← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Blond Knight
Thread ID: 16601 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2005-02-05
2005-02-05 05:36 | User Profile
"Grandpa, tell me once more how bad it was when you lived back in the olden days in the lilly white upper midwest."
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Last update: February 4, 2005 at 10:05 PM 'Bullets were flying' outside the pool hall Matt Mckinney, Jim Adams and David Chanen Star Tribune Published February 5, 2005
Distraught and confused, a Tibetan man struggled Friday night to make sense of shootings that took two of his friends' lives on Thursday in an explosion of violence outside a Columbia Heights pool hall. None of his friends was armed.
The night was like any other at their regular haunt. Things were normal. And then, chaos.
"Bullets were flying everywhere," said Tashi Dorjee, 22, who came upon the aftermath of the shootings outside Jimmy's Pro Billiards moments after it happened. His friends told him how they ran out the front and rear doors of the pool hall as the shooting started.
"They could see the bullets hitting the snow," he said.
Two of his friends were dead moments later.
Both were shot in the back as they fled, according to police. Four more were hit but survived, one of them running for two blocks before he stopped at a house to ask for help.
Investigators now say the shooting may have begun as a mistake: members of a notoriously violent gang apparently thought Dorjee's friends, a group of Tibetans and one Cambodian, were from a rival group.
Six people -- five men and one woman -- were charged in Anoka County District Court Friday with abetting second-degree murder. Five of them are members of the Men of Destruction gang, according to charges.
The gang, also called Master of Destruction, is arguably one of the most violent in the Twin Cities, said Capt. Mike Martin, regional commander of the state's Gang Strike Force.
The gang has been involved in incidents for many years, including several recent shootings and weapons-related cases in Minneapolis, St. Paul and the northern suburbs, he said.
The men who died were identified Friday as Bunsean Lieng, 19, of Minneapolis, and Tashi Sonam Jagottsang, 21, also of Minneapolis.
Dorjee, one of about 1,300 Tibetans living in Minnesota, said his tight-knit community is stunned.
"How can someone kill so brutally?" he asked.
Dorjee said Jagottsang's family has converged at his mother's house in northeast Minneapolis to mourn his death. His mother, keening for most of the day so intensely that she has been passing out, has been asking for her son's body so that she and her family can begin their memorial services, Dorjee said.
Plans for a service have not been made yet, but Dorjeee said that Jagottsang's uncle is a Buddhist monk and will likely oversee a three-day funeral ceremony sometime next week.
Lieng's body was found in the parking ramp behind the pool hall, and Jagottsang's body was lying near a small park on 41st Avenue. They and the four other victims were shot from behind as they fled, the charges said.
The suspects, ages 18 to 24, were in two vehicles that Columbia Heights police stopped as they were fleeing the scene. Police said they found at least two guns, ammunition, a curved knife and a baseball bat in the cars.
Lieng was Cambodian and Jagottsang and the four other victims were Tibetan. Three of the men were shot in the backs of their legs, as they fled into the alley and parking ramp behind Jimmy's, a popular gathering spot near 40th and Central Avs. NE. One of the victims was in critical condition at Hennepin County Medical Center but is expected to live, authorities said.
When their group entered the crowded pool hall at about 9:30 p.m., they were confronted by the Hmong gang members who spoke English, but used "gang speak" to ask what gang the Tibetans were in, said Anoka County Sheriff's Capt. Bob Aldrich.
The Tibetans seemed confused and said they weren't looking for trouble, but one of them called a friend. Soon a carload of Tibetans arrived, boosting their numbers to more than a dozen, Aldrich said.
The group again told the gang members they just wanted to play pool, but that didn't satisfy them, he said. Both groups grabbed pool cues and balls and began fighting, the charges said. Pro Billiards owner Jimmy Wetch told the two groups to leave the pool hall, a hall manager said Friday.
Aldrich said the victims ran out the back door into an alley as the gang members followed, firing at them. Police recovered one semiautomatic handgun.
Aldrich said the state Gang Strike Force is familiar with the six suspects. They were identified as brothers Grogan Yang, 18, and Charles Yang, 20, both of Brooklyn Park, Sai Vang, 19, of Coon Rapids, and Jason Moua, 24, Meng Vang, 24, and Helene Yang, 23, all of Minneapolis.
All but Sia Vang are confirmed members of the gang. Criminal investigators who study gangs said Friday that they've never heard of a Tibetan gang in the Twin Cities.
Martin said there is no reason to believe any of the victims were involved in gang activity.
Aldrich said no other suspects are now being sought. He asked that any witnesses call police if they haven't already been interviewed.
No serious problems have been reported for a few years at Jimmy's, which has no security cameras and doesn't serve alcohol, Aldrich said.
A few doors down Central Avenue, Carmen Knake found blood on the sidewalk outside her hair salon Friday morning.
"I have been here 21 years and never seen anything like this," she said. "I wouldn't move because of it, but it scares you.'
The writers are at [email]mmckinney@startribune.com[/email]. [email]jadams@startribune.com[/email] and [email]dchanen@startribune.com[/email]. é Copyright 2005 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
2005-02-05 05:59 | User Profile
And you thought the old days were bad when the Norwegians and Swedes would start telling nasty jokes about each other.
Don't you just love diversity?
(Actually probably its just the fact that hunting season is over, and the Hmong are getting bored and looking for some more target practice for next year) :lol:
2005-02-05 06:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]And you thought the old days were bad when the Norwegians and Swedes would start telling nasty jokes about each other.
Don't you just love diversity?
(Actually probably its just the fact that hunting season is over, and the Hmong are getting bored and looking for some more target practice for next year) :lol:[/QUOTE] Oh yes, I just celebrate "diversity" every single day. The city of Columbia Heights is really not that far from where I live. Yet, I don't really recall hearing anything about this in the news. I am so tired of this Hmong plague. it is everywhere. They are even infesting some of the more rural areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin. And more and more keep coming here. I was hoping some people would get pissed off after the Hmong hunter incident and take a few of them out, but no such luck.:frown:
2005-02-05 13:18 | User Profile
Hmmm... All those empty container ships heading back to Asia, I'm sure that China Shipping would be glad to have a backhaul. :whstl:
2005-02-05 13:56 | User Profile
I hope that local Whites are at least arming themselves and keeping their eyes open, not being naive or careless with Hmongs anymore.
Petr
2005-02-05 17:18 | User Profile
It is disgusting that the filthy invaders have the chutzpah to participate in their little tribal wars in my country and the authorities seem to tolerate them. There have been some Black drive by shootings in a nearby town lately, but that is inevidable unfortunately. :afro:
2005-02-05 19:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Snouter]It is disgusting that the filthy invaders have the chutzpah to participate in their little tribal wars in my country and the authorities seem to tolerate them. There have been some Black drive by shootings in a nearby town lately, but that is inevidable unfortunately. :afro:[/QUOTE]It is truly sickening that these violent and psychotic muds keep coming here. There are plenty of people(even some who are not neccessarily racially aware) that are getting tired of immigration and immigrants. All they seem to know how to do is collect money from the government(us, of course) and breed like rats. When, in reality, these are the type of people that should not be breeding at all. The last thing we need is more unproductive muds in the world, that we are forced to take care of. And then they have the nerve to think they can act like this.
yes, black drive by shootings and violent crime is inevidable, but when their violence is directed at other niggers that is clearly a positive thing. I love to hear about niggers and other muds killing each other.
2005-02-05 20:31 | User Profile
The gang, also called Master of Destruction, is arguably one of the most violent in the Twin Cities, said Capt. Mike Martin, regional commander of the state's Gang Strike Force.
Yeah, and every one of these gangs is composed of racial minorities.
2005-02-05 21:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Yeah, and every one of these gangs is composed of racial minorities.[/QUOTE] Whatever would make you think that?:tongue:
2005-02-10 03:05 | User Profile
Just a couple of stories from the daily paper in the capital of a once white state in our upper midwest.
[url]http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/10850386.htm[/url]
St. Paul officer pleads guilty in shootings
Wave of violence shook Hmong community
BY SHANNON PRATHER
Pioneer Press
A St. Paul police officer admitted Tuesday in court to lending his department-issued pistol for use in drive-by shootings that targeted Hmong officials. Tou Mo Cha agreed to serve 30 days in the county workhouse and to resign immediately.
Tou Mo Cha, 36, pleaded guilty in Ramsey County District Court to one felony count of terroristic threats. In exchange for his plea, prosecutors agreed to stay, or halt, any prison sentence and to drop charges of felony second-degree assault with a dangerous weapon and criminal property damage.
The plea comes days after Police Chief John Harrington said he would ask the FBI to review statements made during Tou Mo Cha's interrogation that he handed over his weapon because he feared a violent Hmong faction that had the power to bribe City Hall.
Before Ramsey County District Judge Edward Cleary accepted the plea, Tou Mo Cha, an 11-year-veteran of the force, admitted to lending the gun to one of his cousins to "cause fear in another individual."
Prosecutors did not indicate whether they were pursuing additional charges against his cousin but said their investigation is continuing.
Tou Mo Cha was scheduled to stand trial Feb. 14. Police said they had witnesses and ballistic evidence tying the officer to the crime. Shell casings collected from one of two shootings were traced to Tou Mo Cha's .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol.
Ramsey County Attorney Susan Gaertner said the plea deal was not connected to Harrington's decision to call in federal authorities.
"We began serious plea negotiations over a month ago," Gaertner said. "It took a month to reach an agreement largely because some of the initial defense offers were pretty far from what we would accept. ââ¬Â¦
"The bottom line is he pled guilty to a felony and will be sentenced as a felon. That is a very important piece of the negotiation. He will surrender his police license and will not be able to get one again in Minnesota.
Police first suspected Tou Mo Cha when video surveillance of a phone booth showed the officer making a threatening phone call to the Lao Veterans of America last April 26.
Investigators brought Tou Mo Cha in for questioning May 10. During the interrogation, Tou Mo Cha admitted making the call and loaning his gun out twice. He told police he feared for his family's safety and faced intense pressure to align with a violent Hmong political faction capable of bribing City Hall.
The bribery allegations arose, according to Tou Mo Cha, after his cousin suggested that he talk to Cha Vang, the locally prominent son of former Hmong military commander Gen. Vang Pao, about problems with the liquor license for a nightclub Tou Mo Cha's girlfriend owned.
"Cha (Vang) recommended a lawyer to us ââ¬Â¦ and then he said that he was going to go talk to (former City Council Member Jerry) Blakey about our problem here. ââ¬Â¦" Tou Mo Cha told police in May. "He's asking ââ¬Â¦ you guys have ââ¬Â¦ 10, 20 thousand ââ¬Â¦ I can, you know, take this to the higher-level people and they can, you know, make this easier so you can get your club open again."
St. Paul police in May dismissed Tou Mo Cha's statements as not credible but decided to reopen the investigation last week.
Tou Mo Cha and his attorney, Earl Gray, declined to comment as they left the courtroom and headed to the police station, where the officer was to sign his letter of resignation.
The shootings were part of a spate of violence that rocked the Hmong community and included firebombing and arson.
In the first shooting, windows were shot out at several unoccupied businesses, including the Dara Thai restaurant, which is Hmong-owned, in the 700 block of North Milton Street in St. Paul on Nov. 29, 2003. In the second, five bullets were shot into the Maplewood home of Xang Vang, the translator for Vang Pao, on April 20. No one was injured.
Cleary will formally sentence Tou Mo Cha on April 27. Prosecutors said he could face five years' probation and $1,000 restitution
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[url]http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/10853406.htm[/url]
St. Paul mayor says investigation leak is a political attack
BY AMY FORLITI
ASSOCIATED PRESS
ST. PAUL - Mayor Randy Kelly confirmed Tuesday that one of his top political aides is being investigated by the FBI, and he said the story was leaked to the media as part of a political "attack" on the mayor.
Kelly confirmed that the FBI has been investigating Sia Lo, the mayor's adviser on issues involving the Hmong, for about 10 months, although Lo didn't learn he was being investigated until Tuesday morning.
Kelly said the accusation against Lo was "of a serious and grave nature," but he said he could not give details about the allegations. Kelly also refused to name the person he thought was attacking him.
The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported Tuesday that Lo, 38, was under investigation for allegedly demanding a bribe from a businessman who wanted to do a real estate deal with the city. The report was based on two anonymous sources that the newspaper reported had direct knowledge of the investigation.
Kelly said the allegation was "leaked to the press to attack me for political purposes." On Monday, Kelly announced that he would run for a second term.
Kelly said Tuesday he released Lo's name "in order to protect the reputations of the rest of my staff -- to avoid having a cloud of suspicion hanging over their head while people speculate about which of them is under investigation."
A spokesman for the FBI would not comment on the investigation.
The newspaper first reported the investigation Friday based on comments from former police Chief William Finney, who resigned last summer.
When asked Tuesday whether Kelly believed Finney was the one attacking him, Kelly said, "I think people can draw their own conclusions."
A message left at Finney's home was not returned Tuesday.
Kelly said he had no plans to fire Lo and had no reason to believe the accusations were true. The mayor's office is discussing the possibility of a paid administrative leave for Lo, spokesman Carl Kuhl said.
Lo, a former prosecutor, denied the allegation when questioned by the newspaper. "I've never talked to anyone about getting money... anybody can make up anything," he said.
Kelly said Lo did not know he was the target of the investigation when he was interviewed by reporters Monday.
Kelly said that when the case was turned over to the FBI 10 months ago, he was told not to tell Lo that he was under investigation.
Lo took Tuesday off to talk with his family and with an attorney, Kelly said. Lo did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment
2005-02-17 19:46 | User Profile
Hmongs Shoot Tibetians at Minnesota Poolhall
and the downside is ... ? :yawn:
(yeah yeah I know they shouldn't be here in the first place, but at least they're shooting at each other)
2005-02-24 05:50 | User Profile
what a lovely addition to the story this makes. It seems that one of the gook suspects in this pool hall incident got into a shootout with the cops earlier today.
[url="http://www.fox9.com"]www.fox9.com[/url]
[QUOTE] shooting a Ramsey County Sheriff's deputy during a confrontation on
St. Paul's East Side.
Yatau Her, 21, of Fresno, Calif., was in custody at Regions
Hospital on Wednesday night. He was taken to the hospital with
apparent chest pains after he was hit by a St. Paul police squad
car while fleeing from authorities, officials said.
Ramsey County Sheriff's Deputy Chris Tayson, 42, was shot
Wednesday afternoon when he and another deputy confronted Her and
two other suspects while patrolling the city's East Side. Tayson
was in fair condition after surgery and was expected to make a full
recovery, Sheriff Bob Fletcher said.
Her, a member of the MOD gang, which is active in Fresno and the
Twin Cities, was one of two suspects who escaped from the
California Youth Authority on Dec. 29 while he was supposed to be
doing charity work as part of a prison work detail in Sacramento.
Her was serving time for assault with a deadly weapon.
Since his escape, officials believe Her was involved in several
crimes in the Twin Cities and surrounding areas, said Ron Ryan,
commander of the state's Gang Strike Force.
Officials called Her a "person of interest" in a shooting at a
Columbia Heights pool hall earlier this month. Mike Martin, the
metro region commander for the Gang Strike Force, said Her was at
the pool hall, but officials are unsure of his role in the incident
in which two men were killed.
Her was also wanted in a nonfatal shooting in Eau Claire, Wis.,
where he is accused of shooting a female store clerk three times in
the back during a robbery at a grocery store.
U.S. Marshals, local police, sheriff's deputies and the FBI had
been looking for Her over the past couple of weeks, Ryan said.
"We knew he was here, it was just a matter of catching up to
him," Ryan said.
On Wednesday, deputies were helping serve a warrant for Her's
arrest and were looking for a car connected to Her when they
spotted him walking down the street with other men. They confronted
the group, but Her allegedly pulled out a gun and shot Tayson while
trying to escape.
Law enforcement agencies cordoned off several blocks in the area
while searching for the suspects. After a manhunt -- which led
several area schools to be locked down -- all three suspects were in
custody.
Her and another man were at Regions Hospital -- the second
suspect was being treated for a gunshot wound to his abdomen. Their
conditions were not known. The third suspect was in custody in
Ramsey County.
Authorities were still looking for a 1995 red Acura Integra with
Wisconsin plates Wednesday night that might be connected to Her,
said Martin, with the Gang Strike Force.
Officials said the two other suspects in custody were from
Minnesota.
"We expect that he came here to lay low," Ryan said, adding
that gang members "are so mobile that they could be here one day
and across the country the next."
Ryan described MOD as a violent gang involved in gun
trafficking, prostitution and drugs.
Fletcher said the deputies came upon the suspects by "mere
happenstance." He called them "true heroes" for helping
apprehend Her.
At least five schools were locked down during the search.
Melissa McCollor, principal at Nokomis Magnet School, said
students were in the cafeteria having an after-school snack when
they were told to go to their classrooms, where teachers locked
them inside and kept them calm, she said.
"I informed them that there was some dangerous behavior in the
neighborhood and we were keeping them safe and not to worry,"
McCollor told KMSP-TV.
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2005-03-15 23:22 | User Profile
talk ya'll shiet behind a screen!! first of all... white [email="tr@$h"]tr@$h[/email] peoples didn't discover this COUNTRY!! but that alrite... it is a WHITE [email="TR@$H"]TR@$H[/email] world! I would careless if you *ing ban me from this site!!! * YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU!!!! and YOU TOO!!!!!
2005-03-15 23:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr] these are the type of people that should not be breeding at all. The last thing we need is more unproductive muds in the world, that we are forced to take care of. [/QUOTE]
You know ... it's about time the GOP got their honest due at this forum where Saving Whitey's concerned. I'm going to make a post.
2005-03-16 16:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JOHNDUHH]talk ya'll shiet behind a screen!! first of all... white [email="tr@$h"]tr@$h[/email] peoples didn't discover this COUNTRY!! but that alrite... it is a WHITE [email="TR@$H"]TR@$H[/email] world! I would careless if you *ing ban me from this site!!! * YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU!!!! and YOU TOO!!!!![/QUOTE]
...and the cuts to the mental health budget begin to make themselves felt.
2005-03-17 04:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]And you thought the old days were bad when the Norwegians and Swedes would start telling nasty jokes about each other.
Don't you just love diversity?
(Actually probably its just the fact that hunting season is over, and the Hmong are getting bored and looking for some more target practice for next year) :lol:[/QUOTE]Celebrate diversaTAY and say doity woids about Swedes and Noids, ya hoity-toity toids. :thumbsup:
2005-03-17 12:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JOHNDUHH]talk ya'll shiet behind a screen!! first of all... white [email="tr@$h"]tr@$h[/email] peoples didn't discover this COUNTRY!! but that alrite... it is a WHITE [email="TR@$H"]TR@$H[/email] world! I would careless if you *ing ban me from this site!!! * YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU!!!! and YOU TOO!!!!![/QUOTE] Temper, temper, now! :wallbash:
2005-03-17 23:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JOHNDUHH]talk ya'll shiet behind a screen!! first of all... white [email="tr@$h"]tr@$h[/email] peoples didn't discover this COUNTRY!! but that alrite... it is a WHITE [email="TR@$H"]TR@$H[/email] world! I would careless if you *ing ban me from this site!!! YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU!!!! and YOU TOO!!!!![/QUOTE] Ah, so this is why the rest of the Southeast Asians view the Hmongs as their version of our "nggers"