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Thread ID: 16593 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2005-02-04
2005-02-04 22:02 | User Profile
Praying is futile because there is no God. Instead, get Mr. Francis to a good cardiologist.
========================== [COLOR=Red]NOTE: This thread was split from this [url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16589]one.[/url] The above comment appeared before Braun's there. -S[/COLOR]
2005-02-04 22:03 | User Profile
You're as tact as always, you dumb brat.
Petr
2005-02-04 22:50 | User Profile
If God exists, he knew beforehand that Mr. Francis was going to suffer a heart attack at precisely the second that he did. Therefore, why didn't God [u]prevent[/u] Mr. Francis from having that heart attack [u]in the first place[/u]? Certainly, He could have, could He have not? So, it's illogical and irrational to expect God to "help" Mr. Francis after the fact, is it not?
For the record, I greatly admire Mr. Francis and his views, but if he survives "God" will have had absolutely [u]nothing[/u] to do with it.
2005-02-04 22:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel].....yada yada [/QUOTE]With all due respect General Rommel, you can go to Hell.:furious::furious::furious:
And if being an atheist you aren't sure how to find it, I suspect there will be more than a few who will be happy to help you get there if you keep it up.
2005-02-04 22:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]If God exists, he knew beforehand that Mr. Francis was going to suffer a heart attack at precisely the second that he did. Therefore, why didn't God [u]prevent[/u] Mr. Francis from having that heart attack [u]in the first place[/u]? Certainly, He could have, could He have not? So, it's illogical and irrational to expect God to "help" Mr. Francis after the fact, is it not?
Don't start a bunch of crap about this. I know I can speak for most of us and tell you it isn't appreciated.
For the record, I greatly admire Mr. Francis and his views, but if he survives "God" will have had absolutely [u]nothing[/u] to do with it.[/QUOTE]
Good. Now if you can't write something positive then don't write anything at all.
2005-02-04 23:10 | User Profile
People bringing up "God" is offensive to me. So, are you saying that I have to sit back in silence and let others blather about that nauseating mumbo-jumbo? If so, then clearly state: "This forum is for Jesus lovers only. If you don't believe in Jesus, shut your mouth or be banned."
In other words, make it clear that you're censoring non-Christians on this forum. Just come out and say so. In fact, you should. That's because no Christian would stand a chance on this forum trying to defend their irrational beliefs, and they know it. So, just come out and say: Jesus believers can say what they want - non believers shut up.
2005-02-04 23:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]People bringing up "God" is offensive to me. So, are you saying that I have to sit back in silence and let others blather about that nauseating mumbo-jumbo? If so, then clearly state: "This forum is for Jesus lovers only. If you don't believe in Jesus, shut your mouth or be banned."[/QUOTE]
Listen, you jerk. Christ has nothing to do with it. The only thing you are doing is pissing people off. Here's an idea for you to ponder. Just stay off this thread.
In other words, make it clear that you're censoring non-Christians on this forum. Just come out and say so. In fact, you should. That's because no Christian would stand a chance on this forum trying to defend their irrational beliefs, and they know it. So, just come out and say: Jesus believers can say what they want - non believers shut up.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's it. I'm telling someone who is making an ass out of himself to put a cork in it. Consider this to be fair warning.
[COLOR=Red]Buster below has it right. You have a complaint about Christianity? Take it there. BTW, I happen to be a deist, so your whining has no validity with me.[/COLOR]
2005-02-04 23:30 | User Profile
Rommel:
There is a forum on religion (or specifically Christianty) which I'm sure will take your points as they come. There is a time and place for everthing and a sense a decorum is called for when a man may be seriously ill.
I have never encountered any belief system that did not entail anomalies, mysteries, contradictions, paradoxes, etc. You don't get away from them by choosing one or the other, or rejecting them all. Christianity is a religion which indeed accepts, embraces and celebrates mysteries (the Joyful, Sorrowful and Glorious).
If you invest more time approaching these matters using history and prophecy, you might find it more constructive. I recommend C.S. Lewis (d. 1963), English scholar and one-time atheist.
2005-02-04 23:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]People bringing up "God" is offensive to me. So, are you saying that I have to sit back in silence and let others blather about that nauseating mumbo-jumbo? If so, then clearly state: "This forum is for Jesus lovers only. If you don't believe in Jesus, shut your mouth or be banned."
In other words, make it clear that you're censoring non-Christians on this forum. Just come out and say so. In fact, you should. That's because no Christian would stand a chance on this forum trying to defend their irrational beliefs, and they know it. So, just come out and say: Jesus believers can say what they want - non believers shut up.[/QUOTE]No, I'll let you rant all you want to. Just stay off the Sam Francis thread. This is a serious matter. Clowns like you just show what sort of degenerate sub-humans some atheists can reveal themselves as in times of serious human events (at least serious to everyone but themselves).
2005-02-04 23:52 | User Profile
Ban him.
2005-02-05 09:37 | User Profile
Good news for you, Rummel!
The "Phora" has reopened.
[url]http://apex.pilotservers.com/%7Elethal/forum/index.php?[/url]
2005-02-05 12:07 | User Profile
I can hardly be characterized as a Believer, but there is a time and a place for everything.
People who pat themselves on the back for pointing out there's no empirical evidence of an afterlife - at a [I]wake [/I] - aren't [I]dangerous, cutting edge thinkers[/I].....they're boorish, braying clods. Likewise, the simplest dictates of common sense should tell you that, for most of the regulars on this forum, this is like getting punched in the gut. Like hearing bad news about a family member.
How some purported adults can be so self-obsessed as to not get something so self-evident amazes me.
2005-02-05 13:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Ban him.[/QUOTE]
Ditto.
2005-02-05 14:02 | User Profile
[B][I] - "How some purported adults can be so self-obsessed as to not get something so self-evident amazes me."[/I][/B]
What makes you think that "General Rommel" is an adult?
Petr
2005-02-05 15:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]I can hardly be characterized as a Believer, but there is a time and a place for everything.
People who pat themselves on the back for pointing out there's no empirical evidence of an afterlife - at a [I]wake [/I] - aren't [I]dangerous, cutting edge thinkers[/I].....they're boorish, braying clods. Likewise, the simplest dictates of common sense should tell you that, for most of the regulars on this forum, this is like getting punched in the gut. Like hearing bad news about a family member.
How some purported adults can be so self-obsessed as to not get something so self-evident amazes me.[/QUOTE]
Urbane and wise. On target, Spidey...
May prayers from all traditions aid the valiant Sam.
2005-02-08 20:31 | User Profile
..........
2005-02-08 20:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=ErikD]Though I agree with Il Ragno that the timing wasn't the most opportune... General Rommel is, however, entirely correct... there is no Santa Claus.
Sorry kids.[/QUOTE]Are you sure Erik?
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=99864&postcount=17[/url]
Although I'll admit, he doesn't look too jolly. :lol:
2005-02-16 18:46 | User Profile
[color=darkred]Quotes from a previous thread:[/color] [QUOTE] Xmetalhead: "Let us [color=red]pray[/color] for Sam's recovery."[/QUOTE][QUOTE] Okiereddust: "Like they say, let's all be [color=red]praying[/color]." [/QUOTE][QUOTE] Thomas777: "I will keep Sam Francis[color=black] and[/color] his family in my [color=red]prayers[/color]." [/QUOTE][QUOTE] Texasdissident: "Our [color=red]prayers[/color] for a quick recovery." [/QUOTE][QUOTE] Intrepid: "My [color=red]prayers [/color]go out for Mr. Francis..." [/QUOTE][QUOTE] KevinOKeefe: "Otherwise, let us [color=red]pray[/color]..." [/QUOTE][color=navy]Your prayers didn't work. Therefore:[/color]
[color=navy]A: God doesn't exist.[/color] [color=navy]B: He does exist, but doesn't care.[/color]
[color=#000080]Summation: Christianity, and those who believe in it, are major contributors to the destruction of white civilization. That's why I find it so ironic that the very people who beseech their "God" to save the life of Sam Francis follow a religion that opposes everything that Mr. Francis stood for. Sam Francis stood for a white America - Christians rejoice in a multi-racial America. [/color]
2005-02-16 19:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Your prayers didn't work. Therefore:
A: God doesn't exist. B: He does exist, but doesn't care.
Summation: Christianity, and those who believe in it, are major contributors to the destruction of white civilization. That's why I find it so ironic that the very people who beseech their "God" to save the life of Sam Francis follow a religion that opposes everything that Mr. Francis stood for. [/QUOTE]
It takes a peculiar sort of acne-scarred idiot to confuse [I]an expression of sincere concern[/I] for [I]a fatal flaw in a military stategy[/I].
Remember these "nuclear thoughts" when you're attending your mother or father's funeral one day. I'm sure your diamond-tipped pragmatism will comfort you greatly.
2005-02-16 19:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel][color=darkred]Quotes from a previous thread:[/color]
Quote: Xmetalhead: "Let us pray for Sam's recovery."
Quote: Okiereddust: "Like they say, let's all be praying."
Quote: Thomas777: "I will keep Sam Francis and his family in my prayers."
Quote: Texasdissident: "Our prayers for a quick recovery."
Quote: Intrepid: "My prayers go out for Mr. Francis..."
Quote: KevinOKeefe: "Otherwise, let us pray..."
[color=navy]Your prayers didn't work. Therefore:[/color]
[color=navy]A: God doesn't exist.[/color] [color=navy]B: He does exist, but doesn't care.[/color]
[color=#000080]Summation: Christianity, and those who believe in it, are major contributors to the destruction of white civilization. That's why I find it so ironic that the very people who beseech their "God" to save the life of Sam Francis follow a religion that opposes everything that Mr. Francis stood for. Sam Francis stood for a white America - Christians rejoice in a multi-racial America. [/color][/QUOTE]
Rommel, low blow there, man. Why here now? We're mourning the loss of a great and noble man. C'mon dude, start another thread if you want to debate the effects of Christian prayer.
2005-02-16 19:20 | User Profile
[quote=xmetalhead]Rommel, low blow there, man. Why here now? We're mourning the loss of a great and noble man. C'mon dude, start another thread if you want to debate the effects of Christian prayer. The same reason he thought it was terribly clever to do the same in the original thread regarding Francis' poor health. Simply, Rommel is an immature boor with no sense of propriety or manners.
[QUOTE=General Rommel][color=darkred]Quotes from a previous thread:[/color] [color=navy]Your prayers didn't work. Therefore:[/color]
[color=navy]A: God doesn't exist.[/color] [color=navy]B: He does exist, but doesn't care.[/color]
[color=#000080]Summation: Christianity, and those who believe in it, are major contributors to the destruction of white civilization. That's why I find it so ironic that the very people who beseech their "God" to save the life of Sam Francis follow a religion that opposes everything that Mr. Francis stood for. Sam Francis stood for a white America - Christians rejoice in a multi-racial America. [/color][/QUOTE] Rommel, everyone dies. That is the way things are. The fact that someone died, despite loved ones devoutly wishing that he wouldn't, is hardly some sort of refutation of either Christianity or theism in general. You present these lame little syllogisms straight out of the My First Atheism Coloring Book, and then sit back as if you had dropped a theological bombshell. If you want to demonstrate your ignorance, at least do it on a thread where it isn't wildly inappropriate.
2005-02-16 23:07 | User Profile
XM,
I'll tell you why, He is a first rate jerk.
2005-02-16 23:09 | User Profile
As for you, "R", there may very well not be a God, but there is a Cyber-Hell and I have just sent you to it. You won't be missed.
2005-05-29 05:57 | User Profile
I'm glad you booted that bum, Sertorius.. talk about no class, he had it. Not as heinous, but also odiferous was that if you look at a former post, this " General Rommel " claimed to be Harold Covington, a relatively famous author and activist in WN / Pacific Northwest Homeland. The guy must be a real freak, stewed in jelousy and bitterness of his own shortcomings.. let us " pray " for him to see the light someday amongst his wretched troddlings..
2005-05-29 06:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel][color=#000080]Summation: Christianity, and those who believe in it, are major contributors to the destruction of white civilization. [/color][/QUOTE]So it seems:
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| *Annual Message for World Migration Day 1996 given July 25, 1995* Dear Brothers and Sisters,
1. The phenomenon of migration with its complex problems challenges the international community and individual States today more than ever. The latter generally tend to intervene by tightening migration laws and reinforcing border control systems.
Thus migration loses that dimension of economic, social and cultural development which it had in the past. In fact, there is less and less talk of the situation of "emigrants" in their countries of origin, and more and more of "immigrants", with respect to the problems they create in the countries where they settle.
Migration is assuming the features of a social emergency, above all because of the increase in illegal migrants which, despite the current restrictions, it seems impossible to halt.
Illegal immigration has always existed: it has frequently been tolerated because it promotes a reserve of personnel to draw on as legal migrants gradually move up the social ladder and find stable employment.
2. Today the phenomenon of illegal migrants has assumed considerable proportions, both because the supply of foreign labor is becoming excessive in comparison to the needs of the economy, which already has difficulty in absorbing its domestic workers, and because of the spread of forced migration. The necessary prudence required to deal with so delicate a matter cannot become one of reticence or exclusivity, because thousands would suffer the consequences as victims of situations that seem destined to deteriorate instead of being resolved. His irregular legal status cannot allow the migrant to lose his dignity, since he is endowed with inalienable rights, which can neither be violated nor ignored.
Illegal immigration should be prevented, but it is also essential to combat vigorously the criminal activities which exploit illegal immigrants. The most appropriate choice, which will yield consistent and long-lasting results is that of international cooperation which aims to foster political stability and to eliminate underdevelopment. The present economic and social imbalance, which to a large extent encourages the migratory flow, should not be seen as something inevitable, but as a challenge to the human race's sense of responsibility.
3. The Church considers the problem of illegal migrants from the standpoint of Christ, who died to gather together the dispersed children of God (cf. Jn 11:52), to rehabilitate the marginalized and to bring close those who are distant; in order to integrate all within a communion that is not based on ethnic, cultural or social membership, but on the common justice. "God shows no partiality, but in every nation one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him" (Acts 10:34-35).
The Church acts in continuity with Christ's mission. In particular, she asks herself how to meet the needs, while respecting the law, of those persons who are not allowed to remain in a national territory. She also asks what the right to emigrate is worth without the corresponding right to immigrate.
She tackles the problem of how to involve in this work of solidarity those Christian communities frequently infected by a public opinion that is often hostile to immigrants.
The first way to help these people is to listen to them in order to become acquainted with their situation, and, whatever their legal status with regard to State law, to provide them with the necessary means of subsistence.
Thus it is important to help illegal migrants to complete the necessary administrative papers to obtain a residence permit.
Social and charitable institutions can make contact with the authorities in order to seek appropriate, lawful solutions to various cases. This kind of effort should be made especially on behalf of those who, after a long stay, are so deeply rooted in the local society that returning to their country of origin would be tantamount to a form of reverse emigration, with serious consequences particularly for the children.
4. When no solution is foreseen, these same institutions should direct those they are helping, perhaps also providing them with material assistance, either to seek acceptance in other countries, or to return to their own country.
In the search for a solution to the problem of migration in general and illegal migrants in particular, the attitude of the host society has an important role to play. In this perspective, it is very important that public opinion be properly informed about the true situation in the migrants' country of origin, about the tragedies involving them and the possible risks of returning. The poverty and misfortune with which immigrants are stricken are yet another reason for coming generously to their aid.
It is necessary to guard against the rise of new forms of racism or xenophobic behavior, which attempt to make these brothers and sisters of ours scapegoats for what may be difficult local situations.
Due to the considerable proportions reached by the illegal migrant phenomenon, legislation in all the countries involved should be brought into harmony, also for a more equitable distribution of the burdens of a balanced solution. It is necessary to avoid recourse to the use of administrative regulations, meant to restrict the criterion of family membership, which result in unjustifiably forcing into an illegal situation people whose right to live with their family cannot be denied by any law.
Adequate protection should be guaranteed to those who, although they have fled from their countries for reasons unforeseen by international conventions, could indeed be seriously risking their life were they obliged to return to their homeland.
5. I urge the particular Churches to encourage reflection, to issue directives and to provide information to help pastoral and social workers to act with discernment in so delicate and complex a matter.
When an understanding of the problem is conditioned by prejudice and xenophobic attitudes, the Church must not fail to speak up for brotherhood and to accompany it with acts testifying to the primacy of charity.
The prominence assumed by the welfare aspects of their precarious situation should not mean that less attention is paid to the fact that there are often Catholic Christians among the illegal migrants who, in the name of the same faith, often seek pastors of souls and places where they can pray, listen to God's word and celebrate the Lord's mysteries. Dioceses have the duty to meet these needs.
In the Church no one is a stranger, and the Church is not foreign to anyone, anywhere. As a sacrament of unity and thus a sign and a binding force for the whole human race, the Church is the place where illegal immigrants are also recognized and accepted as brothers and sisters. It is the task of the various Dioceses actively to ensure that these people, who are obliged to live outside the safety net of civil society, may find a sense of brotherhood in the Christian community.
Solidarity means taking responsibility for those in trouble. For Christians, the migrant is not merely an individual to be respected in accordance with the norms established by law, but a person whose presence challenges them and whose needs become an obligation for their responsibility. "What have you done to your brother?" (Cf. Gen 4:9). The answer should not be limited to what is imposed by law, but should be made in the manner of solidarity.
6. Man, particularly if he is weak, defenseless, driven to the margins of society, is a sacrament of Christ's presence (cf. Mt 25:40, 45). "But this crowd, who do not know the law, are accursed" (Jn 7:49), was how the Pharisees judged those whom Jesus had helped even beyond the limits established by their precepts. Indeed, he came to seek and to save the lost (cf. Lk 19:10), to bring back the excluded, the abandoned, those rejected by society.
"I was a stranger and you welcomed me" (Mt 25:35). It is the Church's task not only to present constantly the Lord's teaching of faith, but also to indicate its appropriate application to the various situations which the changing times continue to create. Today the illegal migrant comes before us like that "stranger" in whom Jesus asks to be recognized. To welcome him and to show him solidarity is a duty of hospitality and fidelity to Christian identity itself.
With these wishes, I impart my Apostolic Blessing as a pledge of abundant heavenly rewards to all those who are involved in the field of migration.
From the Vatican, 25 July 1995, the seventeenth year of my Pontificate.
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2005-05-29 08:58 | User Profile
[COLOR=DarkRed][B][I] - "So it seems"[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Shut up already. Genuine Christianity (not the ecumenical PC-schlock) [B]created[/B] the Western civilization.
(Yes, Western and not "White" civilization - do you consider people like Chechens to be members of "White civilization"?)
Petr
2005-05-29 09:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=DarkRed][B][I] - "So it seems"[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Shut up already. Genuine Christianity (not the ecumenical PC-schlock) [B]created[/B] the Western civilization.
(Yes, Western and not "White" civilization - do you consider people like Chechens to be members of "White civilization"?)
Petr[/QUOTE]Western civilization would have been created even if Christianity had never existed, just as the ancient Romans and the Greeks needed no help from Christianity to create their societies. What Christianity did, for better or worse, was impart a certain character to Western civilization as the latter evolved.
2005-05-29 11:13 | User Profile
[COLOR=Blue][B][I] - "Western civilization would have been created even if Christianity had never existed, just as the ancient Romans and the Greeks needed no help from Christianity to create their societies."[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Islam and other Asians would have overrun Europe without Christianity, after pagan Greeks and Romans would have aborted themselves out of existence - gee, doesn't that kind of remind you of modern times?
Petr
2005-05-30 12:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr] Shut up already. [/QUOTE]Tsk, tsk. Don't like the truth about your mud religion?:
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2005-05-30 15:19 | User Profile
Christianity has had very little influence on the thinking of the elites that run this civilization since around 1880. A lot of church leaders have set themselves up as whores for the regime, so what? Why should any other institution be immune from political and cultural influences? Sure, sometimes Christian doctrine is bent and twisted to serve the Jewish/Masonic elite. The NWO would bend and twist ANYTHING to get what they want.
Gentlemen like "Stigmata" and his Christian-hating friends are riding a hobbyhorse. They are relying on a simplistic theory which is based on a rather bigoted and emotionalistic hatred of Christians.
2005-05-30 16:18 | User Profile
I posted here on a board about Sam Francis, and about the suspended member " General Rommel " / but as always, this Stigmata dolt keep posting his anti-Catholic junk all over OD, he/she ruins the flow of the threads. I guess that's his only desire. I wish Ok would ban him/her. People like "Stigmata" have no class. He doesn't care about interrupting the flow of threads with long, unrelated junk, and won't stop unless forced to. If his activities keep up and do not change, I think we should group up and get him suspended from OD. He's nothing but a one-trick pony with a Copy and Paste fetish to bash Christianity and disturb the flow of everyone's other subjects. Anyone else agree ?
2005-05-30 18:00 | User Profile
Exelsis_Deo,
Losing that guy is no great loss. As for Stigmata, well, when he posts things that are completely off topic they will be removed, as in the case of a post that had nothing to do with Memorial Day. Methinks he would do well as to take all those posts about child molesting, third world immigrant loving ministers and place them on one thread.
2005-05-30 18:46 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "Don't like the truth about your mud religion?:"[/B][/I][/COLOR]
First of, I'm not Roman Catholic so majority of your posts do not deal with me anyways.
You could, by the way, try and prove that inhabitants of Palestine in the 1st century AD were in any way "muds" (as you barbarously refer to non-Whites).
Petr
2005-05-30 19:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Exelsis_Deo,
Losing that guy is no great loss. As for Stigmata, well, when he posts things that are completely off topic they will be removed, as in the case of a post that had nothing to do with Memorial Day. Methinks he would do well as to take all those posts about child molesting, third world immigrant loving ministers and place them on one thread.[/QUOTE]
Does that mean any thread remotely having to do with religion is fair game for his disruptive thread-killing ? What about the California Minutemen thread or the new Marx thread started by Walter ? Both of which " Stigmata " drooped his loaf on. Or even this one. All non-related. Methinks this crankster will copy and paste wherever he wants, that's his plan, to kill threads, and I will continue to respond, so will others, so therefore we all must accomodate/suffer through him ? Note to " Stigmata " - sexual charges against Catholic priests is at a rate less than 2 % of the American clergy, and less than 1 % across the globe. I bet if you took the Odinists, National Socialists who are atheists or some other Whites-Only religion like WCOC you would have a higher rate than that, and that's without the celibacy rule !!