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Thread ID: 16497 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2005-01-30
2005-01-30 04:35 | User Profile
40,000 Muhammudan "Wetbacks" in the United States!
[QUOTE]US Latinas seek answers in Islam
It surprises many of their friends and family, but some young US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect. By Christine Armario | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor
UNION CITY, N.J. ââ¬â Jasmine Pinet sits on the steps outside a mosque here, tucking in strands of her burgundy hair beneath a white head scarf, and explaining why she, a young Latina, feels that she has found greater respect as a woman by converting to Islam.
"They're not gonna say, 'Hey mami, how are you?' " Ms. Pinet says of Muslim men. "Usually they say, 'Hello, sister.' And they don't look at you like a sex object."
While some Latinas her age try to emulate the tight clothes and wiggling hips of stars like Jennifer Lopez and Christina Aguilera, Ms. Pinet and others are adopting a more conservative lifestyle and converting to Islam. At this Union City, N.J., mosque, women account for more than half of the Latino Muslims who attend services here. Nationwide, there are about 40,000 Latino Muslims in the United States, according to the Islamic Society of North America.
Many of the Latina converts say that their belief that women are treated better in Islam was a significant factor in converting. Critics may protest that wearing the veil marks a woman as property, but some Latina converts say they welcome the fact that they are no longer whistled at walking down a street. "People have an innate response that I'm a religious person, and they give [me] more respect," says Jenny Yanez, another Latina Muslim. "You're not judged if you're in fashion or out of fashion."
Other Latina Muslims say they also like the religion's emphasis on fidelity to one's spouse and family.
But for many family members and friends, these conversions come as a surprise - often an unwelcome one. They may know little of Islam other than what they have heard of the Taliban and other extremist groups.
That creates an inaccurate image, insists Leila Ahmed, a professor of women's studies and religion at Harvard University. "It astounds me, the extent to which people think Afghanistan and the Taliban represent women and Islam." What's really going on, she says, is a reshaping of the relationship between women and Islam. "We're in the early stages of a major rethinking of Islam that will open Islam for women. [Muslim scholars] are rereading the core texts of Islam - from the Koran to legal texts - in every possible way."
New views of women and Islam may be more prevalent in countries like the US, where women read the Koran themselves and rely less on patriarchal interpretations.
"I think the women here are asserting more their rights and their privileges," says Zahid Bukhari, director of the American-Muslim Studies Program at George- town University. "
Some Latina Muslims say they harbored stereotypes about Muslim women before deciding to convert, but changed their minds once becoming close friends with a Muslim.
"I always thought, geez, I feel sorry for women who have to wear those veils," says Pinet. Then she met her Muslim boyfriend and began studying the Koran with a group of Muslim women. She says she was impressed with the respect they received.
"A women is respected because she is the mother, she takes care of the children, and she's the one that enforces the rules," Pinet says. "They're the ones who are sacred."
Critics of the decisions of Latinas to convert to Islam say they are adopting a religion just as patriarchical as the Roman Catholic faith that many are leaving behind.
"While it's true the Latino culture tends to be more male-dominated, and there's a tendency toward more machismo, I would venture to say it exists [in Islam] as well," says Edwin Hernandez, director of the Center for the Study of Latino Religion at the University of Notre Dame.
Latinos account for six percent of the 20,000 Muslim conversions in the United States each year, according to a report published by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Anecdotal evidence suggests this number may be rising. But that doesn't mean it's getting any easier for the women who make this choice.
"At first it was anger and then more like sadness," Nylka Vargas says of her parents' reaction when she told them she was converting to Islam and began dressing more conservatively. "They would sometimes feel strange being around me."
Pinet's family has been more accepting, but she too has encountered some resistance in her community. It's as if you've betrayed your own kind," she says.
For some, the cultural differences are the most trying.
"I can't eat pork, I can't wear [form- fitting] clothing, I can't dance in the clubs, I'm not gonna attend church," says Ms. Yanez, who is of Cuban and Spanish descent. "But I keep my language, and there's still things that we do as Latinos that they don't have to change."
Within the Islamic community, Latina Muslims report being warmly received, although language barriers sometimes exist for Latinas who only speak Spanish. There are few Spanish services at mosques and a limited number of Islamic texts in Spanish.
Grassroots organizations specifically for Latino Muslims have been created in recent years. They function in part as an informational resource for new converts and but also as a support group for those who encounter difficulties at home.
Ultimately, Latina Muslims say that time heals the divisions and angst their conversion sometimes causes among friends and family.
"What I had to learn was patience," says Vargas, whose family came to accept her religious beliefs after several years. "Sometimes things are not as we want them."
[url]http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1227/p11s02-ussc.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
Also see:
Muhammad Emin Lopez! Muhammadanism growing in Mexico! [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16426[/url]
2005-01-30 09:41 | User Profile
I guess to many Latrinos, Islam is a step up from the pratices of their Aztec and Mayan predecessors, though one wonders if during a Jihad unbelievers will nevertheless have their hearts ripped out and be tossed down the steps of a pyramid...
2005-01-30 11:14 | User Profile
Islam is [B]a mediocre religion for mediocre people [/B] - it doesn't require too much from its followers, certainly not too much mental effort!
[COLOR=DarkRed][I][B] - "Nationwide, there are about 40,000 Latino Muslims in the United States, [U]according to the Islamic Society of North America[/U]."[/B][/I]
[I][B]- "Latinos account for six percent of the 20,000 Muslim conversions in the United States each year, [U]according to a report published by the Council on American-Islamic Relations[/U]."[/B][/I][/COLOR]
The Christian Science Monitor seems to be uncritically repeating Muslim propaganda here - Islamic missionaries are [I]notorious[/I] for wildly exaggerating their successes, so if you want reliable information about the number of converts, you don't just walk to CAIR and take their word for it!
[COLOR=Red]"[B]Two new studies have found that Muslims in America may number no more than 2.8 million, less than half the population figure commonly cited by the media and many Islamic organizations.[/B]"[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.copts.net/detail.asp?id=204[/url]
And they always trot out this line of Islam "honoring the women"! In any healthy society, this claim would be laughed out of court, but the sickly hedonistic modern West can sometimes make even Islam look good in this regard, which is a crying shame.
[COLOR=Blue]"It is well known by criminal pathologists, every pervert that sexually offended society, first developed a very low view of women. Muhammed was no exception. Again, we will quote Muhammed in the Hadith and Koran, then we will contrast and answer him from the Bible prophets, with the emphasize on the personal lives of the prophets.
[B]Al-Hadis, Vol. 3, p. 137, Abu Sayeed al-Khodri reported that Muhammed was talking to a group of women when he said, "... I see the majority of you will go to Hell." The women asked why, to which Muhammed responded, "You often curse and are ungrateful to your companions." He then told them they had a basic defect in their religion, to which they responded, "How?" Muhammed answered, "Is not the attestation [/B] (knowledge and witness) [B]of a women only worth half of a man's? And that is on account of her short intelligence." Attested by agreement [/COLOR] [/B]
[COLOR=Blue]...
[U]Let us not hear this rubbish about women in Islam being treated well. [/U] Islamic women are giant walking vaginas according to Muhammed. They carry ALL the responsibility for holiness in Islam. And, they are killed by the self-righteous men if they are sexually violated, while their paramour goes on to do it again. SICK!" [/COLOR]
[url]http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/page20.htm[/url]
Petr
2005-01-30 11:51 | User Profile
Well so much for Mexicans being "good Catleeks". Sadly I know that many lemmings will just say that this conversion to Islam adds to 'diversity'.
2005-01-30 12:44 | User Profile
From a Latino with blond hair and green eyes........... I feel that you guys would feel more confortable by becoming Jews and banging your heads againsts a "holy" wall.
Or maybe you would like to beat up the Latinos and kill them and then steal their homes like the Jews with the Palestinians?
You guys are looking at the wrong direction when you talk about the Latinos and are becoming another tool for the Jews, don't fall for that.
What the Jews are doing on this board is called misdirection they are making you look to the right while they crawl up you a*s on the left.
2005-01-30 12:50 | User Profile
Gee, you sure are feeling the Mussulman's pain, Ponce. Perhaps you cannot comprehend that one can be anti-Judaic and anti-Islamic at the same time?
And does the opposition towards the Hispanic invasion of America [B]itself [/B] mean "becoming a tool of Jews", huh?
Petr
2005-01-31 06:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]You guys are looking at the wrong direction when you talk about the Latinos and are becoming another tool for the Jews, don't fall for that.
What the Jews are doing on this board is called misdirection they are making you look to the right while they crawl up you a*s on the left.[/QUOTE]
Luckily I posted specifically about Mexicans and didn't mention Latin peoples (the only true ones being Iberians and Italians of Occidental Origination IMO, not mongrels from South America).
By accepting the tenets of multi-cunt-uralism the Wetbacks from Mexico are taking pages directly from the jewish supremacists playbook and need to be driven back to the desert wastelands from whence they came. Heck I bet jewish supremacists fund many of the La Raza groups just like the fund the NAACP.
2005-02-01 01:55 | User Profile
Ponce, you make quite a riduclous leap in classifying people who comment on the L'Teeno or Latrinos of whatever the hell the are called invading from the Mexican border as being the pawns of Jews.
Not only are the invaders from Mexico a huge problem with their gangs, crime, pollution, and huge direct cost to American taxpayers, but now there is the threat that they will convert to the religion of terrorism. This is something rational people should be concerned about. It is irrational to make insane claims that the Jews are responsible.
2005-02-01 02:22 | User Profile
I never said that I was for the Invasion of the US from Mexico, as a matter of fact I would place them in labor camps for 3,6,9 months or one year according to how many times they were cought.
Why waste good free labor? America is to kind and stupid when dealing with them, from the Latino Ponce lol.
While we are getting many Mexicans that are looking for a better way of life we are also getting in a lot of garbage.
Snouter? all I said was that the Jews keep on talking about the invading army coming in from the south in order to distract you from what they themselves are doing (the Jews).
2005-02-01 09:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Snouter]Ponce, you make quite a riduclous leap in classifying people who comment on the L'Teeno or Latrinos of whatever the hell the are called invading from the Mexican border as being the pawns of Jews.
Not only are the invaders from Mexico a huge problem with their gangs, crime, pollution, and huge direct cost to American taxpayers, but now there is the threat that they will convert to the religion of terrorism. This is something rational people should be concerned about. It is irrational to make insane claims that the Jews are responsible.[/QUOTE] The kike is directly responsible for ALL immigration policies since the 1960s. Behind EVERY destructive bill that was passed is a yid, so....they ARE responsible. Without the jew in the white man's business, we would be free from the invading NON-WHTE hoards and free from hate speech legislation designed specifically to deter any white man protesting to loudly.
2005-02-01 13:45 | User Profile
10-4 on that jbw...I agree one hundred percent!
By the the way welcome to this forum.
vytis
2005-02-01 17:49 | User Profile
I would love to say or blame the Jews for the invasion from the South but the only thing that I can say about this is that the US government is controlled by the Jews and they haven't done anything about the situation.
2005-02-03 00:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]10-4 on that jbw...I agree one hundred percent!
By the the way welcome to this forum.
vytis[/QUOTE] Thank you and glad to be here.