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Thread ID: 16493 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2005-01-29
2005-01-29 20:38 | User Profile
Leon Trotsky (whose real name was Lev Davidovich Bronstein, 1879-1940, the son of wealthy Jewish parents), was exiled from Russia because of his part in the aborted revolution in 1905 and was a reporter for Novy Mir, a communist paper in New York, from 1916-17. He had an expensive apartment and traveled around town in a chauffeur-driven limousine. He sometimes stayed at the Krupp mansion, and had been seen going in and out of Schiff's New York mansion.
Leon Trotsky was given $20 million in Jacob Schiff gold to help finance the revolution, which was deposited in a Warburg bank, then transferred to the Nya Banken (Nye Bank) in Stockholm, Sweden. According to the Knickerbocker Column in the New York Journal American on February 3, 1949:
"Today it is estimated by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."
Leon Trotsky left New York aboard the S. S. Kristianiafjord (S. S. Christiania), which had been chartered by Schiff and Warburg, on March 27, 1917 [along] with communist revolutionaries. At Halifax, Nova Scotia on April 3rd, the first port they docked at, the Canadians under orders from the British Admiralty seized Trotsky and his men, taking them to the prison at Amherst, and impounding his gold.
Official records, later declassified by the Canadian government, indicate that they knew Trotsky and his small army were "...Socialists leaving for the purposes of starting revolution against [the] present Russian government..." The Canadians were concerned that if Lenin took over Russia, he would sign a Peace Treaty and stop the fighting between Russia and Germany, so that the Germany Army could be diverted to possibly mount an offensive against the United States and Canada.
The British government (through intelligence officer Sir William Wiseman, who later became a partner with Kuhn, Loeb and Co.), and the American government (through Col. House) urged them to let Trotsky go. Wilson said that if they didn't comply, the U.S. wouldn't enter the War. Trotsky was released, given an American passport, a British transport visa, and a Russian entry permit. It is obvious that Wilson knew what was going on, because accompanying Trotsky, was Charles Crane of the Westinghouse Company, who was the Chairman of the Democratic Finance Committee. The U.S. entered the war on April 6th, [1917]. Trotsky arrived in Petrograd on May 17.
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2005-01-30 02:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Leon Trotsky (whose real name was Lev Davidovich Bronstein, 1879-1940, the son of wealthy Jewish parents), was exiled from Russia because of his part in the aborted revolution in 1905 and was a reporter for Novy Mir, a communist paper in New York, from 1916-17. He had an expensive apartment and traveled around town in a chauffeur-driven limousine. He sometimes stayed at the Krupp mansion, and had been seen going in and out of Schiff's New York mansion.
Leon Trotsky was given $20 million in Jacob Schiff gold to help finance the revolution, which was deposited in a Warburg bank, then transferred to the Nya Banken (Nye Bank) in Stockholm, Sweden. According to the Knickerbocker Column in the New York Journal American on February 3, 1949:
"Today it is estimated by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."
Leon Trotsky left New York aboard the S. S. Kristianiafjord (S. S. Christiania), which had been chartered by Schiff and Warburg, on March 27, 1917 [along] with communist revolutionaries. At Halifax, Nova Scotia on April 3rd, the first port they docked at, the Canadians under orders from the British Admiralty seized Trotsky and his men, taking them to the prison at Amherst, and impounding his gold.
Official records, later declassified by the Canadian government, indicate that they knew Trotsky and his small army were "...Socialists leaving for the purposes of starting revolution against [the] present Russian government..." The Canadians were concerned that if Lenin took over Russia, he would sign a Peace Treaty and stop the fighting between Russia and Germany, so that the Germany Army could be diverted to possibly mount an offensive against the United States and Canada.
The British government (through intelligence officer Sir William Wiseman, who later became a partner with Kuhn, Loeb and Co.), and the American government (through Col. House) urged them to let Trotsky go. Wilson said that if they didn't comply, the U.S. wouldn't enter the War. Trotsky was released, given an American passport, a British transport visa, and a Russian entry permit. It is obvious that Wilson knew what was going on, because accompanying Trotsky, was Charles Crane of the Westinghouse Company, who was the Chairman of the Democratic Finance Committee. The U.S. entered the war on April 6th, [1917]. Trotsky arrived in Petrograd on May 17.
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Great post, Okie.
2005-01-30 04:21 | User Profile
I know that most of this is true and the parts I am not sure about is only due to a lack of additional sources. I'd love to be able to confirm this:
[QUOTE]He had an expensive apartment and traveled around town in a chauffeur-driven limousine. He sometimes stayed at the Krupp mansion, and had been seen going in and out of Schiff's New York mansion.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't surprise me for a minute if this were the fact.
2005-01-30 06:12 | User Profile
Okiereddust,
Oh this is sickening to read. I have often thought America is the true motherland of marxism, but this is even worse than I thought. The evil America did in the world wars is sickening, and I always seem to being learning that the US government did even more than I knew.
[QUOTE]The British government (through intelligence officer Sir William Wiseman, who later became a partner with Kuhn, Loeb and Co.), and the American government (through Col. House) urged them to let Trotsky go. Wilson said that if they didn't comply, the U.S. wouldn't enter the War. Trotsky was released, given an American passport, a British transport visa, and a Russian entry permit.[/QUOTE]
Father alway told me Wall Streat payed for the marxist take over of Russia.
2005-01-30 11:26 | User Profile
[I][B] - "I know that most of this is true and the parts I am not sure about is only due to a lack of additional sources." [/B] [/I]
I like your attitude, Sertorius - you do not accept all claims [I]uncritically[/I], but rather try to independently confirm them.
:smile:
Petr
2005-01-30 20:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Okiereddust,
Oh this is sickening to read. I have often thought America is the true motherland of marxism, but this is even worse than I thought. The evil America did in the world wars is sickening, and I always seem to being learning that the US government did even more than I knew. [/QUOTE]Well a number of governments cooperated with the installation of the Marxists in Russia for a variety of different reasons. After all the Germans themselves provided the railroad car for Ulanov/Lenin from Switzerland.
It is though real interesting though the exact circumstances of Trotsky's whole stay in America. Its obvious that he had friends in high places here, probably not unrelated to the same people who were helping get us into the war, a war Wilson also wanted. There does seem to have been some pretty obvious agreement going on.
2005-01-30 23:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Leon Trotsky was given $20 million in Jacob Schiff gold to help finance the revolution, which was deposited in a Warburg bank, then transferred to the Nya Banken (Nye Bank) in Stockholm[/QUOTE]
Actually, [I]Nya Banken [/I] translates to "New Bank".
2005-02-06 09:13 | User Profile
The Times (London) Saturday, Dec 29, 1917; pg. 6:
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2005-02-06 17:04 | User Profile
Great find, Otho!
But also a disturbing thought: were not only American Jews but also Kaiser's Germany pouring money for Bolsheviks to cripple Russia's war effort?
(For example, what was this von Lucius up to?)
Petr
2005-02-07 00:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Great find, Otho!
But also a disturbing thought: were not only American Jews but also Kaiser's Germany pouring money for Bolsheviks to cripple Russia's war effort?
(For example, what was this von Lucius up to?)
Petr[/QUOTE]That's no big surprise really. Starting with the sealed rail car for Lenin from Switzlerland, Ludendorf's (Ludendorf was the de facto head of the Second Reich during that time) efforts and Germany's various other efforts on behalf of Lenin and other members of the Russian "peace party" (or parties) is well known.
It also wasn't especially successful in the long run or even short run of course. The German divisions transferred from the eastern front by some accounts were so infected with Bolshevism they weren't very much use, and eventually the same forces unleashed in Russia toppled Ludendorf and the Second Reich also.
One of the reasons I suppose the restorationists among the German nationalist movement were never very strong.
2005-02-08 14:01 | User Profile
It's the what the German government did in 1917, they should be ashamed of not what happened during World War II.