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Seymour Hersh Blames White Soldiers For Killings

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xmetalhead [OP]

2005-01-28 21:16 | User Profile

[COLOR=Blue]Seymour Hersh; famed journalist who broke the story of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam; been getting a lot of media exposure for his exposé on the Abu Ghraib torture scandal in Iraq and his exposé of the covert, and soon to be overt, war on Iran; quite a few anti-war, libertarian, and leftist websites have lauded Mr. Hersh as a hero; Hersh makes speech recently in a New York synagogue; Seymour has no problem explicitly blaming White soldiers for the massacre while explicitly making Black and Hispanics humanitarian heroes; Why? Why make that so explicit now?

It's ironic that the Whites who fight and die in Iraq for the benefit of Hersh's Israel get blamed all over again for torture and slaughter; read the entire speech Mr Hersh made about the Iraq War Debacle and you'll hear alot of blame on Bush, Rummy, Rice and the US Military istelf but somehow Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton, Kristol, Krauthammer, et al. are never, I repeat, are never mentioned;

No, I won't say Hersh is totally useless for he does expose a certain sordidness inside the American Empire, nor would I stop reading Counterpunch because it featured this speech, but like some said about the recent Rabbi Lapin lament over debased culture, we must, we must watch what these guys say.[/COLOR]

Entire speech [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/hersh01272005.html]here.[/url]

[QUOTE]There's going to be -- you know, when I did My Lai -- I tell this story a lot. When I did the My Lai story, more than a generation ago, it was 35 years ago, so almost two. When I did My Lai, one of the things that I discovered was that they had -- for some of you, most of you remember, but basically a group of American soldiers -- the analogy is so much like today. Then as now, our soldiers don't see enemies in a battlefield, they just walk on mines or they get shot by snipers, because it's always hidden. There's inevitable anger and rage and you dehumanize the people. We have done that with enormous success in Iraq. They're "rag-heads". They're less than human. The casualty count -- as in Sudan, equally as bad. Staggering numbers that we're killing. In any case, you know, it's -- in this case, these -- a group of soldiers in 1968 went into a village. They had been in Vietnam for three months and lost about 10% of their people, maybe 10 or 15 to accidents, killings and bombings, and they ended up -- [B]they thought they would meet the enemy and there were 550 women, children and old men and they executed them all. It took a day. They stopped in the middle and they had lunch. One of the kids who had done a lot of shooting. The Black and Hispanic soldiers, about 40 of them, there were about 90 men in the unit -- the Blacks and Hispanics shot in the air. They wouldn't shoot into the ditch. They collected people in three ditches and just began to shoot them. The Blacks and Hispanics shot up in the air, but the mostly White, lower middle class, the kids who join the Army Reserve today and National Guard looking for extra dollars, those kind of kids did the killing.[/B] One of them was a man named Paul Medlow, who did an awful lot of shooting. The next day, there was a moment -- one of the things that everybody remembered, the kids who were there, one of the mothers at the bottom of a ditch had taken a child, a boy, about two, and got him under her stomach in such a way that he wasn't killed. When they were sitting having the K rations -- that's what they called them -- MRE's now -- the kid somehow crawled up through the [inaudible] screaming louder and he began -- and Calley, the famous Lieutenant Calley, the Lynndie England of that tragedy, told Medlow: Kill him, "Plug him," he said. And Medlow somehow, who had done an awful lot as I say, 200 bullets, couldn't do it so Calley ran up as everybody watched, with his carbine. Officers had a smaller weapon, a rifle, and shot him in the back of the head. The next morning, Medlow stepped on a mine and he had his foot blown off. He was being medevac'd out. As he was being medevac'd out, he cursed and everybody remembered, one of the chilling lines, he said, "God has punished me, and he's going to punish you, too."[/QUOTE]

Petr

2005-01-28 21:32 | User Profile

Seymour Hersh has already done the ultimate expose of Zionist bloodthirstiness and megalomania - in his book "[B]THE SAMSON OPTION[/B]", which really brought the whole issue of Israeli nuclear threat up in the public for the first time.

That alone makes me think that he is a lot more sincere in his efforts than someone like rabbi Lapin.

Petr

Sertorius

2005-01-28 22:23 | User Profile

Xmetal,

I heard that speech and I don't believe that it was only the whites who fired.

[QUOTE]...we must watch what these guys say.[/QUOTE]

Got that right.

Faust

2005-01-28 22:46 | User Profile

Sertorius,

Remember this is the same Seymour Hersh, who said he loved Clinton because he droped bombs on White people and made war on White Christians Slavs.

Petr

2005-01-28 22:51 | User Profile

Did Sy Hersh support the Kosovo war?

Bummer. :mad:

Petr

Recluse

2005-01-29 01:50 | User Profile

I saw the racial breakdown of US casualties in Iraq recently and, not surprisingly, it was overwhelmingly White gentiles. I wonder when Hymie Hersh will give a speech about that.

Recluse

2005-01-29 02:07 | User Profile

Go here, [url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/[/url] , click on "Graphical Breakdown of Casualties", and click on "Race". As of January 8, it was 970 Whites (dead), 157 Hispanics, and 153 blacks.

Faust

2005-01-29 03:00 | User Profile

Petr

"Did Sy Hersh support the Kosovo war?"

Yes he did.

[QUOTE]**"Ah, I think you may be over-intellectualizing. You can't begin to know what's in their head. Look, America is a very racist country and war brings out the worst in it. I have said several times, publicly that the one thing I've always liked about Bill Clinton is that he was the first American president since World War II to bomb white people." **

[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15462&highlight=bomb+white+people+clinton[/url] [/QUOTE]

albion

2005-01-29 04:59 | User Profile

[size=4]Seymour Hersh Is On Fire [font=Arial Narrow]By xymphora 1-28-5[/font][/size]

[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]"Let's all forget this word 'insurgency'. It's one of the most misleading words of all. Insurgency assumes that we had gone to Iraq and won the war and a group of disgruntled people began to operate against us and we then had to do counter-action against them. That would be an insurgency. We are fighting the people we started the war against. We are fighting the Ba'athists plus nationalists. We are fighting the very people that started - they only choose to fight in different time spans than we want them to, in different places. We took Baghdad easily. It wasn't because be won. We took Baghdad because they pulled back and let us take it and decided to fight a war that had been pre-planned that they're very actively fighting." and (my emphasis; note that the 'cult' Hersh refers to is centered around Cheney-Rumsfeld, which makes the revelations, prompted by Hersh's work in the first place, of Rumsfeld's new personal Pentagon dirty-tricks intelligence agency established by crazed Zionist Stephen A. Cambone and crazed Christian Zionist Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, and the fact that the Pentagon is officially, despite the Posse Comitatus Act, operating domestically, all the more frightening):[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]". . . the amazing thing is we are been taken over basically by a cult, eight or nine neo-conservatives have somehow grabbed the government. Just how and why and how they did it so efficiently, will have to wait for much later historians and better documentation than we have now, but they managed to overcome the bureaucracy and the Congress, and the press, with the greatest of ease. It does say something about how fragile our Democracy is. You do have to wonder what a Democracy is when it comes down to a few men in the Pentagon and a few men in the White House having their way. What they have done is neutralize the C.I.A. because there were people there inside - the real goal of what Goss has done was not attack the operational people, but the intelligence people. There were people - serious senior analysts who disagree with the White House, with Cheney, basically, that's what I mean by White House, and Rumsfeld on a lot of issues, as somebody said, the goal in the last month has been to separate the apostates from the true believers. That's what's happening. The real target has been 'diminish the agency.' I'm writing about all of this soon, so I don't want to overdo it, but there's been a tremendous sea change in the government. A concentration of power." and, much like the almost secret bombing of Iraq by Britain and the United States that took place in the years of the 'no-fly zones', an amazing revelation hidden by the fact that the journalists in Iraq who are supposed to be covering the war are cowering under their beds in their hotel rooms (my emphasis):[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]"Since we installed our puppet government, this man, Allawi, who was a member of the Mukabarat, the secret police of Saddam, long before he became a critic, and is basically Saddam-lite. Before we installed him, since we have installed him on June 28, July, August, September, October, November, every month, one thing happened: the number of sorties, bombing raids by one plane, and the number of tonnage dropped has grown exponentially each month. We are systematically bombing that country. There are no embedded journalists at Doha, the Air Force base I think we're operating out of. No embedded journalists at the aircraft carrier, Harry Truman. That's the aircraft carrier that I think is doing many of the operational fights. There's no air defense, It's simply a turkey shoot. They come and hit what they want. We know nothing. We don't ask. We're not told. We know nothing about the extent of bombing. So if they're going to carry out an election and if they're going to succeed, bombing is going to be key to it, which means that what happened in Fallujah, essentially Iraq - some of you remember Vietnam - Iraq is being turn into a 'free-fire zone' right in front of us. Hit everything, kill everything. I have a friend in the Air Force, a Colonel, who had the awful task of being an urban bombing planner, planning urban bombing, to make urban bombing be as unobtrusive as possible. I think it was three weeks ago today, three weeks ago Sunday after Fallujah I called him at home. I'm one of the people - I don't call people at work. I call them at home, and he has one of those caller I.D.'s, and he picked up the phone and he said, 'Welcome to Stalingrad.' We know what we're doing. This is deliberate. It's being done. They're not telling us. They're not talking about it."[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]and, after comparing My Lai to Abu Ghraib, and a discussion of the effect of the brutality on the soldiers, and all the horribly wounded Americans, and the fact that those in the military are going to start to question what is going on in Iraq:[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]"Another salvation may be the economy. It's going to go very bad, folks. You know, if you have not sold your stocks and bought property in Italy, you better do it quick. And the third thing is Europe - Europe is not going to tolerate us much longer. The rage there is enormous. I'm talking about our old-fashioned allies. We could see something there, collective action against us. Certainly, nobody - it's going to be an awful lot of dancing on our graves as the dollar goes bad and everybody stops buying our bonds, our credit - our - we're spending $2 billion a day to float the debt, and one of these days, the Japanese and the Russians, everybody is going to start buying oil in Euros instead of dollars. We're going to see enormous panic here. But he could get through that. That will be another year, and the damage he's going to do between then and now is enormous. We're going to have some very bad months ahead."[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]Solid predictions. Do you want to believe the warmongers, who say that everything is just swell, or Hersh, who puts it on the line with some clear predictions? Who is your money on? There's more content in this little interview than you would get if you read every word in the disgusting American press for the last four years. You can tie the new cult neatly into the real problem with Gonzales as attorney general, that Gonzales gave Bush a legal opinion essentially saying that Bush was bound by no law in doing what he wanted to do. As Tom Engelhardt writes:[/size] [/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]". . . the legal theory that first came to light in the 'torture memos' that emerged from the White House Legal Counsel's office - that, in his role as commander-in-chief in 'wartime,' the President was essentially unfettered by Congress or the courts and could act as he wished - turns out to reach way beyond the issue of torture. Yes, Rumsfeld's Pentagon had trumped the CIA and was once again expanding its turf. It was now to be the armed intelligence and diplomatic spearhead of an ever-more militarized government; but at least as important was the urge that lurked behind this development - to free the President of all accountability, all democratic fetters, all those balancing powers so familiar to high-school students in any civics class. What this represents is a strikingly expansive imperial definition of 'freedom.'"[/size][/font] [/left]
[left][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]The speed with which the United States had fallen into fascism, under the guidance of an American Imperialist/Zionist/Christian Zionist cult, is remarkable.[/size] [/font][/left]
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--- ### Kevin_O'Keeffe *2005-01-29 11:02* | [User Profile](/od/user/929) [QUOTE=xmetalhead][COLOR=Blue]It's ironic that the Whites who fight and die in Iraq for the benefit of Hersh's Israel get blamed all over again for torture and slaughter; read the entire speech Mr Hersh made about the Iraq War Debacle and you'll hear alot of blame on Bush, Rummy, Rice and the US Military istelf but somehow Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Bolton, Kristol, Krauthammer, et al. are never, I repeat, are never mentioned In defense of Mr. Hersch, please note that Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith only wield those powers they are granted by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Yes, they are evil, treacherous scum, but Rumsfeld didn't HAVE to make Wolfowitz his Deputy, now did he? Cheney didn't HAVE to pretend to believe the lies of Feith's Office of Special Planning, anymore than Bush HAS to let Cheney run the country, while Bush serves as mere high-status ceremonial functionary, Republican National Committee Chief Fundraiser, and general promoter of Dispensationalistesque Christian heresy on so-called "Christian" Zionism. Hersch has done some good, a lot of it over the course of his entire career (I'm thinking particularly of his authorship of [u]The Samson Option[/u]), and since he is a Jew, its asking a lot to expect him to to focus his ire on Wolfowitz & Perle. He focuses his ire on the ideas Wolfotwitz & Perle champion, however, and that's good enough for me. A Jew ain't going to name the Jew, after all. --- ### Petr *2005-01-29 13:36* | [User Profile](/od/user/1012) [I][B] - "since he is a Jew, its asking a lot to expect him to to focus his ire on Wolfowitz & Perle." [/B] [/I] This is actually only a quite natural instinct - most human beings are not enthusiastic about "ratting on their own." For instance, I am not too enthusiastic to talk about what happened during King Leopold II's reign in Congo, and Blacks are not fond of discussing the character of Chaka Zulu... Petr --- ### albion *2005-01-31 03:52* | [User Profile](/od/user/1350) [size=+1]By Seymour Hersh [/size][size=3]1-30-5[/size]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=+1]About what's going on in terms of the President is that as virtuous as I feel, you know, at The New Yorker, writing an alternative history more or less of what's been going on in the last three years, George W. Bush feels just as virtuous in what he is doing.[/size] [/font]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=+1]He is absolutely committed -- I don't know whether he thinks he's doing God's will or what his father didn't do, or whether it's some mandate from -- you know, I just don't know, but George Bush thinks this is the right thing. He is going to continue doing what he has been doing in Iraq. He's going to expand it, I think, if he can. I think that the number of body bags that come back will make no difference to him. - The body bags are rolling in. -[/size] [/font]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=+1]It makes no difference to him, because he will see it as a price he has to pay to put America where he thinks it should be. So, he's inured in a very strange way to people like me, to the politicians, most of them who are too cowardly anyway to do much. So, the day-to-day anxiety that all of us have, and believe me, though he got 58 million votes, many of people who voted for him weren't voting for continued warfare, but I think that's what we're going to have.[/size][/font]
*continued... [url="http://www.rense.com/general62/hershwevebeentaken.htm"]http://www.rense.com/general62/hershwevebeentaken.htm[/url]* --- ### Faust *2005-02-03 02:46* | [User Profile](/od/user/60) Abu Ghraib Guard Javal Davis Pleads Guilty in Abuse Javal Davis Picture [url]http://www.newnation.org/Images/2005/JavalSDavis.jpg[/url] A former Abu Ghraib guard pleaded guilty Tuesday to battery and two other charges in the Iraqi prison abuse scandal as part of a deal with prosecutors on the eve of his trial. Sgt. Javal Davis, 27, also pleaded guilty to dereliction of duty and making a false official statement to Army investigators after photographs of naked and abused prisoners became public last spring. Davis, from Roselle, N.J., will not be tried on two other charges he had faced: conspiracy and maltreating detainees. [url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-02/02/content_414298.htm[/url] NNN [url]http://www.newnation.org/index2.html[/url] ---