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Thread ID: 16469 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-01-28
2005-01-28 08:42 | User Profile
Perhaps I shouldn't be posting personal information about Fade's identity, especially seeing as how thoroughly I condemned Raina, over at The Phora, for having apparently revealed political opinions penned by AntiYuppie to colleagues of his. Upon further reflection, however, it occurred to me that Fade has made himself persona non grata by betraying all his guests over at The Phora, and since he never confided in me, and I managed to correctly guess his identity based primarily on some comments he made in his farewell message, which pertained to his grandfather having had a career in politics, getting shot, and having to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair, I decided there was nothing wrong with mentioning this mildly interesting bit of truth about Fade's true identity.
Let's see, he has a grandfather in politics, who got shot and had to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair? And Fade's from Alabama? Gee, now who could THAT be?
So, collectors of irrelevant trivia on minor characters of no real significance, in case you were wondering, "Fade the Buther"/Hunter Wallace is the grandson of Gov. George Corely Wallace (under who's gubenatorial administration I was born, back in Selma), who served in office for most of the years from 1963-1987. He was the American Independent Party nominee for President in 1968, and received 13.5% of the vote, as well as 46 electoral votes (45 from the five states he carried, i.e. Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana & Arkansas, plus one renegade Nixon elector from OKlahoma). He was also LBJ's sole challenger for the 1964 Democratic nomination, as well a serious contender for the 1972 Democratic nomination (he almost certainly would have run as an American Independent again that year, had he not been shot while campaigning in Maryland). Having read two extensive, book-length biographies on Gov. Wallace, I could probably go on in this vein for some time, but most of you probably know all about him already, and for those who don't, you probably get the general idea.
The single most salient characteristic in the career of Gov. Wallace, however, is that in his final campaign for Governor of Alabama, in 1982, he repudiated all his previous segregationist, White supremacist views. The apple doesn't appear to have fallen all that enormously far from the tree....
2005-01-28 08:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Perhaps I shouldn't be posting personal information about Fade's identity, especially seeing as how thoroughly I condemned Raina, over at The Phora, for having apparently revealed political opinions penned by AntiYuppie to colleagues of his. Upon further reflection, however, it occurred to me that Fade has made himself persona non grata by betraying all his guests over at The Phora, and since he never confided in me, and I managed to correctly guess his identity based primarily on some comments he made in his farewell message, which pertained to his grandfather having had a career in politics, getting shot, and having to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair, I decided there was nothing wrong with mentioning this mildly interesting bit of truth about Fade's true identity.
Let's see..........[/QUOTE]Com'mon Kevin, don't spoil all the fun for us!
Besides, if Fade is such a scoundrel, who knows he could be lying.
2005-02-05 06:18 | User Profile
This has been real entertaining.
[QUOTE][QUOTE=starr]Yes, from his most recent posts, it would seem that Miller is onto your master plan. From your condo in Israel, you are leading a pack of Jewish wolves to turn VNNers against all the great Muslim and Arab peoples of the world. What do you have to say in your defense?:caiphas:[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Hopefully, with Phora v100 reopened maybe these folks will wander back over there.
2005-02-05 09:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]This has been real entertaining.
Hopefully, with Phora v100 reopened maybe these folks will wander back over there.[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Look - Fade claims all the previous posts are missing.
I think its rather transparent what's going on, IMO. I think there's a good chance some of these speculations about Fade's real identity have some truth to it. I think real life Fade realized he'd jeopardized his real life prospects, (in addition to disillusionment with WN - understandable), and is going on a lengthy mission to distance himself from his previous record. That includes posing as a neocon, and trying various subterfuges to take down the Phora, and destroy the record of his posts, while keeping the members as confused as possible about what he's doing.
I think we all really can emphasize to some extent with his predicament, even if we think we've taken better steps and are more careful about what we're doing than he has been. Its a situation whose risks we all have to live with. Maybe we should think of some ways we can learn from it.
2005-02-05 09:57 | User Profile
Dave,
I hope you are wrong on this. I hate the idea of all that trash taking up residence here. We have enough screwballs without having an additional bushel basket dumped on us.
2005-02-05 10:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Dave,
I hope you are wrong on this. I hate the idea of all that trash taking up residence here. We have enough screwballs without having an additional bushel basket dumped on us.[/QUOTE]Is it because we and Fade are starting to view these people similarly? Our approach after all - radical paleoism, was rather similar fundamentaly, although he being younger has taken more twists and turns naturally.
If we run this board properly more people should be an asset. They can be a liability, but its a liability after all we have wide power to control.
I think we need to figure out how to control it and keep us all interested in the game and doing what it takes to make our efforts and the efforts of our posters an asset to them, to us, and to Tex, so we all stay interested and enthused about this, and have a fall back position in case things aren't working that's better than Fade's. That's all I'm saying.
2005-02-05 16:46 | User Profile
Dave,
I see what you mean.
I don't know about viewing these people like Fade. I've never really been comfortable with them for a number of them strike me as being unstable. By "them" I mean cretins like "General Rummel" and some of the lower caste from the Phora. There are a handful of people that would be a plus for this board, most of them being previous posters. The others I'm not too sure about. We'll just have to see how much time we have to spend with them to see if they work out. I think that doing things that call attention to boorish behaviour like you did to Rummel are a step in the right direction. Perhaps the others will take the hint. For me I'll see about taking a more stand off approach for the moment to see what they do.
2005-02-05 19:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I think its rather transparent what's going on, IMO. I think there's a good chance some of these speculations about Fade's real identity have some truth to it. I think real life Fade realized he'd jeopardized his real life prospects, (in addition to disillusionment with WN - understandable), and is going on a lengthy mission to distance himself from his previous record. That includes posing as a neocon, and trying various subterfuges to take down the Phora, and destroy the record of his posts, while keeping the members as confused as possible about what he's doing.
I think we all really can emphasize to some extent with his predicament, even if we think we've taken better steps and are more careful about what we're doing than he has been. Its a situation whose risks we all have to live with. Maybe we should think of some ways we can learn from it.[/QUOTE]
Sure we can learn from it. One thing to remember is that he is only what, 24 years old? Nowadays maturity wise that's like you and I were at 17. But you know one thing I'm not sure anyone has considered (and to be honest I hadn't either until thinking on it last night), remember how he was actively targeting the hard-core racialists at VNN, Stormfront and elsewhere? He may have received a death threat, especially since his personal identity was so exposed on the internet. What started out as a thrill for him, being a young 24 year old college kid, may have turned real serious when he started messing around with the wrong people and he found himself way in over his head. Just a thought, but reading some of these guys like Martin and that whole VNN board crowd, it would not surprise me in the least.
In my opinion, if we are going to be moderators, whenever we see a member using bad language or crude sexual references and the like, we need to edit the post and send a PM. If there is any further fall-out, then we suspend them for a couple of days and that's that.
I think most members participating here realize that they can't use the language and such that they use at places like the Phora and VNN, but there are always a few that push the limit and if they start getting away with things then I think you'll find the quality of discourse here will deteriorate rather quickly. If you're like myself, you appreciate the tone of this board. I can't stomach places like LF, VNN or the old Phora as I can't wade through all the BS, nonsense and stupidity that goes on for 10 posts to every one quality contribution.
One things is for sure, if we want this board to get bigger, we will have to be more open about viewpoints not our own. At the same time, I think a basic standard of decency applies to everyone across the board. That means no crude language, sexual stuff. rough profanity, incessant racial and or religious slurs or vicious personal attacks on other posters. I think that's a good baseline posting qualification for those that post here and I hope all the mods can enforce it to the best of their ability.
2005-02-05 20:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Sure we can learn from it. One thing to remember is that he is only what, 24 years old? Nowadays maturity wise that's like you and I were at 17. But you know one thing I'm not sure anyone has considered (and to be honest I hadn't either until thinking on it last night), remember how he was actively targeting the hard-core racialists at VNN, Stormfront and elsewhere? He may have received a death threat, especially since his personal identity was so exposed on the internet. What started out as a thrill for him, being a young 24 year old college kid, may have turned real serious when he started messing around with the wrong people and he found himself way in over his head. Just a thought, but reading some of these guys like Martin and that whole VNN board crowd, it would not surprise me in the least. Yes. That's why its so important to keep things under control. This isn't just a game we're playing.
In my opinion, if we are going to be moderators, whenever we see a member using bad language or crude sexual references and the like, we need to edit the post and send a PM. If there is any further fall-out, then we suspend them for a couple of days and that's that.
One things is for sure, if we want this board to get bigger, we will have to be more open about viewpoints not our own. At the same time, I think a basic standard of decency applies to everyone across the board. That means no crude language, sexual stuff. rough profanity, incessant racial and or religious slurs or vicious personal attacks on other posters. I think that's a good baseline posting qualification for those that post here and I hope all the mods can enforce it to the best of their ability.[/QUOTE]Yup a real threat with Martin. He starts bringing over his friends who post just like him.
He knows he's playing a game with us. I'm sorry in a way I just suspended him for two days, and then wasn't really paying attention when he snuck back on the board.
They're extra work, and you have to watch them a lot. If I'd known the Phoran's would be coming over here I probably wouldn't have attempted it.
I'm of a mind now to keep close tabs on them, and when I suspend it, do it for a long period of time, so they're out of our hair. Marin may whine about the ODES, but its certainly better than having to deal with people like him.
He knows it too, I'm sure that's why he doesn't start his own board.
2005-04-25 10:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Sure we can learn from it. One thing to remember is that he is only what, 24 years old? Nowadays maturity wise that's like you and I were at 17. But you know one thing I'm not sure anyone has considered (and to be honest I hadn't either until thinking on it last night), remember how he was actively targeting the hard-core racialists at VNN, Stormfront and elsewhere? He may have received a death threat, especially since his personal identity was so exposed on the internet. What started out as a thrill for him, being a young 24 year old college kid, may have turned real serious when he started messing around with the wrong people and he found himself way in over his head. Just a thought, but reading some of these guys like Martin and that whole VNN board crowd, it would not surprise me in the least. [/QUOTE]Tex, just a thought, but looking up The Phora again the other day, typing in "www.thephora.com" and getting the AIPAC site, it occurs to me how difficult it is to believe Fade's story.
Also, how difficult it is to believe all these people would hang around this guy, who is a known flake who may ditch them at any time.
Also a note of sympathy crossed my mind for "Fade". Obviously he is now a public figure now, having been outed as to his real identity, and can find nothing better to do than hang around there and try to keep the damage under control.
I wonder if it might be worth working out some sort of deal with "Fade". We'd take over the board and responsibility for its records, and the good posters, and would cover his tracks in some sense for him. He in turn would agree to ban the bad ones before he left as a parting shot.
I just feel bad that WN has to be like the Mafia, you can't get out when you want to.
Just a thought :lol:
2005-05-19 14:01 | User Profile
See this thread. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113835&posted=1#post113835[/url]
2005-05-19 16:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]See this thread. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113835&posted=1#post113835[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh boy. Yippee.
2005-05-19 20:51 | User Profile
Jason,
I figured you would enjoy that. Gawd, I can't understand these idiots that come on and talk trash.
2005-05-23 02:53 | User Profile
Indeed.
I'll consider that a cue to request that all you folks who enjoy exerting your moderator muscle consider removing with predjudice the thread concerning the CI freak acting allegedly more freakish.
I don't care to see photos of kids here- are those still up?- and I question whether that brings this board into some gray area of illegality. Whether or not it's legally allowed, I think it's astoundingly insensitive and frankly immoral to have photos of children posted here, and it is in especially bad taste and bad judgement when their relative and the subject of the thread is involved in a criminal case of a sexual nature.
I'll ask those with some judgement on here- and you know who you are- to consider giving that thread, and possibly the individuals involved in the Jerry Springer style dialogue, the heave-ho in the better interests of the community.
My next request will involve asking members of long standing to once again desist from creating multiple personalities on this board in order to indulge their need for some sort of ersatz superiority- but there's time for that later, I suppose.
2005-05-23 04:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Indeed.
I'll consider that a cue to request that all you folks who enjoy exerting your moderator muscle consider removing with predjudice the thread concerning the CI freak acting allegedly more freakish.
I don't care to see photos of kids here- are those still up?- and I question whether that brings this board into some gray area of illegality. Whether or not it's legally allowed, I think it's astoundingly insensitive and frankly immoral to have photos of children posted here, and it is in especially bad taste and bad judgement when their relative and the subject of the thread is involved in a criminal case of a sexual nature. I'm not sure if they're still up, but it was Martin's buddy that did it. I'm not sure really exactly what the issues are you see - you could be more explicit. They are already public figures anyway.
However you are right - this whole thing does give my legal cautious side a strong case of the willies, as does everything involved with Martin. Like you, I'm not sure exactly what to do about it, but I appreciate your concern and wise opinion. Especially if the legal struggle starts to spread.
[QUOTE]I'll ask those with some judgement on here- and you know who you are- to consider giving that thread, and possibly the individuals involved in the Jerry Springer style dialogue, the heave-ho in the better interests of the community.[/QUOTE]
Well I respectfully disagree that we should just turn our back on these people. Martin is an eccentric person alright, but I still believe a person has the right to be eccentric in this country and that that is part of what these forums are for. Plus Martin I think has a certain underhanded judgement about things that often seems to be right regarding the other crazies, such as TGMNN, the other CI's a la Downey, and egomaniacs like Linder and Il Ragno.
All of the most despicable elements seem to be turning against Lucky now. I'd hate to be seen as taking their sides in this.
I do agree though that we don't want to be dragged too far into this. We might want to suggest alternate venues for 6killer etc if he looks like this is going to turn into a real internet legal campaign for Martin.
My next request will involve asking members of long standing to once again desist from creating multiple personalities on this board in order to indulge their need for some sort of ersatz superiority- but there's time for that later, I suppose.[/QUOTE]Is this like that famous politicians remark that he is going to make no mention of the fact his opponent is such and such? Get it out Weissy whatever you're saying, especially if you're trying to go Raggy on me. FYI this is now my only posting handle if that's what you're getting at. Any other personal complaints you need to get off your chest?
2005-05-23 05:10 | User Profile
Weisbrot,
I'm curious as well as to who is using more than one handle. On Arator's old board the retard "Monty335" had something like six that he would use in an infantile manner.
2005-05-23 14:00 | User Profile
I don't know of anybody using multiple handles...'cept Raina of course. :)