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2005-01-25 21:53 | User Profile
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[SIZE=4][B]Our Worst Enemy[/B][/SIZE] By Rabbi Daniel Lapin President, Toward Tradition 1-24-5
I am an Orthodox Jewish rabbi sadly denouncing one of the box office hits of 2004. Which movie has earned my wrath? Here is a clue - it surprised everyone by selling over one hundred million dollars of tickets in its first week in theaters. No, it's not Mel Gibson's Passion. The movie causing me deep distress is a Rosenthal/Tenenbaum production starring Dustin Hoffman, and Barbra Streisand.
I was sorry to see Barbra Streisand involved in the flagrant defamation of Judaism found in this, her latest movie hit. While she was making her film Yentl, for which I served as a consultant, she studied Judaism regularly and diligently with me. She was a warm and gracious guest on the occasions she had dinner with my family. Yentl's nostalgic, if not altogether authentic glimpse into 19th century Jewish life in Poland, evoked a feeling of fondness for the characters, but like many ethnic Jews, Streisand is largely isolated from her religious roots. In the new film to which I refer, she plays not a role, but a heinous caricature of a Jewess.
I am reluctant to name the movie on account of the implied vulgarity of its title. If you are reluctant to part with good money for the privilege of seeing the Jewish people being defamed, you should abstain from this movie. In spite of having several Jewish producers and several Jewish stars, this film's vile notions of Jews are not too different from those used by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
I may be unsophisticated but I am not just a grouch with no sense of humor. I'll fess up; I really enjoy funny movies. However you should know a little about this offensive excuse for entertainment. You might recall that in the first movie we followed Pam Byrnes as she introduced her very Jewish and nerdy boyfriend, Greg, to her parents. This sequel shows the Byrnes visiting their daughter's future in-laws. The movie depicts Greg's conspicuously Jewish parents as sexually obsessed, constantly concupiscent degenerates. Nice people, but depraved. Their home is filled with bric-a-brac that juts with anatomic suggestiveness.
Along with their son's bar mitzvah talit, or prayer shawl, they have preserved the foreskin from his circumcision. To add to the hilarity, this souvenir makes a distasteful reappearance at an awkward moment. In reality, Jews treat the foreskin with reverence and bury it rather than turning it into a scrapbook joke. The hosts, who never miss an opportunity of exuding Jewish ethnicity, boast of their son losing his virginity to the gentile maid and they keep their guests waiting while they themselves practice what they preach in their bedroom upstairs. There are many more vile examples of Jewish people being defamed in this horrible excrescence. I am not sure that labeling it comedy excuses the defamation.
I do not particularly care for dark, socially significant films. Give me funny movies like The Blues Brothers and Hopscotch. However I really loathe movies that perpetuate hideous stereotypes about racial, religious, or ethnic groups, no matter how funny they may seem. What is more, I cannot see how racial bigotry is lessened if perpetrated by blacks or that anti-Semitism is diminished if delivered by Jews.
This movie defames Jews in a way that I haven't seen since the worst that Woody Allen dished up. And Woody at his worst was breathtakingly hostile to Judaism. One need only recall how many of Woody's films portray Jews, not to mention rabbis, as loathsome liars, desperate psychotics, pathetic perverts, and ridiculously lecherous losers. If Woody Allen were not Jewish, surely every Jewish organization would have roundly denounced him. And they would have been right. The problem is that he is Jewish and they don't denounce him. Instead, we self-destructive Jews celebrate Woody Allen Week at Jewish Community Center film festivals.
It is not only in movies that Jews besmirch Jews as sexualizing the culture. Ruth Westheimer told The New York Times of her love for Judaism, Israel, and the Jewish people. Meanwhile, as Dr. Ruth, with her grandmotherly appearance and her high-pitched Jewish accent, she titillates her audiences with shockingly explicit sexual advice.
Radio shock-jock Howard Stern intersperses his displays of dehumanizing depravity with a constant stream of "Oy veys" as if subconsciously compelled to highlight his Jewish ethnicity.
Jerry Springer, widely known as the Jewish former mayor of Cincinnati, normalizes depravity by projecting a deviant sub-culture and its cheering hooligans right into America's living room.
A few years ago, the Los Angeles Jewish Journal gushingly profiled a Jewish pornographer whose stage name is Ron Jeremy. The piece praised the huge sums he's been paid to "bed more gorgeous women than James Bond." Jeremy, who proudly admits to have acted in or directed over 1,500 porn videos, cited the preponderance of Jewish men in porn and explained, "Jewish families tend to be more liberal than Christian ones, they aren't obsessed by the fear of the devil or going to hell." As if to eliminate any lingering doubt about Ron Jeremy's Jewishness, the Jewish Journal breathlessly assures us that Ron Jeremy plans to marry in a synagogue.
You'd have to be a recent immigrant from Outer Mongolia not to know of the role that people with Jewish names play in the coarsening of our culture. Almost every American knows this. It is just that most gentiles are too polite to mention it.
Naturally, I am not suggesting that Americans of Jewish descent should conceal their ethnic identity. I am urging those for whom Judaism is a link to the eternal values of Sinai, to wake up and realize how other Americans increasingly perceive us. Furthermore we ought to recognize that this unwholesome perception of Jews is the result of anti-Semitism perpetrated by Jews rather than by non-Jews. It would seem that Isaiah's twenty-eight hundred year old prophecy to the Jewish people has come true today - "Those that destroy you and those that wreck you go forth from thee." (Isaiah 49:17)
By now, some Jewish readers will be cringing. You might be cursing me for making public the role of Jews in debasing the culture. Perhaps you subscribe to the notion that nobody has noticed. I sympathize and want you to know that I write about it only for the purpose of trying to solve the problem. Make no mistake, it is a problem, and the solution lies not in attempting to defame the critics, but in stepping forward to criticize the defamers. Indeed, if we Jews do not ourselves condemn the wrong that our brethren do, others with less sympathy eventually will do so.
This excerpt from Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf shows how that evil megalomaniac roused his nation to hurl an avalanche of destruction at the Jewish people:
[COLOR=Blue]"Was there any form of filth or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least one Jew involved in it? What had to be reckoned heavily against the Jews in my eyes was when I became acquainted with their activity in the press, art, literature, and the theater... It sufficed to look at a billboard, to study the names behind the horrible trash they advertised... Is this why the Jews are called the "chosen people"? The fact that nine tenths of all literary filth, artistic trash, and theatrical idiocy can be set to the account of a people, constituting hardly one hundredth of all the country's inhabitants, could simply not be talked away; it was the plain truth." (Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Chapter II) [/COLOR]
It does not excuse Hitler or his Nazi thugs for us to acknowledge that this maniacal, master propagandist focused on a reality that resonated with the educated, and cultured Germans of his day. Not once in Mein Kampf did that monster charge Jews with being complicit in the killing of Christ two thousand years earlier. He knew that long-ago event, shrouded in mystery and theological profundity, would never goad enlightened people to murder. Instead, he drew attention to the obvious and inescapable; that which every German knew to be true.
The sad fact is that through Jewish actors, playwrights, and producers, the Berlin stage of Weimar Germany linked Jews and deviant sexuality in all its sordid manifestations just as surely as Broadway does today. Much of the filth in American entertainment today parallels that of Germany between the wars.
About twenty years ago, one of Ayn Rand's proteges, Leonard Peikoff, wrote a book called The Ominous Parallels in which he described how Germany's cultural decline helped bring the Nazis to power. With haunting precision, Peikoff proves how similar is America's cultural decline. I am not predicting vicious anti-Semitism in America but I am suggesting that most decent Americans today feel more viscerally outraged by the assault on decency than by the Crucifixion.
Bill Cosby rightly condemned black entertainment that hatefully glorifies destructive behavior. By contrast, Barbershop, the 2002 movie starring Icecube, and Cedric the Entertainer, limned a loving portrait of a hard-working African-American family valiantly struggling to achieve nobility in the face of formidable challenge. In the same year, Nia Vardalos did her hilarious My Big Fat Greek Wedding, clearly demonstrating her love for her warm-hearted and decent relatives. Contrarily, we Jews routinely depict ourselves in repugnant caricatures of people you'd want nothing to do with in real life. Why do my colleagues in Jewish communal leadership never condemn this anti-Semitism? For if it is not anti-Semitism, what is?
Ah, but wait. The leader of a famous Jewish defense organization that exists to stop the defamation of the Jewish people, recently denounced, in The Jerusalem Post, one of the most profitable movies of 2004 for its "vile notions of Jews." Reluctant to "contribute to the overflowing coffers" of the producers by encouraging attendance, he nonetheless insisted that "only by viewing it can one understand how offensive it is."
Was he describing the horrible sequel I am refusing to name? Sadly, not. He was referring to Mel Gibson's The Passion. Nearly a year after its release, and after polls show increased regard for Jews among the film's audiences, Jewish organizations still condemn The Passion as defamatory to Jews. Yet, astonishingly, they don't consider the examples I cite above as defamatory to Jews.
Here is a simple question: Do you suppose that people's view of what Jews are really like is shaped more by Caius, an obscure two-thousand-year old character in The Passion or alternatively by the contemporary couple played by Streisand and Hoffman? Which movie more egregiously defames Jews? Consider the meaning of the word 'defame.' To de-fame means to undo the fame currently being enjoyed. Jews used to be known for having endowed the world with the notion of sexual restraint and modesty. Judaism is now being defamed by Jews.
Inexplicably, nearly a year after its release and without a shred of proof that anyone thinks the worse of Jews on its account, The Passion continues to trouble some Jewish leaders. Hinting that their real target was Mel Gibson the religious conservative, rather than Mel Gibson the defamer of Judaism, a Jewish leader last week criticized Gibson for opposing the changes in Catholic teaching advocated by the Vatican II council. This is tantamount to a Christian leader criticizing an Orthodox Jew for opposing the acceptance of homosexuality advocated by the leadership of Reform Judaism. The only word for this is "Chutzpah" - indescribable impudence.
For years the same Jewish leader has ignored Jews who flagrantly and fraudulently defame Judaism but he incessantly continues to condemn Mel Gibson. He fails to realize that it is his exaggerated attacks on Mel Gibson, whose movie recently took top honors at the 31st annual People's Choice Awards, that do considerable harm to American Jews, not the film itself. Apparently Jews may behave outrageously while Christians, however, will be held to a higher standard. This abolition of honest objectivity lays the foundation for a frightening form of censorship and arbitrary prosecution. It would surely cause the most cynical KGB commissar of the bad old days to drool with envy.
A paramount principle of paleontology is that failure to adapt is a symptom of impending extinction. Anachronistically obsessing on yesterday's dangers blinds one to contemporary perils. It is true that in the past, mobs of European Catholics did murder Jews. That has never happened in this most philo-Semitic of countries. American Jews are not threatened by rampaging Christians seeking revenge for the blood of Christ. However Jews are threatened by other forces against which we have precious few allies. Prominent among our allies are seriously religious, and for the most part, conservative Christians.
When will more Jewish leaders learn who their friends really are? When will they learn that those who incessantly bludgeon their friends eventually won't have any friends left?
It would be foolish not to realize that most decent Americans are bothered far more by the trashing of American culture today than they are by our possible complicity in the killing of Christ two thousand years ago. Because so many of the most prominent trashers possess Jewish names and proudly proclaim their Jewish ethnicity, it becomes a Jewish responsibility to condemn the vulgarity by means of which they defame Judaism.
We can't stop the Woody Allens and Howard Sterns, and in a nation that enshrined free speech, maybe we oughtn't to try. However we could redeem ourselves by protesting them instead of dissipating valuable energies and priceless goodwill by endlessly protesting The Passion.
[url]http://www.towardtradition.org/our_worst_enemy.htm[/url]
2005-01-25 22:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE]This movie defames Jews in a way that I haven't seen since the worst that Woody Allen dished up. [/QUOTE]
Xmetal,
I wonder if he means "Sleeper." I thought the scene with the robot tailors was funny as hell. :lol:
Good to see you again as well.
2005-01-26 00:18 | User Profile
Yeah, that was quite a scene -- Ginsberg & Cohen, tailors
OK - we'll take it in!
2005-01-26 13:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Xmetal,
I wonder if he means "Sleeper." I thought the scene with the robot tailors was funny as hell. :lol:
Good to see you again as well.[/QUOTE]
Sert, "Sleeper" was one of the first movies I remember seeing as a kid. From then on, whenever I thought of Jews, Woody Allen was the first thing to pop into my mind.
2005-01-26 13:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Not once in Mein Kampf did that monster charge Jews with being complicit in the killing of Christ two thousand years earlier. He knew that long-ago event, shrouded in mystery and theological profundity, would never goad enlightened people to murder. [B]Instead, he drew attention to the obvious and inescapable; that which every German knew to be true. [/B]
The sad fact is that through Jewish actors, playwrights, and producers, the Berlin stage of Weimar Germany linked Jews and deviant sexuality in all its sordid manifestations just as surely as Broadway does today. [B]Much of the filth in American entertainment today parallels that of Germany between the wars. [/B] [/QUOTE]
Well, [I]this [/I] was an eye-opener.
2005-01-26 14:37 | User Profile
You'd have to be a recent immigrant from Outer Mongolia not to know of the role that people with Jewish names play in the coarsening of our culture. Almost every American knows this. It is just that most gentiles are too polite to mention it.
No, they're too afraid of losing their livelihoods to mention it. When Gentiles mention the obvious, it's called "Hate," and the "Hater" is driven from the fold by the enormously powerful kosher infrastructure that we're all supposed to pretend doesn't exist.
2005-01-26 15:05 | User Profile
I found this article very interesting, since I just finished reading Israel Shahak's [u]Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years[/u] last night. As I read Rabbi Lapin's essay, it brought to mind one of Shahak's main observations regarding Jewish behaviour towards Gentiles -- that deception by Jews is encouraged if being truthful would cause enmity towards Jews as a whole. For example, observant Jews are not only not obligated to save the life of a Gentile, they are in fact prohibited from doing so. Jewish doctors are prohibited from treating Gentile patients on the Sabbath. Jews are prohibited from allowing any Gentile to achieve any position of authority, no matter how small, over Jews. However, all these injunctions can be laid aside if openly following them would cause Gentile animosity towards Jews. By laid aside, I do not mean that the underlying principle of goy-hatred is lessened one iota; rather, it is a purely tactical decision not to raise the ire of the Gentile majority. Once the Jews are in a position of power, however, and thus have no need to play nice, they are prohibited from showing any such consideration for Gentiles. I think this is evident in Lapin's article. When he laments the work of Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Ron Jeremy, he does so not because he is truly concerned about the vulgarity, but because such over-the-top filth might eventually raise the anger of the goyim. When he objects to the portrayal of Jews in Meet the Fokkers, he does so not because they are stereotypes, but because they are negative stereotypes, which might resonate with the Gentiles. For all the Rabbi's talk of 'coarsening the culture' and 'vulgarity', this is really just another round of 'is it good for the Jews?'
2005-01-26 15:05 | User Profile
BTW, I can almost sympathize with this Rabbi pertaining to feelings about "Meet The Fokkers". You see, as a White man, I've seen my people stereotyped as [I]total criminals[/I] in many a Jewish production. I mean, Rabbi, it's just not right, the blacks and non-Whites are all gonna think we just [I]mean[/I], man.
I know, it sucks Rabbi, but hang in there and keep talking. Maybe you can find out why "Meet The Fokkers" (like other Jewish comedies) has so much scatalogical humor throughout the film. I'm starting to think [I]all[/I] Jews are obssessed with flatulence and defecation.
2005-01-26 15:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]When he laments the work of Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Ron Jeremy, he does so not because he is truly concerned about the vulgarity, but because such over-the-top filth might eventually raise the anger of the goyim. When he objects to the portrayal of Jews in Meet the Fokkers, he does so not because they are stereotypes, but because they are negative stereotypes, which might resonate with the Gentiles. For all the Rabbi's talk of 'coarsening the culture' and 'vulgarity', this is really just another round of 'is it good for the Jews?'[/QUOTE]
Excellent insight, Q. I was sure mwdallas was going to make this point, but it seems you beat him to it. Good post.
2005-01-26 16:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill] For all the Rabbi's talk of 'coarsening the culture' and 'vulgarity', this is really just another round of 'is it good for the Jews?'[/QUOTE]
It certainly may be. However, what has been lacking in the Jewish community for quite some time is it's own policing by it's own members. Certainly not all Jews are in lockstep with their powerful Elites' programs and those dissenters need to speak out. We WN's can't do it for obvious reasons, but if the Rabbi's words can resonate somehow with ordinary Jews, can't that be somewhat good for everyone?
2005-01-26 16:30 | User Profile
[quote=xmetalhead]It certainly may be. However, what has been lacking in the Jewish community for quite some time is it's own policing by it's own members. Certainly not all Jews are in lockstep with their powerful Elites' programs and those dissenters need to speak out. We WN's can't do it for obvious reasons, but if the Rabbi's words can resonate somehow with ordinary Jews, can't that be somewhat good for everyone? A decrease in the vulgarization of our society would certainly be good for everyone, and I am all for it. I am merely pointing out that the Rabbi's concerns are not rooted in dismay at the vulgarization of society per se, but only in the harm that it may cause to Jews, if they are perceived as being the cause of it. A few germane bits from the article --
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] This movie defames Jews in a way that I haven't seen since the worst that Woody Allen dished up. And Woody at his worst was **breathtakingly hostile to Judaism. **
...we self-destructive Jews celebrate Woody Allen Week at Jewish Community Center film festivals.
I am urging those for whom Judaism is a link to the eternal values of Sinai, to wake up and realize how other Americans increasingly perceive us.
By now, some Jewish readers will be cringing. You might be cursing me for making public the role of Jews in debasing the culture.
He fails to realize that it is his exaggerated attacks on Mel Gibson, whose movie recently took top honors at the 31st annual People's Choice Awards, that do considerable harm to American Jews, not the film itself. ...This abolition of honest objectivity lays the foundation for a frightening form of censorship and arbitrary prosecution.
However Jews are threatened by other forces against which we have precious few allies. Prominent among our allies are seriously religious, and for the most part, conservative Christians.
When will more Jewish leaders learn who their friends really are? When will they learn that those who incessantly bludgeon their friends eventually won't have any friends left?
Because so many of the most prominent trashers possess Jewish names and proudly proclaim their Jewish ethnicity, it becomes a Jewish responsibility to condemn the vulgarity by means of which they defame Judaism. [/QUOTE]
2005-01-26 16:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]Yeah, that was quite a scene -- Ginsberg & Cohen, tailors
OK - we'll take it in![/QUOTE]
I didn't take that as defaming Jews in any way. White people appreciate self-deprecating humor.
Allen's Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex was a scurrilous thing with very strong kosher undertones.
2005-01-26 16:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]A decrease in the vulgarization of our society would certainly be good for everyone, and I am all for it. I am merely pointing out that the Rabbi's concerns are not rooted in dismay at the vulgarization of society per se, but only in the harm that it may cause to Jews, if they are perceived as being the cause of it. A few germane bits from the article --[/QUOTE]
Great point.
Rabbi Lapin is not our friend.
He may have his uses, but keep a very careful eye on him.
2005-01-26 17:19 | User Profile
No Talmudic Jew who takes his religion seriously can be really trusted by Christians. Non-religious Jews like Shahak, Noam Chomsky and Seymour Hersh are a lot more "authentic" allies for us.
A similar case of religious Jew is Michael Medved, whose book "[I]Hollywood Versus America[/I]" was actually quite good, but yet, [B]keep a close eye on him[/B].
Petr
2005-01-26 17:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]No Talmudic Jew who takes his religion seriously can be really trusted by Christians. Non-religious Jews like Shahak, Noam Chomsky and Seymour Hersh are a lot more "authentic" allies for us.
A similar case of religious Jew is Michael Medved, whose book "[I]Hollywood Versus America[/I]" was actually quite good, but yet, [B]keep a close eye on him[/B].
Petr[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Secular Jews may still be controlled by Jewish group psychology, even if they think they are free of it, as Kevin MacDonald demonstrated.
For instance, Hersh is a very good source of information, but he constantly pushes the "it was the Iranians who fooled us into attacking Iraq, not the Israelis" which is very deceptive, and reflects an instinctive desire to shield fellow Jews from criticism or exposure.
They all have their uses, whether religious or secular, but as you say, keep your eyes on them.
2005-01-26 23:19 | User Profile
THIS RABBI IS TELLING YOU TRUTHFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY HOW HE SEES THE DECLINE IN MORALITY, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA.
IF YOU REALY WANT TO KEEP YOUR EYES ON SOMEONE, TRY GERMANY, RUSSIA, SAUDIA ARABIA, IRAN AND CHINA.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN OR CLAIMING TO BE FROM A CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT THEY SEE:
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
PAUL IS NOT KIDDING. IF YOU ARE IN CHRIST THEN YOU ARE PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS SPIRTITUALLY JEW AND NO LONGER GENTILE (PAGAN). GENTILE OR GOY ACTUALLY MEANS OF THE NATIONS OR PAGANS, THOSE WITHOUT THE TORAH.
YOU MAY NOT RECOGNIZE IT BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEEM TO KNOW ONLY WHAT THE CHURCH PERMITS YOU TO KNOW, NOT WHAT THE SCRIPTURE OF THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS. ALL THE BIBLE IS A TOTALLY 100% JEWISH BOOK COVER TO COVER.
BUT I ASSURE YOU THAT NAZIS AND ANTI SEMITES KNOW, AND KNEW BACK IN HITLER'S TIME.
BECAUSE AFTER THE JEWS (WHO ARE NOT ALL IDENTIFIABLE BY THE WAY AS THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW BY BLOODLINES) GO THE CHRISTIANS.
2005-01-26 23:28 | User Profile
Scripturesez, are you aware that going on ALL-CAPS is the Internet equivalent of yelling?
Petr
2005-01-27 16:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Scripturesez, are you aware that going on ALL-CAPS is the Internet equivalent of yelling?[/QUOTE] Scripturesez, are you also aware that you're totally clueless?
2005-01-27 16:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]
A similar case of religious Jew is Michael Medved, whose book "[I]Hollywood Versus America[/I]" was actually quite good, but yet, [B]keep a close eye on him[/B].
Petr[/QUOTE]
Medved is probably the most effective liar of the neocon talk radio propagandists. He is able to appeal not only to the dispensationalists types, but misguided Christians as well with his knowledge of history, his debating skills and his pseudo American patriotism. He comes across as a very polite and considerate person on most things, but let someone challenge him on Israel and the facade comes off and you can see just what a nasty, lying s.o.b. he is. An example would be the time he had the author of Imperial Hubris, Michael Schuerer on. There was a five minute gap in the broadcast shortly after the program began where Schuerer started to make his case about re-evaulating U.S. middle east policy. Whether this was by design I have no idea. It was there on another station as well. When the broadcast could be heard again Medved started playing silly word games about policy and despite Schuerer's answers still continued to play stupid until Schuerer brought up Israel and the disasterous impact it was having on U.S. foreign policy. Medved tried to claim that we had the debate about that during the election. "What debate", Schuerer asked. Medved replied that Kerry and Dean had both talked about it. Yes, they each brought it up one time and all it took was for one complaint to each from the A.D.L. to scotch that. That "debate" was all of two days per candidate, I recall. Schuerer pointed this out, but Medved continued to lie about this and distort what Schuerer had written in a nasty way he normally doesn't show.
Medved also tried to assasinate his character by implying that he was a sympathizer of Bin Laden. Schuerer had referred to Bin Laden as a "great man" in his book and even though Schuerer made it quite clear that "great" was being used in a very narrow sense Medved still kept trying to distort his meaning by quoting him out of context.
Despite all of this and some typically stupid callers, Schuerer gave a good account of himself. As for Medved, he is one of the most intellectually dishonest persons on the radio.
2005-01-27 16:56 | User Profile
I hate to say this but what that Rabbi says does make sense after all the Bible was invented by the Jews, glad that I don't have a religion.
It is my understanding that the word "goy" as use by the Jews means cattle, am I wrong?
2005-02-09 23:13 | User Profile
Yeshua (Jesus there is no J in hebrew by the way) did not give you a religion but you can have a relationship with the creator Himself.
God wanted us to dialog with Him as he loves us all, even when we were sinners.
Even though the Israelites in the wilderness turned down hearing from God because they were afraid and asked Moses to mediate, God promises us Yeshua as seen in the passage:
Deuteronomy 18:5 öThe LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Religion is the teaching and doctrines of men---or worse.
Also another term for goy is those without the Torah, the teaching and instruction of God, those without Yeshua, Jesus.
Sometimes referred to as Nations.
2005-02-09 23:39 | User Profile
I am a super happy Goy that thinks that The Bible was made with the best of intentions but......... there is a lot missing that at the time they didn't think that it was "proper" to be part of The Bible, in other words "politics".
I know that some of the missing parts have been found but in order to keep The Bible as is and in the dark the power to be have decided not to publish it.
I keep reading propaganda and and rummors that it was Jesus Chris brother that die in the cross, that Jesus married Maria Magdalena, that the figure to the right painted by De Vinci (The Last Supper) was Maria Magdalena and on and on.
[B]The first thing that you have to do in order to destroy a "God" is to make him human [/B] and as far as I can see that's what the Jews are doing, you can see this by the way that they are killing Chistmas (I am sorry to see).
"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce
2005-02-10 01:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I keep reading propaganda and and rummors that it was Jesus Chris brother that die in the cross, that Jesus married Maria Magdalena, that the figure to the right painted by De Vinci (The Last Supper) was Maria Magdalena and on and on.[/QUOTE]
Ponce, the "propaganda" and "rumours" you are reading are just that, and the scenario you give above is surely blasphemous. What you're reading there has found a massive audience through the best-selling piece of rubbish called "The DaVinci Code" by author Dan Brown. I have a feeling Dan Brown was probably born Daniel Brownstein.
The movie version is coming out next year.
2005-02-10 01:30 | User Profile
When does the revisionist movie about Abraham molesting Isaac come out?
2005-02-10 06:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]THIS RABBI IS TELLING YOU TRUTHFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY HOW HE SEES THE DECLINE IN MORALITY, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA. [/QUOTE]
Paul also says that the Jews are the enemies of the Gospel. (Romans 11:28)
They are enemies for our sake, but they are [B]enemies[/B] nevertheless.
Rabbi Lapin catalouges well the awful truth of St. Paul's words of 2,000 years ago. The Jews always were and always will be the blood enemies of the Gospel of Christ.
If we are serious about building a Christian America, then the first step must be to rid ourselves of all internal enemies, especially the Jews and their allies (which raises an interesting question: do we even have any other internal enemies?).
I say with Ariel Sharon that all Jews must move to Israel.
And they must do it now, before a more drastic solution to America's Jewish-caused moral decline is sought by less charitable souls than me.
Walter
2005-02-10 17:16 | User Profile
Walter? is inproper for you to say that Sharon and all Jews should move to (the state of) Israel, by saying that you are saying that is ok for you for the Zionists to steal Palestine from the Palestinian people.
As you well know the "real" Jews don't even need or want a land that they can call home, for now. According to what I have read about the real Jews they are supposed to mix with all races of the world and inprove the world.
What the Zionists really need is an island that they can claim as their own and close the island to outsiders in order to do their dirty deeds from there, I think that by taking over Patagonia (south of Australia) that's what they are planning.
Besides, if you have them all in one place it would be easier to nuke them and get rid of them once and for all.
N. Korea now says that they do have nukes and I kow that either they will help Iran, and other Arabs countrys, build nukes or maybe even give them some nukes......there is still hope for peace in the world.
2005-02-10 19:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As you well know the "real" Jews don't even need or want a land that they can call home, for now. [/QUOTE]
And that should tell you all you need to know about the Jews. It's a safe bet that any organism that lives inside another organism is a parasite.
2005-02-10 19:34 | User Profile
Patagonia is in South America. I was considering some land in Chile. Please do not suggest they move there.
2005-02-10 19:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Walter? is inproper for you to say that Sharon and all Jews should move to (the state of) Israel, by saying that you are saying that is ok for you for the Zionists to steal Palestine from the Palestinian people.[/QUOTE]
It really is okay with me that the Jews took that land from the Arabs.
I'm concerned with my own survival.
Arabs losing a little land is the least of my worries.
By the way, how do you suppose the Arabs managed to take over such a large portion of the world?
Clean living?
Persuasive argumentation?
2005-02-10 22:26 | User Profile
This is what Paul (Rav Shaul) says about the "the Jews" remembering Paul is a Jew....
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijahââ¬âhow he appealed to God against Israel: 3ââ¬ÅLord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill meââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28198a"][color=#0000ff]a[/color][/url]]? 4And what was God's answer to him? ââ¬ÅI have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28199b"][color=#0000ff]b[/color][/url]] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28201c"][color=#0000ff]c[/color][/url]]
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written: ââ¬ÅGod gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day.ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28203d"][color=#0000ff]d[/color][/url]] 9And David says: ââ¬ÅMay their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them. 10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28205e"][color=#0000ff]e[/color][/url]]
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, ââ¬ÅBranches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.ââ¬Â 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ââ¬ÅThe deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28222f"][color=#0000ff]f[/color][/url]] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28222g"][color=#0000ff]g[/color][/url]]
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28226h"][color=#0000ff]h[/color][/url]] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28228i"][color=#0000ff]i[/color][/url]] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out! 34ââ¬ÅWho has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28229j"][color=#0000ff]j[/color][/url]] 35ââ¬ÅWho has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?ââ¬Â[[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/#fen-NIV-28230k"][color=#0000ff]k[/color][/url]] 36For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana]Numbers 23:19[/font][/color][color=#333366][font=Verdana] God is not a man, that he should lie,
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] Does he speak and then not act?
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] Does he promise and not fulfill?
[font=Arial Unicode MS][size=3]Malachi 3:6 [/size][/font]
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
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[color=#333366][font=Verdana][size=3]Matthew 15:24 (New International Version)
[color=#333366][font=Verdana] 24He answered, ââ¬ÅI was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel[/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana]Apparently the Bible says that God did not do away with the Jews after all.[/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color] [color=#333366][font=Verdana][/font][/color]
2005-02-11 00:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jozen1]Patagonia is in South America. I was considering some land in Chile. Please do not suggest they move there.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to tell you that those people have been now buying land in Patagonia for a long time and at this time they even have a small town where 60% of the population is Jewish.
2005-02-11 00:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]Apparently the Bible says that God did not do away with the Jews after all.[/QUOTE]
You'll have to clarify what you mean by "do away with", SS. If you mean by what St. Paul instructs Titus,
For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
then no, our Good Lord has evidently not "done away with" Jews, or at least warning us against their false doctrines.
But if you mean to imply that jews, as a particular race or ethnicity, continue to hold some special favor or 'choseness', then you are just flat-out wrong.
2005-02-11 00:46 | User Profile
..........
2005-02-11 06:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=ErikD]Then that Cretan prophet must have been lying.[/QUOTE]
Good point.
2005-02-11 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]This is what Paul (Rav Shaul) says about the "the Jews" remembering Paul is a Jew[/QUOTE]
Does Paul teach that the Jews are the enemies of the gospel?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
Walter
2005-02-11 16:22 | User Profile
What [color=red]does[/color] Paul say about the the Jews.
Again, you need to know what Jews he was speaking about.
One does not take a single scripture and make a complete theology about it.
Take off your Roman greco mindset and put on you hebrew mindset.
What we really need to do is ask Jesus what it means. Ask and he will tell you.
It is clear from the scripture that not all jews are enemies, but those that were enemies for your sake in that day, so that the lost sheep of Israel would come in. Jesus was the only way someone like you could be grafted on to the vine to have knowledge of the Messiah and the Torah
2005-02-11 16:33 | User Profile
There is no scripture that shows that Jews are done away with.
God does not change so his commands and promises do not change.
The only thing that has changed is the teachings by men.
2005-02-11 16:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]It is clear from the scripture that not all jews are enemies, but those that were enemies for your sake in that day, so that the lost sheep of Israel would come in. Jesus was the only way someone like you could be grafted on to the vine to have knowledge of the Messiah and the Torah[/QUOTE]
Christ is the only way any of us are grafted on to the vine. The key thing to keep in mind is that is entirely due to the grace of God, not human jewry.
I'm not sure what your point is here, SS. Is it your contention that ethnic/racial jews do not need Christ in order to obtain salvation? Or merely that modern-day jews should be somehow held in some kind of special esteem by Christians over and above any other race/ethnicity?
2005-02-11 16:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]There is no scripture that shows that Jews are done away with.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "done away with", SS. Obviously there are still people that identify as racial jews. I racially identify as a white germanic caucasian. What's your point?
2005-02-11 16:58 | User Profile
Contrarily, we Jews routinely depict ourselves in repugnant caricatures of people you'd want nothing to do with in real life. Why do my colleagues in Jewish communal leadership never condemn this anti-Semitism?
Because they are too busy A. Making money, and B. Denying white people the same [I]communal leadership[/I] they take for granted.
2005-02-11 18:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]What [color=red]does[/color] Paul say about the the Jews. [/QUOTE]
Paul says unambiguously that the Jews are the enemies of the Gospel of Christ.
You seem uncomfortable with that.
Please answer the question directly.
Are the Jews the enemies of the Gospel?
Stop avoiding the question.
A simple yes or no answer will suffice.
2005-02-11 19:52 | User Profile
What does Paul say, it is easy to read
Some of these Jews, [color=darkred]only some[/color] were the enemies of the gospel for the sake of the goy the gentiles the nations.
But not all of the Jews Paul mentions, for he himself is a JEW.
Are you discerning what I am saying. The Scriptures are clear on this point.
So therefore, not all "Jews" can be enemies of the gospel or the good news.
For he came to make one new man out of 2.
Ephesians 5:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. 11 Therefore, remember, that at one time, you, the nations in the flesh, who are called "foreskins" by what is called the "circumcision," which is made in the flesh by hands -- 12 remember that you were at that season separate from Messiah, alienated from the commonwealth of Yisrael, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Messiah Yeshua you who were once far off have been brought near by the blood of Messiah. 14 For He Himself is our peace, Who made both groups one, and loosened the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by rendering inoperative the enmity, the religious Law of commandments contained in dogma, that in Himself He might make the two into one renewed man, making peace, 16 and might completely reconcile them in one body to God through the cross, by having killed the enmity.
And who are these 2 Yeshua Jesus made one new man out of?
See Ez 37
Also, we need to be very careful of bible translators as well and educate ourselves to the Jewish hebraic idioms of the day.
2005-02-11 20:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]Are you discerning what I am saying. The Scriptures are clear on this point.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not following you.
Did Paul say that the Jews are the enemies of the Gospel or not?
I agree that the Scriptures are clear on this point.
Please stop avoiding the question.
2005-02-11 20:13 | User Profile
Jesus is a Jew
How can all jews be enemies to the gospel?
It is jewish Gospel as they were all Jews that Jesus was adminstering to.
The Bible is a Jewish book. But written for all to come to repentence.
So then were some Jewish people who were enemies to the Gospel, but on that score a whole lot more Romans and Greeks of the day that are enemies to Paul.
Paul was a Rabbi
2005-02-11 20:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ] Paul was a Rabbi[/QUOTE]
That would have been [I]Saul[/I], no?
What we have here is a failure to communicate. Would an Orthodox Jew call an atheist like Karl Marx a Jew? Can one be a Jew and a Christian at the same time? Completely depends on one's definition, and more importantly the definition in biblical times
2005-02-11 20:25 | User Profile
no.
Rav Shaul. Paul
He is still a Jew.
2005-02-11 20:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ] How can all jews be enemies to the gospel?[/QUOTE] The Jews that accepted Jesus after the Resurrection became Christians, and saw Him as the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies. The only ones that remained 'Jews' were those that turned away from the gospel. Thus, for the last 2000 years, the defining element of Jewish identity has been rejection of Christ.
2005-02-11 20:29 | User Profile
But yet Jesus is still a Jew. His mother is still a Jew
Paul is still a Jew.
That is only your definition.
There are ethnically jewish people who beleive in the Jewish Messiah Jesus.
See Ez 37 for the one new man as in Romans 11
The scriptures are clear.
God does not change.
Nor does his feasts festivals or sabbaths
Those were changed by men (or worse)
2005-02-11 21:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]How can all jews be enemies to the gospel? [/QUOTE]
I didn't say that, Paul did.
I repeat the question yet again: did Paul say that the Jews are the enemies of the Gospel, or not?
STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION.
2005-02-11 21:38 | User Profile
[COLOR=Blue][B]1 Thessalonians:
2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. [/B] [/COLOR]
2005-02-11 21:44 | User Profile
If you are not a Jew then you are their "enemy", simple.
I am not talking about them going around killing all goys, but screwing all goys as much as they can in every way they can.
That's the reason why they have been kicked out of over 60 countries and not killed right away.
That is to say, till they declared an open war on Germany and Herr Hitler on March 2 of 1933 and that's a matter of record.
And even if someone nuke out the state of Israel it would not really matter, after all their capital is in Washington DC and their people all over the world.
2005-02-11 22:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Blue][B]1 Thessalonians:
2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. [/B] [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Great quote.
So, for our new friend Scripturesez, Paul teaches us that the Jews killed Jesus, and that (no surprise here) they are the enemies of the Gospel.
Scripturesez, are you still with us?
2005-02-11 22:07 | User Profile
Why is it so many Christians are so afraid to criticize the Jews? Surely they are aware that Jews hold Christians in the lowest regard? Do they know who it is behind the yearly attack on public displays of Christianity during the "holiday season"? Are they not aware who is behind the 24/7 slandering of Christians in the movies and tv programs?
2005-02-11 22:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Why is it so many Christians are so afraid to criticize the Jews? Surely they are aware that Jews hold Christians in the lowest regard? Do they know who it is behind the yearly attack on public displays of Christianity during the "holiday season"? Are they not aware who is behind the 24/7 slandering of Christians in the movies and tv programs?[/QUOTE]
The same reason Peter denied Christ. Fear of the rich and powerful combined with a sycophantic desire to curry favor with them.
You really see that among Freeper types. They'll do anything to cop a feeling that they're close to power, that the wealthy and powerful appreciate them. They know instinctively that Jews run our country and through it much of the world, and so they praise those whom St. Paul called the enemies of the Gospel and the killers of Christ so that they can feel simpatico with them. "Judeo-Christianity" (which is a patent oxymoron) is designed to allow these same types to deny Christ to the "Judeo" powers that control this world even as they assuage their consciences that they somehow nevertheless remain "Christians."
In short, they lie to themselves. Orwell called it "doublethink."
2005-02-11 23:02 | User Profile
Why do Christians (or so called) need to critizize? [color=darkred]Hebrews 13:1 öLet brotherly love continue.[/color]
[color=#8b0000][/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] Does not scripture say:
Hebrews 8:8 [color=#8b0000]8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS ADONAI, WHEN I WILL ACCOMPLISH A RENEWED COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF YISRAEL(ephraim) AND THE HOUSE OF YEHUDAH;[/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] [color=black]Oops looks like Jesus came for this reason! [/color] [color=black]Who is the whole house? The 12 tribes back together again is the WHOLE HOUSE of ISRAEL. [/color] [color=black][/color] [color=darkred]Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came from Heaven a noise like a violent, rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] [color=black]Who are them? People not the torah or the law or the covenant[/color] [color=black]to say there is something wrong with the covenant you are saying there is something wrong with the [/color][color=red]giver.[/color]
Here we see that God did not change his word but made a fulfilled covenant:
Jesus says. [color=darkred]Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[/color]
Jesus, the Messiah, The word, the law, the torah, the memra of God.
[color=darkred]John 1:1 öIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 öAnd the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.[/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] [color=#8b0000][/color] [color=black]And again it is written: (caps are in the translation for those of you who buy into that sort of thing)[/color]
[color=darkred]Hebrews 7[/color] [color=darkred]28 For the Torah appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came later than the Torah, appoints a Son Who has been brought to the goal forever.[/color] [color=darkred]Hebrews 8[/color] [color=darkred]1 Now the summary concerning what has been said is this: we have such a High Priest, Who has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in Heaven, 2 a Servant in the Sanctuary and in the true Tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to bring both offerings and sacrifices, wherefore it is necessary that this High Priest also has something to bring. 4 Now if He were on Earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are already those who bring the offerings according to the Torah; 5 who serve unto an example and shadow of the Heavenly things, just as Moshe was warned by God when he was about to erect the Tabernacle, saying, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN WHICH WAS SHOWN TO YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN." 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent service, by as much as He is also the Mediator of a better covenant which has been enacted as Torah on better promises. 7 For if the first had been faultless, there would have been no place sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS ADONAI, WHEN I WILL ACCOMPLISH A RENEWED COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF YISRAEL AND THE HOUSE OF YEHUDAH; 9 "NOT LIKE THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND OUT OF THE LAND OF MITZRAYIM, FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I PAID NO ATTENTION TO THEM, SAYS ADONAI. 10 "FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL GRANT WITH THE HOUSE OF YISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS ADONAI, I WILL PUT MY TORAHS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL INSCRIBE THEM UPON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE." 11 "AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS fellow CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER SAYING, `KNOW ADONAI,ô FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM. 12 "FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE." 13 In saying, "renewed," He has made the first old, and whatever is becoming old and aging is ready to disappear. [/color] [color=darkred][/color] [color=darkred][color=black]God does not change. [/color][/color] [color=darkred] [color=#000000]Jesus, the Messiah, The word, the law, the torah, the memra of God.[/color] [color=#000000][/color] [color=#000000]And he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Ephraim and Judah.[/color] [color=#000000][/color] [/color]
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