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Thread ID: 16422 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-01-25
2005-01-25 16:23 | User Profile
Just in time for the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.
[B]The First Holocaust of the 20th Century:[/B]
[url]http://wsi.matriots.com/first_holocaust.html[/url]
2005-01-25 16:28 | User Profile
I make it a point to tell folks about this for there are far too many people who seem to believe that the two key events of the 20th century was the "holocaust" and the best thing the "civil rights movement." Nothing else matters to them.
Oh, and Franco, happy "holocaust" day.
2005-01-25 16:40 | User Profile
[I]It never ends.....[/I]
[B][SIZE=4]Schroeder deplores Auschwitz evil[/SIZE][/B]
[B]The Nazis murdered six million Jews and many others German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has called for vigilance to counter anti-Semitism as the world remembers the Nazi crimes committed at Auschwitz. "The overwhelming majority of Germans living today do not bear guilt for the Holocaust. But they do bear a special responsibility," he said. [/B]
Germans have a duty "to be vigilant, not to look away," he told a gathering in Berlin, among them camp survivors.
Thursday is the 60th anniversary of the Auschwitz death camp liberation.
Six million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust. Millions of others - mostly Poles, Roma (Gypsies), Soviet prisoners and homosexuals - were used as slave labour in appalling conditions and many of them died.
The UN General Assembly held a session on Monday to mark the liberation anniversary.
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[B]Nazi popularity [/B] Mr Schroeder said the evil of the Holocaust could not simply be blamed on the "demon Hitler" and reminded Germans that ordinary people had supported the Nazis.
"The evil of Nazi ideology did not come from nowhere. There was definitely a process that led up to the brutalisation of thought and the loss of moral inhibitions.
"But above all, Nazi ideology was wanted by humans and made by humans." COLOR=Red
He expressed his shame for the suffering at Auschwitz and elsewhere inflicted by the Nazis.
"It is the common duty of all democrats to confront the offensive agitation of the neo-Nazis and their continuing attempts to minimise Nazi crimes," he told the gathering at Berlin's German Theatre, organised by the International Auschwitz Committee.
"No strong democracy should tolerate the enemies of democracy and tolerance."
[B]Remembering victims [/B]
Germany's national Holocaust memorial, next to Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, is due to open in May, and Mr Schroeder said it would be "a signal against forgetting".
"That there is still anti-Semitism cannot be denied. It is the duty of all society to fight against it."
On Monday UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the United Nations - founded shortly after the end of World War II - must do everything in its power to prevent a repeat of the slaughter undertaken by Nazi Germany.
"We rightly say, 'Never again'. But action is much harder," he told the UN.
"The world has, to its shame, failed more than once to prevent or halt genocide - for instance in Cambodia, in Rwanda, and in the former Yugoslavia," he said. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4204465.stm[/url]
2005-01-25 18:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] "No strong democracy should tolerate the enemies of democracy and tolerance."[/QUOTE] Is he really this obtuse? This statement is ridiculous on its face. We will not 'tolerate' the enemies of 'tolerance'? Then is he not advocating (gasp!) intolerance? He is praising tolerance by being intolerant of intolerance. Would not the best way to show a true commitment to 'tolerance' be to demonstrate tolerance towards intolerance? Or if you tolerate intolerance, does that make you intolerant? Okay, I'll stop now. This is giving me a headache.
2005-01-25 18:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"That there is still anti-Semitism cannot be denied. It is the duty of all society to fight against it."-Gerhard Schroeder [/QUOTE]
What about fighting anti-White-ism? Illegal immigration? Illegal wars? Loss of jobs? Cultural degradation? Pornography?
2005-01-25 18:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]What about fighting anti-White-ism? Illegal immigration? Illegal wars? Loss of jobs? Cultural degradation? Pornography?[/QUOTE] His quote also begs the question -- why exactly is it the 'duty' of 'all society' to fight anti-Semitism?
2005-01-25 18:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Is he really this obtuse? This statement is ridiculous on its face. We will not 'tolerate' the enemies of 'tolerance'? Then is he not advocating (gasp!) intolerance? He is praising tolerance by being intolerant of intolerance. Would not the best way to show a true commitment to 'tolerance' be to demonstrate tolerance towards intolerance? Or if you tolerate intolerance, does that make you intolerant? Okay, I'll stop now. This is giving me a headache.[/QUOTE]
Good point, Q!
Check this out:
[QUOTE]"The word 'tolerant' means 'liberal,' 'broad-minded,' 'willing to put up with beliefs opposed to one's convictions' and 'the allowance of something not wholly approved.' Tolerance, in one sense, implies the compromise of one's convictions, a yielding of ground upon important issues. Hence, our tolerance in moral issues has made us soft, flabby and devoid of convictions. We have become tolerant about divorce; we have become tolerant about the use of alcohol; we have become tolerant about delinquency; we have become tolerant about wickedness in high places; we have become tolerant about immorality; we have become tolerant about crime and we have become tolerant about godlessness."
From The Sin of Tolerance by Rev. Billy Graham[/QUOTE]
But if one is intolerant of the things Billy Graham lists, then are we guilty of "hate"?! What exactly would it take to NOT tolerate the things Graham, or even Schroeder, says we should NOT tolerate?? This kind of rhetoric leads to some strange things, I'd say. Can't we leave it all up to God instead?
2005-01-25 23:17 | User Profile
Not to be a nitpick or anything, but the Armenian genocide in Ottoman Turkey happened even before the Russian revolution...
Petr
2005-01-26 01:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Not to be a nitpick or anything, but the Armenian genocide in Ottoman Turkey happened even before the Russian revolution...[/QUOTE] Well, the fact that there were two forgotten holocausts before the Holocaust (tm) actually supports the point the article is trying to make. Nobody cares about the other two, though. What's 30 million dead Christians, when you have some dead Jews to worry about?
2005-01-26 02:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Well, the fact that there were two forgotten holocausts before the Holocaust (tm) actually supports the point the article is trying to make. Nobody cares about the other two, though. What's 30 million dead Christians, when you have some dead Jews to worry about?[/QUOTE]
Well, as I have pointed out elsewhere, the Armenian genocide was tiny. In fact, it overlapped [time-wise] the Soviet event, if my memory serves me.
2005-01-26 03:48 | User Profile
To paraphrase what an observant OD member posted a while ago:
"Only My Problems Matter" - By A. Joo
2005-01-27 05:25 | User Profile
Re: The First Holocaust of the 20th Century post, above [i.e. the first post]:
That page now has a small correction, in the text and also the footnote, which concerns V. Lenin's wife, who may not have been Jewish as was alleged on that page. Any inconvenience that that info may have caused is regretted.
2005-01-27 06:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Is he really this obtuse? This statement is ridiculous on its face. We will not 'tolerate' the enemies of 'tolerance'?[/QUOTE]Perfect doublespeak. If it doesn't make sense to you or anyone else here, I'm sure Schroeder's friends would be happy to send you to a "reeducation camp".
2005-01-27 17:19 | User Profile
[color=Purple]Other genocides? What other genocides? Oy ve! Don't you stupid goyim know that only Jewish lives matter?[/color] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]**
Some Jewish groups wary of expanded study of genocide ** [/size][/font] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]January 25, 2005[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]**BY BEN FISCHER Sun-Times Springfield Bureau ** <!-- Empty line is needed -->[/size][/font]
<!--publication CST -->[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois students would have to study all acts of genocide, not just the Holocaust as state law currently requires, under a proposal being pushed by two Chicago area legislators.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]But some Jewish groups blasted the proposed legislation Monday, saying the plan would minimize the mass murder of European Jews and other groups by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]**"The Holocaust -- that's capital-letter-H Holocaust -- stands as a singularly unique tragedy in the course of human history**," said Richard Hirschhaut, executive director of the Holocaust Memorial Foundation in Skokie. "It represents the first instance of a highly sophisticated and technologically advanced society applying all of its resources toward the elimination of an entire people."[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]The 1990 Illinois Holocaust Education Mandate, championed by the foundation, was the first law in the United States to require all schools to include instruction about the Holocaust. [/size][/font]
<!--startsubhead-->[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2][size=3]**Massacres since the Holocaust cited**[/size][/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]State Rep. John Fritchey (D-Chicago) has introduced a bill to amend the Illinois law to include other acts of genocide, and insert language emphasizing its recurring nature. Rep. Paul Froehlich (R-Schaumburg) signed on as a co-sponsor.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]Citing modern-day atrocities committed in places like Rwanda, Cambodia and Bosnia, Fritchey said it's important to teach kids that genocide didn't end for good in 1945.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]"A student walks away with one understanding if they think [genocide] is an isolated incident," Fritchey said, expressing "sincere surprise" at the plan's opposition. "They have quite a different one once they see that it's happened with a sense of disturbing regularity."[/size][/font]
<!--startsubhead-->[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2][size=3]**Retain the special importance**[/size][/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]Jewish groups were careful to support the basic idea behind Fritchey's proposal, but insisted any amendments must retain the special importance of the Holocaust.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]"We certainly view it as a priority that any additional genocide education, which is worthy, comes as additive, and not at the expense of Holocaust education," said Adam Schupack, spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]The Jewish Community Relations Council is still evaluating the bill and will be consulting with education specialists to formulate a position, director Jay Tcath said. A spokesman for the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago and Illinois was unavailable Monday.[/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]Both Fritchey and the interest groups said they are willing to find a compromise. [/size][/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2]House Bill 312 is in the preliminary phases. Spokesmen for both House Speaker Michael Madigan (D-Chicago) and House Minority Leader Tom Cross (R-Oswego) said they would need time to study the bill before taking a position.[/size][/font]
[url="http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-genocide25.html"]http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-genocide25.html[/url]
2005-01-27 20:03 | User Profile
The only reason that this special so calle "Holocaust" is so special is that the Jews have the money to make it "special" and is nothing more than the focus point of the Zionists and a money making machine.
I wonder how many "real" Jews, semites , were really killed by Herr Hitler.