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Thread ID: 16348 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2005-01-19
2005-01-19 03:02 | User Profile
[I]As KJV-onlyists always remember to remind us, Zondervan is owned by Rupert Murdoch...[/I]
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[B][SIZE=4]And the word is 'update'[/SIZE]
Tue Jan 18, 9:25 AM ET Top Stories - USATODAY.com
By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY [/B]
Advertising isn't the only challenge facing Today's New International Version of the Bible.
The complete Bible will arrive in stores in mid-February. [B]But when the TNIV New Testament was released in 2002, it was attacked by some scholars who said it didn't just update language; it tampered with theology. And 118 critics signed a letter listing their complaints.[/B]
For Christians, every word change is measured against the Scripture's purpose: to guide a reader's life in this world by the light of God and to give readers the prospect of eternal life by bringing them, through Jesus, to salvation.
Because each verb, noun and pronoun shapes a vision of God and humanity, errors are like miscalculating the path of a rocket: One tiny navigational shift can send everything spiraling in the wrong direction.
Zondervan says the TNIV was essential for accuracy, clarity and accessibility, the same reasons it created the 1978 New International Version, translated by the International Bible Society.
Changes are not willy-nilly. Exodus still says, "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife." Jesus still speaks of the prodigal son in Luke.
But more archaic terms are ousted, and new usage is recognized. After all, Webster added 10,000 words and made 100,000 changes in dictionary definitions in a decade, says Ben Irwin, head of Zondervan's publishing division aimed at the under 35-crowd.
In the TNIV, "inner parts" is now "internal organs." Likewise, words were substituted if the old ones have acquired a new connotation. Once "alien" only meant "foreigner," not an extraterrestrial, says John Stek, chairman of the Committee on Bible Translation, who worked on both the NIV and the TNIV. "We were not at all interested in using language that will be here today, gone tomorrow, or adolescent colloquialisms. We wanted language we judged was durable."
Stek points to Psalm 1:1 in NIV, which begins "Blessed is the man."
In the TNIV, it's "Blessed are those," because it's clearly meant for everyone, Stek says. But "Blessed" hangs on even though most modern translations shift that to say "happy."
"Readers today think 'happy' is about a mood. The Psalm reference isn't to mood, it's to a state of well being, being blessed, just as it is in the Beatitudes, which echoes this language," Stek says.
But theologians don't go to war over such tweaks. They hear a call to arms over gender changes that whittle out masculine language. For example, in Hebrews, "God is treating you as sons" in earlier translations, but in the TNIV, it's "children."
The change is not only unnecessary, it undermines the most essential quality of a Bible translation - trustworthiness, says Wayne Grudem, author of The TNIV and the Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy and a professor of the Bible and theology at Phoenix Seminary in Scottsdale.
"How would you like to read a Bible where you don't know what words you can trust? People memorize the Bible. They pray on it. They want to trust every word," says Grudem.
Grudem is wary of editing a Bible with young adults in mind.
"Every reader knows the Bible is an ancient document and that you have to translate it as it really is, even if you might have said something differently today. People easily figure out that this (content) is eternal. They get it. ... It's not that hard."
But why not make it easy and appealing? asks Paul Caminiti, president of Bible publishing for Zondervan. "When Jesus was on the Earth, he came to people's level. He didn't say, 'Come to my level.' "[/COLOR]
2005-01-19 03:26 | User Profile
At least they didn't translate the the Trinity as Big Daddy, Little Daddy, and Spook :lol:
I didn't realize they'd only came out with a NT. We'd already gone through this I thought a long time ago.
It really seems like just a constant move among Bible scholars - they're always coming out with new feminist friendly editions these days. Someone was just talking about the SBC's new translation recently.
Maybe Walter was right, and the Catholic Church's medieval policy of taking scholars who put out new Bible translations and burning them at the stake wasn't so bad after all :glare:
2005-01-19 11:57 | User Profile
Personally I think Walter is right on a lot of times O.
Just from the short time I've been on this forum his posts have helped me to better understand the doctrines of the Catholic Church, to grow as a Christian, and to grow in my Traditional Catholic faith......I consider it a privilege and also an excellent learning experience to reside in the same forum as WY.
Regards, vytis
'The Armour of God begins with Truth'
2005-01-19 14:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] Maybe Walter was right, and the Catholic Church's medieval policy of taking scholars who put out new Bible translations and burning them at the stake wasn't so bad after all :glare:[/QUOTE] Well, whether you agree with that policy or not, this kind of stuff is exactly what they were guarding against.
2005-01-19 17:36 | User Profile
I am a non-religious person and I say that not one word of The Bible should had or should ever be changed, you could interpret The Bible according to the times and changes but not the actual book.
It is bad enought that it took over 400 years to make Tha Bible and 90% of what was written was done by those who controlled the final meeting.
Do I believe in The Bible? yes but only as an history book, do I beliebe in Jesus? yes but only as a good man and not a "holy" man or the son of God.
Man creates their Gods, Saints and or belief according to their needs, as The Bible is being changed now, which have nothing to do with real history.
Searh for "The Force", yes I call the The Force", in your heart and not in the mouth of man or their so called churches.....what is said or made by man was done for man and not for "God" for no man can talk for "God".
2005-01-19 17:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]It is bad enought that it took over 400 years to make Tha Bible and 90% of what was written was done by those who controlled the final meeting.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that story? (Reference please). It was an original claim of the Bible skeptics that now has been thoroughly disproven.
2005-01-19 20:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Searh for "The Force", yes I call the The Force", in your heart and not in the mouth of man or their so called churches.....what is said or made by man was done for man and not for "God" for no man can talk for "God".[/QUOTE]
Therefore we can truly know nothing and everything is completely relative. I'm sorry Ponce, but that philosophy is just intellectually lazy and I hope you would think through to the logical results of such a belief-system.
2005-01-20 04:56 | User Profile
How about that. A new Bible for a less faithful generation.
I wonder what the next round of Bible translations will hold.
2005-01-20 05:44 | User Profile
Okie? beats the hell out of me as to where I read it but I did read it at 3 or 4 places a few years ago as you know in the past 50 years there has been 3 different versions of the Bible, and that's only in the past 50 years.
Tex? If what I wrote makes me "lazy" then I guess I am for that's what I feel, when you keep it simple then the answer is a simple one. If you place man into the equation then the aswer is a hard one.
2005-01-20 14:39 | User Profile
GRAND RAPIDS, Michigan (AP) -- -- Rolling Stone magazine declined to run an advertisement for a new translation of the Bible aimed at young people, the nation's largest Bible publisher said Wednesday... "we are not in the business of publishing advertising for religious messages."
Rolling Stone magazine refused to run an ad for TNIV. Looking at Rolling Stone magazine, it looks like they're in the business of running ads on just about everything else. Albeit, with an emphases on Drugs, Sex, and Rock-n-Roll.
As corrupt as the TNIV may be, it still represents Christianity. And, in modern American, Christianity is being shoved in the closet while the homosexuals dance around.
2005-01-20 15:20 | User Profile
Happy Hacker,
What else could we expect from Rolling Stone's Jew publisher, Jann S. Wenner?????
Regards, vytis
'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'