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Thread ID: 16329 | Posts: 27 | Started: 2005-01-17
2005-01-17 05:04 | User Profile
[I]Your Muslim immigrants seem to be getting quite uppity - they are already enforcing sharia laws against dhimmis who vocally oppose Islam![/I]
[I]These kind of events prove that opposing Judaism is not any freaking reason - in itself - to support Islam in any manner.[/I]
[url]http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm[/url]
[SIZE=4]'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS [/SIZE] [B] By DOUGLAS MONTERO and STEFAN C. FRIEDMAN [/B]
[B]January 16, 2005 -- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online — and the gruesome quadruple slaying may have been the hateful retaliation, sources told The Post yesterday. [/B]
Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.
[B]Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com.
He "had the reputation for being one of the most outspoken Egyptian Christians," said the source, who had close ties to the family. [/B]
The source, who had knowledge of the investigation, refused to specify the anti-Muslim statement. But he said cops told him they were looking into the exchanges as a possible motive.
The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat room.
[B]"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange. [/B]
But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site.
Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."
"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.
Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia — who would have turned 16 yesterday.
"She was very religious and very opinionated," said Jessica Cimino, 15, a fellow sophomore at Dickenson HS.
[B]A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment. [/B]
"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.
The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.
Also found murdered were the wife, Amal Garas, and the parents' other daughter, Monica.
Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church, where the deeply religious family attended services, said he's worried that the murders could have a ripple effect.
"I am concerned for the safety of our community," said Ayed, who knew Hossam for 30 years. "People are scared because one family was slain like cows," said Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local newspaper for the Coptic community.
Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, described the relationship between Copts and Muslims as cooperative if not friendly.
"I think there might be people that can get into physical fights, but not to the point of murder," Hassan said.
Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.
[B]"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything." [/B]
The FBI confirmed it has been called in to help with the case.
Additional reporting by Heather Gilmore
2005-01-17 05:39 | User Profile
More info on these slayings:
[url]http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-19/110586420098510.xml#continue[/url]
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=3][B]Argument over faiths probed in killing of 4 [/SIZE] [/COLOR]
Jersey City man received chat-room death threat [/B]
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[I]"The attack has hit equally hard in the tight-knit Coptic community. Yesterday, the Coptic Business Association of Jersey City offered a $500,000 reward for information leading to an arrest.
"[B]Christian blood is not cheap," said the group's president, Adel Agib[/B]. "We want to know who killed them. We want to catch them.""[/I] ...
Petr
2005-01-17 05:47 | User Profile
Any chance this will prosecuted as a "Hate Crime"? :angry:
2005-01-17 05:57 | User Profile
What a mess America has become, that this is happening here!
2005-01-17 05:57 | User Profile
Yes.
2005-01-17 06:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B]January 16, 2005 -- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online [/QUOTE]Also a little warning about our on-line activities, and why we're so careful. Don't think its a concern only to Egyptian Coptics. :ph34r:
2005-01-17 06:35 | User Profile
I don't imagine the Jersy coptic community if very big.
2005-01-17 06:40 | User Profile
Ah, the joys of diversity. Bring back the good old days when a couple of drunken Irishmen could have a knock down, drag out fight at the local tavern, then be back the next weekend buying each other a beer. :box:
2005-01-17 06:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Any chance this will prosecuted as a "Hate Crime"? :angry:[/QUOTE]
No. Don't you know rules? Only whites are capable of "hate".
2005-01-17 07:41 | User Profile
We need more of this. I know it's hard to hear, but the more anti-Muslim sentiment we can generate the better for us.
We need a Crusade, mostly because that implies an Inquisition.
This inches us closer to Crusade. We need to remove all the foreign elements in our society, and while Muslims are one of the foreign elements, they aren't the only one.
Islam is a great place to start.
2005-01-17 15:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman]No. Don't you know rules? Only whites are capable of "hate".[/QUOTE]
Whites [I]and[/I] Arabs, where you been man?
2005-01-17 16:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE][B]January 16, 2005 -- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online ââ¬â [/B]
[B]Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com. [/B] [/QUOTE]
Hmm, the article highlights that the crime originated from an 'online dispute' more than once. Take note that the media will push this meme until forums and chat websites are effectively deemed to promote "terrorist" behavior and summarily banned.
2005-01-17 17:41 | User Profile
Soon there will be a religious war which to me is wrong, at least in the US however something should be done about the Zionists.
2005-01-17 18:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Whites [I]and[/I] Arabs, where you been man?[/QUOTE]
Arabs are only capable of "hating" Jews.
2005-01-17 19:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman]Arabs are only capable of "hating" Jews.[/QUOTE]
You got it.
2005-01-17 19:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman]Arabs are only capable of "hating" Jews.[/QUOTE]
Zionists are not Jews but Khazards therefore Arabs don't hate Jews but Khazard Zionists.
There was peace between the real Jews and the Arabs before the Zionists emigrated from Norther Europe to Palestine, remember that the real Jews and the Arabs are both Semites.
Get rid of the Zionists and you will get rid of 80% of all wars on planet Earth.
2005-01-17 19:37 | User Profile
I don't think Ashkenazi Jews are central Asians but rather a northern European/ Jewish mix.
2005-01-17 19:41 | User Profile
Bardamu, I've just started to read Celine's "Voyage au bout de la nuit" (Journey to the End of the Night) and NOW I understand where you're coming from!!
2005-01-17 19:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Bardamu, I've just started to read Celine's "Voyage au bout de la nuit" (Journey to the End of the Night) and NOW I understand where you're coming from!![/QUOTE]
Took you long enough. :thumbsup:
2005-01-17 19:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I don't think Ashkenazi Jews are central Asians but rather a northern European/ Jewish mix.[/QUOTE]
So called Khazard Jews are the ones that emigrated to Northern Europe from Central Asia and then went all over the world including Palestine.
Why should a real Jew go from Palestine to Northern Europe? no way Jose.
2005-01-17 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Whites [I]and[/I] Arabs, where you been man?[/QUOTE]
Arabs are only capable of "hating" Jews.
2005-01-18 02:22 | User Profile
[I][B] - "There was peace between the real Jews and the Arabs before the Zionists emigrated from Norther Europe to Palestine, remember that the real Jews and the Arabs are both Semites."[/B][/I]
This is largely an idealistic fiction - majority of Meir Kahane's and Kach supporters were and are Oriental Jews.
Petr
2005-01-18 03:11 | User Profile
[url]http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6836444[/url]
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]Muslim-Christian tensions boil over in N.J.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
[SIZE=3][B]Slain family's funeral turns into melee[/B][/SIZE]
[B]The Associated Press Updated: 6:24 p.m. ET Jan. 17, 2005[/B]
JERSEY CITY, N.J. - A funeral for an Egyptian Christian couple and their two daughters slain last week devolved into a melee after the services Monday, with mourners shoving and punching each other as many blamed Muslims for the killings.
Investigators are looking into the possibility that Hossam Armanious, 47, his 37-year-old wife, Amal Garas, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were slain by a Muslim angered over postings that the father wrote in an Internet chat room.
The family is part of the Coptic Orthodox Church, whose members make up about 10 percent of Egypt’s population. Copts generally live in peace with Muslims, but violence has flared in Egypt recently, including protests last month that flared into stone-throwing and arrests.
The New Jersey family’s bodies were found bound and gagged Friday, their throats and heads stabbed repeatedly. No arrests have been made.
Authorities stressed that robbery remained a possible motive because no cash or jewelry were found in the home. Prosecutor Guy Gregory said the father’s wallet was found empty.
[B]‘Welcome Bin Laden’[/B]
Despite the possibility of robbery, the slayings have created enormous tensions between Muslims and Christians here. The acrimony became apparent as soon as four copper caskets holding the bodies were carried through the streets of New Jersey’s second-largest city to a church.
Protesters carrying anti-Muslim signs and shouting anti-Islam slogans prompted several scuffles with mourners, who rebuked the protesters for having no respect for the dead or the grieving relatives. One sign, above a photograph of the smiling family, read, “American Family Beheaded on American Soil. Welcome Bin Laden.” Another read “Terrorists Reached Our Home.”
[B]“Muslims as a group kill people,” said Ashaf Baul, a marchers at the head of the procession. “Nobody else slaughters people. If it was a robbery, why tie their hands and cut their heads?”[/B]
But others in the procession took offense at such talk.
“Get out! We don’t need any talk about Sept. 11 or Muslims!” yelled Amil Sarofiem, a church official, to a man who was shouting anti-Muslim slogans.
[B]Punch-up in the street[/B]
Once the bodies were loaded into four black hearses to be taken to a cemetery, more clashes broke out in the street outside the church, including one in which about 35 people shoved each other and traded punches. Police officers pushed several against cars to separate them from the fray as the fight spilled into a parking garage.
Inside the church, Ferial Karas, Garas’ sister-in-law, screamed as the caskets came into view. She jumped out of her seat in the first row of portable chairs and raced toward one of the coffins, flinging herself on it and sobbing. With that, scores of screams and wails rose from other mourners in the crowd of 2,000 that packed so tightly into the building that police had to turn away an additional 300 who sought to push their way inside.
[B]One man inside the church began screaming “Muslim is the killer! Muslim is the killer!” He was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove off.[/B]
Ahmed Sheded, president of the Islamic Center of Jersey City who attended the ceremony, denounced the slayings.
“We feel this is something that was very far away from our community,” he said. “A real Muslim can’t do that. Any religious person who believes in God cannot do this, even to an animal.”
The regional head of the Coptic church also cautioned against a rush to judgment, but Monir Dowoud, president of the American Coptic Association, said Sunday that “Muslim terrorists” were responsible.
[B]The Coptic Orthodox Church is one of the oldest communities in Christendom. According to tradition it was founded in the first century A.D. by Saint Mark, one of the 12 apostles of Jesus.[/B]
é 2005 The Associated Press.
2005-01-18 05:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][I][B] - "There was peace between the real Jews and the Arabs before the Zionists emigrated from Norther Europe to Palestine, remember that the real Jews and the Arabs are both Semites."[/B][/I]
This is largely an idealistic fiction - majority of Meir Kahane's and Kach supporters were and are Oriental Jews.
Petr[/QUOTE]
I see Petr, so [B]the real Jews[/B] came from the Middle East and from the Orient? hahahahahahaha Chinese Jews lol.
And I supposed that the real Jews came also from Africa and South America and from the Bahamas and from Cuba juaaaaaaaaaaa you are funny.
As far as I know there is only one real Jewish people and they came from the Middle East and are the Semites, the rest of them are only wana be Khazars that later on became Zionists and are now stealing the land of the Palestinian people, you can try to change history but you cannot change the truth.
2005-01-18 05:23 | User Profile
I also think that Ashkenazi Jews are mostly descended from Khazars - but what the heck are you babbling about?
Petr
2005-01-18 14:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]I also think that Ashkenazi Jews are mostly descended from Khazars - but what the heck are you babbling about?
Petr[/QUOTE]
Petr, Khazaria fell in the 10th Century.
2005-01-18 14:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Petr, Khazaria fell in the 10th Century![/QUOTE]
Solzhenitsyn believes the Khazar theory.
But I would think the controversy could be solved by genetic testing. There seems to be conflicting evidence on this point. On the one hand, it appears that Jews are indeed kin to the Palestinians, and on the other it seems that the Ashkenazi are closely related to the Georgians and Armenians (check them out on the genetic distance webpage, lost the link), which would support the Khazaria theory, at least so one would think.
I read someplace that what happened was that Jewish merchants moved to the Khazaria area to get involved in the silk route and Volga/Caspian/Black Sea trade. A glance at the map indicates Khazaria's strategic location on trade routes. But these merchants were all young men seeking their fortunes in a dangerous place, who wound up taking Khazar wives and raising their children as Jews. If there were enough of them that might account for the conflicting evidence.
I know little about this subject, but to repeat I would think genetic testing would have put the whole issue to bed long ago. What do our resident experts think of the genetic evidence?