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Thread ID: 16286 | Posts: 3 | Started: 2005-01-13
2005-01-13 02:09 | User Profile
Wagner's ideas on Race, meat- eating, and Christianity?
This sounds rather odd? I think Wagner was anti-miscegenation. Is this someone trying to make him more PC? Any thoughts...
What? [QUOTE] The writer, diplomat, historian and racial theorist, Count Gobineau, first met Wagner at Rome in 1876. He stayed with the Wagners in Bayreuth in May-June 1881 and in May-June 1882. Wagner, who was in later life surrounded mainly by much younger men, thought that he had found in Gobineau someone of his own age and a similar outlook. He was interested in Gobineau's theories about miscegenation as expounded in his Essai sur l'inegalité des races humaines (1853-5), although in profound disagreement that this was the cause of the supposed degeneration of the human species. Where Gobineau held that this had come about through interbreeding, Wagner held the view that it was primarily due to meat- eating and that redemption was to be found in the unity of mankind through the pure blood of Christ.
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2005-01-13 05:39 | User Profile
I'm a total vegan (i.e., a vegetarian who doesn't consume milk products, honey, and any derivative of a animal product, e.g., breads, beers, wines, and other products made with animal enzymes [such as rennet]. And of course I don't consume fish or eggs). I never eat out because I can't trust that no cross-contamination has taken place (e.g., I can't eat a cheese-less sub at Subway because they cut the sub with the same knife they used to cut meat subs).
Wagner is on to something. I hold to the position that eating meat is evil and primitive and is a result of the Fall. I hold to a very traditional Biblical Creationist view that takes the position that predatory behavior and the spilling of blood did not exist in the state of Original Justice. Since the state of Original Justice (the harmonious state of the world before the Fall of Humankind) prefigures Heaven, we can see that killing and predatory animalistic behavior is far from the state of Heaven and should be eschewed by anyone desiring to orient themselves toward union with God in His Trinity.
(p.s.- I also eschew wearing leather and other animal products-- save for those products which are humane and do not harm the animal)
2005-01-13 14:24 | User Profile
Jack Cassidy,
Yes This is a more common thinking among some Christians than many would think. I think the Seventh-day Adventists hold something like this idea.
[QUOTE]Since the state of Original Justice (the harmonious state of the world before the Fall of Humankind) prefigures Heaven, we can see that killing and predatory animalistic behavior is far from the state of Heaven and should be eschewed by anyone desiring to orient themselves toward union with God in His Trinity.[/QUOTE]