← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · vytis
Thread ID: 16253 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-01-10
2005-01-10 19:31 | User Profile
"Roman Catholic and Protestant theologians, pastors, and priests arrogantly assert that the racial evaluation of peoples signifies un-Christian 'idolatry.'
But what they overlook however, is that the exceptional position which they attribute to the Jews and anti-Christ Israel, represents nothing other than their own idolatry of the parasitic manipulators who are always so hostile to the churches of Christ they represent.
They prefer likewise, to overlook the simple truth that their blind allegiance and 'glorification' of Jewry together with the unleashing of Jewish impulses, has caused the great impoverishment of our culture and politics....Against which neither has proven themselves capable of successfully fighting."
Alfred Rosenberg (paraphrased)
Regards, vytis 'Fear Nothing But Sin'
2005-01-10 20:41 | User Profile
I was in downtown Milwaukee a while back, and noticed for the first time on the courthouse the inscription along the massive wall just below the dome "vox populi vox dei." The voice of the people is the voice of God.
Now THAT is freeking IDOLATRY. Writ large. In your face.
It really struck me how bizarre it is that an ostensibly Christian people could have written such an abomination on their temple of law and justice.
The whole democratic notion is deeply idolatrous from the get-go, isn't it?
2005-01-10 20:59 | User Profile
[size=4]That's a 10-4 Walter.....A big 10-4![/size]
2005-01-10 21:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] The whole democratic notion is deeply idolatrous from the get-go, isn't it?[/QUOTE] It most certainly is, though it has taken me a number of years to finally be able to stare that reality straight in the face. Americans are so thoroughly indoctrinated in Democracy as God's very own political system that it is a mentally excruciating process for an American to finally come to the realization that democracy is one of the worst forms of government, not the best. The underlying notion of democracy is that if the majority wills something, then that thing is right. It is relativistic and idolotrous to the core; not to mention its practical failings as a workable system of governance. It promotes mediocrity, destroys responsibility, and leads to the rule of the rabble. Americans truly assign to democracy a religious significance, and saying that you disapprove of democracy strikes the average American as blasphemy.
2005-01-11 07:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]It most certainly is, though it has taken me a number of years to finally be able to stare that reality straight in the face. Americans are so thoroughly indoctrinated in Democracy as God's very own political system that it is a mentally excruciating process for an American to finally come to the realization that democracy is one of the worst forms of government, not the best. The underlying notion of democracy is that if the majority wills something, then that thing is right. It is relativistic and idolotrous to the core; not to mention its practical failings as a workable system of governance. It promotes mediocrity, destroys responsibility, and leads to the rule of the rabble. Americans truly assign to democracy a religious significance, and saying that you disapprove of democracy strikes the average American as blasphemy.[/QUOTE]
I must admit that I have only very reluctantly come to this conclusion.
The Bible is the voice of God, not that of the people.
John Rousas Rushdoony was definitely on the right track.
2005-01-11 15:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I must admit that I have only very reluctantly come to this conclusion.
The Bible is the voice of God, not that of the people. [/QUOTE]
As with everything, there's also been the democratization of religion. Luther was a major link in this process, but its gotten much worse since his day. I see this in the antagonism sometimes expressed against the authority of priests, bishops, and patriarchs by comments like: "I don't need any priest telling me what the Bible says."
2005-01-11 16:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]As with everything, there's also been the democratization of religion. Luther was a major link in this process, but its gotten much worse since his day. I see this in the antagonism sometimes expressed against the authority of priests, bishops, and patriarchs by comments like: "I don't need any priest telling me what the Bible says."[/QUOTE]
As opposed to the antagonism of priests, bishops, patriarchs, Holy Divine Eminences and such expressed to laymen, "We don't care what the Scriptures say, you'll believe what we tell you to believe and kiss my ring!"
No thanks.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
2005-01-11 16:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]As opposed to the antagonism of priests, bishops, patriarchs, Holy Divine Eminences and such expressed to laymen, "We don't care what the Scriptures say, you'll believe what we tell you to believe and kiss my ring!"
No thanks. [/QUOTE]
I don't know where you got that quote, but that's a totally inaccurate description of any clergymen I've ever encountered. All the Orthodox clergymen I have encountered have been humble, forgiving, and down-to-earth men.
2005-01-11 17:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]As opposed to the antagonism of priests, bishops, patriarchs, Holy Divine Eminences and such expressed to laymen, "We don't care what the Scriptures say, you'll believe what we tell you to believe and kiss my ring!"[/QUOTE] So, do you think the shephard is 'oppressing' his flock by not letting the sheep run wherever they will? What about the oppression of a father towards his children? It is not up to each sheep to decide for himself whether he should avoid the cliffs or the wolves. Do we not also need guidance? By the way, the reason one kisses the hand of a priest is because that hand has touched the Body of Christ (the Eucharist), not because the priest himself is venerated.
2005-01-11 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]By the way, the reason one kisses the hand of a priest is because that hand has touched the Body of Christ (the Eucharist), not because the priest himself is venerated.[/QUOTE]
Your mouth touches it when you eat it. Do the Orthodox go about kissing each other on the mouth, too? :lol:
2005-01-11 17:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Your mouth touches it when you eat it. Do the Orthodox go about kissing each other on the mouth, too? :lol:[/QUOTE]
The reasons given for kissing the hand of an Orthodox priest or bishop is as Quantrill said, but also to show respect for the eccesiastical office. Note that we don't kiss a deacon's hand specifically because he doesn't handle the Eucharist. But I think its also a demonstration of humility, something that is seldom demonstrated in the democratized sections of Christianity where the congregations consists of self-ordained mini-popes.
2005-01-11 17:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]I don't know where you got that quote, but that's a totally inaccurate description of any clergymen I've ever encountered. All the Orthodox clergymen I have encountered have been humble, forgiving, and down-to-earth men.[/QUOTE]
Then obviously you're not an Orthodox clergyman.
2005-01-11 17:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Then obviously you're not an Orthodox clergyman.[/QUOTE] My parish priest is an extremely humble, wise, and spiritual man. Many of the Protestant pastors I've known have seemed like theology professors. Their academic knowledge of the Bible, ancient Hebrew, and oratory might be immense, but otherwise, they were unremarkable.
2005-01-11 18:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]My parish priest is an extremely humble, wise, and spiritual man. Many of the Protestant pastors I've known have seemed like theology professors. Their academic knowledge of the Bible, ancient Hebrew, and oratory might be immense, but otherwise, they were unremarkable.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that your priest is anything other, Q, and it is not my desire to denigrate him, you or any other sincere Orthodox Christian. I would only ask you to consider that it was the Protestant ministers throughout the centuries that shaped and molded the very culture and people of the Southland you and I both cling to and hold dear and therefore at the very least be considered before you or wild bill make derrogatory comments about giants of the faith like Martin Luther or John Calvin.
2005-01-11 18:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't doubt that your priest is anything other, Q, and it is not my desire to denigrate him, you or any other sincere Orthodox Christian. I would only ask you to consider that it was the Protestant ministers throughout the centuries that shaped and molded the very culture and people of the Southland you and I both cling to and hold dear and therefore at the very least be considered before you or wild bill make derrogatory comments about giants of the faith like Martin Luther or John Calvin.[/QUOTE] I certainly don't wish to denigrate the South in any way, and I would be the first to recognize that the Protestant South produced many great and godly men. My great-great-grandfather, a lieutenant colonel in a North Carolina regiment, was a preacher, as was his father before him. The South, however, as an agrarian, traditionalist civilization that was also Protestant, was an exception. Since the Reformation, Protestantism has been urban, industrialist, and progressive, in general. This article discusses Catholicism in the Old South, and it is an interesting read -- [url="http://www.catholicism.org/pages/oldsouth.htm"]http://www.catholicism.org/pages/oldsouth.htm[/url]
2005-01-12 01:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't doubt that your priest is anything other, Q, and it is not my desire to denigrate him, you or any other sincere Orthodox Christian. I would only ask you to consider that it was the Protestant ministers throughout the centuries that shaped and molded the very culture and people of the Southland you and I both cling to and hold dear and therefore at the very least be considered before you or wild bill make derrogatory comments about giants of the faith like Martin Luther or John Calvin.[/QUOTE]
Tex, I said that Luther's rebellion was one of the main ways Christianity has become democratized by his essential legitimizing unaccountable private interpretation of Scripture. I consider that simply a statement of fact. Do you deny that's true?
2005-01-12 02:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Then obviously you're not an Orthodox clergyman.[/QUOTE]
Just because I criticized Luther, you issue an insult? Kind of hypocritical, I think.
Tex, you should make your rules public: