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Thread ID: 16250 | Posts: 50 | Started: 2005-01-10
2005-01-10 04:55 | User Profile
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *“I'd avoid like the plague the Anninius & Sapphira bunch on Stormfront, namely self-ordained 'Pastor&Pastoress' Klunt and Ksludge Downey, at [url="http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/"]http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/[/url] " M. Lindstedt* *From my perspective, a very questionable source, and hence the reason for my 1st post here. I am a traditionalist, having come from a Methodist background, with a conservative pro-American heartland upbringing. I wrote an article about my background, so you can understand where I come from. I am Klaliff at Stormfront, but I go by Lydia at other parts of the Web. The name Lydia is taken out of the books of Acts. * |
Klunt goes by quite a few aliases within the Movement, but her best-known nickname is Klunt. She and her worthless husband, Downey, are despised by us Dual-Seedliners, by the One-Seedliners, especially Pete Peters, and by pretty much everyone who is in the Klan of Washington State and parts of Oregon. Klunt earned her alias by her past actions, in which the moderator of this forum didn't do anyone wanting to know her past history deleted the dirt. Here goes:
Klunt's past husband was a Grand Dragon of the Washington State Ku Klux Klan. He put up with Klunt's silliness because after the Klan meeting was over, Klunt was the rest of the evening's sexual entertainment. Eventually the third in command, Downey, the Kludd, ran off with Debby DunSeattle and married her. Everyone knows her past history, but feebs on Stormfront and Original Dissent for some reason think censorship is godly. The idiot sheep ain't supposed to know their baal-priestess' past criminal history.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *I see intelligent discussion in this thread (and it was this thread that garnered my attention, based on the questionable data in il ragno's posted e-mail). I'm somewhat surprised to still see sexually explicit terms in that post (Klunt?), especially in a forum of what appears to be intelligent traditionalist Christians. * *I have been in CI since the mid 70's, so I know more than a little about the CI Movement. Pardon me if I make a couple corrections here: Kingdom Identity Ministries is Mike Hallimore, not Charles Robb. And Charles Robb is not Thom Robb, who was the author of the article of the thread starter. And Martin Lindstedt is not an example of Christian Identity. He is a part of the lunatic fringe that has you all so wary. And indeed, you should be. * |
Klunt cums clucking whenever past history is mentioned. She got on Traitor Glenn Miller News Network, TGMNN, whining that she needed censorship in order to thrive there. Being denied it, she fled back to Stormfront. Speaking of which, Stormfront had me banned before I could bring up past criminal history once I logged on as 'MartinLindstedt.'
Why does she get away with this? Because so called jew-day-o Christian baal-priests believe in professional courtesy. If everyone was to be allowed to cast the first stone, most baal-priests would be buried under rocks in short order. Is it any wonder that Churchianity is deemed so cowardly, faggy, and with its perpetual estrogen drip something to be avoided by normal White men? But let's see how far I get here on the Original Dissent Embalming Society.
Klunt don't like me at all because I'm a Dual-Seedline enforcer. Whenever something like Klunt and Downey raise their serpentine heads and yap their forked tongues, I stomp them down in short order. I first come in contact with her when on an FBI observation post set up to observe CI in the summer of 1999 was taken over by a supposed One-Seedliner misceginator named Andy Anderson. By April 2002, Andy had banned all of the Dual-Seedliners from his jewhoogruppen and no longer needed Pastor Willie Martin as cover. So then Klunt, true to form, petitioned like Salome to King Herold for Willie's head, er, banishment. And got it. Now while I had demanded Willie Martin resign, Willie Martin didn't, and his banning gave me what I wanted. But I hate when some godless lying baal-bitch gets somebody banned. So I sent out word through the Dual-Seedline community that I wanted some dirt on this bitch and it had better be a good steaming pile, not just a few dry turds. Well, I got it, and posted it, and all Klunt could do was to whine about me and a lieutenant of mine posting 'malicious gossip.'
Since then I've gotten whine after whine from Klunt, sometime banishment from feeb listservers, and pretty much spread the word far and wide. As a result, everyone who is anyone within the Identity Resistance knows all about Klunt and her penile attachment Downey. Downey is actually a quite cowardly feeb who in his one letter to me that Klunt made him write was probably the most evasive weasel-word bunch of idiocy ever seen. Downey once wrote a 'sermon' called 'Leaderless Identity' in which Downey first railed against Dual-Seedline and then railed against One-Seedline, and then as a 'solution' proposed hisself, Downey. By the way, Downey's pasturdsheep dates from sometime in 2002, when Baal-priest Larry Blanchard ran off from Port Orchard Washington to Tennessee and didn't even leave a forwarding address for Moe (Andy Anderson) and Curley (Downey). Then Downey laid hands upon hisself and probably anointed hisself as Pasturd & Pasturdess Downey. What is funny is that everyone in discussing the two think that even damaged goods like Klunt is by far worth more than Downey, who Klunt props up. These feebs are a real trip to everyone except the CI devout, who find them reprehensible.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *The adherents of the Christian Identity Movement have an emphasis of trying to get our people back to God by trying to make them understand our responsibilities as Christians. Yes we have the fringe element, such as the Seedliners. Seedline tends to emphasize who the jews are; non Seedline identifies more who WE are. Seedline is a doctrine within the CI Movement, but it is not the main current.* |
More idiotic lying crap. Dual-Seedline is by far the most militant branch of Christian Identity. Dual-Seedline, with its emphasis that there are two seedlines, one the White Christian Israelite, the other the spawn of Satan, is what makes Dual-Seedline the driving force. The One-Seedliners are not defined so much by belief, but rather by who their pastor is.
When both our enemies talk about Christian Identity, they mean Dual-Seedline, not the One-Seedliners and certainly not the Preterists. If you want to call the Armstrongites 'Identity' then perhaps by numbers there are more of them than Dual-Seedliners. But Dual-Seedline rules the roost. And what baal-priests and feebs like here on the Original Dissent Embalming Society think to the contrary is both idiotic and irrelevant.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *The main current is people coming from Traditional Christianity who discover an important key in understanding much of what the Bible speaks of. Much of Traditional Christianity has departed from most of the laws of God, except for the Ten Commandments. But the laws are still in effect, except the sacrificial laws (Christ is now our Passover lamb) and the temple ordinances.* *Our model is the first century Christian church, in which Christianity is a way of life, rather than an organized religion. We are a Movement, not a religion. We believe in the deity of Christ and what His life, death and resurrection represents for our race (i.e. redeemed by our Savior). Christian Identity has restored the racial message of the Gospels as a result of mainstream churches teaching universalism and multicultural diversity within the last 150 years or so.* |
The only part of the first century Christian Church Klunt and Downey follow as a way of life are that of Annanius and Sapphira. They are exactly the sort of corrupt degenerates that any church would run out as soon as possible. Which has happened. Other than the Stormfront feebs who don't know Klunt and Downey's past history there are all of two followers of Downey's self-anointed passturdship and that is Klunt and Downey.
Christian Identity is a Church. Christ's Church. The only Church. And out religion defines our politics. There is every reason why the Resistance has always had as the mass of its soldiery and leadership Dual-Seedliners.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *You mentioned Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male or female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus". In context it is actually speaking of Judahites in Judea who were one of the twelve tribes of Israel and the Greeks in this verse were the Israelites who were of the 10 tribes dispersed from their Assyrian captivity and migrated to the Greece (and other parts of the Mediterranean). It certainly didn't imply that men and women would become generalists. The last verse in that chapter "And if ye be Christ, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" means spiritual Israelites (those who converted to Christianity) that were within a physical Israel (White race) in the secular world were to inherit the promises of God to which all of the covenants applied. * |
No disagreement with above. Klunt has had a long time to ape Identity doxology. She will suck up to those she thinks can get her in the door, and then take it out upon those who have to drive her out in the local congregations. She can only exist where censorship is practiced on her behalf. She hates ridicule based upon her past behavior.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *“* *Regarding the comment, "like that old French saying - when you have two Dutchman - you have a church. When you have three Dutchman, you have a schism" .... My husband wrote that the greatest tragedy The greatest tragedy within our Movement is the plurality of lone wolves. There is a problem of proximity to like-minded people, but there is also the problem of pride that prevents our posterity from prospering. People are too stiff necked to let go of what day to worship on, or what name to call God, or how wet to get when we get baptized or who fathered Cain. These are all doctrines that divide our Movement. Part of the problem is that we have a leadership crisis in CI. Martin Lindstedt implied that we were jealous of Pete Peters. It's not jealousy that my husband speaks out against Pete Peters, but his lack of accountability regarding his personal life, as well as his flip-flop theology. We've learned to say no to craziness such as reptilians from outer space and some of the unbiblical rituals (i.e. Pete Peter's Door Days and James Wickstom's animal sacrifices).* |
The only problem with leadership arises as to who will become first of equals within Dual-Seedline and its Aryan Nations political arm now that Butler is dead. Right now Morris Gulet has let Charles Juba and Jim Wickstrom cut their own throats with their own antics, like Wickstrom screwing another Identity minister's wife as his second wife. Gulet even is smart enough to not bring up Klunt's didoes on Stormfront. In return, Klunt allows that Dual-Seedliner to remain uncensored. But when Gulet wants to bring under his control most of Dual-Seedline, then he will have to ditch the bitch, as the necessary quid pro quo. Klunt and Downey are dead meat outside Stormfront or anyone stupid enough to pull a Stormfront. Gulet has to please us Dual-Seedliners if he wishes to have his writ become law among us.
Pete Peters is tolerated, even with his pet jew Weismann, simply because somebody is going to be leading the One-Seedliner newbies, and it might as well be Peters, whom nobody is going to remove anyways. Us Dual-Seedliners may grumble, but Peters doesn't bother us and we don't bother Peters.
In fact, I've been known to give Peters the 'heads-up' concerning Klunt and Downey, the feebs who couldn't run a 10 member Klan without it degenerating into a drunken orgy, much less a couple-thousand bunch of newbie One-Seedliners. Peters' 'Door Daze' is hilarious, but it means an additional offering or two for Peters. When I went down to Branson to visit Peters' bunch, I said that I was a Dual-Seedliner on my best behavior, but I didn't give Peters anything other than the registration fee.
Downey every so often gets all jealous that he can't run a real church, and makes up some malicious gossip about Peters. I've heard some malicious gossip about Peters being run by his wives, but when I seen Peters he seemed on top of his business and his wife was plain, modest, reserved, and managed selling the books and tapes. So I don't have anything against Peters other than One-Seedline doxology. But thanks to me and Peters' spies keeping an eye on things, Peters knows all about Downey. Downey and Klunt hid out when Peters was in the Olympia Washington area a few years ago. They are such cowardly snakes. Insofar as Peters' "lack of accountability for Peter's personal life," well, I haven't heard anything about Peters pimping out his wife as sexual entertainment nor of Peters running off with the sexual mascot of any Identity Church or Klan. In the case of Klunt, it's the pot calling the white sheet black.
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| Originally Posted by **Klunt** *We at Kinsman Redeemer have a regular Sunday worship with like minded people, in which we observe communion, sing hymns, worship and fellowship. Our website speaks for itself, as trying to dispense with denominationalism and advance the Kingdom of God. If there are those who ostracize us, we have others who are drawn towards it. If such a man as Martin Lindstedt reviles us, then I know we're doing right. If people are attracted to profanity, then there's nothing we can do about that, other than to say that's not how we conduct ourselves as Christians.* |
When Martin Lindstedt 'reviles' such as Klunt and Downey by repeating their rap/rape sheet then there isn't much that can be done other than begging the Original Dissent Embalming Society to puh-leeze, puh-leeze, puh-leeze not let the kike out of the bag. Get over it, Klunt. There is a reason why other than at Stormfront, where all the Movement wreckage sits, like a Branson of has-been bowel-Movement past movements, there simply isn't much, if anything, left other than a web page to their Jim & Tammy Bakker ministry.
--Martin Lindstedt A Defender of the Dual-Seedline Christian Identity Faith
2005-01-10 06:46 | User Profile
This is a great example of why I've come down so hard on some of the CI elements that have surfaced here from time to time.
The greater portion of them are mentally unstable. I realize it is our duty to be a witness to everyone, but I'm not sure a bulletin board is the best medium to do so. Obviously guys like this Linstedt are in no way open to discussing the merits of his rather particularist theology.
2005-01-25 15:01 | User Profile
You're a better man than I am. After reading half of that reminds me why I stay off those threads.
2005-01-25 15:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]You're a better man than I am. After reading half of that reminds me why I stay off those threads.[/QUOTE]
Hey Ryan.
Well I love a good theological dog fight as much as anybody, but with some of the more extreme goofballs like Linstedt you have to be real careful so things don't get out of hand. It's a fine line to walk, but he's been ok so far here on this board. He does more to drive people away from Christian Identity than I could ever do arguing against them. :) Okie's keeping him on a short leash and rather effectively if I say so myself. :thumbsup:
2005-01-25 16:04 | User Profile
I'll reproduce our latest exchange here. Martin's obviously pretty set in his ways and used to playing this game with forums before, and just trying to barter his reputation and knowledge for an excuse to insult the Downey's. There are still some questions about the man I have and am interested in. In a way I consider him similar to Jennifer, aka Trisk, in the way he's obviously sort of bad-tempered and prone to lose forums, so likes to come here to places like us and stroke his ego. I guess I'll play along with him a bit, like Jennifer.
[QUOTE=MartinLindstedt][QUOTE=Okiereddust]Martin, I know you have your own style of posting, and in a way I do admire your succinctness and pithiness. But obviously you come here less to really to participate constructively in our forum than to stir up fights with Mrs. Downey and to flount forum rules and generally express your distaste for us, to this extent you just really aren't capable of being here and doing anything positive as far as I or anyone else here are concerned. I know its asking too much for you to be polite, but at least you could try to reign in your hostility and concentrate on the field, which you obviously do know a great deal more in certain areas than I.
I'll go back and edit your posts so there's at least a semblance of decorum, no pithy "Whores of Babylon" etc., then reinstate you. If you could try at least just a little harder to reign in your hostility it would be appreciated, and I could justify letting you continue here. You do have something to say, that's why I sort of invited you CI's here. Please try expressing it in a way that makes it possible for me to let you continue to say it.[/QUOTE]C'mon Okie. Klunt been bitching to you about me again? Forever?
Don't you think that she's not a pro at this? She'll demand, like Salome to King Herod, that she be given the head of anyone not speaking nice about her. Then, like she did before, you give her what she wants then she'll pat you on your pointy little head and treat you with condescention just like she did on Stormfront after you banned me the first time.
Whereas, on VNN/TGMNN, her and Gabbyrelle were pretty much heckled back when there was 'free speech for Whites' and as a result Klunt and Gabbyrelle left in a huff simply because they cannot co-exist wherever there is someone knowing their past history.
Why do you think they are so despised both amongst the OSLers and Dual-Seedliners? It is because they get revealed for what they are. They do nothing but cause trouble, and while I'm not a fan of Pete Peters, I don't see anything gained by allowing these dogs amongst the lambs, seeing how the better of the One-Seedliners often grow into Dual-Seedliners. I want peaceful, nurturing growth in the DSL nursery amongst the OSLers, and thus have a duty to maintain it by keeping ravening dogs like the Downeys out.
What you would have me do is pull my punches. Not tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Is censorship of YHWH?
You are not going to find another Dual-Seedliner to argue this thread either. Not Thom Robb. Not Jim Wickstrom. Not Morris Gulett. Not if I am silenced or censored or moderated. Then who will you have to discuss Dual-Seedline with? Klunt? Gabbyrelle? Real honesty is controversial. Why do you think Christ warned that his Message would sunder father from son, mother from daughter? Because we are talking about a different way of life.
I'd also say that I'm on topic all the time. And, as you admit, I know far more about Dual-Seedline than you do. You won't get another, politer, nicer Dual-Seedliner out of a Cracker-Jack box anytime quick.
The 'Great Whore of Babylon, Mother of Harlots' was a fixture amongst the Protestant churches until they figured out that they were 'dissing' their own dogma as that of harlotry when they became 'respectable.' If I use the term 'Whores of Babble-on' concerning Klunt, well, given her past history, I think I should be forgiven the punning allusion.
I seem to have annoyed you concerning Gerald L.K. Smith's being a point in the development of Christian Identity. However, Identity has noted him as a point on the road from Bristish Israeliteism to Dual-Seedline. Was Smith Dual-Seedline per se? No. But he did play a role in its development, whether you agree or not.
This thread, like it or not, concerns Dual-Seedline. I've not gone outside the thread. Nobody has been attacked who hasn't gone inside the thread to comment, adversely. Would you appreciate being censored by either Klunt or myself if we started a thread attacking your beliefs, and then when you did your best, claim that you wanted to do nothing but fight, and moderate away your best defensive arguments? Now isn't that exactly the position you are putting me into?
Now you've made it quite clear that I'm not a very nice person and I've never denied that. I consider myself a Christian Identity Resistance fighting man. Who better to discuss both Christian Identity as it relates to the Resistance than myself? Whether or not I agreed with the message, who better to discuss National Socialism than Adolf Hitler or Leninism than Nickolai Lenin or Marxism than Karl Marx? Would you be the small-minded barbarian who kept them from expounding their philosophies fully? I know that I sure wouldn't.
Look, Okie. Discuss this matter with the owner of the ODES Forum. See what he wants to do with his Forum and whether he wants to keep it nattering the same old parochial concerns. Then if he says to censor, then censor. If he says to ban, then ban. But be honest about it and admit to yourself what you are doing and why you want to do it.
OK?
--Martin Lindstedt [url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-01-28 20:40 | User Profile
How much of this guy's guttural crap should we take here, Dave?
Speaking of Anarch/ArchAnus, this typical whigger critter was par for the course for most whigger nutsionalists. Cowardly, idiotic, and pretty much a faggoty feeb whose kind made up the majority of the phorafags/feebs. Itz kind was kink on Fake's board. It should ask Fake to transfer over the v-bulletin license over to 'ArchAnus' to create a same/old same/old suckcessor to phorafags/feebs. Perhaps call it phorafags/feebs2.
Unlike ArchAnus, I take liberties with the English language because first understanding the rules, I seek to 'break' them in an orderly way in order to create something new from the old. The Old Masters were not conservative, but radical in their use of the English language and they made it plastic enough to serve their new ideas using the modified tools at hand. ArchAnus with its little 'brain' already fossilized should fit in here at the Original Dissent Embalming Society very well. ArchAnus's choice of a-lie-ass suggests to its whiggroid 'brain,' as well as other feebs, that it is interested in anarchy. But a fossilized conventional 'anarchy' it is -- if it ever was.
By all means, make ArchAnus the Director of Nihilism here at ODES. Then nothing of concern is certain to get halfway maybe done. Make Jelly Donut and Dranus, mong[r]ollian spam-mamzers all, AnusArch's subdirectors in this ODES Department of Nihilism wherein they can be sure to enforce a State of Nothingness.
2005-01-28 21:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]How much of this guy's guttural crap should we take here, Dave? [/QUOTE] Well you thought he'd learned his lesson :lol:
Maybe I've hung around him too long and have got a soft spot for him, think he's sort of cute, like a little kid who knows a lot of cute swear words.
I don't know, the all the Phora pagans returning too, its not the same "kind, gentler" OD we all knew. And maybe Martin in a certain way will help to keep things in balance.
Actually I'm stil biased, cause the pompousness of people like AY, whining of IR, and arrogance of NN irritated me a lot more. I say - shute as long as he's still here, he's not fighting with Klundt anymore at least, let's let him stay a couple of more days and see how the whole thing shakes out.
A lot of snakes out there, we know that. Let's figure ot how we want to handle em all as a group. Right now Martin's sort of just a curiousity. And like you say he drives more people away from CI than we could ever hope to :lol: Maybe in this initial phase we should just say we're adopting a more libertarian attitude for the time being. Or just intervene more forcefully ourselves. Don't know its your call of course if you want.
2005-01-28 22:03 | User Profile
You should check out his website. Bizzare would be an understatement.
2005-01-28 23:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]You should check out his website. Bizzare would be an understatement.[/QUOTE]
Koo-Koo....Koo-Koo...Koo-Koo...
Ok, Dave.
2005-01-29 00:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Koo-Koo....Koo-Koo...Koo-Koo...
Ok, Dave.[/QUOTE]Am I missing something? I don't see anything about outer space aliens, mass demonic possesion, etc. at least on his main links. Compared to TBF this guy is Mr. Green Jeans. (granted, almost everyone is).:lol:
I did get one good idea though. Do you think we should change his name here if he keeps up his posting pattern to Martin "Mad Dog" Lindstedt, like in his lawsuit? (Give the man credit, the guys honest:lol:) Can we do this on our own Tex? ( I like it ;) )
2005-01-31 19:21 | User Profile
Jason,
When you finally get bored with Lindstedt is there is a way where you can change Lindstedt's account where he can post on only one thread, say one dedicated just for the nutcases and trolls? He and other suitable candidates could read the other threads, only they couldn't post anything there. Any comments they wish to make could only be posted on the lunatic fringe thread. If this could be done people who wish to argue with them could only do so by their [u]own choice,[/u] so they couldn't bitch about trolls and idiots cluttering up the other threads with nonsense.
We could the best of two worlds- free entertainment and serious discussion separate from one another.
M.L. is @ a few screws, in my opinion.
2005-01-31 19:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]When you finally get bored with Lindstedt is there is a way where you can change Lindstedt's account where he can post on only one thread, say one dedicated just for the nutcases and trolls? He and other suitable candidates could read the other threads, only they couldn't post anything there. Any comments they wish to make could only be posted on the lunatic fringe thread. If this could be done people who wish to argue with them could only do so by their [u]own choice,[/u] so they couldn't bitch about trolls and idiots cluttering up the other threads with nonsense.
We could the best of two worlds- free entertainment and serious discussion separate from one another.
M.L. is @ a few screws, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Me get bored? I want to ban the guy already. It's Dave, not me.
If we create his own playground, then to my mind it looks like we're endorsing his profane behavior. Then everyone will feel like they can go into that forum and post whatever vile trash they can think of. Essentially that's what Fade did at his board and I think the consequences of that were not good.
Right now I think M.L. is making a joke out of our standard of conduct for this board. But I'll wait and get Dave's opinion once again before I do anything.
2005-01-31 19:43 | User Profile
Jason,
I didn't think about that angle. Your point is well taken.
2005-01-31 19:47 | User Profile
I wonder if I am too uptight about language and such, but I just hate reading all the sexual innuendo coupled with even mild profanity. An occasional damn, shit or even the f word here and there I don't mind so much as the sexual stuff. i.e. 'cum'. It debases the entire environment.
2005-01-31 19:54 | User Profile
I agree with that. There is enough of that crap on tv and the radio without it fouling up the board. I wonder if Martin is related to Marcus Porcius Cato or Leland? They'd make a good cadre for a bulletin board.
2005-01-31 20:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Me get bored? I want to ban the guy already. It's Dave, not me.
If we create his own playground, then to my mind it looks like we're endorsing his profane behavior. Then everyone will feel like they can go into that forum and post whatever vile trash they can think of. Essentially that's what Fade did at his board and I think the consequences of that were not good.
Right now I think M.L. is making a joke out of our standard of conduct for this board. But I'll wait and get Dave's opinion once again before I do anything.[/QUOTE] philofag phorafeebery? Rode hard and put up wet? (this is just horses as far as I know, is this innuendo). I don't know, again I don't really see the exact sexual innuendo there
This is a general description of his posting style lately. [url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=98728&postcount=138]A Matter of Pejoratives[/url].
I think the situation, let's be honest, is not about his specific language. I don't see anything like "The Whore of Babylon" phrase that Tex passed the buck back to me on recently. I think its a situation somewhat similar to that of Franco, where we sort of disagree before. Franco, like Lindstadt, was an experienced operative who loves to cruise boards and test the limits, and have their own comic book style. Sert picked up the real threat of Franco before I really did, i.e, his agenda (mocking conservatives and Christians, whose attitude seemed to sway a lot of others eventually, by changing the tone of the board).
I don't see Martin as a threat that way. In fact I could list quite of few advantages of him over Franco
As long as Franco and the other are all coming back, why this worry about Martin. I'm afraid I didn't follow Phora as closely as I should, but Fade blamed Raggy, not Martin, for the boards demise. (And Martin hates Raggy, #5)
There is one thing about Martin though, he really is only interested in one topic, personalities. That's why I like Ryan's idea actually Jason, if you want to do something about Martin. Its a bit like the old disruptors corner on Stormfront, which I always favored. That way we could put rban, Franco, Bjrani, and others who are witty and capable of meeting the rules to this board technically (with occasional lapses) but who are one track posters who threaten to monopolize the board.
A separate board is my first option. The second one is to just watch him and see if he goes off his rocker again. Right now though, as we accepted his original premise of posting at this board (vague stabs at us stuffed shirts) I don't see again exactly what he's specifically posting that is so bad.
Seeing how this is a time that everyone is coming here from the Phora this is an intersting phase, but its also something Martin knows a little bit about. I know you think he's a nuisance, but I, unless I'm missing something, see him as a fairly harmless nuisance. No one seems likely to either copy his posting style or become CI, (unlike Franco, where they did seem to become more VNN).
If you want to ban him Tex I think noone will object, but I can't personally think of a specific reason to ban him with what he's done lately, and am reluctant to do so without such a reason.
If you do want to ban him Tex right now, I would prefer you handle it gently sort of like you did Franco,just tell him you don't think his objectives for posting really fit the intentions you have for this board, let him compose a farewell letter, leave his existing posts up, etc.
That's my two cents.
Dave
2005-01-31 21:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If you want to ban him Tex I think noone will object, but I can't personally think of a specific reason to ban him with what he's done lately, and am reluctant to do so without such a reason.
If you do want to ban him Tex right now, I would prefer you handle it gently sort of like you did Franco,just tell him you don't think his objectives for posting really fit the intentions you have for this board, let him compose a farewell letter, leave his existing posts up, etc.
That's my two cents.
Dave[/QUOTE]Actually Tex, if you want to ban him, this last post of his, provides a good reason to do it.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=98973&postcount=44[/url]
It does seem to combine all the patented Martin trademarks at his worst, rapant sexual innuendo, direct hints of violence and genocide, and a dominaneering agenda.
I'd just send him or publically post saying we'd heard his message, but heard enough. I'm always a bit ambivalent about baning people, (most people have something to say occasionally) but think its important to do so for the right reason at the right time.
My two cents again.
2005-01-31 21:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]It does seem to combine all the patented Martin trademarks at his worst, rapant sexual innuendo, direct hints of violence and genocide, and a dominaneering agenda..[/QUOTE]
Bingo.
Tell you what, I'll send him a PM and copy y'all in. The guy is obviously not stupid, but rather one of the types that likes to push the envelope as far as it can go. I'll give him a firm line in the sand and then whether he stays or goes will be entirely up to him.
Tks for the input.
2005-01-31 22:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Bingo.
Tell you what, I'll send him a PM and copy y'all in. The guy is obviously not stupid, but rather one of the types that likes to push the envelope as far as it can go. I'll give him a firm line in the sand and then whether he stays or goes will be entirely up to him.
Tks for the input.[/QUOTE]I see you haven't sent the message yet, so I have one slight suggestion, so he might be able to understand it better.
Do you have a Lindstadtese translator? :lol:
2005-01-31 23:51 | User Profile
I requested that Albion translate that last screed of Marty's. I see that we have a new hollywood nazi member- 88mmFlak.
2005-02-01 19:03 | User Profile
Haven't heard anything on Martin, but as long as you thing discussions with him have some use, watever you want to do with him is fine Jason. Sometimes I think he makes a good counterpoint to the Downeys also. Like you say as long as there here it would be better if we don't favor one side too much.
Actually just curious what happened to WesleyWes.Wat did [B]he[/B] do?
2005-02-01 19:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Haven't heard anything on Martin, but as long as you thing discussions with him have some use, watever you want to do with him is fine Jason. Sometimes I think he makes a good counterpoint to the Downeys also. Like you say as long as there here it would be better if we don't favor one side too much.
Yes, I've been going back and forth in my mind as to what the best thing to do with ML is. His posts from last night I found extremely offensive, but I guess I settled on trying and counter him from the Scriptures themselves, for now at least. Who knows, maybe God will convict him and change his ways.
Actually just curious what happened to WesleyWes.Wat did [B]he[/B] do?[/QUOTE]
WesleyWes keeps putting nude porn pics in his avatar. The one I removed right before I suspended him was I think the third one. I was sick of it so I suspended him for a week. In my opinion though, the jury is still out as to whether or not he is really Raina. He's very trollish in his posting and behavior.
2005-02-01 20:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Yes, I've been going back and forth in my mind as to what the best thing to do with ML is. His posts from last night I found extremely offensive, but I guess I settled on trying and counter him from the Scriptures themselves, for now at least. Who knows, maybe God will convict him and change his ways. Thanks Tex. You definitely have more patience than I do. I'm trying a bit to see if there's a soft spot mid all that bluster. Sort of Like Charlie Brown's Lucy :lol:
WesleyWes keeps putting nude porn pics in his avatar. The one I removed right before I suspended him was I think the third one. I was sick of it so I suspended him for a week. In my opinion though, the jury is still out as to whether or not he is really Raina. He's very trollish in his posting and behavior.[/QUOTE]Mister Protestant? Hmm that part of it does sound very Rainaish. But he does have a Yahoo group. Maybe I should check that out, when I have time, which I have less of these days.
Its a trade off. ML and the whole CI are very high maintenance. But I feel a biyt of an obligation, cause there are very few peole capable of really witnessing to these people. I think its good to try and make the effort, if you have time and energy.
2005-02-04 02:18 | User Profile
[quote=Martin Lindstedt [QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor][left][font=Arial][size=2][size=4]The Joys of Tribulation[/size]
by Pastor Mark Downey [url="http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/JoysOfTribulation.htm"]Kinsman Redeemer Ministries[/url]
Tribulation defined as having anything to do with the Downeys. The 'joys' of Tribulation having dried up since The Kludd/KlhumperofKlunt run off with the Klan's Klailiff/Klunt several years ago.
[QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor] [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]"I no sooner commenced to sitting down with a yellow legal note pad to write down this message, when a bird in the backyard began squawking. I wondered, "What's his problem." It sounded like some kind of warning, rather than the happy chirping of an early bird catching a worm. Perhaps another animal was encroaching upon his meal. [/size][/font]
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[font=Arial][size=2]I love how the Holy Spirit works. Before I began to write anything about tribulation, the sounds of God's creation gave me a sermon example from the get-go. Through this otherwise mundane morning activity of nature, it came to my mind of a situation we had last year in our driveway. [/size][/font]
[left][font=Arial][size=2]Oh puh-leese. Downey, the self-anointed Crisco/Jurgens pasturd, was sitting in his studio -- and Downey is a better graphics artist than baal-priest -- with literally nothing in its head, when it seen a killdeer and decided that it was a vision from Downey's god and daddy (Satan). [/size][/font][/left]
[left][font=Arial][size=2]But at least it starts out better than 'Leaderless Identity' -- a formula for crowning Downey as kink of the poser OSLers. [/size][/font][/left] [left][font=Arial][size=2][/left]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2][QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor] [left][/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]Christian Identity has been accused of being obsessed with jews and having a mental fixation on racial matters. Although these are the predominately pressing issues of the day, our people, White Christian Israelites, have their own personal trials and tribulations which cause untold stress, worry and grief. These negative emotions can take their toll on any person's peace of mind. Animal behavior can sometimes teach us how to deal with life when we fail to learn the same thing in the Bible. [/size][/font][/left]
[left][font=Arial][size=2]First, as always, Downey disses the Dual-Seedliners. Then Downey wants to emulate the animals. By all means, Downey. I'm sure that there are a lot of 'beasts of the field' in downtown Seattle whose behavior would make Downey and Sapphira feel right at home. [/size][/font][/left]
[font=Arial][size=2][QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]Life ain't fair. Life isn't a bed of roses. But, in spite of the unfairness and the void of utopian living, the Christian is offered a panacea whereby we can "count it all joy." We can have a perspective whereby even the worst of the worst has a silver lining. Many a tortured POW rested upon the memories of Scripture, which comfort the soul. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me: thy rod and thy staff they comfort me" (Ps. 23:4). [/size][/font]
[font=Arial]Life isn't always being spread out on the back of a Harley with six lusty Klansmen waiting like horny navvies their turn; those daze are gone, forever, Sapphira. Was it really such torture back then? [/font][size=2]
[QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor]
[/size][font=Arial][size=2]Let's not get too ahead of ourselves in anticipation of the sky falling. Tribulation is not something coming in the future, when things really start to get bad, as the foreboding Rapturist would have you believe. We need to leave behind that kind of thinking if we are to believe that the future will take care of itself and that God will take care of us right now. Folks, tribulation has been going on for the last 2000 years. That's why, "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad" (Mt. 5:11-12). [left][/left]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]Have you ever heard the adage, 'if you're looking for trouble, you'll probably find it'? Does the Bible tell us to seek trouble? No. It says we're sent forth as sheep in the midst of wolves and so we better be wise as serpents (Mt. 10:16) and agree with thine adversary (Mt. 5:25). This does not mean we become the same as those who persecute us, but to appease those who would have us appear as they do. [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]Something you should have figured out before you banned Pastor Morris Gulett and a few other Dual-Seedliners from the Christian Identity section of $tormfront, Sapphira. I'd say that you will get plenty of trouble from that quarter quick enough.
[QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor] [/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]We are commanded to "Abstain from all appearance of evil" (I Thes. 5:22). That's not an easy thing to do in a society that calls good evil and evil good when you're carrying the Christian Identity message to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The common idiom would be, 'suck it up'. God knows those that don't as "murmurers and complainers" (Jude 16) who continually find fault with everything except themselves. Such is the "latter time" or end of this age where mockers and scoffers of the utmost arrogance cause division and are devoid of the Spirit. The part about 'sucking it up' -- and swallowing -- but not the 'abstaining from all appearance of evil' applies to the Downeys. I'm sure that the part about 'mockers and scoffers of the utmost arrogance cause[ing] division' is a jab about me. But that's "Mr. Lindstedt" to you, Sapphira. [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor] [/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]The Bible says, "That we must, through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22). [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]In the fields and in the woods, [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]We seek Strength Through Joy.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]-- Nazi satirical song celebrating co-ed field brigade work.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]Likewise, there was joy through tribulation, but that was years ago.
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2][QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]I'd like to speak about idiots for a moment. Lord knows we have more than our fair share of them. An idiot is someone who forsakes the power of God. An idiot is destitute of reason and common sense. An idiot does not have the intellectual capacity to renew his mind. An idiot does not "consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Tim. 6:3). Every day we come into contact with idiots who try to push our buttons or try to engage us in their level of adversarial behavior. They are, "Proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmising, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself" (I Tim. 6:4-5). [left][/left]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2]The Bible doesn't put it this bluntly, but we have been given the gift of how to deal with idiots that cause so much tribulation. And we can have fun at the same time rather than wringing our hands in anguish. Are you ready for some good clean Christian fun (enjoyment, joy)? [/size][/font]
[left][font=Arial][size=2]Idiots, presumably, are those who see right through the Downeys. And although those seeking 'joy' in the tribulation of having anything to do with the Downeys might not find an unwanted pregnancy, there is more than likely a social disease or two for those having congress with the Downeys. [/left]
[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2][QUOTE=Sapphira_the_$tormfront Censor] [/size][/font] [left][font=Arial][size=2]Our text message for today is Romans 5:1-11. Some people cannot figure out why tribulation produces patience and what that brings to the believer. Let's read these verses and find out. Starting in verse 1 we find, "Being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Justification means we are no longer accused and condemned in our sins; it imputes to us the righteousness of Christ and we are given a new start in life. The reason for Paul's exhortations is because many who commit to Christ, after so many years in sin and rebellion to God, feel they can't be forgiven. They can. [/size][/font][/left] [left][font=Arial][size=2][/left]
[left]Jesus might forgive. The Dual-Seedline brethren, like the State of Mississippi in 'O, Brother, Where Art Thou' are a tad more hardnosed about prior peccidillos. [/left]
[/size][/font]I deleted much of Downey's sermon. What was good wasn't original and what was original was not good.
[left]I first came into contact with this Bashanic heifer in 2002 when she tried to get a Dual-Seedline pastor banned from a yahoo group. I asked for, and got some dirt on this Salome. Today, I got word that she banned Pastor Morris Gulett from $tormfront. [/left]
[left]She has not changed her tricks of hating Dual-Seedliners, her and Downey, any more than the leopard changes its spots or the Ethiopian its dark hide. The only thing that has changed over the years is that her butt has gotten fatter, her tits have sagged, and all of it got wrinkled and so she is not able to lead stupid White men directly by their peckers no more. She hates White men, but of all White men she hates Dual-Seedline Christian Identity White men the most. [/left]
[left]Yet like her daddy, Satan, she coils up like a snake and wants to poison the wells of discourse with her forked tongue. Well, this streetwalking baal-priestess needs to hit the road and stick with the $tormfront leper colony where she belongs.[/left]
[left]Censorship, under color of 'love', is not godly. Pretty soon $tormfront will be the only place Klunt can show off her ass. And Downey was never nothing ever more than a pussy-whupped feeb with his little head sticking out of Klunt, bobbing like an African meercat. Word's got around. Your little didoes have caught up with you, Sapphira Downey. Us Dual-Seedliners are really really pissed. [/left]
[left]Damn that bitch. [/left]
I'm as mad as hell and what I said needs to be said, so I don't care if this gets me banned from ODES or not.
[left]--Martin Lindstedt[/left] [left][url="http://www.martinlindstedt.org/"]www.martinlindstedt.org[/url][/left]
Being busy Tuesday, I guess I didn't have time to read this whole thread, or didn't really want to. After rereading it, I am inclined to agree with everyone else. Sorry I went diffident on you. But at least we've got a reaction brewing, which means Martin can't ever complain that we're out to get him. In fact he probably thinks we're a bunch of wimps privately.
I think Martin is a good testimonial to what belongs in the dual-seedliner camp. I guess I just was curious for myself, but now like you had before I've definitely had enough.
2005-02-04 15:37 | User Profile
I liken Lindstedt to the village idiot.
He's entertaining, sure, but you don't invite him to dinner, because he's far too likely to jump up on your dining table and start flinging feces in all directions, which is apparently what he's the best at. The sad part is, he can comport himself with a reasonable degree of manners, but he chooses not to.
If he does get the axe, I won't spend too much time spilling tears in my Shiner. I guess you just have to weigh when the entertainment/irritation ratio gets too far out of whack, but that isn't my call, so I'll leave y'all to it.
2005-02-04 17:06 | User Profile
Dave,
I'm sorry, but this cracked me up:
[QUOTE]The Kludd/KlhumperofKlunt run off with the Klan's Klailiff/Klunt several years ago. [/QUOTE]
LMAO!
M.L. is pretty crude (but has a way with words) and has succeeded in disgusting most of the people who have waded through that trash.
2005-02-04 17:07 | User Profile
One can feel the love emanating from that thread.
2005-02-04 17:44 | User Profile
Yes, one can feel the love bursting forth there.
It looks like Gabby has been caught in a lie. It figures she would know these clowns.
2005-02-04 19:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]I liken Lindstedt to the village idiot.
He's entertaining, sure, but you don't invite him to dinner, because he's far too likely to jump up on your dining table and start flinging feces in all directions, which is apparently what he's the best at. Sort of like farm folk always viewed dogs - interest of sorts, but don't let em in your living room.
The sad part is, he can comport himself with a reasonable degree of manners, but he chooses not to. Yeah, that's part of the radical WN macho thing I think. I see CIers are worse in this respect than regular WN's.
2005-02-04 21:50 | User Profile
[quote=Okiereddust]I see CIers are worse in this respect than regular WN's.
And that's saying something!
2005-02-05 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]... Its a trade off. ML and the whole CI are very high maintenance. But I feel a biyt of an obligation, cause there are very few peole capable of really witnessing to these people. I think its good to try and make the effort, if you have time and energy.[/QUOTE]
Dave,
I must admit that you have conducted a most interesting sociological experiment here. If anything, Martin may run off Gabby. Having read that thread I believe him over her.
2005-02-05 04:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Dave,
I must admit that you have conducted a most interesting sociological experiment here. If anything, Martin may run off Gabby. Having read that thread I believe him over her.[/QUOTE]Interesting sociological, or psychological, experiment indeed. Every psychologist will tell you that occasionally he needs to step away from his patients before he starts to feel like he belongs in the looney-bin himself.
I can tell running off Gabby isn't the most unpopular thing you could do on this forum, but I don't have time to delete posts like
I'll do you one better Gabby. Kludd better keep a low profile, because if I or Pastor Gulett, see him at any meetings, we will probably mop the floor with him. Because of his failure to remove his testicles from the back of klaliff's throat and rein in the Ho'.:whlch: [QUOTE=Gabrielle]Not at all, considering it doesn't bother you ââ¬Ëgood holy traditional menââ¬â¢ that some low life rat attacks another manââ¬â¢s wife. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
or
Her activity, if true make her a concubine at the best, and possibly a whore. I would like to think she enjoyed it, but most probable, it was the power over men that she enjoyed most. Deb isn't a bad looking ol' heifer, but age is beginning to show. If she'd dispense with the birth control and step up to the calling of Aryan motherhood, by having baby Downey's ,I could probably learn to ignore her. But she's not content to be on her back side, under kludd, working up. She somehow thinks it her birthright to meddle in the affairs of men and I have a problem with that.:pimp: [QUOTE=Gabrielle]Not at all, considering it doesn't bother you ââ¬Ëgood holy traditional menââ¬â¢ that some low life rat attacks another manââ¬â¢s wife. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
It's not something IMO I should have to do very much longer. It's mildly entertaining, but in MST's lingo, the irritation factor is starting to dominate.
If I didn't know better, I might suggest petty little quarrels like this could be resolved better and in a much more timely fashion between involved parties under the oaks with a copy of [I]code duelismo[/I].But I don't know if I want to give people this close to the edge any ideas.
2005-02-05 04:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE]If I didn't know better, I might suggest petty little quarrels like this could be resolved better and in a much more timely fashion between involved parties under the oaks with a copy of code duelismo.[U]But I don't know if I want to give people this close to the edge any ideas.[/U][/QUOTE]
LOL! I think they could give the most hardcore dispensationalist a run for his/her money. If y'all decide to dump them at least leave the threads.
2005-02-07 07:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Anybody keeping track of FR and where former Freepers are going? They don't seem to be going to Liberty Post any more much.[/QUOTE]
Dave,
Some of those guys were briefly members of this board. I'm afraid that the Nazi contigent chased them off before we will able to establish control.
2005-02-07 07:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Dave,
Some of those guys were briefly members of this board. I'm afraid that the Nazi contigent chased them off before we will able to establish control.[/QUOTE]You mean like Mercuria, Old Right Conservative, and Polinchellino?
2005-02-07 07:20 | User Profile
No, I mean Sentry Over America. There were some others who will kicked out at the time, circa late 2001- through 2.
Here's a belated answer to your question on that thead. When I went to DSL I had to give up WebTv. As a results I can't recover my password, having stupidly lost it. One day I may screw around with it and see if I can get into it.
2005-02-07 07:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]No, I mean Sentry Over America. There were some others who will kicked out at the time, circa late 2001- through 2.
Here's a belated answer to your question on that thead. When I went to DSL I had to give up WebTv. As a results I can't recover my password, having stupidly lost it. One day I may screw around with it and see if I can get into it.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about exactly?
2005-02-07 07:26 | User Profile
You asked if I could get on Arator's old forum, the one he shut down and recanted to J.R. By the way, I don't know if you read the comments on the Disraeli thread at the bottom but I see Wintermute made some folks mad over there. I'll chat later. Bed.
2005-02-07 15:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]By the way, I don't know if you read the comments on the Disraeli thread at the bottom but I see Wintermute made some folks mad over there. I'll chat later. Bed.[/QUOTE]
ben tilman is our own mwdallas, also.
2005-02-08 13:44 | User Profile
Just read Martin's latest poston being censored. So which is it? Are you phorafags or just plain feebs? Or perhaps Satan's spawn? Martin will no doubt conclude that the hand of Satan hasn't been idle in this case when he notes the edit: "the devil made me do it." :lol:
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Dave, I can only imagine what that post looked like before you cleaned it up. Must have been real fire and brimstone.
2005-02-12 16:39 | User Profile
Dave,
As part of your ongoing sociological study of Lindstedtism you ought to check out that link to RBN. He sounds just as bizzare on the radio as he writes. Peter Skank really needs to allow this debate. We may be witnessing another schism like the one between the Pope and Martin Luther. :confused: :smile:
Nice job with the smilies on the Phora thread. I got quite a laugh out of that post.
2005-02-12 22:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Just read Martin's latest poston being censored. So which is it? Are you phorafags or just plain feebs? Or perhaps Satan's spawn? Martin will no doubt conclude that the hand of Satan hasn't been idle in this case when he notes the edit: "the devil made me do it." :lol:
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Dave, I can only imagine what that post looked like before you cleaned it up. Must have been real fire and brimstone.[/QUOTE]Naw. I get tired of saving all my edits, but it was just a sentence or two relating back to the Downey's again I think.
He can rave or rant really all he wants to as far as I'm concerned just as long as he doesn't get into his pet vulgarities relating to the Downey's. Of course he bitches and moans -I suspect actually that the opportunity to stalk the Downey's is really the thing that keeps him going.
One thing that relates to his gib on the Downey's is I really don't see actually how the logic for it as a substantive fault of the Downey's. It strikes me that he's taking the side of Mrs. Downey's ex-husband, when it seems pretty clear cut that if there is a bona-fide scoundrel in the matter it was him, according to his story. It may or probably is entirely fictitious, sounds like a typical story an abusive ex would make up. Anyway he and all the VNN people are really all sordid misogynist's, besides being borderline psychopaths.
I haven't heard of anthing he's done lately really, but I'll be happy if he takes Tex's hint and skedaddles. He's a curiousity, and its fun to occasionally talk with the mad man from Borneo in a cage, but I think we've got better opportunities elsewhere now.
2005-02-12 23:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Dave,
As part of your ongoing sociological study of Lindstedtism you ought to check out that link to RBN. He sounds just as bizzare on the radio as he writes. Peter Skank really needs to allow this debate. We may be witnessing another schism like the one between the Pope and Martin Luther. :confused: :smile: What exactly is that link? Martin's website's a bit complicated.
Nice job with the smilies on the Phora thread. I got quite a laugh out of that post.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Actually I limited out on the emocions - had to cut them back :biggrin:
2005-02-12 23:30 | User Profile
Nah, it's over here. [url]http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Shank05.html[/url]
I had to look at the post again to be sure. I was able to access it via the ram file there. I let it run through the first hour (that takes about 15 minutes) doing important things like feeding the cat and then hit the second hour.
He got some good reviews there.
2005-02-13 14:43 | User Profile
Jason,
If you decide to get rid of Martin I ask that we keep his threads and posts. They should be put in a separate locked folder so that all can behold the lunacy of C.I. This would serve as a warning to those who are thinking about involving themselves with this cult.
2005-02-14 14:08 | User Profile
Jason,
Upon your review, Martin is no more.
He obviously didn't like my e-mail nor I his reply. The boy just doen't get it.
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Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Granby Piglice State, State of Missery, ZOGland Posts: 109 Thumbs down Re: An answer to Sertorius, your demand for my self-censorship. -Re: Note Quote: Originally Posted by Sertorius Quote: Originally Posted by MartinLindstedt
It was my account of the interview with Peter which was deleted. Peter didn't really know what to make of my call, other than that he wished to risk more. Tell you what, Martin and I'll put it in language that you are the most comfortable with. I don't give a damn how much you bitch about this. You have received a lot more leeway than most people. If you don't like it you can go back to the Phora. You want to make threats and engage in vulgarisms? Put it on your website. You can have all the freedom you want to make an ass out of yourself.
Quote: You act like Ashcroft, knowing that he is supposed to love the statue of Lady Justice, but offended at a bare boob with a bronze nipple. The wags all ended up figuring out which was the stupider boob of the two. (Or was that three?) I got some bad news for you, hoss. You ain't Martin Luther and this isn't the situation with the Bishop of Mainz. You can either act like a civilized White man or go somewhere else to post this crap.
This is all the time I wish to waste with you. It is up to Tex. My vote is to dump you like a hot turd. S. My response has always recognized that very little men placed in a position of power will almost always abuse that power. You got to accuse me of being vulgar, then you got in your own little vulgarism. Are you satisfied in your sanctimony?
I've never made any pretense to be anything that I am not, namely plain-spoken and to the point. My standard is whether or not something is true, not whether it will offend some moral eunuch or sanctimony sister. Yes, I recognize that ODES is a very stuffy, stuffy place full of old men who have forgotten what it was like to think young thoughts, if ever they had any.
I've been accused in a private kort, of sundry things, and I've made no defense for simply being myself, and holding myself to my standards, not yours, which I find to be foolish and artificial. If this discussion isn't up to "Martin Luther vs. The Bishop of Mainz" it is because I have respected your right, as well as inclination to keep this matter private, as opposed to public discussion of it. Therefore, it is yourselves who should be examining your own motivations and reasons for this behavior, as opposed to myself who am simply being honest with you.
What I find funny is that you all seem to simply have grown older, but not one bit wiser, in how you handle dissent than 24-year-old FakeTheFlake. You all seem to be in a lather, running about, worried about how much "latitude" in free speech you have measured out to myself by the grain, overly concerned that I might have gotten a teaspoon fill over my allotment, share and share alike with the dull and drab.
Don't you have an appreciation for how absurd you sound? No? Can it be that the clueless are clueless that they are clueless? Clueless? Moi? Perish the thought!, No!, perish him who thought it, then said it!!!
Vote as your little emotions dictate, Sertorius. You probably don't have enough imagination to figure out why nobody is ever grateful for censorship.
--Martin Lindstedt Forward Message
2005-02-14 15:30 | User Profile
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Bottom line: Lindstedt is just another vulgar loudmouth whose ego is too big to be contained on our pages. I have low tolerance for folks who think everything is about them.
Good riddance. Well done, Sert.
2005-02-14 15:36 | User Profile
Thanks, Jason.
With their leader gone the others are sure to follow. From reading their comments they take their cues from Martin and like an OSHA approved lawn mower without Martin holding the handle down they will shut down.
2005-02-14 16:27 | User Profile
Freedom of association wins again.
Since this is a public forum, I see little value in publicly witnessing to the man, or allowing his raves to gain implicit approval by staying up for view on the board.
Not that it matters to me personally, but I would not be comfortable having associations in my own public life with this person. It would affect my own witness, just as it has the witness of this board. My vote would be to do a full-out nuke on the raves; they have zero value except for voyeuristic curiousity.
2005-02-14 17:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Freedom of association wins again.
Since this is a public forum, I see little value in publicly witnessing to the man, or allowing his raves to gain implicit approval by staying up for view on the board. I certainly hope that allowing someone posts to remain on the board doesn't imply implicit approval. That would certainly hurt us in respect to a lot of other people besides Martin. We don't want to take the same tack as Free Republic.
Not that it matters to me personally, but I would not be comfortable having associations in my own public life with this person. It would affect my own witness, just as it has the witness of this board. My vote would be to do a full-out nuke on the raves; they have zero value except for voyeuristic curiousity.[/QUOTE]Again, as with an awful lot on this board.
I think we made, as we do with other people who post, a sort of unwritten contract to leave their record here, as its something they've worked on, as something we've agreed to hear as they've agreed to speak, which except in extreme circumstances should not be broken.
Martin was into a lot of stuff that I didn't fully realize, one reason for my nervousness about a continuing association with him. But leaving some posts on the board is a pretty innocuous reminder, and I think serves a certain very useful purpose, as Sert does. Especially since nuking as we found with AY is irreversible, and in his case seems to almost certainly have been a mistake, regretted by us and him alike.