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Thread ID: 16199 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2005-01-05
2005-01-05 17:55 | User Profile
Colonel Hans Ulrich Rudel, Germany's WWII 'super ace' flew 2,350 missions. His exploits were so incredible, that Adolf Hitler recognized Germany did not have a military decoration high enough to do justice to this superhero. Therefore he created a very special combat award especially and only for, his nation's 'Ace of Aces.'
Even when he lost a leg Rudel continued to fly the most hazardous missions, until the Fuhrer ordered him grounded, so as to 'preserve him as a shining example to the youth of Germany.'
Following the war Colonel Rudel, who was never considered a war criminal, worked tirelessly helping many National Socialist comrades exit Germany ahead of the revenge seeking Jews, and the victorious Allies. He formed the best financed and most successful of the National Socialist rescue groups which he called 'Kameradenwerk.'
Colonel Rudel was the man who not only helped his comrades, but through his efforts kept the spirit of Nazism alive. His book 'Trotzdem' ('In Spite of It'), called the bible of the Fourth Reich, was considered 'a monument for all who did their duty to Germany to the end.'
The following is Colonel Hans Rudel's quote regarding the Catholic Church and his work after the war:
"One may otherwise view Catholicism as he wishes. But what during those years the Church, especially certain towering personalities within the Church, undertook to save the best of our nation, often from certain death, must never be forgotten! And this aid was given not only to members of the faith, nor was it abused to catch the soul of the non-Catholics who benefited from it. It was given completely without ulterior motive, solely for the sake of the men thus saved. In Rome itself, the transit point of the escape routes, tremendously much was done. With it's own immense resources, the Church helped very many of us to go overseas. In this manner, in quiet secrecy, the demented victors, mad craving for revenge and retribution could be effectively countermanded."
Regards, vytis 'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'
2005-01-05 19:40 | User Profile
Thanks vytes, I'll have to read about him.
Was he the one with 165 enemys planes to his name? Maybe it was less but I do know that it was very high.
2005-01-05 20:48 | User Profile
It was exceptionally high, and strangely enough Ponce, I find that many students of WWII have never even heard of this outstanding German hero:Colonel Hans Ulrich Rudel.
Thanks for your input.
2005-01-05 21:30 | User Profile
Rudel wasn't a fighter pilot, he flew dive-bombers. His memoirs, Stuka Pilot, make some damn fine reading. The idea to sling twin 37mm cannons in pods under the wings of Stukas, turning them into early "tank killers" was his, I believe. He destroyed some huge number of Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front, more than 500, if I recall rightly. I don't know of the number of enemy planes he shot down, since the Stuka was hardly the ideal platform for such a mission, but it wouldn't surprise me if he bagged a few nonetheless. You may be thinking of any number of other Luftwaffe notables, such as Marseille (over 200 before his death in Sep. of '42) or Hartmann (352 downed and he survived the war). There were others of course. Gunther Rall, Adolph Galland and Walter Nowotny come to mind. The latter gentleman was crapped upon years after his death by being disinterred from an honorable plot in his native Austria and dumped in a pauper's hole at the insistence of whiny jews (redundant, I know). They apparently do not forgive or forget. I suggest we adopt the same model.
2005-01-05 22:36 | User Profile
Thanks for the excellent background info!!!
2005-01-05 23:11 | User Profile
Mad? it was Hartmann I was thinking about, I don't "study" history but I do read a little of everything.
2005-01-06 16:52 | User Profile
A little more on Rudel
[url]http://homepage.tinet.ie/~nightingale/hans.html[/url]
2005-01-06 17:48 | User Profile
A true hero of the motherland.
2005-01-06 19:43 | User Profile
[B]Fatherland[/B] That's Fatherland, Ponce.[B]Fatherland.[/B]
2005-01-06 19:44 | User Profile
That's Fatherland, Ponce. [u][B]Fatherland.[/B][/u]
2005-01-06 20:53 | User Profile
MST, I checked out the website.
Der Fuhrer's pride: Colonel Rudel was truly an incredible warrior!
Thanks again.
2005-01-07 01:15 | User Profile
Sorry about that, it is daddyland
2005-01-07 21:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Rudel wasn't a fighter pilot, he flew dive-bombers. His memoirs, Stuka Pilot, make some damn fine reading. The idea to sling twin 37mm cannons in pods under the wings of Stukas, turning them into early "tank killers" was his, I believe. He destroyed some huge number of Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front, more than 500, if I recall rightly.[/QUOTE]
Yes, he pesonally destroyed over 500 Soviet tanks, as well as single-handedly sinking a Soviet battleship.
2005-01-08 04:01 | User Profile
Rudel's accomplishments are nothing short of amazing.
If I may recomend, (blush), Erich Hartmann's incredible story: [url]http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://afmuseum.com/bookstore/books/blond_knight_germany.html&e=9833[/url]
Also the war from a landser's perspective: [url]http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1574882864%3Fv%3Dglance&e=9833[/url]
2005-01-08 16:14 | User Profile
Here's something else I found interesting about these two men.
I have almost two dozen books on Germany and WWII in my library, and yet I found only a tiny footnote on Colonel Rudel. As For Hartmann nothing.
Even my copy of 'Phoenix Triumphant' which focuses strictly on the Luftwaffe mentioned neither one of these great pilots.
Oddly enough, the book that led me to Colonel Rudel and originally starting this post, had nothing to do with air warfare. This source is about the post WWII search in South America for Martin Bormann and other Nazi leaders.
So we see it is true......Whoever wins a war writes it's history.
Regards to all, vytis
'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'
2005-02-12 23:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Rudel's accomplishments are nothing short of amazing.
If I may recomend, (blush), Erich Hartmann's incredible story: [url="http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://afmuseum.com/bookstore/books/blond_knight_germany.html&e=9833"]http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5&q=http://afmuseum.com/bookstore/books/blond_knight_germany.html&e=9833[/url]
Also the war from a landser's perspective: [url="http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1574882864%3Fv%3Dglance&e=9833"]http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1574882864%3Fv%3Dglance&e=9833[/url][/QUOTE]Are you either Mr. Toliver or Mr. Constable? Regardless, the book resides on its own shelf here with the tracts on Galland, Rudel, Baumbach, Marseille, Reitsch amongest others. It was a very well researched work, especially with some of the stories of his escapes - much like Rudel's accounts, being that they, unlike many of their compatriots, fought almost exclusively in the East - and his time in Gulag.
Gunther Just's photo-biography on Rudel is also a fine addition to any WWII/3rd Reich/Aviation Library, as well. [url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0887402526/qid=1108248544/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-1773419-6716048?v=glance&s=books"]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0887402526/qid=1108248544/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-1773419-6716048?v=glance&s=books[/url]