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Thread ID: 16035 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2004-12-19
2004-12-19 19:04 | User Profile
This may not be OD's can of beans, but the story has been so much fun that I decided to share it with you good folks. Some of you may only know me from the great triskelion debacle, but now you know I was right and spoke the truth. This story could turn into one of those. It has been pulled at Stormfront in a couple of versions since I joined there a couple of years back and I was immediately banned from a mainstream metal forum for it.
Here is a segment... link to a safe-harbour version I set up with more details follows:
I met Metallica in '89 and again in '91. The first time was on the And Justice tour in Florida. We skipped school and went to the hotel where they were staying. James got off the elevator on his way up from the pool and three of us were waiting to meet him. The first thing he notices is the Klan blood-drop patch on my army jacket. First of all... I wore this one for a year or more and NO ONE recognized it until Hetfield saw it... his eyes lit up and he asked, "Where'd you get THAT?!" I told him I found it in the flea market when I was just a kid and that stuff like that sometimes turns up in the south. He asked if he could have it and I said, "If you'll wear it." He said, "Hell yeah I'll wear it!"
I reached into my pocket for my knife and cut the patch off... just so happens it was a copper KKK knife. When I showed him that he asked, "You wouldn't want to part with that would you?" I said, "I'd have to buy myself another one. I'll sell it to you for five bucks." My dad was ordering knives through the mail and these were in the catalog at the time for that price.
James agreed. Having just come up from the pool, his hair still wet, he didn't have any cash on him. "Are you going to the show tonight?" he asked. Of course! "What about you catch up with me backstage after that?" Damn right! I couldn't believe the luck...
The concert kicked ass and after the show when I got backstage I felt someone tap me on the shoulder. It was James holding out his fist. I made a fist and banged knuckles with him. He shook his head, took my wrist with his other hand and held my palm out under his fist. Then he opened his fist and dropped a wadded up five-dollar bill in my hand. I got him to sign the vacant spot on my army jacket where the Klan patch had been. I am attaching a pic of James that a photographer I know took backstage that night that just happens to have me in it... on the right. And I've circled James' signature where the Klan patch used to be.
When they came back to Florida in '91 on the Black Album tour I went with one of my buddies who had gone backstage with me before. After the show we went around back and luckily ran into one of the roadies we had hung out with a couple of years earlier. We told him we knew James and Jason (who we had also met before) and had a gift. I unfolded the black Florida Knights of the Ku Klux Klan shirt I had brought, which featured a huge blood drop. The roadie said, "You know those guys alright," and grinned as he reached in his back pocket and brought out two passes for us.
When we got backstage and I met James again, I asked if he remembered the guy with the knife and patch last time through. He threw his head back with a smile, "That was you? OK!" I then opened the shirt I had brought to give him. With a smirk he took it from me, gave me a look and folded it back concealing the graphic and text and put it under his elbow on the table where he sat signing autographs. Next was Jason Newstead. We gave him one of our crappy band demos and then I handed him a business card for a P.O. Box group I was running called Aryan Southern Youth. The graphic was the North Afrika palm tree with swazi. When Jason figured out what it was he gave an "Aha!" and tucked it secretly away in his shirt pocket with a smile.
Next time I run across the box with my old souvenirs in it I will scan the red '91 tour patch that is signed "White Pride! Jaymz." I could also get some more pics and signed items from these two meetings... and one of me in the same jacket before WITH the patch on it... and if I still had the program from the And Justice tour which lists all their road crew I could pick out the name of the guy that let us backstage the second time and knew all about James and Jason's interests in white power. For now you'll just have to take my word and this pic...
Q. I have heard rumors of James being racist I am an Asian and I feel very out of place at times I am very devoted to METALLICA and am aware that 90% of METALLICA fans are white can you please put my mind at rest I know many non-white fans and am sure they feel the same.
The beefed up version as it currently (but likely not for long) appears at Stormfront:
[url]http://tinyurl.com/5sxtw[/url]
2004-12-19 19:38 | User Profile
I can confirm the plausability of this story, if not the specific veracity. I have lived in the San Francisco Bay Area (Metallica hails from the East Bay, i.e Oakland and Berkeley, etc. - gee, I wonder why guys who grew up near Oakland don't like Blacks?) almost my entire life (despite being an Alabama native, as I enjoy reminding everyone as often as possible), and most of my friends and I were big heavy metal enthusiasts during the 1980s and early 1990s. I have half a dozen friends who have met Metallica, some more than once, and they **ALL[/B], to a man, specifically cited Hetfield not only as an enthusiastic and vocal White racialist, but specifically an admirer of the Ku Klux Klan. Its interesting to note that Hetfield was one of the most highly regarded and visible public figures among White, suburban teenagers from approximately 1984 to sometime after they started going to seed, some time around 1991 or perhaps a little after. It seems a great opportunity has been squandered.
2004-12-19 20:51 | User Profile
I thought this sort of thing was probably common knowledge, but since I've started looking around the web... there is almost NO reference to James holding these opinions. Their publicity and legal team must do a heckuva a clean up job... I just can't imagine the sort of damage control it has taken to keep such stories off the 'net.
2004-12-20 15:28 | User Profile
School in Florida? I thought you were in Iceland. :dry:
2004-12-20 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]School in Florida? I thought you were in Iceland. :dry:[/QUOTE]
Very perceptive... people just won't stay put anymore!
Anyway, here is the way it is building up in some corners... banned, privileges revoked, posts pulled... what is it with the fear?
It's my contribution to restore folks appreciation in Metallica and because I really enjoyed everything up through And Justice for All...
It's also my offer to free James from the chains of jewish censorship... I know it has been painful all these years biting your tongue. I also know that you resent being shoved into the closet recently vacated by the faggots. Come out of the racist closet James!
Can you imagine if he got up the balls to say, "Yeah, that's right... I think the Klan was pretty cool."
I think I know where he's coming from. My grandpa was also Klan in the 1920s... along with about a quarter of the white people in America! The old school patriotic themes and attacks on modern govt. hypocrisy were all conservative Klan politics... Think about it... Don't Tread on Me! James is/was a fan of that lost spirit of America. Their old tunes are dripping with sentimental KKK-style patriotism.
If James comes out of the racist closet he will probably be in violation of some contract to tighten the vice on his testicles if he expresses "inappropriate" views. And if he breaks such a jew contract? Can you imagine if he came back with an ALL-WHITE record? Damn right I'd buy it...
Maybe Jason Newstead would be the first to substantiate my story, but he might stand to have his royalties snatched away.
That's what I want... for James and Jason to come out and show some Rebel Pride! Then they can slip me a million bucks when their WHITE album goes triple-platinum.
2004-12-21 03:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Iceland]If James comes out of the racist closet he will probably be in violation of some contract to tighten the vice on his testicles if he expresses "inappropriate" views. And if he breaks such a jew contract? Can you imagine if he came back with an ALL-WHITE record? Damn right I'd buy it...That's what I want... for James and Jason to come out and show some Rebel Pride! Then they can slip me a million bucks when their WHITE album goes triple-platinum.[/QUOTE]
Its an agreeable fantasy, but that's all. Do kids today care about Metallica? Are they even together as a band anymore? What portion of White kids don't prefer (c)rap these days? Twenty percent? Most of the White youth I encounter today listen to (c)rap, hang out with niggers, dress like niggers, talk like niggers, avoid gainful employment like niggers, consume excessive quanitities of hard drugs like niggers, and generally go to prison some time in their early 20s, just like the damn niggers. They are a liability, not a cause for hope.
Back in the 1980s, any White kid listening to (c)rap would have been universally derided as a "faggot who listens to that nigger shit," and gotten his ass kicked over it more than once. I personally remember ostracizing people, and yelling insults and threats at them, for no other reason than because I'd heard sounds coming from their portable stereos that reminded me of (c)rap (and I wasn't at all consciously racialist at the time; I'm talking about White kids here, by the way, as there were scarcely any other kind back then, and now they aren't even the majority).
I don't blame Hetfield for being a bit of a coward in the beginning, but after the release of "....And Justice for All," they were so fabulously wealthy it didn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, Hetfield is a miserable, rotten traitor who deserves to see everyone he loves get the treatment so many Whites are going to be getting in the years to come, due in large part to the fact that worthless, pansy-ass, money-grubbers like Hetfield were too cowardly to stand up for what it amuses them to imagine they believe. If Hetfield proves me wrong, I'll buy 20 copies of the first album he records with White racialist themes, and give them out to local White kids. I can't really afford to do that (it would cost nearly $400, which is a joke in and of itself), but then I'll never have to, will I?
People like Hetfield, who actually know better, are so much worse than your average soccer mom ignoramus who doesn't. Hetfield is what good people mean when they say "White trash."
2004-12-21 14:07 | User Profile
I saw Metallica in 1985 at a big club called L'Amour in Brooklyn shortly after the release of their best album to date "Ride The Lightening" and there were skinheads in attendence and they made their presence known. The closest to the stage was THEIRS and if you didn't want your face kicked in you stayed further towards the back.
Metallica is like Motorhead (who I saw at the same club later that same year) being that both bands were able to draw fans from the Metal crowd as well as the Hardcore/Punk crowds. Obviously, if you were in the scene then you damn well knew that the Punks hated the Metalheads and the two rarely mixed but like I said Metallica drew the skinheads to their shows, especially in the early tours up to "Master Of Puppets". After that, I lost interest in them, but I always thought that if the skinheads were that enthusiastic about Metallica, then there was something more about Metallica that I wasn't seeing at that time. It could've been they saw Metallica as a pro-White, Ayran type outfit that they could easily latch onto.
BTW, being a Metalhead, I never went to see the Dead Kennedys or Black Flag in their heydays but only after the Punks dropped those bands for committing the Punk rock cardinal sin: Got played on the radio. Then it was safe for me to go to the shows. The skinheads got respect back then.
It's interesting that James Hetfield would hold racialist views being that lead guitarist Kirk Hammett is a Mestizo and rumored, I repeat, rumored to be a homo. And I agree with everyone else, Lars Ulrich is a spoiled little brat who sucks on the drums.
2004-12-21 14:12 | User Profile
XMH, I saw Motorhead at the same venue. But the tour w/ Brian Robertson, though, so it might've been '83.
2004-12-21 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]XMH, I saw Motorhead at the same venue. But the tour w/ Brian Robertson, though, so it might've been '83.[/QUOTE]
Were there any skinheads at that show? I remember the suspender-wearing, Doc Maarten wearing, slam-dancing, clean-shaved-head skins at the show I went to in '85. Also there were the Lower East Side mohawk punks at the same show. That was kewl.
2004-12-21 15:01 | User Profile
Damned few that I could see, but that album - ANOTHER PERFECT DAY - was definitely one that appealed more to the hard rock/metal crowd than the Johnny-Rotten-come-latelies that crowded the bandwagon later on. It's the one where Robbo would sneak back into the studio at night to keep adding guitar overdubs to the mix, pissing off Lemmy no end. I still think it's their best.
But I'll never forget that show for another reason. That same night, head Jew Menachem Schneerson was arriving in Brooklyn to, I dunno, I guess [I]address the faithful [/I] or [I]toast the Jewish New Year with baby's blood [/I] or whatever it was he'd come from Israel to do. As you know, L'Amour's is on the outer border of Hymietown itself - Boro Park - and we took a route that bisected it on the way to the club. Well, never in my life have I seen such police presence. It staggered the imagination. At least five or six cop-cars on [I]every [/I] block for [I]a square mile [/I] around Ground Zhero, and a dozen uniformed officers on each street besides. More cops than I saw during 9/11.
I couldn't imagine [I]what [/I] had happened. At first we thought a bank robbery or a jewelry-store heist, but then dismissed it considering it was 9 pm already, six hours after the banks closed, and besides no mere heist was worth devoting 1000 cops to. Same thing re a gangland killing: too many cops covering too much ground. It couldn't've been a gas main blowing for the same reason it couldn't've been a terrorist attack: no earth-shattering noise, no gouts of smoke in the distance, no sirens, no screaming victims, etc. Just cops. Lots and lots of cops.
When we finally found out just why a thousand cops and five hundred cars were securing all this territoery, we looked at each other and said in unison: "Who the f**k is [I]Menachem Schneerson[/I]?!?" (This was 20 years ago when I thought that an Elder of Zion just meant a very old Jew.)
2004-12-21 15:33 | User Profile
I didn't realize that this is a racist forum.
How many racists do you think consider themselves conservative, and how could this be changed for the better?
2004-12-21 15:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I saw Metallica in 1985 at a big club called L'Amour in Brooklyn shortly after the release of their best album to date "Ride The Lightening"[/QUOTE]
Yes, that definitely was their best album, by far. I saw them three times myself, in '86, '88 and '89. I would pay to avoid seeing the dreck they put out now performed live (assuming they are even together as a band anymore; I certainly don't intend to try finding out).
2004-12-21 16:09 | User Profile
Good morning, J.
[QUOTE=J.Stevens]I didn't realize that this is a racist forum.
Please define racist. That's a pretty loaded term and depending on how you are using it would determine my retort to your assessment of this board.
How many racists do you think consider themselves conservative, and how could this be changed for the better?[/QUOTE]
Again, I'm not sure which way you are going with this question. I will say in general that I don't see how one can be a 'conservative' here in the States without having some level of racial recognition/awareness inform your ideology. What say ye?
2004-12-21 16:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=J.Stevens]I didn't realize that this is a racist forum.
We prefer that Western Civilization continue, and in order to do so, the nations must remain genetically Western, so to speak. However much this fact may seem unfair or distasteful to you, an America, Canada, Australia, Britain or France that is predominantly inhabited by nonWhite people (as is projected to be the case in ALL majority White nations, other than Iceland, by the year 2100) will be a Third World nation. Do you want to live in the Third World? If your answer is no, you are effectively as racist as the rest of us, even if you lack the understanding of human social dynamics and/or the intellectual honesty to realize/admit it. I assume you don't wish to live in a Third World America/Canada/wherever?
[QUOTE=J.Stevens]How many racists do you think consider themselves conservative, and how could this be changed for the better?[/QUOTE]
Define "better" in the context of your question. In any event, not everyone here is a (paleo)conservative. I, for instance, am a national socialist ("Nazi"), albeit a skeptical and reluctant one (we're not a faction known our for reluctant skeptics, needless to say). So no, I'm not a conservative, but I'd be willling to compromise with patriotic paleo-conservatives such as Patrick J. Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, Joseph Sobran, Samuel Francis, Peter Brimelow, etc., in order to restore the character of the American Republic we had back when, say, Kennedy was in office (or better yet, Coolidge). I consider neo-"conservative" Republicans, such as our President, to be worse than the liberal Democrats, as do many of the paleo-con types here.
In any event, there is nothing about conservatism that is contradicted by White racialism. Indeed, the two notions are highly complementary within the American, European, Canadian, Audtralian and New Zealander contexts, respectively. For example, White racialism was an innate part of the earliest days of Colonial America until LBJ, i.e. from approximately 1510 until 1964. The idea that the ideas associated with it have beed discredited, merely because the media, academia and the Federal, state & local governments keep claiming that they have been, is ludicrous. There is no serious evidence in opposition to the ideas behind White racialism, and a wealth of evidence in support of it. The only justification for abandoning White racialism is the embrace, by people who still imagine themselves to be "conservative," of the liberal, egalitarian, secular humanist civic religion associated with the political left in this country. A "conservative" who embraces a Communist Party member and Jacobin egalitarian fanatic like Martin Luther King Jr. is certainly no conservative at all. He's a dupe of the leftists. He needs to wake up.
People oppose White racialism (while generally turning a blind eye to all other racialisms) because of a belief that it is somehow immoral. I don't happen to subscribe to any religion that tells me any such thing. I doubt you do consciously either, so what you need to do is shed yourself of your unconscious and tacit acceptance of all the evil the liberals wrought from the 1930s to the present day. Do you really believe that the ideological forebearers of Little Teddy No-Pants Kennedy and Hillary Clinton were on the side of the angels a few decades ago, any more than they are today? If so, why?
2004-12-21 17:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I have half a dozen friends who have met Metallica, some more than once, and they ALL, to a man, specifically cited Hetfield not only as an enthusiastic and vocal White racialist, but specifically an admirer of the Ku Klux Klan. [/QUOTE] You don't praise him for being a hater, do you?
2004-12-22 01:29 | User Profile
J.Stevens,
This is not a racist forum. It is a conservative/right-wing/Patriot Forum. It is uncensored unless one posts something sick. The members of this forum are very a very deverse gourp of people. I am very pro-diversity; of ultra-rightists that is! So do not get upset if someone said something you do not like, just say what you think.
And enjoy the Forum. :cheers:
2004-12-22 06:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=J.Stevens]You don't praise him for being a hater, do you?[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what a "hater" is, other than a propagandistic term of left-wing political derision. After all, we each hate various things, so why should some hatreds earn one the label of "hater," while other hatreds do not? In any event, I can't really speak for Mr. Hetfield, whom I suspect is a somewhat intellecually and morally bankrupt imbecile, but for myself, I do not hate members of other races. I do hate many of the things they do, and I hate the way it often feels to be around them and their unpleasant and degrading ways, but I no more hate them (or at least I strive not to, and believe I am correct in so striving, and I encourage to similarly strive; I am not always 100% successful in the goal of cleansing my mind of retrograde racial hatred, I must admit) than I hate sharks or bad weather. These things are merely an innate part of life on planet Earth, and hating them is foolish. Negroids are as much a part of the organic unfolding of the evolution of the Universe as are my Europid people. We both deserve to have a chance to survive and fulfill our respective destinies. This would be best accomplished by relocating all White people in Africa to Europe, North America, Australia & New Zealand, while removing all Negroids from those respective places, and humanely repatriating them back to Africa. Similar procedures should ensue with regard to the peoples of east Asia, the Middle East, the mestizos of Latin America, and those Whites living in east Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, etc.
It is in our mutual and collective self-interest for us each to have the, dare I say it, **LIVING SPACE[/B] we each need, as a genetically and culturally unique people, to be able to secure for ourselves and our posterity an existence that is in accord with whom we each are. "Hate" simply has nothing to do with it (although the exasperation that is an integral part of the multiracialist national experience can unfortunately express itself in terms that are indistinguishable from hatred, as I recently did with regard to the singularly distasteful Hmong people, in response to learning how one of them recently murdered six of my people in one of our traditional homelands, i.e. Wisconsin).
2004-12-22 06:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]JI am very pro-diversity[/QUOTE]
Diversity is a fine thing, so long as it occurs within the context of separate nations, preferably on separate continents.
2004-12-22 11:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=J.Stevens]You don't praise him for being a hater, do you?[/QUOTE]
Yes... I do.
"We're not going to argue with these people." -Amon Goeth, from Schindler's List.
2004-12-22 14:46 | User Profile
Kevin_O'Keeffe,
Do you read what said? It was a joke. I said I was for a diversity of Right-wing extremists.
[QUOTE]I am very pro-diversity; of ultra-rightists that is![/QUOTE]
2004-12-22 21:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Do you read what said? It was a joke. I said I was for a diversity of Right-wing extremists.[/QUOTE]
I read it. I was just playing off some of your words in order to illustrate a point in the direction this supposedly conservative anti-racist. I wasn't directly replying to what you had said per se, as I was well aware it was a joke....
2004-12-23 00:27 | User Profile
Kevin_O'Keeffe
Well OK. I think Jim Kalb covered this topic better than we can.
"Anti-racism" By Jim Kalb [url]http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/apr2000/articles/jk_antiracism.html[/url]
Traditionalist Conservatism Page [url]http://www.counterrevolution.net/trad.html[/url]
:cheers: