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Thread ID: 15993 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2004-12-16
2004-12-16 08:07 | User Profile
Con: [URL=http://antiwar.com/justin/]The Yushchenko 'Poison Plot' Fraud [/URL]
Pro: [URL=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=293189151&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1&t=-1]AP: Yushchenko Has Historic Dioxin Level [/URL]
Personally, I'm starting to go with the Pro. The hard evidence seems to be there. All that Raimondo has seems to be innuendo. Admittedly there's always a lot of it in Eastern European politics, but here I think he might be missing the forest for the trees.
2004-12-16 09:06 | User Profile
[url]http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_fr.html[/url]
This makes it clear that Yushchenko's doctor now says that there is no trace of dioxin in Mr. Yushchenko. This is impossible given that rate of metabolism for dioxin is known and it stays for years in the human body.
2004-12-16 18:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman][url]http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_fr.html[/url]
This makes it clear that Yushchenko's doctor now says that there is no trace of dioxin in Mr. Yushchenko. This is impossible given that rate of metabolism for dioxin is known and it stays for years in the human body.[/QUOTE]I thought he said the levels had "returned to normal".
Anyway, its a complicated saga. Its like in a criminal case, no prosecution scenario, even supposedly the most air-tight, is ever without some question marks. You have really IMO to go back to the smoking gun points. And here, Yushchenko's face and elevated levels are really hard to explain away. Botched surgery? Typical Ukrainian food? I don't think so.
2004-12-16 18:26 | User Profile
Yanukovich is the duly elected president of Ukraine and should remain so.
I listen to which side the American press takes and then I take the opposite side of the story as closest to the real truth.
2004-12-16 19:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] Yushchenko's face and elevated levels are really hard to explain away. Botched surgery? Typical Ukrainian food? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
How about alcoholic pancreatitis that complicates rosacea?
[url]http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/attack_of_the_p.html[/url]
Not only is Yushchenko the neocon "great defender of democracy" of the month but he's also a wino. Quite an accomplishment even for a young East European gangster.
2004-12-16 20:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman]How about alcoholic pancreatitis that complicates rosacea?
[url]http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/attack_of_the_p.html[/url]
Have you ever seen someone's face change like that just from too much wine?
Not only is Yushchenko the neocon "great defender of democracy" of the month but he's also a wino. Quite an accomplishment even for a young East European gangster.[/QUOTE] Give me a break. Probably half the pols in Eastern Europe are wino's. And probably gangsters too. On either side. If they don't have some ties here its probably hard for them to survive.
Granted, he's no angel himself, but let's not put his opponents, Yanukovich and Putin, on a pedestal either.
2004-12-17 00:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Have you ever seen someone's face change like that just from too much wine?
No, but then again I'm not a dermatologist.
Give me a break. Probably half the pols in Eastern Europe are wino's. And probably gangsters too. On either side. If they don't have some ties here its probably hard for them to survive.
Granted, he's no angel himself, but let's not put his opponents, Yanukovich and Putin, on a pedestal either.[/QUOTE]
True enough. I didn't mean to sound combative. The theory that Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin is quite frankly a claim I find unbelievable with the facts that are available now. I think he's playing some sort of political game especially with his wife suddenly "remembering" his kiss tasting of poison.
2004-12-17 03:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Oklahomaman]No, but then again I'm not a dermatologist.
You don't have to be a dermatologist to know something out of the ordinary happened, looking at the before/after pictures. Its more than a simple case of red skin/acne. The difference was so extreme, the Yuschenko skeptics on the thread had to make the laughable claim that the "after" picture wasn't really his - something that for a public figure is rather hard to fake.
True enough. I didn't mean to sound combative. The theory that Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin is quite frankly a claim I find unbelievable with the facts that are available now. I think he's playing some sort of political game especially with his wife suddenly "remembering" his kiss tasting of poison.[/QUOTE]
Anecdotal evidence can seem, and sound, strange at times. But dioxin poisoning as I understand it is not a commonly studied thing. I don't think we can dismiss it. Admittedly there is a very high degree of intrigue, so I can understand holding off a bit ones judgement. But I think increasingly there is evidence something very out of the ordinary physically that happened to Yushchenko.
Now if someone comes up with a picture that shows he's returned to normal, I'll change my mind.