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Thread ID: 15976 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2004-12-15
2004-12-15 02:38 | User Profile
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I posted this link at another forum, so I figured I would post it here, too:
[url]http://www.whitealert.com/jews_in_american_communism_list.htm[/url]
2004-12-15 04:04 | User Profile
When hat guy was going after the commise back then I was wondering how come he was going after so many Jews and it wasent till ten years ago that I learned that the Jews were the cause (founders) of the Communist Party.
That was what got me interested in learning more about the Jews and the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REAL JEWS AND THE ZIONISTS, all along to me they were the same people.
One of this days the Zionists will try to controll the internet in order to do as they are doing in our daily life in America.
The Zionists under the disguise of being Jews have done so much damage to this world that it is hard to believe.
I only wish that the American people would educate themselves in regards to the Jews in order to protect themselves against them.
"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark",,, Ponce
2004-12-15 10:38 | User Profile
The focus on the Shemitic aspects of modern Communism mainly serves as an alibi for the ignorant and the ineffectual. Why did Communism appear in the first place? The stain of Communism would never have penetrated so effectively had not the Western world's dissipated moral energy and enfeebled institutions permitted it to do so. Communism represents a further intensification of a long-rotting illness. Before the Rabbi's son Marx preached his murderous philosophy, Communism was insidiously developed in the decadent upper classes of Western Europe, where the English materialist world-view found its prophets in Rousseau and Voltaire. Bolshevism is merely the later inevitable expression of 'liberalism'. What is the real difference between Jacobinism and Bolshevism? Anglo-Saxons like Adams, Hartley, Priestley, Mandeville, Bentham, in association with likeminded Gallic maniacs, were the true seed-men of destruction.
The germs of subversion go deeper into Western history. If we had the guts, we would see dear Luther for what he really was: a mutilator posing as an emancipator. The individualistic-humanistic-rationalistic superstition was the chief means of upsetting all authority. Luther significantly foreshadowed the democratic degradation of the idea of the State, a degradation further perfected by Calvin. The concept that the rulers do not govern by virtue of their nature, but because they are representatives of the community--with this a catastrophic severance of spiritual and temporal power was achieved, and the path to Marxian blood-orgies of proletarian upheavel virtually assured. The last expression of true Power in the West, the Medieval Imperial Ideal, crumbled before unworthy men, and we see the results before us in our present morass: sheer demagogism on every plane.
Plato understood this perfectly, and wrote his Republic to counter the claims of the demonic usurpers and demagogic communists of his day. The same bestializing forces that overtook ancient Hellas and ancient Rome are eerily apparent to-day. We are dealing above all else with cyclical conditions, not racial.
2004-12-15 15:16 | User Profile
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I think that's a variation of the old "Jews? Where?" routine.
I'm not buying it. No sale [cash register sound: cling, cling]
2004-12-15 17:30 | User Profile
What HrodbertAntoninus is saying, with his flowery writing, is that the Jews (Zionists) are still scre*ing us but with a new tactic.
2004-12-17 20:23 | User Profile
HrodbertAntoninus has a few legitimate points, but he won't get far if he insists on starting out by calling people ignorant and innefectual.
He's right though that constantly blaming Jews is a mistake. Western culture was not built on a victim mentality. I am not interested in beating the Jews at their own game. (Although I don't think Franco's link implies that Jews are solely responsible; it merely documents their involvement.)
The communist movement predates Marx; in fact Marx hijacked it as a vehicle for his own ideas and probably galvanized counter-revolutionary forces as much as he fired up the communists themselves. Before Marx communism was too vague a collection of movements for anyone to nail down. I also agree that Marxism could only take root in a society where Calvinism had prepared people. Marx's view that all society is based on domination and oppression and all authority is suspect, is the bastard child of Calvinism just like a lot of modern feminism is an extension of puritanism. Calvinism centers the human mind on man and his badness rather than on God and redemption. I know I might get some flak on this, but even Calvinists should agree that Marx twisted Calvin's teaching in to something worse.
The Jews themselves were a pastoral people at one time until their culture degenerated into mercantile greed for profit. The Hebrew scriptures seem to suggest Babylon as the source of this mercantalism. Revelations also connects Babylon with the merchants of the world. The Jews are just tools of a greater evil. A movement based merely on demonizing jews is built on sand.
2004-12-18 12:40 | User Profile
Here's an interesting comment I found regarding the Communist Movement in Germany, by the courageous WWII era 'radio priest,' Father Charles Coughlin:
"Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders....if not the foot and hand leaders....of Marxist atheism in Germany were Jews."
Regards, vytis
'We deserted God and so God deserted us' Quote: Robert Ley, National Socialist Director of the German Labor Front
2004-12-18 20:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=LlenLleawc]The communist movement predates Marx; in fact Marx hijacked it as a vehicle for his own ideas and probably galvanized counter-revolutionary forces as much as he fired up the communists themselves. Before Marx communism was too vague a collection of movements for anyone to nail down. I also agree that Marxism could only take root in a society where Calvinism had prepared people. Marx's view that all society is based on domination and oppression and all authority is suspect, is the bastard child of Calvinism just like a lot of modern feminism is an extension of puritanism. Calvinism centers the human mind on man and his badness rather than on God and redemption. I know I might get some flak on this, but even Calvinists should agree that Marx twisted Calvin's teaching in to something worse.[/QUOTE]
Hello Llen,
Putting aside for now the question on whether or not Calvinism centers the human mind on man rather than God and redemption (which at least on the surface I would strongly disagree with), maybe you can connect some dots here that I'm having trouble with.
Did not Marxism/Communism 'take root' in Russian Orthodox soil more than anywhere else? How many Calvinists were there in Russia in the early 20th century? I'm not thinking too many, but maybe I'm missing something somewhere. If you get a chance, maybe you could flesh that out a little for me. Tks,
2004-12-22 03:45 | User Profile
TD,
You're absolutely right that Calvinism was absent from Russia, but Marxism came out of Germany. The bolshevik revolution was led by such a small percentage of Russia's population that I don't know if it is right to say it took root in Russia; It was more like a foriegn parasite that attached itself to Russia. The communist movement was much stronger in Germany prior to WWII than it was in Russia prior to WWI (one of the reasons so many Germans were attracted to NS).
Anyway, I try not to step on toes on theological matters. I believe like C.S. Lewis that if man were wholly degenerate, he would not even know he was bad and would not seek anything better. This makes Calvinism seem incorrect to me(although I would not question the salvation of any Christian). I'll content myself with saying that Marxism is only a perversion of Calvinism not an extension of it.
2004-12-22 15:25 | User Profile
[B] - "You're absolutely right that Calvinism was absent from Russia, but Marxism came out of Germany."[/B]
The strongest Communist parties and rebellions in Western Europe were in Roman Catholic countries like France, Italy and Spain.
Revolutionary anarchism also flourished in these countries (and Latin America) in a much greater scale than in Protestant countries.
Here's what Eastern Orthodox writer Fyodor Dostoevsky thought about this issue in his famous book "The Idiot":
[I] "In my opinion the Roman Catholic religion is not a faith at all, but simply a continuation of the Roman Empire, and everything is subordinated to this idea--beginning with faith. The Pope has seized territories and an earthly throne, and has held them with the sword. And so the thing has gone on, only that to the sword they have added lying, intrigue, deceit, fanaticism, superstition, swindling;--they have played fast and loose with the most sacred and sincere feelings of men;--they have exchanged everything--everything for money, for base earthly power! And is this not the teaching of Anti-Christ? How could the upshot of all this be other than Atheism? Atheism is the child of Roman Catholicism--it proceeded from these Romans themselves, though perhaps they would not believe it. It grew and fattened on hatred of its parents; it is the progeny of their lies and spiritual feebleness. Atheism! In our country it is only among the upper classes that you find unbelievers; men who have lost the root or spirit of their faith; but abroad whole masses of the people are beginning to profess unbelief--at first because of the darkness and lies by which they were surrounded; but now out of fanaticism, out of loathing for the Church and Christianity!"
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"Why, Socialism is the progeny of Romanism and of the Romanistic spirit. It and its brother Atheism proceed from Despair in opposition to Catholicism. It seeks to replace in itself the moral power of religion, in order to appease the spiritual thirst of parched humanity and save it; not by Christ, but by force. 'Don't dare to believe in God, don't dare to possess any individuality, any property! Fraternite ou la Mort; two million heads."[/I]
[url]http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/idiot/45?term=atheism[/url]
Petr
2004-12-23 01:14 | User Profile
We are getting into some issues that may belong in another thread...I do not mean to blame Calvinism for Communism, if that were my intent I would stick to blaming Jews. All I am saying is that the fascination with human guilt led to some twisted ideas. Any system that rejects the ideals of nobility and heroism eventually winds up with some garbage like communism.
The Catholic church's expansive and majestic imperial pageantry was one of its strong points. After it persecuted the noble Templars and other crusaders, it lost some of its mystical imperial impetus. Thus it was going through the same process of shunning the dynamic and the strong and worshipping weakness that many(not all) protestant churches were going through at that time. The church is not perfect and no one needs to be offended that I believe the church has sunk into a spirit of weakness and defeat in modern times. I am not blaming or disrespecting the church. Catholicism is a great religion, but some priests have often made the same mistake of focusing on guilt. No surprise that this can lead to communism and also atheism. It strengthens my hypothesis.
The biblical teaching is that man cannot attain nobility, dignity or honor without the grace of God. Calvinism took this further and said that man is incapable of any of those things, making any form of nobility suspect(Although it was actually the Council of Dort not Calvin himself that solidified the five points of Calvinism from my understanding.) The next logical step was for Marx to come along and say that nobility and honor were tools of oppression fashioned by the strong to exploit the weak. Once Churches began teaching that man is hopelessly degenerate it was a matter of time before someone would craft a philosophy that celebrated degeneracy and weakness.
Marxism of course is much more than a political or economic system, it is a sociological theory explaining human behavior in terms of domination and oppression. It is this aspect of it that has most influenced protestant nations. It is the reason some Americans can feel guilty about slavery when Britain and America were among the first nations to abolish slavery. It is a sick mindset that equivocates guilt with sensitivity.
The point is not to blame any religion for communism. (It would be just as true to say Maosim dominated in China because Buddhism had long taught the Chinese to accept whatever came their way. This doesn't mean Buddhism is to blame for communism but that the Chinese must look inwards and re-evaluate their traditions if they want to preserve their future.) We must be aware of Jewish plotting but we also must look inwards to build a society that is strong enough to make communism look silly in comparison.
Sorry if I can't respond for a few days; I'll be gone. Merry Christmas to everyone at OD.