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Thread ID: 15873 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2004-12-03
2004-12-03 21:30 | User Profile
[I]What's going on? Is Putin right? Wrong? Pissed off? I tend to think he's more right than wrong, at least on these comments in this article, especially, of course, on the Debacle in Iraq. [/I]
[SIZE=3]Russia's Putin Calls U.S. Policy 'Dictatorial'[/SIZE]
Fri Dec 3,12:03 PM ET
By Douglas Busvine
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) accused the United States on Friday of pursuing a dictatorial foreign policy and said mounting violence could derail progress toward bringing peace and democracy to Iraq (news - web sites).
Putin also criticized the West for setting double-standards on terrorism, pursuing Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq while giving refuge to "terrorists" demanding Chechnya (news - web sites)'s independence from Russia.
The Kremlin leader's tough remarks came on a visit to former Cold War ally India, where he and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh issued a joint call for greater cooperation in stabilizing and rebuilding Iraq.
Unilateralism increased risks that weapons of mass destruction might fall into the hands of terrorists, and would stoke regional conflicts, Putin said in a hard-hitting speech to an invited audience.
"Even if dictatorship is packaged in beautiful pseudo-democratic phraseology, it will not be able to solve systemic problems," Putin said. "It may even make them worse."
Putin did not name the United States, but clearly had the administration of President Bush (news - web sites) in mind when he said policies "based on the barrack-room principles of a unipolar world appear to be extremely dangerous."
Russia was a vocal opponent of the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), but has since joined efforts to rebuild Iraq's war-hit infrastructure. Moscow's assent was key to a recent Paris Club deal to write off most of Iraq's foreign debts.
MOUNTING VIOLENCE
Putin said he was worried by mounting violence and loss of life linked to operations by U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq, and said these may disrupt plans to hold elections now scheduled for Jan. 30, 2005.
Again the Russian leader was not specific, but he appeared to be referring to the U.S. operation to crush die-hard insurgents in the Iraqi city of Falluja.
"This may put a question mark over holding of fair and democratic elections in Iraq early next year," he said.
Putin's speech echoed comments he made earlier to an Indian newspaper in which he said the war had turned Iraq into a breeding ground for terrorists.
"As had been the case with Afghanistan, Iraq turned into a major hotbed of a terrorist threat, a firing ground and incubator for militants," he told the Hindu newspaper.
He rounded on Britain for giving asylum to Akhmed Zakayev and the United States for giving refuge to Ilyas Akhmadov, spokesmen for Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov.
"Providing safe haven and support to terrorists, their accomplices and sponsors actually serves as a justification and, indeed, an encouragement of their crimes," Putin said.
Both men deny being terrorists. Maskhadov, regarded in the West as a moderate, led Chechnya to brief de facto independence during the 1990s before Putin ordered Russian troops to retake the turbulent North Caucasus province.
Putin, who backed India's bid for a United Nations (news - web sites) Security Council seat, said he had found in India a strong ally against terrorism.
"Terrorists benefit from the conflict of civilizations and religions," he told the hand-picked New Delhi audience. "Let it be known that our multi-confessional and multi-ethnic states will not be broken up."
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&u=/nm/20041203/ts_nm/russia_putin_dc_1&printer=1[/url]
2004-12-03 21:54 | User Profile
Putin is 100% right and we have been 100% [color=red]wrong[/color] from Bosnia to Iraq and everything in between!
2004-12-04 00:54 | User Profile
Can we judge any other country after what the US is doing in Iraq and elsewhere??????? the conditions in Iraq are like in the state of Israel and that means that even if the US were to leave Iraq then the Zionist would take over.
Then we would go into Iran in order to soften them up for the Zionists and then to Syria?
At this time, if I were one, I would be ashame of being a Muslim, to me being a Muslim, or an Arab, would be more inportant than being from a different country in the Arab world.
Unite and conquer or stay apart and die.
2004-12-10 03:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Can we judge any other country after what the US is doing in Iraq and elsewhere??????? the conditions in Iraq are like in the state of Israel and that means that even if the US were to leave Iraq then the Zionist would take over.
Then we would go into Iran in order to soften them up for the Zionists and then to Syria?
At this time, if I were one, I would be ashame of being a Muslim, to me being a Muslim, or an Arab, would be more inportant than being from a different country in the Arab world.
Unite and conquer or stay apart and die.[/QUOTE]
Where do I start ? This utter idiocy is not worthy of a reply.
2004-12-10 05:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Where do I start ? This utter idiocy is not worthy of a reply.[/QUOTE]
You have just done so my Jewish friend, ufffffffffff, Shalom and Saalam Aleikum.
2004-12-10 07:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Where do I start ? This utter idiocy is not worthy of a reply.[/QUOTE]
Then why are you replying?
2004-12-10 12:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Putin is 100% right and we have been 100% [color=red]wrong[/color] from Bosnia to Iraq and everything in between![/QUOTE]
Bosnia only takes it back to 1996. I'd say we need to go back AT LEAST until Panama in 1989 (thus taking in Somalia and Haiti as well), and other than with regard to the Cold War (although not including the unjustified conflicts in arguably Korea and especially Indochina), we could take it all the way to our liberating the Isthmus province of Colombia (in order to build the Panama Canal) in 1905 (which was justified on the basis of raw national interest, irrespective of such niceties as the national sovereignty of Colombia). Our foreign policy has been a mess ever since Woodrow Wilson took us to war on the side of Britain, France and Russia in 1917, for, um, no particularly good reason....
2004-12-11 00:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Then why are you replying?[/QUOTE]
Because I am making a statement about Ponce and his/her posts. I understtand that he or her is Cuban, but if you look at his posts, they are about 70 % of them nonsense. He seems to be carrying a flag which says " at least I'm not Jewish ". Moreover he is at a 3rd grade level in his understanding of the world.
2004-12-11 00:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Because I am making a statement about Ponce and his/her posts. I understtand that he or her is Cuban, but if you look at his posts, they are about 70 % of them nonsense. He seems to be carrying a flag which says " at least I'm not Jewish ". Moreover he is at a 3rd grade level in his understanding of the world.[/QUOTE]
Hummmmmmm well my Jewish friend Deo,,,,,I am male, Cuban, not a Jew and as far as a "3rd grade level" hummmmmm?????? you could be right about that, I think in simple terms and I always try to keep my world in black and white and try to stay beyond the pretty pink and nice little duckies which to me is nothing more than propaganda.
"Usually those that talk a lot have nothing to say",,,,, Ponce
And that's why I keep it short and to the point, if you think that what I have to say is "nonsense" well that's you opinion and maybe the oppinion of problably 95% of the members of this distinguish board, but hey!!!!! I am what I am and don't pretend to be what I am not.
"Love me for what I am and not for what you want me to be",,, Ponce
PS: it is he or "she" is Cuban and not he or her,,,,,,,I think, lol.
2004-12-11 11:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Because I am making a statement about Ponce and his/her posts. I understtand that he or her is Cuban, but if you look at his posts, they are about 70 % of them nonsense. He seems to be carrying a flag which says " at least I'm not Jewish ". Moreover he is at a 3rd grade level in his understanding of the world.[/QUOTE]
He's on our side, he obviously means well, and he probably comes off a bit more erudite in his native Spanish, so why be rude?
2004-12-11 14:27 | User Profile
Thanks for your words Kevin but I am on no ones side and this is a matter between the Jewish Deo and myself,,,,,, the usual tactics of the Jews is to insult a person when they don't like what that person is saying so to me is nothing new.
At least they are comming out of the closet and we know who they are and that gives me another toy to play with.
I have all the self confidence to face anything or anyone on my own , I came from Cuba with nothig and now I am very confortable after coming up with my own idea (invention) and opening my own company, because I am not greedy I gave mysef 10 to 12 years to make X ammount of money, I made it in six and then I sold my company and retired : ))))))))))).
So bring it on my dear Jewish friends, [B]as long as I am not banned from OD [/B] I'll be here waiting for you and [B]if you no longer see me [/B] [U]is because some black force took over OD.[/U]
2004-12-11 16:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Thanks for your words Kevin but I am on no ones side
What I meant by that was your supportive positions towards Cuba and the USA (despite the corrupt forms those two nations presently manifest in), and your opposition to Zionism, and seemingly the larger Jewish agenda, makes it evident you are, however you describe it, a partisan for the survival and the success of Western Civilization. I wasn't suggesting you had converted to Christianity (heck, neither have I), or were part of the Original Dissent public relations squad (not that such exists).
2004-12-15 05:01 | User Profile
Ponce, I'm not Jewish... My comments were about the quality of your posts, and I apologize for offending you, truly. I will not do it again. You are on our team, and I never meant to insult you, I was only commenting on your posts.btw, your comments about me being Jewish are surely falling on deaf ears.. I know that English is not your master language, and I respect you, truly.
2004-12-15 05:27 | User Profile
Anyway amigo, you can only insult me if I allowed you to insult me, after all this are only words in a comp and you are not stading before me while holding a firearm.
As far as the "quality" of my posts? I don't give you flowers but the truth according to Ponce. If you want bull from me you better look elsewhere.
Kevin? "for the survival and the success of the Western civilization"? uyyyyy amigo that's what I call "fancy talk" and way beyond my poor knowledge, I care more about the "survival" of Ponce, lol.
2004-12-15 15:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Kevin? "for the survival and the success of the Western civilization"? uyyyyy amigo that's what I call "fancy talk" and way beyond my poor knowledge, I care more about the "survival" of Ponce, lol.[/QUOTE]
You've got to give me some leeway on this kind of thing. Stringing words together in fancy ways is one of only two things I'm any good at it, so naturally I do it (you'll have to ask my wife about the other thing I'm good at). If I were an artist, or had some success in a vocation of some form or another, or had any tangible skills or talents what-so-ever, I might not feel the need to constantly display my abilities, such as they are, with the written word. But since that's all I can do, well, what else can you expect of me? I suck at everything else....
2004-12-15 16:58 | User Profile
I love to see the English language being used in the correct context and with the proper grammar,,,,,now because I don't own a Rolls-Royce it does not mean that I dont admire them.
I was only making clean fun of you, after all tha's what you would expect to read from a dumb Cuban refugee,,,,,,,lol.
"The world is my playground and people are my toys",,,,,, Ponce