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Thread ID: 15856 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2004-12-02
2004-12-02 05:33 | User Profile
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Great, you want to fight for your race. You are a White Nationalist and whether you choose to fight legally or illegally, as a lonewolf or join a organization, you are out for victory. The movement isn't that big, but you definitely are not alone. In fact, alot of people would say that we have enough members already to make some big, legal, displays. I am one of these people. I believe that just within the National Alliance alone, we have enough people to get some national media attention. If me and the others are right, then why isn't this happening?
The National Alliance is the biggest organization in the movement. Surely, they must be doing something right, right? Well let us first look at what they are doing. They have a weekly internet radio show, that I have enjoyed many times. They have increased their flyer operations, beyond any other organization. They have a wide selection of CDs, DVDs, books, videos, and other media they sell. They have a news site telling of the latest developments. They have a website that offers the newly awakened a descent amount of information to understand the truth about the jews and their lies.
All this is good, but they have been doing most of this for years. The truth is that they need to have that internet radio programming last longer, not just a new half hour every week. They need material that can take the place of mainstream radio and tv. Some say they just don't have the material to air. They have the largest membership in the nation and they can't get some folks to make some more programming? I would love to make more programming for them myself if that is the problem, but you are just another commoner to them. The need to incorporate resistance music into the programming, maybe blocks of the latest material. Maybe have a educational kids segment, to home school children. Maybe pro-white radio dramas, action or suspense. Hell, get some internet TV going. They have all those CDs, DVDs, books and other items I mentioned before, there seems to be a gold mine of material there.
Maybe they have money problems getting all this going? Although they get alot of money every year from supporters, I have it on good authority that most of that money goes to pay their staff's salaries and other bills. Well if they laid off a couple of those staff members I'm sure they could free up the money they need.
The flyers they drop are across the nation, but here one week and there the next. If they drop everywhere they had members on the same day, they could get national exposure, especially if they tell at the bottom of the flyers of all the other locations they planned to drop that day. This would start a media buzz as the different local media outlets called to the other outlets to confirm the scope of the operation. They could have done this for years, but it shows how their leadership is not creative in their thinking or that they don't have the control they pretend to have. It is simple really, some one like Kevin Alfred Strom says " Hey, I think we should drop flyers in unison everywhere we have members, three weeks from today", are the NA members going to say no? You can see how it is a leadership problem?
It doesn't have to be just flyers either, NA leadership could tell all their members to call Rush Limbaugh's show on the same day, increasing greatly, the chance of one of them getting through with our message. Or Washington Journal in the morning on C-span. Air America, that leftist commie radio network, give them a peice of our minds, they think we want Bush in office.
Emailing our government officials works, when they get many complaints on a issue they listen. NA leadership, or any major org can simply state this directive at anytime they want. They think if people are doing it somewhere it is enough, but it isn't it has to be focused and organized.
Instead of flyers that are full size they could be 4 or 5 bookmark like strips on each sheet you copy off for cheap at Kinkos or Lazerqwik. You could leave these in many places, books at the library, magazines in stores, in phone boothes, car windsheilds, and you spread the message further than usual. You can print business cards at these copy stores by asking for thicker paper stock in the machines. Just make a page with all the space taken up with what your cards will look like. This is so they don't really see what you are copying. They make cards for you but it may be wiserto do it yourself. Cut the pages to card size with those large cutter boards. You can make your own personal cards or make new cards for the NA or other orgs.
They need to get all their members giving pro-european ideal DVDs to public access outlets all across the nation and keep them running. Some rules are so laxed at these public access stations you could run more openly pro-white material, just at a later time slot. Call your local public access station to find out. They could advertise the shows in the flyers, on those bookmarks or in focused calls to local radio shows. You can use the public access facilities to make your own WN material.Some stations differ, but whether for free or after a fee, you could make WN material with their equipment and make some bullshit to give them. This is to show that you made something for them to air, while you used the equipment for pther purposes. You could sell, DVDs to WNs afterwards, or send it to the NA so they can't complain that they don't have material to air.
I have personally gotten onto a San Diego radio station message board and made many posts putting the NA in positive light a year ago. I did the same at ABC but the posts were deleted, if enough WNs systematically hit all the viable message boards of these media outlets we could cover that for sure. It has to be organized though, the NA could simply say that their members should do this in a week and it should happen.
They could start a media acquisition fund, separate from their normal support fund. The money couldn't be touched until it had reached the specified amount they set to buy media. Cable, radio , whatever but just as long as we were making progress in aquiring some major media. They could show the amount they have on their website, so Whitenationalists could see how close we were, like a telethon. They could do this because they have great standing in the eyes of many in the movement. I told Dr Pierce to do this a year before he passed and it still never got going.
They need to offer helpful information on their site for members to use to better their situation and give more support. Like how to increase your credit, how to get a business license, how to get copyrights and patents, how to incorporate, ideas for different types of businesses and so on. What if the National Alliance secretly had a talent agency in Hollywood run by NA members posing as Hollywood agents? They could get NA members in the movies making big bucks that they secretly funnel back to the NA. A WN Leonardo Dicaprio? Or Brad Pitt? Maybe a Angelina Jolie? Big stars bring in $25,000,000 a picture on average. Even $5,000,000 would help. All they do is keep their racial views out of the press and all is well for the movement, if not just for the NA. What about hip clothing, the next FUBU or something. Just because you wouldn't wear it being a WN and all doesn't mean that you can't make money off the fools that do wear it. Cash in on these trends, that is all they are , trends. Why don't we get some WN pop singer or alternative band? They would keep their views under wraps of course, but later on they could "come out of the closet" so to speak, making their fans think. There is nothing wrong with cashing in on popular culture to help your people, I am sure there are some people reading this that would do alot more than that for their people.
Taxes are a bitch, but many big corporations have their own little non-profit organizations to catch some of that money. The NA could just have it's business fronts send their tax money to charities and non-profits that are run by NA members. Alot of the money can be taken by these charity fronts in "operating expenses", this usually mostly entails the staff's salaries, which could be large. A portion of those salaries could be donated to the NA by their charity front members. Save the whales, the rain forest, fight cancer and all the other stuff, just don't make a save the white race charity, the IRS will never grant you non-profit status for some reason if this is your charity. I know I checked, I also know that for small charities that don't bring in alot of money the application costs $500.00, the large charities that want to bring in big bucks have to pay $1000.00 with their application. It might take a year to get approved too. Plus, if you aren't soliciting for donations over the internet, you need to pay a small fee to each state you will physically seek donations in. In the end it could be really worth it though. I hear nothing of this from the NA, but I wouldn't expect to it would be secret. I would expect to see all the internet radio and TV I mentioned and the bandwidth necessary if they had these little operations going. Maybe even some cable or radio stations if they had enough.
Another major league player in the movement, that has dropped the ball, is Stormfront. Yes the largest pro-white online forum. They could easily be bigger than the National Alliance. They could unify and organize a international movement. All it takes is Don Black, the moderators and the prominent members of that site backing and promoting directives. Directives like the ones I mentioned before with the National Alliance. The NA has chapters organized in many locations across the nation. Stormfront lacks this, but it is only because they haven't tried. They have a region section of the site, but it isn't used for this purpose as much as it should be. Most people just post something like "Yeah, I live here". There is another thread dealing along these lines, but it is used much in the same way. If Stormfront had activist chapters organized across the country and around the globe they could be the biggest org in the movement. Somehow I think Don is afraid to take things this far. He has always been afraid of getting shutdown. If he ever got to big and stirred up too much trouble, he would be shutdown somehow he believes. He wants to protect his baby, like a over-protective mother. Well, you could always organize these groups around the world Don, and then let them leave Stormfront. Make them conduct business off of your site so you won't be held liable. They could use e-mails, chatrooms and groups like this one to coordinate. Does that sound like a plan?
Anyway, another truth about Stormfront is their misinterpreted member count. Many people get on Stormfront and never come back, or get on once a month and post some lame message. So how many are really active members? There are many that get on Stormfront that are the opposing views types, the "antis", they get counted too. I have made over a dozen accounts myself, what is to stop a number of Stormfronters from doing the same, making it look like Stormfront is growing? Even with all this taken into account, they still could dwarf the National Alliance's membership. However, they refuse to be anything other than a educational and social website.
Something else you'll find is that they aren't for free speech, they claim to be but they aren't. Almost like the jews suppress the opinion of the movement, Stormfront suppresses the opinions they they don't want. Those with radical ideas or ideas that threaten their position of power. Many have their posts deleted, editted and if they continue to be a problem to them, the offender is banned. I know I have been banned many times. It is easy to get a new email account and then a new Stormfront account. If they block a IP address I am at, there are a multitude of public terminals I can use. I type my posts on email accounts or disk, so I can just go to Kinkos or someplace like that and submit posts in a minute or two. You can make decoy posts that get posted by the mods and then you use the edit function to make the real post. If they try to counter these tactics by changing the board they only hurt themselves. Are they going to take away you ability to edit your post? Go ahead.
One of Stormfront's problems is it's success. So many people post, that good information is lost in long forgotten threads. Many answers to our problems, many good ideas are buried in one or two year old threads. New threads get started by newbs that are the same as old threads, taking up even more space. Really busy areas of the website can push your thread off the first page quick and when it leaves the first page it's chances of being forgotten go up. If you get lucky a mod might make your thread a sticky thread, so that it hangs out at the top of the list. Have you ever seen the lounge section on Stormfront? It is for "less serious posts" and yet it is huge, the largest section of the website. Doesn't that make us look like we aren't serious?
I have often wondered if the jew plants on Stormfront post alot of lame or repeditive threads to drown out the important threads. Maybe Stormfront should send a e-newsletter to members with that week's most insightful posts in it with some good commentary? I don't know if I trust the mods opinion of what should be put in it. They would just sell their spin like the jews do. I have it on good authority that there is a "club" on Stormfront, made up of most of the mods and the prominent members of the site. They give each other reputation points, that is why you see these members with long chains of reputation jewels under their name. There is nothing they do that I have seen that warrants their reputation, there are regular posters that are more intelligent and pose better ideas. They also help put down other posters they don't like. There is too much politics on Stormfront now. There is so much bullshit in the movement, I could go on for hours. I mostly just want to pose ideas, I'm not here to complain.
There are more ideas, but the ones I have listed are enough in themselves, why hasn't the NA leaders and all the big prominent members of the movement shouted from the roof tops these directives and initiatives? It is very simple, the leaders of these organizations are holding things up, You might ask, why? Well no one can really know their true motives, but we can always speculate.
Maybe they like getting money and attention, for doing nothing? They like the feeling that they get when people believe that it is all up to them to save the white race, it makes them feel special. Really, if they keep going on this path, they can get alittle power and money to play with indefinitely, while never having a real job ever. That sounds reasonable as a explanation, but it isn't the only one. Although this next one is more unlikely it is a possiblity. They could have been caught by the government awhile ago doing something seriously illegal and the government is holding prison terms over their heads to make sure there is a movement, but that it crawls along. This is to make sure that new recruits don't form a real movement on their own and settle for the established movement we have today. This doesn't explain the moderators on Stormfront and other boards though. Why do the mods serve the ends of these passionless, foolish leaders? If a expose' like this was on Stormfront they would delete it quick. They couldn't all be in on the illegal activity their leaders possibly got caught for. This leads back to the comfort in the crawling movement theory. There is another more probable scenario, they could just be visionless, power hungry idiots. Most go for this one, they think it more likely that these higher ups, the elite are just plain incompetent and have no head for real tactics. The leaders would disagree of course, but does a fool ever think for a second that they are a fool? The leadership today is in denial about their prowlress as leaders, they aren't very bright.
The moderators are just their lackies, the people that tend to the everyday business of their lazy lords. They want power also, and it has been offered to them from on high. David Duke, Don Black, the National Alliance leadership and most of the movement celebrities that meet with Duke on Townhall Sundays are in on the game. Most of the mods kiss their royal white asses looking to be close to power.
James Kelso, alias Charles A Lindbergh, is the biggest butt smoocher of the bunch. Look how he cozies up with the National Alliance leadership and David Duke. He is a poster boy for brown nosing weasels. He was a newb, when I first read his well written posts. They are designed to impress simpletons with his grasp of the english language, and they work. He was a ex-beach bum surfer that got too old for the waves of the ocean and decided to ride the waves of power in the movement "for his people". He is a great example of the type of people we have in the higher ranks.
He really makes no directives or initiatives. He states things that are obvious or trivial in many long running threads and people praise him for it. Many of these borderline useless threads have five star ratings, that just makes the movement look lame. Threads like "Look how many people are on now", I can scroll down to the bottom of the home page and find that out myself. "Media reports on racist flyers", I can google search that myself, but this is still one of his better threads. "Where is your white home?", this is good if alot of people are hooking up and doing activism, but most don't and he doesn't even try to get them to do that much if at all. "How did you find Stormfront?" I can only guess he is trying to see where their strengths and weaknesses lie in the different avenues of recruiting, why don't you ask him what it is all about. "How did you come up with your screen name?" just more social non-sense.
Why not "Here is my plan for Victory" this is important, threads like this, from prominent members of the movement, get my respect and attention. Threads like that are where you find directives and initiatives, the things real leaders impose, not nice, sweet, pretty posts. The only operation he has ever gotten behind and claimed was his, wasn't his. It was WhiteUtopian's flyerday, where internationally people were to drop flyers on the 14th of every month. One white nationalist on that operation was Bamaman, who single handedly got alot of the orgs to do the massive international flyerdrop on Feburary 14th 2004, Valentine's Day.
Charles and the mods pulled all support from WhiteUtopian and waited till they had a reason to get rid of him and take the idea over. They get their chance when WhiteUtopian is caught for sending a detailed, covert WhiteNationalist manual through private messages to only prominent members of Stormfront. Bamaman was a real WN, but Charles got some artist to make a flyer for him and he steps in and takes over the operation, like it was his idea. Charles said he never wanted to run any of WhiteUtopian's operations in a heated post at the end of the "White Nationalist Video" thread. The funny thing is that WhiteUtopian offered for Charlie to run the operation earlier in it's creation. Well I guess we say things we don't really mean in the heat of the moment, right? Can you see what a weasel he is? Looking to advance his status by stealing people's ideas. You should always say something nice about someone so the only thing that I can think of is that Charles has handed out flyers at Nascar events and Universities. There are many who do this though, he just uses it to further his rise to power. Well enough about that wannabe.
Another poser is Lawdog, who is really a lapdog for the National Alliance. If you think you are going to get some activism going on Stormfront, don't count on Lawdog. He has sold his soul to the National Alliance and has faith in no other plans. He has posted a couple helpful threads though and attended big rallies. There is more and there are more moderators to expose, but that is taking me off point.
My point is that none of these "higher ups" ever pose some real initiatives of their own, all they do is pose, because that is what they are is posers. Most of the real thinkers in this movement have one or two reputation jewels, no special status and just normal posters on Stormfront. Just two are Stealth and Intel, and RacialAwakening, but there are many more. These people just get pats on the back for good posts and are then ignored. Alot of good people in the movement are out lonewolfing it because they have lost faith in the mainstream movement.
It seems that the movement leaders are heading for a merge, some sort of unity. This is great, they have many followers and their efforts will be multiplied if this happens. It is just too bad that the leadership of this multitude of WNs will be not very creative. So what can you do? you can get off that computer and go out and do some activism in your area. Try to get in touch with WNs in your local area and do something real everyday.
To those that dream of unity on a larger scale, I offer a idea. These leaders are nothing without us, we are the movement, not them. For us to act on a large scale in a unified fashion we must have a place to organize. I am creating another group for those wishing to really experience unity, I call it the United Aryan Front or UAF. This group is for WNs of all types, you can be a National Alliance member in San Fransico, a Klansman in Georgia, a BNP member in London, a National Socialist in Amsterdam or just a lonewolf in Finland, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that we act together.
Make flyers as usual, but on them put organized by the United Ayran Front, right above your org's web address. You will be listing other areas that UAF members dropped that day also, down at the bottom, to show this wasn't a isolated event. End the night off by tossing a flyer at the local tv station, maybe give a follow up call, show them that something unusual is happening. Through the UAF email , phone , and message board campaignes can be organized. It is important to spread the word about the UAF, because how can those who dream of unity experience it if they haven't heard of it. Advertising a idea to other WNs isn't this movement's biggest strong suit I have found.
Incidentally, I am not trying to make a power grab myself, I don't want to be a public figure in the movement. I don't want my face and my name known. I want to make money in mainstream business, if I become a public leader I will be ruining my profit margines when the jews expose me as such to the public. I can make some simple directives to get the ball rolling, but I hope that a good leader can step from our ranks. Don't wait for those morons who think they are leaders because they have been around for awhile to tell you what to do. If you wait for their directives and initiatives we will lose this fight for sure. Hail Victory! 14
Volksgeist
Positive comments should be made to the following group. [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReceptiveToTheTruth[/url] Be sure to use another email address and handle so the leaders of the movement can't launch any reprisals against you.
Negative comments can be made at this group. [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BrainwashedMoronsInDenial[/url] They will surely make you some brownie points with the current leadership.
Join the UAF here, if you want to do activism on a large scale. [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnitedAryanFront[/url]
2004-12-02 06:37 | User Profile
You still trying those flyer drops Volky, re the [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11784]Valentines Day Drop[/URL]?
What made you show up this time of year? Well never mind. Maybe its a good idea you showed up before Christmas. Maybe you should see if you can enlist Santa Claus! :yawn:
2004-12-03 06:25 | User Profile
Well Okie, I am always willing to hear people make suggestions on a course of action. What operations would you suggest I engage in? I finally came to my senses and came back to the movement, it just so happens that it was in winter, which is bad flyering weather. I'll still be out there, bbrrrrrrrrrr.
2004-12-03 15:16 | User Profile
I couldn't agree more. And if you disagree with these people, they will cut you down. James Kelso cracks me up. I asked him what his "real" job was, his answer, "I work for Duke." Otherwords, I am lazy and I play Stormfront Mod daily.
Don't get me wrong, these guys are smart people however, they are in the movement for their self, not the advancement of whites.
2004-12-03 19:15 | User Profile
The Knight some sense, is he the only one?
2004-12-04 02:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Volksgeist]Well Okie, I am always willing to hear people make suggestions on a course of action. What operations would you suggest I engage in? I finally came to my senses and came back to the movement, it just so happens that it was in winter, which is bad flyering weather. I'll still be out there, bbrrrrrrrrrr.[/QUOTE]Well. I don't want to disparage your activity. Any publicity activity will get you some results. However throwing out flyers is a little like blanket direct mail solicitations - rather inefficient in terms of your likely response, at least the direct response.The only thing flyers accomplish is that if you are lucky/unlucky (depending on your goals) you may stir up paranoia and get on the 6 oclock news if its a slow week newswise.
I'm itchiing to identify more efficient ways of activism, and you obviously have put a lot of thought into your little essay here. Without responding directly to your suggestions, we really need to find better ways of activism. You might review our [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40]Activism Forum[/URL] specically some interesting recent threads like [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15697]Do Something Other Than Posting[/URL], [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15493]Would We Be More Effective Working For Immigration Reduction Within the Republican Party[/URL] or [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15483]A Program For The New Traditionalism Movement[/URL].
We've discussed these isues a lot before in a sense, although they may be slightly different than what you have in mind. But they do give a feel somewhat for our thinking on the subject. If you review this, and see where we are with comparison where you are, we might come up with something new and original. Spreading flyers - I'm looking for more efficient ways of doing things. There aren't many of us, so we can't really afford to just spin our wheels.
2004-12-04 04:21 | User Profile
The six o'clock news is what I was looking forward to getting. I want to keep the idea that we are out there and active, in the minds of the public. I knew there was some sort of movement out there when I went looking for it in 2000. I knew WNs in the 90's here and there, but never got into the movement. We just got along because I was white and into thrash and death metal. I had a good sense of history and knew alot about the Nazis and the Klan before I even came to the movement. The key is to stay in the news, the people like me will forget that jew bs they spout and check it out when the time is right. I saw a expose' of the movement on Discovery, I found the NA and SF through that and started right in. When they talk about it, it makes it real. I am not just dropping flyers myself though, my goal since 2001 was to get a massive international flyer drop going, where tons of WNs drop on the same day. I thought it would make a big statement, garnering CNN or FAUX News coverage. The bigger the coverage the better, but people have been dismissing that plan ever since, so I just had to start up my own group and say to hell with all the big shot chumps.
I plan to focus UAF members into calling Limbaugh's show at the same time, or O'reilly radio, or Art Bell at night, just today the operation was to call Washington Journal on C-span. It was mostly a exercise, because I only have 6 other members. I spent 2 1/2 hours dailling the show. If people would stop riding me off like they have for years we could actually get something going, but they know it all, I'm just like every other chump out there. Message boards, emails, direct mail, I am gathering members to focus on these things so they can get substantial gains. We have plenty of people to get it done too, don't listen to the people that think we need more people to mount effective propaganda operations they are the real chumps. You got to get behind some plan some day or we will lose this war, something that most WNs just don't seem to get. Am I wrong?
2004-12-04 05:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Volksgeist]The six o'clock news is what I was looking forward to getting. I want to keep the idea that we are out there and active, in the minds of the public. I knew there was some sort of movement out there when I went looking for it in 2000. I knew WNs in the 90's here and there, but never got into the movement. We just got along because I was white and into thrash and death metal. I had a good sense of history and knew alot about the Nazis and the Klan before I even came to the movement.
Well we talk a lot about the history of the movement here, maybe too much :lol: You could review our archives and know more, but you're right, you don't need to know everything to get something going. You sound like you are more into doing than reflecting, and that isn't necessarily bad [I]per se[/I].
The key is to stay in the news, the people like me will forget that jew bs they spout and check it out when the time is right. I saw a expose' of the movement on Discovery, I found the NA and SF through that and started right in. When they talk about it, it makes it real. I am not just dropping flyers myself though, my goal since 2001 was to get a massive international flyer drop going, where tons of WNs drop on the same day. I thought it would make a big statement, garnering CNN or FAUX News coverage. The bigger the coverage the better, but people have been dismissing that plan ever since, so I just had to start up my own group and say to hell with all the big shot chumps. Well I don't know exactly what they've done in the past, or what they know. Maybe a little enthusiasm wouldn't hurt. Don't let me discourage you.
I plan to focus UAF members into calling Limbaugh's show at the same time, or O'reilly radio, or Art Bell at night, just today the operation was to call Washington Journal on C-span. It was mostly a exercise, because I only have 6 other members. I spent 2 1/2 hours dailling the show. Well something like that can work, if you're clever, even with only 6 people. If we had more people like that around here more interested in reaching the popular media rather than (atleast at times) just debating over who around here was the smartest/most witty poster, we'd get a lot more done.
If people would stop riding me off like they have for years we could actually get something going, but they know it all, I'm just like every other chump out there. Message boards, emails, direct mail, I am gathering members to focus on these things so they can get substantial gains. We have plenty of people to get it done too, don't listen to the people that think we need more people to mount effective propaganda operations they are the real chumps. You got to get behind some plan some day or we will lose this war, something that most WNs just don't seem to get. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE] You're right, we need to do something, keep doping things, to get our message back in the mainstream, where it is constasntly being erased.
Othjer people have more experience than you I suspect at least in some ofthese things, but who knows, sometimes a little spontaneous audacity can work wonders.
Don't expect everybody or us really to completely shed our skepticism, especially since you're rather knew around here. A lot of people talk about things, many fewer do them, still fewer keep doing them long enough to do some good. If you can make progress and keep at it, not just drop out and come back in another year, more power to you.
2004-12-04 22:54 | User Profile
Well am I wrong in my statements? If I am not wrong and you disagree with me, wouldn't you say you have something wrong with your thinking? You could be stupid, which is a moron. You could be just so infatuated with your visionless org that you don't want to see it any other way, in which case you are brainwashed. Do you get it? Or are you a Brainwashed moron in Denial?