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Thread ID: 15778 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2004-11-26
2004-11-26 00:31 | User Profile
PROOF of their deal with the Devil and their conspiracy against the White family...
[size=3][url=http://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html]Table documenting over 300 verses changed in the new versions.[/url]
[url=http://www.av1611.org/biblevs.html]Table documenting complete verses removed in the new versions.[/url]
[url=http://www.av1611.org/biblewrd.html]Table documenting 15 major Bible words removed in the new versions.[/url][/size]
What a complete slaughter it is.
Bonus:
[size=3][url=http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/murdoch.htm]Rupert Murdoch... The Jew who owns the NIV and Produces the Anti-Christian Show "The Simpsons".[/url]
[url=http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp]A Comic Book Look at the Pope's Role in the Destruction of the KJV.[/url][/size]
2004-11-26 01:17 | User Profile
Those people (Jews) are really something else,,,,,,,,
By controlling the money they control the country.
By controlling the food they control the people.
By controlling religion they control the spirit.
All that is happening now days is because of those people and I really don't blame them for they are what they are and they cannot help it, but I do blame the American people for allowing those people to do what they are doing with impunity.
"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark",,, Ponce
2004-11-26 03:28 | User Profile
[url=http://www.equip.org/free/DK115.htm]IS YOUR MODERN TRANSLATION CORRUPT? Answering the Allegations of KJV Only Advocates[/url]
The King James Version, as noted above, is based upon manuscripts much farther away from the time when the original human authors of scripture wrote under God's inspiration.
[url]http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CIC/translations.pdf[/url]
Chick Publications
Chick Publications has, since its inception, been a bit sensationalistic at times. We do not believe that their approach is the best to use in presenting the gospel. For example, in a number of their volumes in The Crusaders comic series, they use John Todd and an authority on witchcraft and related subjects, and Todd has been proved to be a “teller of tales” (to put it mildly). Also, the volume entitled Sabotage, where the King James Version is purported to be the only accurate translation -- all others being Roman Catholic perversions -- is also inaccurate and unreliable. Furthermore, the two issues entitled Alberto and Double Cross are historically inaccurate, unreliable in content, and unchristian in approach. So, we do not endorse or promote Chick Publications. There may well be some value in some of their materials, but based on the above observations as well as on the whole, we do not feel they are a reliable tool.
For further reading we recommend the following materials:
D. A. Carson, The King James Version Debate (B217/8.00) Brian Onken, "Alberto: The Truth About His Story," Forward (DR160/.25) Leah Grossman, "The Todd Phenomenon," Forward (DT120/.25) "The 'KJV Only Debate,'" Hank Hanegraaff with James White (CKJV/18.00)
[url]http://www.equip.org/free/DC370.htm[/url]
2004-11-26 05:45 | User Profile
When I read this stuff I fall back into a blue-state of mind, disdaining Fundamentalists. Why don't these Fundamentalists who glorify the Reformers accept sola scriptura and apply themselves to studying the work of top biblical scholars? Read all the journals from top Near Eastern scholars from Harvard, Chicago, Hopkins, Ecole Biblique, Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Duke, et al. 99.9% of the scholar elites in biblical/Near Eastern studies have views which are decidedly antithetical to Fundamentalists (aka Evangelicals), and this includes the most prominent Protestant seminaries (Princeton Theol., Yale Divinity, Harvard Div., Wesley Theol., and yes Tex, even Luther Northwestern Theol. and Lutheran School of Theol.-Chicago).
Frankly, if one is serious about the bible, he or she can either embrace the tremendous advances in contemporary biblical and Near Eastern scholarship-- infintely far from Fundamentalism, or he or she can be like one of the pathetic reactionaries depicted in "Inherit the Wind", and stupidly condemn the advance of science and learning.
2004-11-26 05:47 | User Profile
King James Version of 1611!
[QUOTE]To the most high and mightie Prince, James by the grace of God, King of Great Britaine, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &.
The Translators of The Bible, wish Grace, Mercie, and Peace through Iesvs Christ our Lord
Great and manifold were the blessings, most dread Soueraigne, which Almighty God, the Father of all Mercies, bestowed vpon vs the people of England, when first he sent your Maiesties Royall person to rule and raigne ouer us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well vnto our Sion, that vpon the setting of that bright Occidentall Starre, Queen Elizabeth of most happy memory, some thicke and palpable cloudes of darkenesse would so haue ouershadowed this land, that men should haue bene in doubt which way they were to walke; and that it should hardly be knowen, who was to direct the vnsettled State; the appearance of your Maiestie, as of the Sunne in his strength, instantly dispelled those supposed and surmised mists, and gaue vnto all that were well affected exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the gouernment established in your Highnesse, and your hopefull Seed, by an vndoubted Title, and this also accompanied with Peace and tranquillitie, at home and abroad.
But amongst all our Ioyes, there was no one that more filled our hearts, then the blessed continuance of the Preaching of Gods sacred word amongst vs, which is that inestimable treasure, which excelleth all the riches of the earth; because the fruit thereof extendeth itselfe, not onely to the time spent in this transitory world, but directeth and disposeth men vnto that Eternall happinesse which is aboue in Heauen.
Then, not to suffer this to fall to the ground, but rather to take it vp, and to continue it in that state, wherein the famous predecessour of your Highnesse did leaue it; Nay, to goe forward with the confidence and resolution of a man in maintaining the trueth of Christ, and propagating it farre and neere, is that which hath so bound and firmely knit the hearts of all your Maiesties loyall and Religious people vnto you, that your very Name is precious among them, their eye doeth behold you with comfort, and they blesse you in their hearts, as that sanctified person, who vnder GOD, is the immediate authour of their true happinesse. And this their contentment doeth not diminish or decay, but euery day increaseth and taketh strength, when they obserue, that the zeale of your Maiestie towards the house of GOD, doth not slacke or goe backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting it selfe abroad in the furthest parts of Christendome, by writing in defence of the Trueth, (which hath giuen such a blow vnto that man of Sinne, as will not be healed) and euery day at home, by Religious and learned discourse, by frequenting the house of GOD, by hearing the word preached, by cherishing the teachers therof, by caring for the Church as a most tender and louing nourcing Father.
There are infinite arguments of this right Christian and Religious affection in your Maiestie: but none is more forcible to declare it to others, then the vehement and perpetuated desire of the accomplishing and publishing of this Worke, which now with all humilitie we present vnto your Maiestie. For when your Highnesse had once out of deepe iudgment apprehended, how conuenient it was, That out of the Originall sacred tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our owne, and other forreigne Languages, of many worthy men who went before vs, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English tongue; your Maiestie did neuer desist to vrge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the worke might be hastened, and that the businesse might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might iustly require.
And now at last, by the Mercy of GOD, and the continuance of our Labours, it being brought vnto such a conclusion, as that we haue great hope that the Church of England shall reape good fruit thereby; we hold it our duety to offer it to your Maiestie, not onely as to our King and Soueraigne, but as to the principall moouer and Author of the Worke. Humbly crauing of your most Sacred Maiestie, that since things of this quality haue euer bene subiect to the censures of ill meaning and discontented persons, it may receiue approbation and Patronage from so learned and iudicious a Prince as your Highnesse is, whose allowance and acceptance of our Labours, shall more honour and incourage vs, then all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay vs. So that, if on the one side we shall be traduced by Popish persons at home or abroad, who therefore will maligne vs, because we are poore Instruments to make Gods holy Trueth to be yet more and more knowen vnto the people, whom they desire still to keepe in ignorance and darknesse: or if, on the other side, we shall be maligned by selfe-conceited brethren, who runne their owne wayes, and giue liking vnto nothing, but what is framed by themselues, and hammered on their Anuil; we may rest secure, supported within by the trueth and innocencie of a good conscience, hauing walked the wayes of simplicitie and integritie, as before the Lord; And sustained without, by the powerfull Protection of your Maiesties grace and fauour, which will euer giue countenance to honest and Christian endeauours against bitter censures, and vncharitable imputations.
The Lord of Heauen and earth blesse your Mauestie with many and happy dayes, that as his Heauenly hand hath enriched your Highnesse with many singular, and extraordinary Graces; so you may be the wonder of the world in this later age, for happinesse and true felicitie, to the honour that Great GOD, and the good of his Church, through Iesvs Christ our Lord and onely Sauiour. [/QUOTE]
Online 1611 King James Version Bible [url]http://bibledatabase.net/html/kjv/[/url]
The NIV - Never Improved Version - 1611 [url]http://www.reformation.org/james.html[/url]
Blue Letter Bible [url]http://www.blueletterbible.org/[/url]
2004-11-26 06:39 | User Profile
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=sodomites+niv&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8[/url]
THE REMOVAL OF SODOMITES FROM THE NIV BIBLE [url]http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/~tttbbs/EPN-1/Articles/Articles-AKJV/sodomite.html[/url]
Why isn't the word "sodomite" in the NIV? [url]http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/sodomite.htm[/url]
THE NIV EXCUSES SODOMY [url]http://www.ryanhicksministries.com/hiv.htm[/url]
HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE NIV [url]http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/twohomosexuals.htm[/url]
NIV: Homosexual on Translation Committee [url]http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivhomo.htm[/url] [url]http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/virginiamollenkott.htm[/url] [url]http://bz.llano.net/baptist/lesbianandniv.htm[/url] [url]http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_sodomite_on_committee.htm[/url]
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Here's a bonus for you... MY family tree, back 10 generations.
LOTS of White children... LOTS of "fruit"... and "by their fruits will they be known".
[url]http://thorn.pair.com/williamthorne1/d158.htm#P1129[/url]
The KJV was their ONLY moral compass.
Now... which one will I entrust the affairs of MY spirit, and my family's spirit to?
This is a no-brainer! :D
2004-11-26 07:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MacDonald CSA]Now... which one will I entrust the affairs of MY spirit, and my family's spirit to?
This is a no-brainer! :D[/QUOTE]
Do want you want to do, Mac.
I think the current KJV is fine and if that's the one you like, great.
But the NIV and new ESV are superior translations, fully taking into account the latest and best research and scholarship as close to the original source as is currently possible.
What I do have a problem with are those stiff necked, legalistic fundies who denounce those who do not use the KJV as going straight to hell, causing severe damage and division in the Church. Make no mistake I have some in my own extended family and they do more to drive people away from Christian faith than anything else I know.
2004-11-26 08:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]Frankly, if one is serious about the bible, he or she can either embrace the tremendous advances in contemporary biblical and Near Eastern scholarship-- infintely far from Fundamentalism, or he or she can be like one of the pathetic reactionaries depicted in "Inherit the Wind", and stupidly condemn the advance of science and learning.[/QUOTE]
Hey Jack,
While I would hesitate in theologically aligning myself with the seminaries you list above, these King James-only folks are maybe at most 10 percent of what I consider "evangelicals." Usually they are Independent Baptists and Holiness/Pentecostal/Assembly of God types, and they may well even be a minority within those distinct denominations. They are usually also some of the most radical pre-mil dispies of all.
2004-11-26 08:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Do want you want to do, Mac.
I think the current KJV is fine and if that's the one you like, great.
But the NIV and new ESV are superior translations, fully taking into account the latest and best research and scholarship as close to the original source as is currently possible.
What I do have a problem with are those stiff necked, legalistic fundies who denounce those who do not use the KJV as going straight to hell, causing severe damage and division in the Church. Make no mistake I have some in my own extended family and they do more to drive people away from Christian faith than anything else I know.[/QUOTE]
By their fruits will they be known...
Have you checked out the White birthrate lately??? How about the divorce rate???
Isn't it funny that the SAME PEOPLE in control of the NIV, also produce the Anti-Christian television show "The Simpsons".
But the NIV and new ESV are superior translations, fully taking into account the latest and best research and scholarship as close to the original source as is currently possible.
Is that why they went off the Alexandrian Cult manuscripts of Egypt? (same as the Roman Catholic bible)
Did you read any of the links I posted?
2004-11-26 08:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MacDonald CSA]Did you read any of the links I posted?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I did.
Now did you read the first one I posted?
2004-11-26 08:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Yes, I did.
Now did you read the first one I posted?[/QUOTE]
Yes I did... criticism of ONE source.
Question:
What are you going to do when the updated (per)versions condone Talmudic child molestation?
Don't think it's not coming???
2004-11-26 08:29 | User Profile
**Anyone who ascribes the inspired characteristics of the Hebrew Bible or the greek N.T. to an English Bible and anathematizes everyone who does not agree with them is a cult. These tend to be...highly separatistic and unlearned Baptists."
2004-11-26 08:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]They are usually also some of the most radical pre-mil dispies of all.[/QUOTE]
Now that's a new liberal set of buzzwords I haven't heard yet... LOL!!
:cowboy:
2004-11-26 16:07 | User Profile
MacDonald CSA,
I am starting to think the Hard Shell Southern Baptists are Right. I see no reason not use the King James Version of 1611! The last time I looked at a book store I was happy to about 6 or printings of of King James for sale.
Most of the so-called "latest research and scholarship" is nothing anyone would want to have anything to do with. The "The New English Bible" of 1961 is ugly, but I do not think it has any of the PC nonsense the newer ones have. I used to read it some.
A link:
The English Versions of Scripture [url]http://www.bible-researcher.com/versions.html[/url]
2004-11-26 18:57 | User Profile
Pity the Noah Webster Bible isn't widely printed anymore....it maintains the majestic language of the KJV while cleaning up its errors and some antiquated 17th century word spellings ("shew" instead of "show" etc), plus it's in the public domain and is copyright-free.
There is an online version here:
[url=http://www.speedbible.com/webster/index.htm]Noah Webster Version (1833)[/url]
2004-11-27 01:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]MacDonald CSA,
I am starting to think the Hard Shell Southern Baptists are Right. I see no reason not use the King James Version of 1611! The last time I looked at a book store I was happy to about 6 or printings of of King James for sale.
Most of the so-called "latest research and scholarship" is nothing anyone would want to have anything to do with. The "The New English Bible" of 1961 is ugly, but I do not think it has any of the PC nonsense the newer ones have. I used to read it some.
A link:
The English Versions of Scripture [url]http://www.bible-researcher.com/versions.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Even with the KJV you have to be careful of counterfeits... Here is a link that helps identify them:
[url]http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/counterfeit-kjv.html[/url]
I have a King James from Zondervan Publishing (the Jew Reupert Mudoch's outfit) and it doesn't pass the test, and is copyrighted.
2004-11-27 02:59 | User Profile
This controversy could be laid to rest if everyone would just learn German and use [url=http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?language=german&version=LUTH&passage=all]Luther Bibel 1545[/url] :thumbsup: (which, BTW, is based on the same OT (Masoretic) and NT (Received) manuscripts as the Tyndale-Geneva-KJV translations in English.)
That Biblebelievers.org site complaining about the spellings in the English language of certain words is just plain kookdom IMO and smacks of Ruckmanism--the belief that not only is Scripture preserved in the KJV, but that the KJV scholars were themselves divinely inspired.
If one wants to make a case for the KJV based on the superiority of its underlying manuscripts (particularly its NT Received Text vs the NT critical texts underlying most modern translations), then I would recommending allying with the scholarly folks at the [url=http://www.trinitarianbiblesocietyusa.org/]Trinitarian Bible Society[/url] instead of many of the less reputable KJV advocates.
2004-11-27 03:01 | User Profile
With all due respect but you guys are funny with those Saint Perter, Saint Jones, Saint Salsa or Saint Ponce,,,,,,,ufffffffffffffffffffff.
You guys created your own problems by creating your own believes and then comparing them to others,,,,,,, in plain english, you are creating your own problems.
I am free because I don't believe in what was created by man but by nature and that's why that the one that you call God I'd rather call it "The Force', up till the time of Star Wars I did not have the proper name for it.
All that you are doing by having a "religion" is nothing more than placing another heavy rock in your backpack,,,,,,that's an extra weight that you really don't have to carry around with you.
But hey!!!!!!! if with religion you think that you will live for ever and it gives you nice little goose bumps all over your body then good for you, only thing is to be sure not to hurt or impose your religion on others.