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Thread ID: 15717 | Posts: 51 | Started: 2004-11-21
2004-11-21 08:40 | User Profile
1.) You are stupid. Accept this axiom. White [size=3][size=2]AmeriKwan [/size][/size]idiots are what we call lemmings. You people are too ****ing ignorant, dare I say rational, to realize that Hitler was right and that the Japanese were justified in attacking Pearl Harbor. This is because you have bought into all the lies the jewmedia, Winston Churchill, ROSENVELT, and the other intellectual morons like FadeTheButcher (i.e., Jared Taylor) have been telling you. They are also telling you to wave your stupid YANKEE flag and say other ridiculous things like the Pledge of Allegiance. So the first step towards your recovery is to accept the obvious fact that you are stupid.
2.) Tyranny. Having established your ignorance of history above, it thus follows that morons like yourself are too ignorant to be trusted with the right to vote. This Jewish Freemasonic system known as democracy (see below) must be done away with. This is why we enlightented Nazis want to take away your voting rights and establish a dictatorship in your country.
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3.) Anti-AmeriKwanism. As I said before, Hitler was right. Don't ever forget that. Say it ten times a day. Say it when you brush your teeth in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror. Everything was going fine until you YANKEE idiots, in league with the JEWS, Poles, and the Anglo-Saxons, ruined the noble German experiment known as National Socialism and ****ed over the world by inventing the Holocaust lie.
Hitler wanted to save the white race. That's why he had to attack Austria, Czechoslovakia, POLAND, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Greece, the Soviet Union, and the 'Kwa. Its why he went to war with France, Great Britain, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, and Canada. But The JEWS, ROOSEVELT, Belgium, and ROTHSCHILD made him do it, so it is entirely understandable that the Führer had to resort to such measures. Itz simple. Even a lemming like you can get it, properly instructed.
When we come to power, the National World War II Memorial shall be destroyed and a statue of Adolf Hitler shall be erected over its ruins. Saddam Hussein shall be freed from YANKEE tyranny and reparations shall be given to Osama bin Laden and his family. Reparations shall also be paid to all the victims of YANKEE aggression, such as the Japanese pilots who were shot down attacking Pearl Harbor and the families of the freedom fighters who destroyed the World Trade Center.
4.) Treason. We are in favor of a national law that will replace with U.S. flag with the swastika (since we like it so much). We are also in favor of a law which will require AmeriKwans to apologize ten times a day for declaring war on Adolf Hitler after he declared war on the United States. Thus we Nazis are in favor of making Anti-AmeriKwanism the official policy of the U.S. Government. If itz at all possible, we would be in favor of renaming the United States and calling it Germany in the future.
5.) Anti-Christianity. It is simply inconcievable, that in the twenty-first century, over 92% of AmeriKwans still believe in the SEMETIC JEWISH religion known to the world as Christianity. This false Jewish god, YHVH, has been waging a relentless was against The White Race for well nigh two thousand years. This culminated in the massacare of countless Aryans during the Middle Ages and the destruction of the Roman Empire which held in slavery millions of white people. Dont forget the Renaissance, Enlightenment, or the abolition of slavery either. So one of the first things we shall do when we come to power is to outlaw Christ-Insanity and destroy all Christian churches. We are also in favor of re-establishing the worship of Wotan (or Adolf Hitler) in public temples. This is just further evidence of why you jewlovin' lemmings are so stupid.
6.) Irrationality. One of the greatest crimes committed by Christ-Insanity against our people was the cultivation of the malicious false doctrine known today as rationality. This crazy idea, previously unknown to most of our illiterate ancestors who had previously lived in small huts and died before the age of thirty, was propagated by the medieval Christian fanatic Peter Abelard who was the primary culprit behind the invention of inductive reasoning. This stupid new idea later went on to become the backbone of experimental science, a dogma that had begun to circulate amongst ANGLO-SAXON Christians like William of Ockham, Robert Grosseteste, and Roger Bacon. These Christians even invented those places known to us today as UNIVERSITIES which institutionalized destructive ideas like SCIENCE and RATIONALITY. However, we Nazis should never forget that it was the Christian lunatic Rene Descartes who tried to logically prove the existence of YHVH who was responsible more than any other man for the triumph of rationality. It was RATIONALITY which caused Aryan man, as Dr. Goebbels and the Führer Adolf Hitler so eloquently pointed out, to lose contact with the animal side of life. And it is this animal side of life to which Nazism seeks to return. Hitherto, at the insistence of rational men, we have tolerated the existence of critical thought and free and open debate. But no more! In the Nazi state of the AmeriKwan future, YOU lemmings shall march to THE PARTY LINE!
7.) Totalitarianism. You ignorant lemmings are so stupid that you cannot be trusted. If left to your own devices, there is always the chance you might engage in activities contradictory to established Nazi principles. There can be no separation between civil society and the state in the total state of the future. This is why it is necessary for us to take away the individual rights you lemmings have hitherto enjoyed. And don't you AmeriKwans respond to us with the scribbings about LIBERTY and FREEDOM from the likes of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was in league with freemasonry. For all we know, he could have been a tool of the Jews.
(Note: Thomas Jefferson actually wasn't a freemason, but what does it matter, our make-believe Gestapo will simply have anyone says otherwise shot or sent to a concentration camp.)
8.) Jews Control The Media. This is another FACT that you stupid lemmings are ignorant of. We Nazis can point out the existence of prominent Jews in the mass media. It thus follows, logically, that the Jewish people are responsible for all our problems. Now you college educated intellectual morons with your fancy degrees and jewagents (i.e., FadeTheButcher) may be wondering how such a conclusion can follow from such an unsubstantiated premise, as it is, in fact, a logical fallacy. A smart ass like FadeTheButcher may even point out that the overwhelming vast majority of people who work in the mass media are white gentiles. He may even point to gentiles like Jack Welch who used to control television stations like NBC and The History Channel, or better yet, the FACT that prominent gentiles are in control of the majority of U.S. corporations which promote antiracist propaganda. FadeTheButcher may even ask where is the proof that such Jews in the media cooperate to genocide the white race out of existence, as he is probably under the DELUSION that such media organizations are FIERCELY COMPETITIVE. But this is all because he is a ANGLO-SAXON, nigger lovin', JEWISH white YANKEE elitist who hates the working class and lives on a plantation in Alabama! Hell. That NEO-CON hangs out with his FRIENDS at the so-called Country Club of Alabama and rides around on a golf cart drinking wine. He doesn't like Hitler, ergo, he hates white people! So let's smear him!
9.) Mass Murder. For the past thirty sumthin' years, the Jews have been pushin' the lie known to the world as The Holocaust. My only regret is that Hitler didn't kill 'em all. In fact, that's what we plan to do when we come to power. We are gonna shoot 'em full of silver bullets! Heil Linder! Heil Victory!
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[left]Sturm, Sturm, Sturm, Sturm, Sturm Sturm![/left] Läutet die Glocken von Turm zu Turm! Läutet, daß Funken zu sprühen beginnen, Judas erscheint, das Reich zu gewinnen, Läutet, daß blutig die Seile sich röten, Rings lauter Brennen und Martern und Töten, Läutet, daß die Erde sich bäumt |: Unter dem Donner der rettenden Rache! |: Wehe dem Volk, das heute noch träumt! |: Amerika, erwache, erwache!
|: Sturm, Sturm, Sturm, Sturm, Sturm, Sturm! Läutet die Glocken von Turm zu Turm, Läutet die Männer, die Greise, die Buben, Läutet die Schläfer, aus ihren Stuben, Läutet die Mädchen herunter die Stiegen, Läutet die Mütter hinweg von den Wiegen. Dröhnen soll sie und gellen die Luft, |: Rasen, rasen am im Donner der Rache, |: Läutet die Toten aus ihrer Gruft! |: Amerika, erwache, erwache!
10.) Other Burdens to the State. AmeriKwa is facing a crisis -- the aging crisis. The elderly are growing at an exponential rate in this country. Something will eventually have to be done about this, as Social Security and Medicare will soon become unsustainable. We AmeriKwan Nazis propose a final solution to the aging crisis -- euthanasia of the elderly on a massive scale. In this regard, we can proudly point to precedent set by Adolf Hitler's T4 Euthanasia Program in Nazi Germany. So lets start killing the incurably ill, the retarded, the physically and mentally disabled, the emotionally distraught, as well as elderly AmeriKwans.
11.) American Culture Is Inferior. Don't ever forget that. AmeriKwans are a half-niggerized, half-Judaized cultureless rabble, unlike Europeans, as Hitler himself pointed out. This is why AmeriKwan culture has spread all over the world, replacing the indigenous superior European culture, which Europeans voluntarily discard on a daily basis, because it sucks! Hitler pointed out again and again that he hated Americans. And he had every reason to do so, as the Third Reich can proudly point to the accomplishments in literature and philosophy of Joseph Goebbels and Alfred Rosenberg.
12.) Anticapitalism. Now I am sure you ignorant AmeriKwan lemmings are wondering what we Nazis have against capitalism. After all, the overwhelming vast majority of you support capitalism, live in the wealthiest country on earth, and enjoy the highest standard of living in the history of world. But capitalism, as has been shown time and time again, by Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler, has failed. And this is why we AmeriKwan Nazis want to replace CAPITALISM with SOCIALISM.
13.) Antisemitism. In summa, the Jews are to blame for all our problems. Everything that is wrong with our country is the fault of the Jews so we hate the living shit out of them. And even though we don't have any evidence to prove it, we believe it anyway. If AmeriKwans don't like Nazism, then the Jews are to blame for that too. No way out but through THE JEW!
14.) Costume Fetishism. Why do you AmeriKwan Nazis dress up in costumes and pretend the Third Reich still exists? Very simple. We ask ourselves: what would the Führer do? Now you may be wondering why we do this when such tactics have proven to be a miserable failure for the last fifty something years. You might even entertain heretical notions such as the idea that dressing appropriately in suits and ties would have more appeal to the audience AmeriKwan racialists are seeking to target. After all, this is precisely what any AmeriKwan with a pretense of political respectability has done for the past two centuries, racialists included. Well. We have a very simple answer to this. The JEWMEDIA will malign us no matter what we do, ergo, we should do whatever we want.
15.) Poland Must Be Destroyed. The malicious evil little Polish bastards had the audacity to exert their right to self-defense, probably because The Jews told them to do so. This outrageous act by the so-called European nation know as Poland, which refused to simply roll over and die like Czechoslovakia, preciptated the Second World War which led to the destruction of Nazi Germany and the creation of the New World Order. The Poles simply could not understand that it was their historical destiny to be wiped off the face of the earth by Germany and their territory annexed to the Reich as lebensraum. We AmeriKwan Nazis demand that POLAND be destroyed for this atrocious crime against humanity!
16.) Immorality. By this point, you AmeriKwan lemmings might be dismissing us outright on the so-called grounds of immorality. You may even be under the delusion that we Nazis are evil for calling for the mass murder of millions of innocent people, that it is sort of suspicious to claim The Holocaust never happened when we express our wish that it did. This just goes to show that you lemmings are even dumber than we initially thought. Itz the jewmedia that has filled your heads with such notions.
17.) Lebensraum. We Nazis are of the view that AmeriKwans can no longer continue to painfully exist, crowded as we are, in such a small country. This is especially disturbing in light of the fact that amorphous masses, having hitherto yet to contribute anything positive to Western civilization, occupy over 9,984,670 sq km land across our northern border. We demand the destruction of so-called nation of Canada!
18.) Abolition of Interest. This evil JEWISH idea must be done away with. Don't ask us why. Since we never graduated high school, we don't know all that much about economics.
19.) Mindless Hatred. The ****in' niggers, chinks, kikes, and the spics are inferior to the white man. Not a god damn one of 'em ever invented anything. 14/88.
(Note: Neither have Draco, El Duce, HoaxThis, or Colonel Kurtz but lets keep quiet about this).
20.) Historians Are Lying. Now you may be asking yourself if Hitler was right, then why have historians gotten it all wrong? Why do historians insist that Adolf Hitler started the Second World War? Very simple. The Court Historians, Belgium, FadeTheButcher, and the rest of the intellectual morons are in league with the Illuminati and International Jewry. They are part of a vast conspiracy to push The Big Lie onto innocent minds and prevent you from learning The Truth.
21.) Nationalization of the Press. We must do something about this intolerable situation in the media. So long as any AmeriKwan is free to say whatever he wants (even borderline psychotic sociopaths like myself), within the limits of the law, it is entirely possible that dark forces may conspire to CONTROL THE MINDS of you lemmings. Thus it is imperative that we nationalize the press and put it under the control of a Minister of Propaganda. We Nazis demand the destruction of free speech.
22.) Putting Women In Their Place. Women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom. So you feminists should shut the **** up and abandon this Jewish notion that you should ever have careers. Now go fetch us a few beers. We have some more bitching about the Jews and Niggers to do this evening.
23.) No More Faggots. Something about faggots just makes me sick. So we need to get rid of those guys too. We Nazis demand the abolition of homosexuality.
(Note: Even though this is a practical impossibility, lets demand it anyway to reinforce the image that we are driven by hatred. Morris Dees will be proud.)
24.) Violent Psychotic Fantasies. One day the Aryan is gonna rise up in violent revolution and put the niggers back in their place. This will be the prelude to the Day of the Rope, as revealed by William Pierce in the Turner Diaries. Afterwards, the U.S. Government will collapse and power will fall into our hands.
25.) ZOG. We live under the ever watchful eye of a Zionist Occupied Government. The Government is at this very moment hovering over my house in a Black Helicopter. Just open 'yer eyes man! Itz coming.
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2004-11-21 13:35 | User Profile
Very Jewish post, Fade… You mix a lot of truth with a lot of lies to give the appearance of a legitimate argument.
2004-11-21 14:28 | User Profile
[quote=FadetheButcher]But this is all because he is a ANGLO-SAXON, nigger lovin', JEWISH white YANKEE elitist who hates the working class and lives on a plantation in Alabama! Hell. That NEO-CON hangs out with his FRIENDS at the so-called Country Club of Alabama and rides around on a golf cart drinking wine. He doesn't like Hitler, ergo, he hates white people! So let's smear him! Good piece, Fade, even though you're obviously feeling sorry for yourself. Not to say that you may not have good reason to, after feeling the heat as head of the Phora. They've been there, and I don't even what to get into that.
But eventually you have to figure out where exactly you want to go, after satarizing your opponents, and tell us again no beating around the bush where you personally stand, after reproducing ADL style anti-Nazi arguments. And don't get me wrong your points are well written, as even much of the ADL stuff is actually.
2004-11-21 15:19 | User Profile
[B] - "Good piece, Fade, even though you're obviously feeling sorry for yourself." [/B]
I can testify that there is very little "invented" or "exaggerated" material in this essay - Fade has recently been debating on the [B]VNN Forum[/B], where these kind of crazies actually exist, and they have name-called Fade with these kind of titles.
Petr
2004-11-21 15:30 | User Profile
Why do you guys keep saying that he is obviously feeling sorry for himself?
2004-11-21 18:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B] - "Good piece, Fade, even though you're obviously feeling sorry for yourself." [/B]
I can testify that there is very little "invented" or "exaggerated" material in this essay - Fade has recently been debating on the [B]VNN Forum[/B], where these kind of crazies actually exist, and they have name-called Fade with these kind of titles.
Petr[/QUOTE]Nazi's will always call you these types of names, just as your ADLers will always a bigot and anti-semite no matter what you say. But that doesn't necessarily give you a right to whine. Nazi's should whine when they're called anti-semites and racists, and ADLers shouldn't whine about being called Jew boys, cause that's what they by definition are.
If Fade starts taking positions that really are exactly what the neocons and ADL have always maintained, such as that Jewish dominance in the media is impossible simply because of mass competition, (8.)then he is just being provocative and contrary, and is quite likely going to get called a few names by those who miss the fine subtlety of his humour.
2004-11-21 19:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If Fade starts taking positions that really are exactly what the neocons and ADL have always maintained, such as that Jewish dominance in the media is impossible simply because of mass competition, (8.)then he is just being provocative and contrary, and is quite likely going to get called a few names by those who miss the fine subtlety of his humour.[/QUOTE]
Not that I disagree with him here, but I just wonder how long Fade is going to wear this new-found Nazi hunter persona before morphing into something else at the drop of a hat. Three faces of Eve anyone?
Needless to say, that dampens any enthusiasm I might have to join in the hunt. But I hope he has fun. I've just been ignoring those guys for a long time now. Out of sight, out of mind.
2004-11-21 21:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Not that I disagree with him here, but I just wonder how long Fade is going to wear this new-found Nazi hunter persona before morphing into something else at the drop of a hat. Three faces of Eve anyone? Well I disagree with him here. That's been the whole subject after all of all the anti-mainstream revisionist literature we've studied - MacDonald being just the most recent in a long line - how jews and jewish organizations manage to maintain such dominance in what is obstensively a free and open society (and it is not just because they're so smart)
[quote=Texas Dissident]Needless to say, that dampens any enthusiasm I might have to join in the hunt. But I hope he has fun. I've just been ignoring those guys for a long time now. Out of sight, out of mind.[/QUOTE] Yup I'd argue with him, but what's the point? Who knows what positions he'll be advancing next week?
That's the problem with the internet. If people don't feel personally responsible for their positions or behavior, such is not going to be something of great accomplishment and value to the rest of us in all likelihood.
2004-11-29 19:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]Immorality. By this point, you AmeriKwan lemmings might be dismissing us outright on the so-called grounds of immorality.[/QUOTE]
What 'morality' is buttressing your attack on the neo-Nazis?
Utilitarianism?
utilitarianism: a doctrine that the useful is the good and that the determining consideration of right conduct should be the usefulness of its consequences.
2004-11-29 20:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE][Texas Dissident] Out of sight, out of mind.[/QUOTE]
Bingo, dude.
2004-11-30 06:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]I can testify that there is very little "invented" or "exaggerated" material in this essay - Fade has recently been debating on the [B]VNN Forum[/B], where these kind of crazies actually exist, and they have name-called Fade with these kind of titles.[/QUOTE]
Speaking as a national socialist, I have been personally horrified by some of the attitudes held by my alleged fellows over at The Phora (and I have no doubt things are several hundred percent worse over at that madhouse known as "VNN"). People talking of wanting to rid the Earth of Poles, Brits and even Americans, for having had the apparent historical destiny to fight alongside the Soviet Union in the Juedo-Bolshevist triumph over Europe of 1939-45, is not only counterproductive in the extreme and frankly insane, it is also morally disgusting and downright treasonous. The very idea that Hitler himself, however flawed, would have agreed with such evil, vengeful, wrathful, almost Talmudic nonsense, is patently ludicrous. Hitler and his contemporary German national socialists were completely wrong with regard to their imperialist, quasi-genocidalist posture towards the Slavs. It was one one the gravest and most abominable errors in human history. To suggest that its principal arcitect, Adolf Hitler, is somehow infallible and beyond legitimate criticism, as many of these seemingly hobbyist, Germanophile "Nazis" are inclined to do, is quite laughable.
2004-11-30 06:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If Fade starts taking positions that really are exactly what the neocons and ADL have always maintained, such as that Jewish dominance in the media is impossible simply because of mass competition, (8.)then he is just being provocative and contrary, and is quite likely going to get called a few names by those who miss the fine subtlety of his humour.[/QUOTE]
I get the distinct impression he's not joking when he denies the reality of Jewish dominaiton of the mainsream media in the United States (seeing as its alleged non-existence is a recurring theme of his), although I can't imagine why he would deny such an obvious fact....
2004-11-30 13:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I get the distinct impression he's not joking when he denies the reality of Jewish dominaiton of the mainsream media in the United States (seeing as its alleged non-existence is a recurring theme of his), although I can't imagine why he would deny such an obvious fact....[/QUOTE]
I can imagine why Fadestein would.... Take a look at this thread on Phora he has started.
[url]http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5303&page=1&pp=10[/url]
If this is not typical Jew tactics I don't know what is.
2004-11-30 16:35 | User Profile
Fade is not a Jew and I don't think he's converting to any neoconism (as the term is popularly understood), he's merely testing his intellectual limits like intelligent persons often tend to do.
In the WN circles, the total Jewish control of media is so often taken for granted that it's quite a temptation for an ambitious fellow like Fade to try to prove otherwise, just for the sake of challenge, in the spirit of "devil's advocate."
Petr
2004-11-30 16:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]he's merely testing his intellectual limits like intelligent persons often tend to do[/QUOTE]Anyone wishing to test the theory that Fade is "testing his intellectual limits" Need only read his evasive tactics on this thread:
[url]http://www.thephora.org/forum/showt...03&page=1&pp=10[/url]
2004-11-30 17:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Fade is not a Jew and I don't think he's converting to any neoconism (as the term is popularly understood), he's merely testing his intellectual limits like intelligent persons often tend to do.
In the WN circles, the total Jewish control of media is so often taken for granted that it's quite a temptation for an ambitious fellow like Fade to try to prove otherwise, just for the sake of challenge, in the spirit of "devil's advocate."[/QUOTE]
I don't think Fade is a jew, but neither do I take him seriously either. I suspect he's just a young guy having fun yanking people's chains for the 'intellectual exercise'.
Even in his new and latest intellectual guise, I don't see any core morality or underlying philosophy that I would ally with as a Christian, American paleo-conservative. All well and good I guess, but many of us with real jobs, familes and real-world responsibilites don't have time to play dress-up and endlessly yap about it on the internet.
2004-11-30 17:40 | User Profile
Someone ought to dig into the OD archives to find a free-for-all argument involving me, Leland Gaunt, Gibbon, Fade, Ruffin and about a half-dozen others. Not hard to locate: it's stickied as REMEMBERING AMERICAN WARS.
He wasn't Fade the Nazi Hunter then. He didn't post D-Day photos of men huddled in LCVs approaching Normandy Beach with captions like "Here are the good guys" (as he did recently at the Phora). Here is Fade a year ago:
[I]I detest the old windbags known collectively today as the so-called "Greatest Generation." What precisely is so "great" about the "Greatest Generation" again? Perhaps you can remind me. I actually cannot decide which generation is more worthless, you old farts and your sucking up to the Jews that gave us Israel or your beatnik children with their stupid equality theories who are creating a third world America.
The Yanks, self-righteous as always, determined that Southerners were the evil-doers(TM) who had to be destroyed. They came to the same conclusion about the Germans several generations later. Not content with wiping out culture in America, these arrogant buffoons preceded to wipe out Europe and impose the decrepit democratic/equality ideology upon Europe as well.
What is "nationalism" in your view? It is waving a meaningless flag made in Taiwan with a bunch of braindead idiots at FR? Is it sucking up to the Jews and Negroes and bending over backwards to defend the people that hate and despise everything about us? Are these the people we should go out and serve in your view, as E.G. would have it? ......Is Gaunt supposed to be happy about FRG, that disgusting mongrelized tyranny forced upon Germany by America? [/I]
Of course, in the heat of anger, men are likely to forget where their best interests lay and let emotion carry them away. But that's a significant sea-change for a year by any standard of measurement. One wonders if we won't be hearing from [B]Che [/B] the Butcher in another year.
2004-11-30 17:55 | User Profile
Fade The Butcher also seems to support the Israeli-inspired atrocity called the Iraq War and condemns posters on the Phora who continue to express disgust at that unholy debacle in Babylon. He calls them "America-haters" and says all Muslims who fight the Americans in Iraq are 'terrorist monsters'. Sorry to say, Fade's morphing into a demented FreeRepublic psychotic with that kind of talk.
Post after post condemning "nazis" makes me wonder just who he's working for. I really think the guy's a ADL mole.
2004-11-30 18:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Of course, in the heat of anger, men are likely to forget where their best interests lay and let emotion carry them away. But that's a significant sea-change for a year by any standard of measurement. One wonders if we won't be hearing from [B]Che [/B] the Butcher in another year.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I reviewed that same thread last week or so.
Now even allowing that in a short time one can come face to face with the logical results of their theoretical worldview, be repulsed by it and do a quick about-face, it's still too whimsical for my taste. Bill White anyone?
Before I took any of it seriously I'd have to see a sustained and consistent position over a lengthy period of time.
2004-11-30 18:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]I can imagine why Fadestein would.... Take a look at this thread on Phora he has started.
[url]http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5303&page=1&pp=10[/url]
If this is not typical Jew tactics I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
For what its worth, here is my (initial) reply to Fade's thread referenced above....(Albeit now very slightly edited from the original Phora version, almost entirely for purposes of grammatic correction).
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]You can point out Jews that work for Disney and Viacom. But by all means, please show us that such organizations are conspiring to push a Jewish agenda to destroy white people in the United States. Of course, you can't do that, precisely because the claim you are making is laughable and there is no evidence to that effect.[/QUOTE]
The prominent Disney film "Pocahontas" largely revolves around the theme of the alleged White man's moral inferiority, as well as the alleged moral, cultural, spiritual and esthetic inferiority of European civilization generally, and the supposedly unjust, brutal and cruel basis upon which the American nation was founded (within the context of its Colonial roots, that is). Other themes include a glorification of the primitive, aboriginal savages which previously squandered the resources of North America whilst wallowing in their primitive superstitions and tribal tyranny, and a reverence for their aboriginal form of Paganism, which is a natural ally of the Talmudism which perceives - whether rightly or wrongly at this late date of 2004 - Christianity as its innate and ancient enemy, and for which enmity towards has been the primary unifying principle of Talmudic Judaism).
I do not believe any other Disney film has been quite so blatant in its Talmudic fury against all things Western (although any number of films produced and distributed under the auspices of Disney's various affiliate production companies & distribution networks, could be said to be rather obviously in the same vein, while nearly all films released in major distribution in contemporary America contain at least one or two scenes and/or themes that are intended to lead the White American/European viewer down a path of self-hatred, impotence and cultural suicide, as well as inflaming our alien parasite populations to new and ever-greater levels of murderous hostility and covetous contempt towards us - which is never very difficult to do, of course).
A particularly odious and well-known example of such a film, i.e. one intended to promote the death of the West, that was effectively, if not technically, released by Disney, is the film "Priest," which attempts to make use of the tragic (and utterly disgusting, and throughly criminal) pedophilic clergy scandal in the Archdiocese of Boston, and in some other places (albeit to a thankfully lesser extent), in order to falsely portray the American branch of the Roman Catholic Church as a degenerate gang of sodomitic pedophiles obsessed with sexual hedonism and riddled with infection by HIV. It is interesting to note that such a film could almost not help but weaken the position of the very same Roman Catholic Church who's criticism of Ariel Sharon's Likudnik government, and of the Zionist project generally, and its vocal support for the rights of the Palestinian majority on the West Bank and in Gaza, makes it one of Israel's (and thus global Jewry generally) principal diplomatic opponents. Furthermore, any weakening of the position of the American Roman Catholic Church would tend to lead, almost inevitably, to the strengthening of the very "Dispensationalist" Protestant sects which promote the notion of "Christian Zionism," that is extremely helpful to the Talmudic terrorists who have established their globally parasitic criminal enterprise at Jerusalem.
I am well aware that such anecdotal evidence, in and of itself, is very much insufficient to prove the (arguably self-evident) Judeo-Bolshevist-Zionist-multiculturalist nature of "our" dominant mass media. However, the fact that I could quite easily spend the rest of the day reciting one such piece of evidence after another, after another, after another (and who knows how many days I could go on doing so?), is significant. And who knows how many more days such pro-White stalwarts as AntiYuppie or Petr might be able to list anecdotal examples I had neglected to mention? And that would almost certainly still be a very much incomplete and all-too-brief listing of the vast wealth of evidence supporting the overwhelmingly majority position on media control at this board (or any other where one finds a pro-Western orientation among its membership).
At some point, it only seems reasonable to assume that this vast, immense, nearly astronomical in scope, this gargantuan body of anecdotal evidence (I could often spend half an hour, or more, deconstructing the various anti-White, anti-male, anti-heterosexual, anti-Christian, anti-nuclear family, anti-European, anti-Amercian - in the true sense; not in the way neo-"conservatives" use the term when they are slandering a great nation like France, and making themselves look like the diabolical, intolerant agents of evil, or their childlike dupes, that they so clearly are - biases contained within a single five minute commercial interruption on television and/or radio programming) has got to amount to something substantive. Presumably, 10,000 twigs imply the existence of a tree, or a series of bushes, somewhere. It is much the same with the seemingly endless list of potential examples of Talmudic propanda infesting "our" dominant mass media, which could serve no rational purpose other than to bring about the demise of Western Civilization; all that nationally, biologically and spiritually suicidal filth and degeneracy doesn't pollute our airwaves and newsprint due to a series of collossal coincidences, particularly within the well-known context of largely Jewish ownership & management of nearly all of our major, traditional media outlets. Is this not obviously the case?
2004-11-30 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Is this not obviously the case?[/QUOTE]
It is to me, Kevin. Well stated.
You can point out Jews that work for Disney and Viacom. But by all means, please show us that such organizations are conspiring to push a Jewish agenda to destroy white people in the United States. Of course, you can't do that, precisely because the claim you are making is laughable and there is no evidence to that effect.
LOL! This sounds just like sinkspur, bayourod or Howlin over at the Free Republic. :lol:
Somebody needs to re-read MacDonald's The Culture of Critique. The evidence of jewish influence in media is overwhelming and self-evident. I would argue, like MacDonald, that influence is in itself a conspiracy to "push a jewish agenda to destroy white people in the United States". In layman's terms, jews will invariably work for their ethnic interest and that necessarily and by definition works against white, Christian culture. I thought we already covered all this a long time ago.
2004-11-30 18:52 | User Profile
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3991[/url]
2004-11-30 22:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Somebody needs to re-read MacDonald's The Culture of Critique. The evidence of jewish influence in media is overwhelming and self-evident. I would argue, like MacDonald, that influence is in itself a conspiracy to "push a jewish agenda to destroy white people in the United States". In layman's terms, jews will invariably work for their ethnic interest and that necessarily and by definition works against white, Christian culture. I thought we already covered all this a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
I agree that Jewish power is due to influence as opposed to outright ownership or "control" of the media. Here is my post from The Phora on this topic:
[indent]One thing I have to say is that the facts of actual media [I]ownership[/I] do not change the reality that Jewish people seem to have an unmatched ability to influence the [u]content and tone[/u] of the mass media, due to their unparalelled status as the arbiters of "moral authority", resulting from their close historical association with Christ as the "chosen people" in the Bible, as well as their highly-publicized vicitimization in WW2 by the Nazis.
Whether Jews own or administer the actual media organs is really irrelevant to the fact that they seem to exert perceivable disproportionate moral authority within the media. This is evidenced by the fact that it is almost impossible to transmit any criticism of individual Jews as Jews over the airwaves, at any time, for any reason, without being immediately smeared as an "anti-Semite" and socially ostracized.
So, "the Jews" can be understood to "control" the mass media in the sense that they display an ability to influence it's content and tone to a highly disproportionate, almost monopolistic degree.
Note however, that I did not say "Zionist Jews control the content of the mass media", as we are all aware that criticism of Israel is evident. However, that criticism is often generated and delineated by liberal Jewish sources like Chomsky and others, further illustrating the fact that Jewish people are the dominant moral arbiters of our mass media.
The solution for those who want to access the mainstream media, as well as the mass-consciousness that relies upon it for news and opinion, is to criticize the policies we disagree with, and refrain from criticizing the authors and promoters of those policies as Jews.
For those who are not interested in accessing mainstream media or the mass-consciousness it influences, they are more than welcome to "name the Jew", provided they are content with remaining on the fringes of society.
Whether this is the way it should be, or not, is up to the individual reader... but this is the way I perceive it to be.[/indent]
2004-12-01 02:37 | User Profile
[B] - "Before I took any of it seriously I'd have to see a sustained and consistent position over a lengthy period of time."[/B]
Well, I have personally warned Fade more than once not to rush mindlessly to the other extreme - a common psychological phenomenon among people who have sincerely changed their views, you know.
(I have seen many former dispensationalists who have become fanatically preterist and anti-futurist, as a sort of way of comparison...)
Also, former believers make best fanatical atheists and vice versa.
Petr
2004-12-01 03:34 | User Profile
Poor Fade. I think FadeTheButcher needs to stop getting upset by the silliness of others. Also this article does nothing poison debate even more.
[QUOTE]"Nazi's will always call you these types of names, just as your ADLers will always a bigot and anti-semite no matter what you say. But that doesn't necessarily give you a right to whine. Nazi's should whine when they're called anti-semites and racists, and ADLers shouldn't whine about being called Jew boys, cause that's what they by definition are. If Fade starts taking positions that really are exactly what the neocons and ADL have always maintained, such as that Jewish dominance in the media is impossible simply because of mass competition, (8.)then he is just being provocative and contrary, and is quite likely going to get called a few names..."-Okiereddust[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"I just wonder how long Fade is going to wear this new-found Nazi hunter persona before morphing into something else at the drop of a hat. Three faces of Eve anyone? Needless to say, that dampens any enthusiasm I might have to join in the hunt. But I hope he has fun. I've just been ignoring those guys for a long time now. Out of sight, out of mind.
...I take him seriously either. I suspect he's just a young guy having fun yanking people's chains for the 'intellectual exercise'. Even in his new and latest intellectual guise, I don't see any core morality or underlying philosophy that I would ally with as a Christian, American paleo-conservative. All well and good I guess, but many of us with real jobs, familes and real-world responsibilites don't have time to play dress-up and endlessly yap about it on the internet."-Texas Dissident[/QUOTE]
Poor FadeTheButcher-He does not like Christians-he does not like Fascists. What will he do?
2004-12-01 13:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=ErikD]The solution for those who want to access the mainstream media, as well as the mass-consciousness that relies upon it for news and opinion, is to criticize the policies we disagree with, and refrain from criticizing the authors and promoters of those policies as Jews.
For those who are not interested in accessing mainstream media or the mass-consciousness it influences, they are more than welcome to "name the Jew", provided they are content with remaining on the fringes of society.
Whether this is the way it should be, or not, is up to the individual reader... but this is the way I perceive it to be.[/QUOTE]
While I can't say I ENTIRELY agree with this last portion quoted above (I was actually quite successful in getting some extremely anti-Jewish criticism, i.e. harsh and aggressive, as well as relevant, timely and articulate criticism of the Jews as Jews published on the the front page of section B of the San Jose Mercury News, with the help of a seemingly and surprisingly rather sympathetic (not to mention quite physically beautiful and downright charming) lady reporter of Italian descent who interviewed me in August, or possibly very early September of 1999; unfortunately, it was necessary for me to be arrested on multiple felony charges of "terrorism" and so-called "hate crimes" in order for this to come about, and I frankly would advise against THAT exceedingly expensive form of publicization - LOL!), it would never-the-less be foolish of me to refuse to admit that there is a very substantial correlation between what you are saying here and what is actually the case.
The rest of your post was downright excellent.
2004-12-01 13:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Poor Fade. I think FadeTheButcher needs to stop getting upset by the silliness of others. Also this article does nothing poison debate even more.
Too true.
[quote=Faust]Poor FadeTheButcher-He does not like Christians-he does not like Fascists. What will he do?[/QUOTE]
Haven't you heard the news? Fade has begun a new and historic movement within the larger White Nationalist/paleo-conservative (but decidedly [B][I]NOT national socialist) context. This glorious and soon-to-be dominant strain of the ideas we here cherish, is known as "racial communitarianism" (which I frankly admit is a pretty decent turn of phrase). If you do a Google search on it, you'll find a grand total of 5, that's right, count 'em *FIVE references to it within the entire Google-searched Internet. Two are references to the term by "Deconstructionist" over at the [url=http://www.stormfront.org]Stormfront White Nationalist Community[/url], which is what Fade called himself over there prior to his being banned, essentially for trying to promote this sure-to-be victorious notion of his. There is yet another mention of it found over at Fade's own Phora. There are two more references made to it by a Mr. Edric Micallef, who is apparently a resident citizen of the Republic of Malta. His essay referencing racial communitarianism, and thus perhaps calling into question Fade's contention that he coined the term himself, can be found here: [url]http://www.avemelita.com/EM_articles_essays.html#Reforming_Racism[/url]
I really shouldn't be so sarcastic, however. While one can't dismiss the possibility that our mercurial Fade will one day morph into Comrade Fade, or perhaps al-Fade Allah, I'd say he has the earmarks of a fine young man (if a tad naive at present, as well as a bit too inclined to take his youthful intellectual enthusiasms a bit more seriously, and less tolerantly, than he should, i.e. yours truly, circa 1995 or so) who has a better than 50% chance of growing up into a patriotic White man with whom we can all be proudly allied in our mutual struggle. That's a much better chance than most American couch potato "males" seem to have, at least under present conditions.
2004-12-01 17:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]LOL! This sounds just like sinkspur, bayourod or Howlin over at the Free Republic. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I'm still convinced that Sinkspur is Jewish. I think his primary mission on FR is to move the Catholic church in a more jew-friendly direction, but I've see him butt into many other threads where his co-tribalists are taking a beating, especially the [URL=http://www.google.com/search?q=sinkspur+uss+liberty&hl=en&lr=&filter=0]USS Liberty[/URL] threads. That is, back when there were still people on FR who would challenge the Israel-firsters. They've all been banned now.
Check out this little thread, where Stinky breathlessly rushes to post a report about an exchange between Larry Kudlow and Pat Buchanan: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1278005/posts[/url]
2004-12-02 08:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Now even allowing that in a short time one can come face to face with the logical results of their theoretical worldview, be repulsed by it and do a quick about-face, it's still too whimsical for my taste. Bill White anyone?
Before I took any of it seriously I'd have to see a sustained and consistent position over a lengthy period of time.[/QUOTE]This, let's face it, is not a problem unique to Fade alone. He seemed to attract a similar contingent over at the Phora IMO.
AntiYuppie, dithering over whether the far-right should or should not cooperate and/or serve with the far-left, Triskelion (who certainly is an honorary Phoran) trying to argue the great love of Nazi's for conservatives, as the rest of him demonstrate well why conservatives see that love as the sort of love the Tiger has for the gazelle when he's hungry - yadda yadda yadda.
Sometimes it seems to me these guys seem to think the world should hold still while they contemplate their navel. Which it will not. :yawn:
2004-12-02 11:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]This, let's face it, is not a problem unique to Fade alone. He seemed to attract a similar contingent over at the Phora IMO...AntiYuppie...Triskelion...yadda yadda yadda.
Sometimes it seems to me these guys seem to think the world should hold still while they contemplate their navel. Which it will not. :yawn:[/QUOTE]
That's a tad harsh. What goes on here at OD which is so different? I admit, our conversations are more sophisticated, on average, but so what? Conversations they remain....
2004-12-02 14:19 | User Profile
FadeTheButcher talks about Paleocons and this thread.
The Paleocons [url]http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5629[/url]
2004-12-02 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Speaking as a national socialist, I have been personally horrified by some of the attitudes held by my alleged fellows over at The Phora (and I have no doubt things are several hundred percent worse over at that madhouse known as "VNN"). People talking of wanting to rid the Earth of Poles, Brits and even Americans, for having had the apparent historical destiny to fight alongside the Soviet Union in the Juedo-Bolshevist triumph over Europe of 1939-45, is not only counterproductive in the extreme and frankly insane, it is also morally disgusting and downright treasonous. The very idea that Hitler himself, however flawed, would have agreed with such evil, vengeful, wrathful, almost Talmudic nonsense, is patently ludicrous. Hitler and his contemporary German national socialists were completely wrong with regard to their imperialist, quasi-genocidalist posture towards the Slavs. It was one one the gravest and most abominable errors in human history. To suggest that its principal arcitect, Adolf Hitler, is somehow infallible and beyond legitimate criticism, as many of these seemingly hobbyist, Germanophile "Nazis" are inclined to do, is quite laughable.[/QUOTE]
Kevin, and with no intention of provoking a flame war, you call yourself a National Socialist, and then turn around and condemn the Nazis for their core beliefs (and actions pursuant to those beliefs).
You seem to assume that Nazism can somehow be separated from German jingoism. It can't be so separated. The Nazis were all about Germany, broadly defined to include all Germanic peoples perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that Nazism is a profoundly GERMAN thing. Their sneering contempt for our Slavic brothers isn't just some mistake of imperfect men, it is rather the very marrow of the ideology itself.
You want to turn Nazism into something it never was - an universalist ideology embracing all whites. Respectfully, you're making what might be called a "reverse strawman" argument. You're first setting up a strawman of this universalist, broad tent Nazism, but then instead of rejecting it you embrace it.
Regards,
Walter
2004-12-02 19:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]That's a tad harsh. What goes on here at OD which is so different? I admit, our conversations are more sophisticated, on average, but so what? Conversations they remain....[/QUOTE]Maybe. But at least we don't construct elaborate [I]de facto[/I] defenses of this tendency, or constantly indulge ourselves in [I]ad hoc [/I] attacks on those that do partipate in political/public life (such as Buchanan or Jerod Taylor) or for that matter those who defend them. We may not have walked through the door yet, but at least we haven't barricaded it shut.
2004-12-17 21:01 | User Profile
Young men between 18-25 fall in love with the latest book or set of ideas the way they become smithen with the latest lady that comes their way. FTB is no exception. He has some good instincts, but needs a lot more time to learn and mature the intellect. Haven't we all been there ?
2004-12-17 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=ErikD] [indent]So, "the Jews" can be understood to "control" the mass media in the sense that they display an ability to influence it's content and tone to a highly disproportionate, almost monopolistic degree.
Note however, that I did not say "Zionist Jews control the content of the mass media", as we are all aware that criticism of Israel is evident. However, that criticism is often generated and delineated by liberal Jewish sources like Chomsky and others, further illustrating the fact that Jewish people are the dominant moral arbiters of our mass media.
[/indent][/QUOTE]Exactly. Look at the top opinion making journals and do a check of who edits, runs, and writes for them. Whether its Newsweek, Time, US News and World Report, WSJ, Washington Post, NYT, New Republic, Weekly Standard, Reason, NRO, or whatever you will see the same emerging pattern. That is that 25-40 percent of these individuals are of Jewish descent. As any stockholder knows this is way more than necessary to constitute a "controlling interest". If any other demographic (two percent of US pop) held such industry sway our national leaders would be calling for investigations.
2004-12-18 09:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Kevin, and with no intention of provoking a flame war, you call yourself a National Socialist, and then turn around and condemn the Nazis for their core beliefs (and actions pursuant to those beliefs).
You seem to assume that Nazism can somehow be separated from German jingoism. It can't be so separated. The Nazis were all about Germany, broadly defined to include all Germanic peoples perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that Nazism is a profoundly GERMAN thing. Their sneering contempt for our Slavic brothers isn't just some mistake of imperfect men, it is rather the very marrow of the ideology itself.
You want to turn Nazism into something it never was - an universalist ideology embracing all whites. Respectfully, you're making what might be called a "reverse strawman" argument. You're first setting up a strawman of this universalist, broad tent Nazism, but then instead of rejecting it you embrace it. [/QUOTE]I don't know Walter who is the one really setting up the "reverse strawman" argument. If Kevin wants to make NS something it wasn't ("universalist") so it seems like you do also (making it a rigidly defined ideology like Communism).
Historians sort of universally agree that Nazism is singularly unlike Communism in that respect.
2005-06-09 15:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]I'm still convinced that Sinkspur is Jewish. I think his primary mission on FR is to move the Catholic church in a more jew-friendly direction, but I've see him butt into many other threads where his co-tribalists are taking a beating, especially the [URL=http://www.google.com/search?q=sinkspur+uss+liberty&hl=en&lr=&filter=0]USS Liberty[/URL] threads. That is, back when there were still people on FR who would challenge the Israel-firsters. They've all been banned now.
Check out this little thread, where Stinky breathlessly rushes to post a report about an exchange between Larry Kudlow and Pat Buchanan: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1278005/posts[/url][/QUOTE]
OK, maybe not Jewish, but apparently a fraud:
[url]http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6644[/url]
[url]http://www.angelqueen.org/articles/schumacher_letter.htm[/url]
2005-06-09 19:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]OK, maybe not Jewish, but apparently a fraud:
[url]http://216.133.76.156/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6644[/url]
[url]http://www.angelqueen.org/articles/schumacher_letter.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Simply amazing, that people would go to that much trouble to check out the real life claims behind someone's cyber-identity. Shows sinkspur definitely has the ability to get under a lot of peoples skin besides the Buchananites, like Catholics also (although like a lot of intra-religious fusses outsiders have a bit of a time understanding it).
2005-06-09 20:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Simply amazing, that people would go to that much trouble to check out the real life claims behind someone's cyber-identity. Shows sinkspur definitely has the ability to get under a lot of peoples skin besides the Buchananites, like Catholics also (although like a lot of intra-religious fusses outsiders have a bit of a time understanding it).[/QUOTE]
This piece of dung is an enemy of everything this forum is supposed to stand for, so exposing him is a major plus. God knows how many timid, gullible Whites he pushed over into the neocon camp, or how many decent FReepers were banned because of the SOB, but I'm sure it was quite a few. I hate my ****ing enemies, because of the terrible things they're doing to the place where I have to live, and this open-borders loving, rabid Israel-firster maggot was one of the worst.
2005-06-09 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]This piece of dung is an enemy of everything this forum is supposed to stand for, so exposing him is a major plus. God knows how many timid, gullible Whites he pushed over into the neocon camp, or how many decent FReepers were banned because of the SOB, but I'm sure it was quite a few. I hate my ****ing enemies, because of the terrible things they're doing to the place where I have to live, and this open-borders loving, rabid Israel-firster maggot was one of the worst.[/QUOTE]Ah, give me a break. Sinkspur was just a token neocon troll, along with Dane, until JR made him a mod. His tactics were [B]so [/B] droll.
If Boy Scouts appoints Michael Jackson head of one of their camps, don't waste your time whining about Jackson etc. The Boy Scouts are where the heads need to be rolling. JR, and the Freepers who support him (they don't have to stay there, its a free world in cyberspace) are who you need to keep focused on.
2005-06-10 00:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Ah, give me a break. Sinkspur was just a token neocon troll, along with Dane, until JR made him a mod. His tactics were [B]so [/B] droll.
If Boy Scouts appoints Michael Jackson head of one of their camps, don't waste your time whining about Jackson etc. The Boy Scouts are where the heads need to be rolling. JR, and the Freepers who support him (they don't have to stay there, its a free world in cyberspace) are who you need to keep focused on.[/QUOTE]
No, you give ME a break, you ****ing punk. Free Republic has been all over the MSM, or MRM, Murry Rothstein Media, mentioned by Limbaugh, Hannity, and many others, and it's a major player, something that I predicted years ago, and Sinkspur is a major player on that site. That's why a search of his name here yields nine different threads. If you had half the venom for that asshole that you have for White Nationalists, I might think that this site had some integrity, but as it is, I have serious doubts.
2005-06-10 00:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Now even allowing that in a short time one can come face to face with the logical results of their theoretical worldview, be repulsed by it and do a quick about-face, it's still too whimsical for my taste. Bill White anyone?[/QUOTE]Not quite comparable. Bill White went from left wing anarchist "libertarian socialist" to white nationalist / traditionalist / quasi-"national socialist". There's a logical progression there, albeit I don't expect most people on this forum to understand that since there's a pronounced reactionary view here that lumps in all leftists into the same camp even though that's completely untrue and is as unintelligent as lumping all rightists into the same camp.
Fade, on the other hand, underwent no such natural evolution as did Bill White. Between what he used to say he believed a few years ago, and what he says he believes now, there is no comparison. Fade didn't change one or two of his beliefs a la Bill White, to naturally evolve into a related but opposing viewpoint; he changed all of his alleged beliefs into their opposites; and he didn't do so one at a time in some kind of logical progression; he did it all at once and together with no logical progression at all.
Moreover, from the point of view of courting or avoiding active hostility of the Establishment, Bill White made himself more of a target, and Fade, much much much less of a target. Cui bono?
I see two possibilities: Fade was always a fake, or he was scared and/or "persuaded" by some authority figure to mend his ways. I do not believe that a rational person can change beliefs so completely, so quickly, and still seriously believe that he can be taken seriously by anyone else. While it is possible to naturally evolve intellectually as far as Fade has, it doesn't happen that rapidly without creating entirely justified suspicions about motives.
2005-06-10 04:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]No, you give ME a break, you ****ing punk. Free Republic has been all over the MSM, or MRM, Murry Rothstein Media, mentioned by Limbaugh, Hannity, and many others, and it's a major player, something that I predicted years ago, and Sinkspur is a major player on that site.[/QUOTE]OK, OK. An anonymous FR mod going by Sinkspur, hand picked by JR because of his grating neocon views, is your major catch in the world. I guess everybody's got to have something. He may seem like a minnow to me, but I know you guys worked hard to catch him. Enjoy your moment of cyberglory.
2005-07-08 15:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Not quite comparable. Bill White went from left wing anarchist "libertarian socialist" to white nationalist / traditionalist / quasi-"national socialist". There's a logical progression there...[/QUOTE]
Well, a progression from a neo-Nazi racist to an anti-Nazi racialist seems like a perfectly logical progression to me.
I too was taken in by the neo-Nazi propaganda in my youth, but I then evolved into a full homo sapien only in the past few years.
FTB is a very intelligent guy, and that 25 Points post is a classic gut buster.
Cracks me up.
2005-07-09 05:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]This is because you have bought into all the lies the jewmedia, Winston Churchill, ROSENVELT, and the other intellectual morons like FadeTheButcher (i.e., Jared Taylor) have been telling you.[/QUOTE]I am horribly confused.
Does the above quoted sentence mean that FadeTheButcher is, in fact, Jared Taylor? Or does it mean that Jared Taylor is just another "intellectual moron" like FadeTheButcher? There is a world of difference, especially for those of us who actually know Jared Taylor, or thought we did.
And if FadeTheButcher is not Jared Taylor, why is he allowed to use Taylor's picture as an avatar, and with ambiguous language, claim he is Taylor?
2005-07-09 08:04 | User Profile
Fade is not Jared Taylor or a Jew, he's a quite bright university graduate from Alabama (that sometimes has admittedly a weird sense of humor). His forum can be found here:
[url]http://niccoloandphora.mywowbb.com/[/url]
He had been arguing that Jared Taylor is an ideal representive of WN ideology to the public, unlike, say, someone like Alex Linder. Some fanatics thought that this indicated he himself [I]was[/I] Taylor, which claim he is [B]parodying[/B] here.
Petr
2005-07-23 11:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I don't know Walter who is the one really setting up the "reverse strawman" argument. If Kevin wants to make NS something it wasn't ("universalist") so it seems like you do also (making it a rigidly defined ideology like Communism).
Historians sort of universally agree that Nazism is singularly unlike Communism in that respect.[/QUOTE] Nazism was universal in that it was adopted by countries all over Europe for use within their own systems. Romania, Hungary, Holland, Belgium, etc..all had thriving Nazi movements which did not desire unification with Germany. Nazism was an International idea which could be used by individual independent nations.
2005-07-23 11:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Speaking as a national socialist, I have been personally horrified by some of the attitudes held by my alleged fellows over at The Phora (and I have no doubt things are several hundred percent worse over at that madhouse known as "VNN"). People talking of wanting to rid the Earth of Poles, Brits and even Americans, for having had the apparent historical destiny to fight alongside the Soviet Union in the Juedo-Bolshevist triumph over Europe of 1939-45, is not only counterproductive in the extreme and frankly insane, it is also morally disgusting and downright treasonous. The very idea that Hitler himself, however flawed, would have agreed with such evil, vengeful, wrathful, almost Talmudic nonsense, is patently ludicrous. Hitler and his contemporary German national socialists were completely wrong with regard to their imperialist, quasi-genocidalist posture towards the Slavs. It was one one the gravest and most abominable errors in human history. To suggest that its principal arcitect, Adolf Hitler, is somehow infallible and beyond legitimate criticism, as many of these seemingly hobbyist, Germanophile "Nazis" are inclined to do, is quite laughable.[/QUOTE] The Romanian Nazis in the Iron Guard organization published a statement in 1943 rejecting the Hitler doctrine of Slavic inferiority so you certainly can be a Nazi without believing in every single Nazi doctrine. Corneliu Codreanu who founded the Iron Guard movement said in 1937, "I was fighting against Jewish control of Romania before I had ever heard of the name Adolf Hitler."
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard[/url]
2005-07-23 11:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Good piece, Fade, even though you're obviously feeling sorry for yourself. Not to say that you may not have good reason to, after feeling the heat as head of the Phora. They've been there, and I don't even what to get into that.
But eventually you have to figure out where exactly you want to go, after satarizing your opponents, and tell us again no beating around the bush where you personally stand, after reproducing ADL style anti-Nazi arguments. And don't get me wrong your points are well written, as even much of the ADL stuff is actually.[/QUOTE] Fade never answers any question which directly points out the Double Standard of the British and French Empires controlling huge parts of the world in the 1930's and yet it was morally wrong for Hitler to invade Poland? Maybe I'm alone on this but I find that kind of hypocrisy hard to stomach. Also, Fade condemns the Nazis for exploiting the resources of the occupied countries during the war but he conveniently ignores the fact that the British blockaded much of the continent as a way of starving the Germans to death. The Germans then had to feed not only themselves but the occupied countries as well so the direct actions of the British certainly caused hundreds of thousands of western Europeans to starve to death.
2005-07-23 18:33 | User Profile
Fade who?
2005-07-23 19:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]Nazism was universal in that it was adopted by countries all over Europe for use within their own systems. Romania, Hungary, Holland, Belgium, etc..all had thriving Nazi movements which did not desire unification with Germany. Nazism was an International idea which could be used by individual independent nations.[/QUOTE]
I think fascism in general [Nazism was a form of fascism] varies somewhat from country to country, unlike most communist countries, which were satellites of the Soviet Union and which took orders [more or less] from the Soviets.
And I think that feature is a good thing. Every country in the world has unique needs and desires. As long as fascist countries follow basic ideas and doctrines, they should be somewhat flexible in their governmental systems.