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Thread ID: 15689 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2004-11-18
2004-11-18 17:58 | User Profile
Even thou I have been writing here for a while I have never opened an original thread but I felt that some one has to talk for those who can not do it for themselves.
Who killed Margaret Hassan and why? I have been reading about her and I havent been able to find one single black spot against her, everything that I have read is about her helping the Iraqi poor for many years.
Who would benefit by her death? ,,,,,,well, let me tell you a little story about something that happened in WWII,,,,,,, There was this Italian police officer that was liked by everyone in this small town that was occupied by the German Army, the resistance wanted the people to rebel and fight against the Germans but up till now there was no real reason to do so.
So what the resistance did was to kill the police officer and make it look like it was the Germans that did it because the officer was so nice to the people, so of course this gave the town people a reason to fight the Germans.
Well, I see the hand of the Mossad behind this horrible killing in order for the Iraqi people to turn against the Iraqi resistance, no matter from where I look at it this is the only conclusion that I can come up with.
If you agree with me or not is not really that inportant to me, as you all know this crazy Cuban walks to the beat of his own drum, however, you are welcome to make your own personal comments, only thing is to make sure not to insult her or I'll be all over your as*.
2005-01-30 08:37 | User Profile
More likely a bunch of fool Arabs thought they could get some ransom money out of her
Once it became clear no such thing would happen they had to choose between looking cruel or looking foolish
Their choice was predictable
2005-01-30 13:27 | User Profile
Margaret Hassan (also Madam Margaret) was an aid worker who worked in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq"][color=#0000ff]Iraq[/color][/url] for many years and was kidnapped and killed there, apparently by members of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_resistance"][color=#0000ff]Iraqi resistance[/color][/url], in late 2004. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/200px-Margaret_Hassan.jpg[/img] Who killed Margaret Hassan? by Robert Fisk, syndicated from The Independent by The Star (South Africa), [color=#0000ff]17 November[/color] 2004 [url="http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=2813&art_id=vn20041117041552641C735999"]http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=2813&art_id=vn20041117041552641C735999[/url]
Mystery remains over who killed Margaret Hassan [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1353695,00.html"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1353695,00.html[/url]
2005-01-30 14:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Other abducted women were freed when their captors recognised their innocence.[/QUOTE] Fisk here is clearly talking of the [URL=http://www.theallineed.com/news/0409/293118.htm]two Simonas[/URL]. What he doesn't mention is that the Italian government paid a ransom for their release.
Note that Margaret Hassan was seized shortly after the release of the two Italian women
To have released her for nothing would have made her kidnappers look soft and foolish, and nothing scares these little grouplets more than losing their reputation for ruthlessness
The smaller the group, the more "tough" it has to act to get respect
2005-01-30 14:33 | User Profile
Served her right for marrying a Moslem.
Petr
2005-01-30 14:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Served her right for marrying a Moslem.[/QUOTE] I don't think I would go that far. I wouldn't say 'it served her right,' but I would say that if one marries a member of a hostile religion, and then works among foreigners during a time of war, this kind of thing is not entirely a surprise. It is certainly a tragedy, nonetheless. God rest her soul.
2005-01-30 15:00 | User Profile
I won't go that far. I hope that one day decent people catch whoever did this and deliver the same fate to them.
An observation. She spent all that time over in Iraq when Hussein was running things and nobody messed with her.
2005-01-30 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I don't think I would go that far. I wouldn't say 'it served her right,' but I would say that if one marries a member of a hostile religion, and then works among foreigners during a time of war, this kind of thing is not entirely a surprise. It is certainly a tragedy, nonetheless. God rest her soul.[/QUOTE]
I am with you on this Quantrill, my mother was from Atlanta Georgia where she marry my dad who at the time was going to Georgia Tech......she served two years is a Cuban prison for being "anti revolutionary".
If she was guilty or not I really don't care but [B]I do blame the US government [/B] for letting her be interned for two years with eight months of those two years in solitary confinement.
She was freed in 1962 right after those of the Bay of Pig invasion thanks to Donovan the attorney, there was another American woman with my mother.
2005-01-31 03:13 | User Profile
Margaret Hassan not only married a Mohammedan but converted to Mohammedanism. You choose to be part of the religion of the sword, you die by the sword.
2005-01-31 14:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius] An observation. She spent all that time over in Iraq when Hussein was running things and nobody messed with her.[/QUOTE]
Good point Sert. I'd go further to say that any terrorist activity in Iraq was [B]nil[/B] when Iraq was under Saddam's rule.
As for Hassan, her death remains a mystery. The insurgents released two French journalists but killed Hassan when they certainly knew who she was??
Anyway, the Fox Newsdroids at my job are already gathering around the watercooler saying what a great success the Iraqi elections were yesterday. I hear them say, according to what Fox News has programmed into their small brains, is that 80% of Iraqis want the Americans to stay because there'll be a 'civil war'....which is a favorite stick for the neocons to beat back those who think the US should leave Iraq.
So, it seems that all of the death and destruction and money lost in Iraq was just so people could have an election? An election under occupation. An occupation that's not soon to end, if the necons have their way?
2005-01-31 18:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Anyway, the Fox Newsdroids at my job are already gathering around the watercooler saying what a great success the Iraqi elections were yesterday. I hear them say, according to what Fox News has programmed into their small brains, is that 80% of Iraqis want the Americans to stay because there'll be a 'civil war'....which is a favorite stick for the neocons to beat back those who think the US should leave Iraq.
So, it seems that all of the death and destruction and money lost in Iraq was just so people could have an election? An election under occupation. An occupation that's not soon to end, if the necons have their way?[/QUOTE] It disgusted me to see the more legitimate news people e.g., CNN, MSNBC, Rod Nordland of Newsweek, et al., become giddy and nostalgic with lines such as, or similar to, "This is an historic day, the brave Iraqi people have taken the first step in their new democracy." This is insanity. These elections were orchestrated, engineered, and facilitated by the power of another country. And those Iraqis who voted were either the group that expects to seize control of power or the group that expects de facto autonomy, continued money, and every itch scratched by Uncle Sam. But alas, as we on OD know, the people behind this Iraqi war and reorganization have no interest in seeing Iraq prosper and once again develop the ability to project power outside its borders, they would like to see internal strife (or some absolutely compliant puppet regime under some stooge like Allawi).
2005-01-31 19:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Served her right for marrying a Moslem.
Petr[/QUOTE]
Correction: Served her right for marrying an Arab.
If my hypothetical daughter showed with a blue-eyed blond Norwegian who happened to be Muslim it would not bother me in the least. Now, should she show up with a pious Christian Negro I can assure you that I would disown her and never speak to her again. She would have crushed my heart.
2005-01-31 19:54 | User Profile
Why, thank you for that nitpick. I wouldn't want my daughter to marry a Negro, but I sure wouldn't let her marry a White Muslim either.
Petr
2005-01-31 20:04 | User Profile
XM,
I know what you mean by the droids. I listen to Fox News yesterday and perhaps over exposed myself to the likes of Gibson, O'Reilly and God forbid, the sheer stupidity of Hannity. When Hannity brought on North I had to turn off the tube. I'd like to know who in the hell was running around saying that they wanted these elections to fail other than the A.N.S.W.E.R. types? Most folks no matter what their persuasion simply want Bush to take the thong strap he has been presented with and use it to get us the hell out. Instead, I hear some of the idiots saying that because the elections were such a success that this is all the more reason we need to stay over there.
2005-01-31 20:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Why, thank you for that nitpick.[/QUOTE]
I'm not nitpicking. You're not the only one allowed to express an opinion.
[QUOTE]I wouldn't want my daughter to marry a Negro, but I sure wouldn't let her marry a White Muslim either.[/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if a Bible literalist held differently.
2005-01-31 20:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Correction: Served her right for marrying an Arab.
If my hypothetical daughter showed with a blue-eyed blond Norwegian who happened to be Muslim it would not bother me in the least. Now, should she show up with a pious Christian Negro I can assure you that I would disown her and never speak to her again. She would have crushed my heart.[/QUOTE] FB- There is a strong Arab-supremacist component to Islam, concerning both language and race. If you are white, Islam is a foreign, hostile faith, whether you are Christian or not. Any white person who converts to Islam must have plumbed the very dregs of self-loathing. I urge you to reconsider your position.
2005-01-31 20:37 | User Profile
Sert, the designs of Bush & Co. is to [U]never[/U] leave Iraq. Let 'em huff and puff about "democracy" and "elections" all they want, in all their self-righteous grandiose babble, but at the end of the day, the 'Kwa will still be the 'Kwa and American forces will still be in Iraq with a hostile insurgency.
Elections don't change anything in the US, why would they change anything in Iraq? If the soon to be Shia-run Iraq does NOT ask the Americans to leave, then the Shia clerics lose all legitimacy in the eyes of their legions which therefore leads to an armed Shia uprising along with the current Sunni uprising and things will get worse and worse for the Americans until they leave in defeat. No one talks about the Kurds because the Kurds have their own country already, Kurdistan. Some "democracy", itz.
The Foxdroids and Bushdroids are just buying time with their "elections" and their "liberty" and their "freedom" but even they will one day succumb to reality and realise the consequences of their delusional beliefs.
PS, Does anyone know if the US set up similiar elections in Vietnam in the late 1960's?? I was reading [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390] KOS[/url] and there's a story from the NY Times from 1967 posted there detailing the election of Nyguen Thieu in South Vietnam during American occupation. The story was [U]eerily, eerily, eerily [/U] similiar to the Iraqi elections. And we all know what happened to the Americans in Vietnam.
2005-01-31 21:15 | User Profile
The story was eerily, eerily, eerily similiar to the Iraqi elections. It's uncanny. Still, South Vietnam lasted another eight years. I hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to watch the puppets scrambling for the last helicopter out of Baghdad.
2005-02-01 01:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]But alas, as we on OD know, the people behind this Iraqi war and reorganization have no interest in seeing Iraq prosper and once again develop the ability to project power outside its borders, they would like to see internal strife (or some absolutely compliant puppet regime under some stooge like Allawi).[/QUOTE] They have no problem with a strong Iraq - so long as it aims its weapons at Iran...
2005-02-01 05:33 | User Profile
I wonder if these elections in Iraq will embolden further moves against Iran/Syria.
Sure hope so.
Walter
2005-02-01 09:40 | User Profile
It will take a spectacular act of Iranian terrorism - a nuke in a major US city for example - to bring about a US invasion of Iran
Plinking at US soldiers across the border won't be enough to do it
2005-02-01 18:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mmartins]It will take a spectacular act of Iranian terrorism - a nuke in a major US city for example - to bring about a US invasion of Iran
Plinking at US soldiers across the border won't be enough to do it[/QUOTE]
Iran has no reason to invade or make any trouble in the US and if anything were to happen I would blame those who I blame for 911.....the Zionists.
The Zionists know that the only way to MAKE the US invade Iran will be either to arouse the anger of the American people against Iran or by attaking Iran in order to jump start the invasion by the US.
Can you spell D R A F T ??????, now the US wants to recall X military vets. ages 40 to 70.......next they will call in the Boys Scouts of America.
2005-02-04 03:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Iran has no reason to invade or make any trouble in the US and if anything were to happen I would blame those who I blame for 911.....the Zionists.
The Zionists know that the only way to MAKE the US invade Iran will be either to arouse the anger of the American people against Iran or by attaking Iran in order to jump start the invasion by the US.
Can you spell D R A F T ??????, now the US wants to recall X military vets. ages 40 to 70.......next they will call in the Boys Scouts of America.[/QUOTE] You are exactly right. Our middle eastern adventures are going to require a draft, This is almost a guarantee, if we are looking to attack iran, syria, etc. I believe there is going to have to be some sort of spectacular attack inside the united states to drum up support, once again, to get the "terrorists" and these nations that "support and finance terrorism" I don't think most of the lemmings, brainwashed though they may be, are going to support more military action against other nations, especially if it would involve a draft, without something like this occuring. They need to return people to the mindset of fear and anger, like immediately after 9/11, which is severely dwindling at this time. And what better way to do it.:furious:
2005-02-04 04:30 | User Profile
Race-mixers live hard and die young.
2005-02-17 00:11 | User Profile
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