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To The Homo Sympathizers Who Call Themselves "White Nationalists"

Thread ID: 15685 | Posts: 35 | Started: 2004-11-18

MacDonald CSA [OP]

2004-11-18 14:53 | User Profile

[center][size=3]I just wanted you to meet a LITTLE WHITE BOY named Jesse...

[img]http://www.americansfortruth.com/Jesse.jpg[/img] Jesse Dirkhising[/size] Murdered Sept. 26, 1999, at age 13 Sodomized to death by same-sex life partners Josh Brown and Davis Carpenter, 2 "gay" businessmen in Rogers, Arkansas[/center]

[center][color=red][size=3]Blacked out by Jew Owned Media during the trial of Matthew Shepherd's attackers[/color][/size][/center]

[center][size=6][color=green]What happened to Jesse???[/color][/size]

[url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29026][size=3]Read About His Horrifying Last Hours Here[/size][/url][/center]

[url=http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dirkhising_monument.html]Who Weeps For Jesse?[/url]

[url]http://www.americansfortruth.com/Dirkhising.html[/url]

[url]http://www.covenantnews.com/dirkhising.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29026[/url]

[url]http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3672[/url]

Oh, and don't forget to say hello to the thousands of Mud on White male prison rape victims...

[url]http://www.vdare.com/francis/prison_rape.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.ety.com/HRP/letters/prisonrape.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html[/url]

[center]See Also...

[size=5][url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93995#post93995]America's Jewish Leaders in the Degenerate Homosexual Movement[/size][/url][/center]

Still reading??? Here's more...

MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO [url]http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.htm[/url]

Here is a Homo in the Emergency Room... (gross!) [url]http://poetry.rotten.com/potatoes-n-jelly/[/url]

Kentucky Knight

2004-11-18 17:20 | User Profile

Its very sick to even think these fags are allowed to adopt and raise children. I pray for when Christ returns to take back his Kingdom. I hope I am there when he removes every Fag and Dyke from this great earth.

Okiereddust

2004-11-18 18:35 | User Profile

[QUOTE=MacDonald CSA]To The Homo Sympathizers Who Call Themselves "White Nationalists" [/QUOTE]Just curious, could you give us maybe a little better idea who specifically you might have in mind? Right now I have no idea.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-18 21:02 | User Profile

Perhaps the emergence of this thread is just a coincidence, and its paranoid for me to imagine otherwise, but did my posting a message in defense of Justin Raimondo (in the context of his ongoing sodomitic practices with another man, i.e. his "homosexuality") have anything to do with this post? If so, let me just say (as I intended to make clear in my initial posting), I have no sympathy what-so-ever with what's known as "homosexuality." I just refuse to turn my back on an otherwise fine man like Justin Raimondo who, unfortunately, is in the thrall of that sad behavior pattern.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-18 21:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Just curious, could you give us maybe a little better idea who specifically you might have in mind? Right now I have no idea.[/QUOTE]

Edgar J. Steele, perhaps? He wrote something vaguely in the general direction of being sympathetic towards "homosexuals" a few months back. It was published in the on-line edition of National Vanguard, along with some highly critical editorial comments from Kevin Alfred Strom, and a rebuttal article (or two, I believe) a day or two later from among their regular writers, as I seem to recall.

Okiereddust

2004-11-18 22:33 | User Profile

I figured something might be up, and that sounds like a couple of good guesses. Thanks Kevin.

Gabrielle

2004-11-18 22:34 | User Profile

Edgar J. Steele is a pathetic sod.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-18 22:43 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Edgar J. Steele is a pathetic sod.[/QUOTE]

Do you like and/or respect and/or admire and/or support ANYONE whos is pro-White and anti-Jew/anti-fag/anti-nigger? If not (and I'd like to see some examples, please, if you're going to claim you do), then why do you insist on the charade that you are on our side, rather than theirs?

MacDonald CSA

2004-11-18 22:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Just curious, could you give us maybe a little better idea who specifically you might have in mind? Right now I have no idea.[/QUOTE]

Just keeping wood on the fire...

No connection whatsoever to any certain boards or people. Some have said that WNs should have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy... Certain death it is!

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-18 23:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE=MacDonald CSA]Some have said that WNs should have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy... Certain death it is![/QUOTE]

As disreputable as most people already perceive us to be, we can't afford not to isolate ourselves from the "gays" (Justin Raimondo is a rare exception partly by virtue of his paleo-conservatism, i.e. he's not a White Nationalist, and partly by virtue of his extraordinary talents as an essayist), especially in light of the fact that our best recruitment prospects, almost by definition, loathe queers and everything associated with them (and rightly so, by and large).

Okiereddust

2004-11-18 23:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]As disreputable as most people already perceive us to be, we can't afford not to isolate ourselves from the "gays" (Justin Raimondo is a rare exception partly by virtue of his paleo-conservatism, i.e. he's not a White Nationalist, and partly by virtue of his extraordinary talents as an essayist), especially in light of the fact that our best recruitment prospects, almost by definition, loathe queers and everything associated with them (and rightly so, by and large).[/QUOTE]Justin now we're talking about?The main exception regarding Justin is of course he doesn't make a political issue out of his orientation. And besides that of course he isn't really a paleo, just an antiwar-libertarian who has a good feel for paleoism and a rare technique for aggravating neocons.

Politically his stances are purely heterosexual, i.e, I've never heard him advocate gay rights or anything like that in his writings. His only eccenticity is occasionally he does attack "bigots". But his peerless skill in making the neo's froth makes us forget these occasional libertarian lapses.

I've never heard anyone catch AIDS over the internet anyway.

Gabrielle

2004-11-19 04:00 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Do you like and/or respect and/or admire and/or support ANYONE whos is pro-White and anti-Jew/anti-fag/anti-nigger? If not (and I'd like to see some examples, please, if you're going to claim you do), then why do you insist on the charade that you are on our side, rather than theirs?[/QUOTE]

Oh, yes, I should admire a freak who supports pony riders. Makes a lot of sense, Kevin... And you call yourself a WN?

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-19 15:01 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Oh, yes, I should admire a freak who supports pony riders. Makes a lot of sense, Kevin... And you call yourself a WN?[/QUOTE]

Being a dues-paying member ($10/month) of the [url=http://www.natvan.com]National Alliance[/url] since 1996, as well as contributing hundreds of additional dollars to the Alliance on my own personal initiative, and having financially contributed to David Duke's 1991 Louisiana gubenatorial election campaign at the tender age of 20 (plus my financial support for the at least somewhat pro-White Patrick J. Buchanan's presidential campaigns in 1996 & 2000, as well as my fairly substantial financial contributions to California's Proposition 209 in 1996, which received 54% of the vote, and more-or-less succeeded in ending public sector "affirmative action" in our most populace state), as well as having been interviewed by journalists and subsequently identified, by name and city of residence, as a proud White Nationalist activist and open sympathizer with the views of Adolf Hitler, in the San Diego Union-Tribune, the San Jose Mercury News, the Palo Alto Daily News and the Metro Silicon Valley (that last interview and subsequent article in the Nov. 27, 2002 edition of the Metro, "Peace Nazis?," cost me my job at the time), and additionally having appeared in defense of White Nationalism, again by name, on the local news broadcasts of both KPIX tv in San Francisco and KNTV television in San Jose, over the course of the last 13 years (starting with an interview, some of which appeared in the San Diego Union-Tribune, after I was contacted by a Union-Tribune journalist who was utilizing a list of all people residing in San Diego County who had contributed money to David Duke's '91 gubenatorial campaign, which had been published just days earlier on the very front page of the Sunday edition of the San Diego Union-Tribune, though back then then it was just the Union, and which included my full name and home address, which was then a state university dormitory that also housed many Blacks and Mexicans, who often had active gang affiliations and would discharge their firearms a few yards from my ground-level window on an almost regular basis - while the campus security & California State University campus police did nothing but clean up the shell casings and discourage anyone from filing a formal complaint against the nonWhite degenerates), and having had numerous White Nationalist essays published in [url=http://anu.org/nationalisttimes.asp]The Nationalist Times[/url] and the on-line edition of [url=http://www.nationalvanguard.org]National Vanguard[/url] since 1999, and having personally hand-delivered nearly a thousand National Alliance leaflets, in my own community and while alone, and being intimidated and hassled for so doing by the San Jose police and the Santa Clara County sheriff's department, both on the street while distributing the flyers, and in my very own living room by a team of detectives complete with a shotgun-brandishing uniformed officer, as well as receiving death threats from some of my nonWhite neighbors (which were never pursued as the felonious criminal acts they were, despite the San Jose police actually knowing for certain the identity of at least one person who threatened me), and having my car repeatedly vandalized in retaliation for my pro-White public profile, (not to mention the smaller matter that I am a regular poster here and at The Phora under my own name, i.e. "Kevin O'Keeffe" is [B][I]NOT a handle), and no doubt a few other things I can't recall, or do not choose to relate to you at this time, I'd say "YES***," I do, in point of fact, have some legitimate basis for considering myself a White Nationalist.

(And thus has ended what is probably the single longest sentence in Original Dissent history).

May I ask what reason I should ignore your support for the re-election of the virulently anti-White, anti-American, anti-Western, anti-liberty, neo-"conservative," multiculturalist, open borders enthusiast, free trading, philo-Semitic traitor who calls himself "George W. Bush," and actually take seriously your claim to be a White Nationalist too? May I reiterate my question from my previous post to you within this thread, about which White Nationalist figure(s) you do not hold in the sort of utter contempt one tends to associate with Jews, queers and academics? May I get relevant answers to these two questions please?

As far as Mr. Edgar J. Steele is concerned, I do not recall specifically what he wrote, but I think it was more-or-less along the lines of how even if physical extermination is the route we wind up taking with the Jews, Blacks and such, he does not believe that would be an appropriate remedy for ***WHITE[/B][/I] "homosexuals." He also seems to believe such persons should be tolerated to the extent that one does not inquire about another's private life. I believe Mr. Steele would be right on the first point and wrong on the second, but in any event, I do not believe that the good Mr. Steele has ever penned an essay that could be reasonably construed as being in "support" of "pony riders." To claim Mr. Steele is somehow pro-"gay," is a lie. He's just not as anti-"gay" as is common within the White Nationalist movement.

In any event, your derogatory remarks pertaining to Mr. Steele ("Edgar J. Steele is a pathetic sod."), did not seem to stem from feelings which originated within this thread, but rather semed to indicate a long-standing distaste for Mr. Steele? May I ask why this is? Is it perhaps because Mr. Steele actually is the very sort of White Nationalist that you dishonestly claim to be, in order to facilitate your disruptive, infantile and obviously unwelcome trolling antics on this board, as well as [url=http://www.stormfront.org/]Stormfront[/url], and probably others.

Kentucky Knight

2004-11-19 17:26 | User Profile

Fags do not deserve to be within our ranks. I do not support queers and dykes in way, shape or form.

Gabrielle

2004-11-19 17:29 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] In any event, your derogatory remarks pertaining to Mr. Steele ("Edgar J. Steele is a pathetic sod."), did not seem to stem from feelings which originated within this thread, but rather semed to indicate a long-standing distaste for Mr. Steele? May I ask why this is? Is it perhaps because Mr. Steele actually is the very sort of White Nationalist that you dishonestly claim to be, in order to facilitate your disruptive, infantile and obviously unwelcome trolling antics on this board, as well as [url=http://www.stormfront.org/]Stormfront[/url], and probably others.[/QUOTE]

Right from the pathetic sod's mouth... dumb duck...read it and weep.

"However, though my thinking on homosexuality has been pretty well settled for a while (years, in fact), it is a hot subject, sure to annoy somebody. Put that way, I then wondered why I avoided it at all. More images of mud puddles erupting flashed through my mind.

Then, suddenly I realized why I've avoided talking about homosexuality. It's not just a case of PCPI - I'm going to annoy everybody with this one. This is a guaranteed case of I Lose, except for a couple of oddballs here and there whose minds are deranged in precisely the same manner as mine, if that is possible.

Am I the Only One Who Misses Bill These Days? I can't believe I am going to commend Bill Clinton, but he really did say it best: "Don't ask. Don't tell." That's it in a nutshell for me. Besides, if they don't tell, just how are you going to know, anyway? Maybe it's a holdover from my Libertarian days, when I walked precincts for John Anderson. Maybe it's because those precincts were in San Francisco. Or, maybe because it logically is the only workable approach. (Here's where the PI crowd starts throwing those tomatoes.)
The homosexual is trapped in a literal no-man's land: cross-wired and a dysfunctional mixture of at-odds inclinations. Like the result of the fruit fly trapped in the transporter pod in the movie, "The Fly." It's not their fault, if it must be characterized as a fault. Honestly, I view it as a fault, because it simply isn't the way things were meant to be. But we must deal with reality, not how we wish things to be, after all. And they deserve a life just as much as anybody else. Unfortunately, the rules become different for them because they are square pegs jammed into round holes. That's too bad, but that's democracy in action. Majority rule. Because they are so key to this discussion, let's digress into majorities in America for a moment."

My response to this pathetic sod...

So now we see sodomites are victims…trapped…it’s NOT their fault. They deserve a life too???? Please! Does a rapist or murderer deserve a life, too? Do you realize how many males’ lives have been either completely ruined or permanently damaged because of these perverts? Mr. Steele, sodomites are wicked revolting animals; they prey on anyone they deem weak (most especially children!) because they cannot reproduce…they must recruit! Not to mention that H. I.V. and its addition to the high cost of insurance rates; the insurance companies have to pay for this politically correct disease…but they just pass the expense on to their other customers.) Why should the ‘White movement’ accept men that lust after other men’s bodies? Look what it has done for the rest of the world – homo parades, homo adoption, damaging homo agendas, and in-your-face-homo promotion everywhere. It is now politically incorrect to speak the truth about sodomites; it could cost you your job, a promotion, etc. And you want WN’s to put their trust into these degenerates – to put their natural God-given shield down? What is wrong with you? Much to my dismay, more and more I have heard the Jewish line coming from WN’s mouths, ‘What does it matter what someone does in their own bedroom?’ What they don’t seem to realize is that, as stated above, sodomites must recruit, as they cannot give birth to more…‘playmates.’ So it should be fairly obvious to any thinking person that they will never keep it in their bedrooms. (If they truly did keep it in their own bedroom, and did not go after young boys and teens, no one would ever know about it; therefore there would be no controversy – but they don’t, and they won’t!!! They want us to and are demanding that we do accept them, no matter what they do. Guess what…NAMBLA is starting to demand the same thing. Should WN’s accept them, too? Lots of money and intelligent people in NAMBLA – many of them are doctors, lawyers, etc. – don’t they need a life, too? Their philosophy is that, as long as the boy (regardless of his age), says it’s okay to sodomize him, no one gets hurt, and they do it in their own bedroom, there’s no problem…wherein lies the problem, they ask? ‘It’s our lives, not yours – we can do what we want!’ Let’s not be hypocrites here – if you are going to give your OK, your blessing, to one perversion (as long as they do it in their own bedroom!), why stop there? How about bestiality? I mean, as long as they don’t harm the animal, what’s the problem? After all, there was a man in New Hampshire not long ago who wanted to marry his goat – he loved that goat! Should we welcome Goat Man into our meetings and homes? Remember, this guy never harmed that goat; he wanted it for his wife. You say, ‘that is perverted, Gabrielle’; of course it is! But I say that two men playing pony is perverted, also – it goes against everything normal and decent! Another aspect to consider is that, if we accept pony riders into our midst, they will be ‘role models’ for and leaders of the younger male members…Is this what we want? Do we want our brothers, sons and friends being led by these perverts? Two men defiling themselves and leaving their desires for females is detrimental to the white race. It leaves fewer husbands for white women and fewer children for the white race. I am sorry Mr. Steele, but your reasoning - or lack thereof - is not only dangerous to men and women, but to our race as a whole. You are wrong, and you should rethink your position on this very important issue.

“Jewish reform group calls for an end to discrimination in Boy Scouts, but no effect felt in Seattle” [url]http://archives.thedaily.washington....Boyscouts.html[/url]

“CANADIAN OFFICIAL FIRED OVER ANTI-QUEER REMARKS SAID "SUCCESS IN THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT DUE TO WELL ORCHESTRATED CONSPIRACY" [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=102394[/url]

"The head of a national homosexual organization is vowing to politically "punish," "terrify" and "torture" activists who oppose his organization's agenda on "gay" rights – which he says would give him "endless satisfaction."

[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=38275[/url]

May I suggest you start visiting [url]www.newnationnews.com[/url] every day and see the cold hard reality of your so-called little victims? Here are a few more sites for you… [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=116598[/url] [url]http://www.godhatesfags.com/[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=119220[/url]

[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=94929[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=88316[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=113244[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...ght=homosexuals[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/sho...ighlight=queers[/url]

Walter Yannis

2004-11-19 20:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] I just refuse to turn my back on an otherwise fine man like Justin Raimondo . . . .[/QUOTE]

Just don't drop your keys when you do man, and you'll be fine.

Texas Dissident

2004-11-19 20:09 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Just don't drop your keys when you do man, and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Walter Yannis

2004-11-19 20:16 | User Profile

[QUOTE=MacDonald CSA]Just keeping wood on the fire...

No connection whatsoever to any certain boards or people. Some have said that WNs should have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy... Certain death it is![/QUOTE]

That potato and jelly link you have above is just appalling. Whoa.

Not for the weak of stomach.

I have an oooold friend who's an ER doctor. He has lots of these kinds of stories. When I see him on rare occasions we usually go to our usual "cook your own steak" joint, and he tells me just nauseating stuff as we stuff ourselves with lots of bloody red meat.

The worst thing he ever pulled out of a guys butt was a florescent lightbulb. He got it out without breaking the darned thing, too. He was proud of that.

The biggest thing was one of the big bottles of Wesson oil. He had to operate to get it out.

He never saw any dead gerbils up there, though. He thinks that's an urban legend because nobody'd actually survive it.

It couldn't be real great for the gerbil either, when you actually think about it.

And if you think it's just faggots that have gross sexual stuff, he regaled us with a story of a very attractive thirty-something professional woman who had such an advanced case of genital warts - just hundreds of warts sprouting from the depths - that "it looked like she had a piece of broccoli growing from her ______." My brother was there, and he nearly lost a very nice dinner over that one. We had to ask him to tone it down.

Doctors, man. They've seen it all.

I know that some of you think this is inappropriate, and you're right!

So I'll stop!!

Walter

Ponce

2004-11-19 22:57 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Fags do not deserve to be within our ranks. I do not support queers and dykes in way, shape or form.[/QUOTE]

Hey preacher? I don't know what kind of "preacher" you are but I don't like the way that you talking . I for one don't really like them but now days they have the right to do what they want as long as they don't hurt you.

I for one don't have a religion but I don't talk like you are about those here who do believe in religion,,,,,,to me is a matter of respect towars others.

Gabrielle

2004-11-20 00:04 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Ponce]Hey preacher? I don't know what kind of "preacher" you are but I don't like the way that you talking . I for one don't really like them but now days they have the right to do what they want as long as they don't hurt you.

I for one don't have a religion but I don't talk like you are about those here who do believe in religion,,,,,,to me is a matter of respect towars others.[/QUOTE]

Get real, Ponce... too many sods are child molesters and they are abominations. Lets face it, if you are going to tolerate sods then you must also tolerate bestiality.

Ponce

2004-11-20 00:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Get real, Ponce... too many sods are child molesters and they are abominations. Lets face it, if you are going to tolerate sods then you must also tolerate bestiality.[/QUOTE]

Well Gabby, you could be right, after all most of the homos are Jews.

And the Kiddy porn industry is controlled also by the Jews.

The same for the Extasy date rape drug.

Like I read about four years ago, according to the AMA the most homos per capita in the world are in the Zionist state of Israel,,,,,, do you ever wonder why you don't see or hear anything about those with AID in Israel?

Or why Jewish women always try to mary a Goy instead of a Jewish man, and also remember that that there is a disease that affects most of the Jewish man, is in their genes.

Yeap Gabby, you could be right.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-20 10:03 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Fags do not deserve to be within our ranks. I do not support queers and dykes in way, shape or form.[/QUOTE]

I don't support them either, and I believe they should be actively expelled from all pro-White groups. I just also happen to think Hitler went overboard in trying to kill all of the male ones (apparently the German National Socialists went easier on the "lesbians").

Walter Yannis

2004-11-20 10:23 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I don't support them either, and I believe they should be actively expelled from all pro-White groups. I just also happen to think Hitler went overboard in trying to kill all of the male ones (apparently the German National Socialists went easier on the "lesbians").[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think that the Nazis had a point about that. Viewed objectively, lesbianism doesn't present the clear and present danger to the public health, safety of children, and general moral atmosphere than does sodomy, and so it makes perfect sense to treat them differently.

And that difference derives directly from the objective physical nature of the acts involved. Sodomy is a terribly septic act. Read McDonald's link above about about the medical consequences of sodomy. It's some pretty disturbing stuff. There's of course the AIDS epidemic, but that's just one of a whole array of veneral diseases and immunological disorders (the body treats spermazoids in the intestinal tract as invading micobes, throwing the whole system out of kilter, as just one example). Sodomy is very, very disgusting and dangerous, and no sane society would tolerate it for public health reasons alone. And as McDonald notes above, males tend to be predatory - especially on children - in a way women generally are not, and so right there we're nuts to even contemplate allowing sodomy to flourish openly, much less "celebrating" it.

In contrast, lesbian sex acts simply don't have those same horrible consequences (at least immediate consequences), since the female equipment doesn't lend itself to all the horrors attendant upon using the anus as the recepticle of the penis. Not that I condone lesbian acts - the Bible tells us that it's also awful. I merely point out that sodomy is a much, much bigger and more immediate threat to the general welfare than lesbianism.

And note well that in the OT the penalty for sodomy was summary execution by public stoning, whereas lesbianism isn't even mentioned (as far as I'm aware, anyway). It was always considered wrong, but in a society where males are forced to marry and raise families, women receive the protection Nature and Nature's God has planned for them, and so fewer women would consider it. And even when it does happen the consequences aren't nearly as imminently dire as those attendant upon sodomy, as noted above.

I think that most of us buy the whole erroneous "equality" thing without really thinking about it. We automatically assume that somehow if we have different legal sanctions for lesbian acts versus male sodomy, then we're somehow not being "fair." But that's all sophomoric nonsense. We have to get rid of this idea that the law should always be viewed subjectively, focusing on the law's impact on the individual's internal experience. But that's not what the law is. The law is all about viewing things objectively - the impact of individual actions on the general welfare. There will always be disparate impact as to how laws affect individuals, and we must accept that for the good of all, some individuals will simply have to accept a disproportionate burden of the wild cards fate is wont to deal.

Absent from the entire debate about homosexuality is precisely its impact on the public health and safety, and our collective inability to recognize this obvious objective reality springs directly from our pervasive PeeCee indoctrination; i.e. that in matters sexual, including even marriage, the only thing that really matters is how the individuals FEEL about it.

Screw that. We need to put a hard, objective edge back on the law (Rushdoony).

Walter

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-20 10:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Right from the pathetic sod's mouth... dumb duck...read it and weep.

I don't agree with Mr. Steele's enthusiasm for "don't ask, don't tell," but neither do I regard it as a totally indefensible position (such as I would support for Wolfowitz's war in Iraq, or being in favor of continued mass Third World immigration). In short, its a question over which sane, decent, intelligent and informed men can differ (although Mr. Steele's position would almost certainly be the minority view within such a population).

Convicted pedophiles and bona fide members of NAMBLA (a few names on their membership lists may well have been planted there by a diabolical enemy of the person listed, who has no idea he's considered a NAMBLA member - if I were evil and dishonest, and had personal enemies, its the sort of thing I'd do to said enemies) should **[I]ALL[/I][/B] be executed via firing squad or the gallows.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-20 10:31 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Get real, Ponce... too many sods are child molesters and they are abominations. Lets face it, if you are going to tolerate sods then you must also tolerate bestiality.[/QUOTE]

Execute the pedophiles, not members of demographic groups that overlap significantly with the pedophile population (as male homos certainly do, contrary to the lies spread by their liberal and neo-"conservative" admirers). After all, most pedophiles are men, and most male sodomites aren't pedophiles (at least not in deed), so should we dispose of all men too?

Walter Yannis

2004-11-20 11:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Execute the pedophiles, not members of demographic groups that overlap significantly with the pedophile population (as male homos certainly do, contrary to the lies spread by their liberal and neo-"conservative" admirers). After all, most pedophiles are men, and most male sodomites aren't pedophiles (at least not in deed), so should we dispose of all men too?[/QUOTE]

Again, Kevin, you're making the erroneous assumption that we should view the thing from the point of view of the individual involved.

No way. We need to design our laws to achieve specific public ends. We deal with overt acts, and most emphatically NOT subjective feelings.

Sodomy presents a clear and present danger to the public health and safety. It must be outlawed, and treated as the dangerous, anti-social crime it is. At least when we look at its objective impact on society, and not about how the individual fag feels about it.

I suggest that we take an OT approach to it, updated perhaps. I'd give anybody convicted - after an open and fair public trial - of sodomy a chance to reform, especially availing ourselves of the wonders modern science and Depo Provera provide. Ankle braclets and subdermal Depo Provera implants should protect society and help the individual pervert to live in accordance with the needs of society and even to lead otherwise productive and even happy lives. A second offense should incur an automatic death penalty - we can't take risks with the public health and safety of children beyond that.

This proposal tempers the justice of the OT with the mercy of the NT, as is proper in a Christian society.

Why you seem automatically to assume that we should target all men because sodomy is a problem is beyond me.

Walter

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-20 18:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Why you seem automatically to assume that we should target all men because sodomy is a problem is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe any such thing; I was merely pointing out the absurd injustice of advocating the collective punishment of all sodomites, when only a relatively small number of them actually prey on children. I wouldn't object too strenuously to pedophiles, and even law-abiding NAMBLA members (if there are any), being tortured to death, although I probably should find it within my heart to be against such practices. And while its true that most pedophiles are "homosexual" (our academics say otherwise, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out the sexual proclivities of a bunch of guys fooling around with little boys), its also true that most pedophiles are men, and its further true that most homosexuals, as well as most men, are ***NOT[/B][/I] pedophiles. Thus I see no reason why all "homosexuals" should bear the onus of pedophilia, anymore than all men should be required to (and there are pedophiles who prefer women and little girls, after all, so its not like its an exclusively "gay" crime, although it certainly is quite disproportionately perpetrated by such elements in our society).

There may be perfectly good reasons to ban sodomy once more (I'd be in favor of doing so just to teach the Supreme Court that they've overstepped their authority), but the fact that pedophilia is a less rare crime among "homosexuals" than it is among more healthy men, does not constitute such a reason. I suspect that lying and general dishonesty causes a lot more suffering and damage to Western civilization than does sodomy and general sexual perversion, but for some reason, people like to treat sexuality-related sins as somehow far more important than all other ones. I don't see how that makes any rational sense. Does it make sense to you?

Gabrielle

2004-11-20 19:24 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I don't believe any such thing; I was merely pointing out the absurd injustice of advocating the collective punishment of all sodomites, when only a relatively small number of them actually prey on children. I wouldn't object too strenuously to pedophiles, and even law-abiding NAMBLA members (if there are any), being tortured to death, although I probably should find it within my heart to be against such practices. And while its true that most pedophiles are "homosexual" (our academics say otherwise, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out the sexual proclivities of a bunch of guys fooling around with little boys), its also true that most pedophiles are men, and its further true that most homosexuals, as well as most men, are ***NOT[/B][/I] pedophiles. Thus I see no reason why all "homosexuals" should bear the onus of pedophilia, anymore than all men should be required to (and there are pedophiles who prefer women and little girls, after all, so its not like its an exclusively "gay" crime, although it certainly is quite disproportionately perpetrated by such elements in our society).

Kevin, there are no words to describe this crap... you are a brainwashed fool.

It is people like you who are just as dangerous to society as the sods.

Torture is against God’s law… under God's law we would stone male and female queers.

Centinel

2004-11-20 22:41 | User Profile

You won't get him to veer very far into the WN camp, I'm afraid. Antiwar.com is even running articles penned by his libertarian Israel-First nemesis Ilana Mercer now (WTF?)

[url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34057]Mercer: Libertarians who loathe Israel[/url]

[url=http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=263]Raimondo's response[/url]

...not to mention that Raimondo has an axe to grind against Kevin MacDonald (cheering from the sidelines for Derbyshire's hit piece on KMac in TAC a couple years back):

[url=http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032203.html]Commissar Frum[/url]

The rest of Frum's essay is an inside-baseball blow-by-blow description of the faction fights that have plagued the Right over the past decade, and, as such, are of minimal interest to my readers. Suffice to say that, here, too, the conspiracy theorist in Frum comes to the fore: he even manages to drag in an obscure writer of anti-Semitic tracts, Kevin MacDonald, whom he admits "does not quite belong to the paleoconservative club." I had never heard of MacDonald until I read a negative review of one of his books in Ã¢â¬Â¦ The American Conservative! The author of the review was Frum's fellow National Review columnist John Derbyshire, who sure was a lot softer on MacDonald than I would have been. And yet MacDonald is portrayed as a member of a "movement" in which I am supposed to be a major figure. What a load of malarkey!

Raimondo's only redeeming quality is his ability to scathingly write about Israel's hijacking of American foreign policy, a position that's earned him the wrath of Abe Foxman and some neocon pundits.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-21 15:23 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Kevin, there are no words to describe this crap... you are a brainwashed fool.

It is people like you who are just as dangerous to society as the sods.

Oh yes, I'm calling for ALL pedophiles, and even non-practicing NAMBLA mebers, to be rounded up and hanged as soon as is reasonably possible within a paleo-conservative/strict constructionist interpretation of the relevant portions of the Constitution (meaning they get fair trials before they are hanged, essentially), and to make sodomy between men a felony again, and yet I'm just as much a threat to society as those very members of NAMBLA I wish to see put to death tomorrow, because I don't actually think its necessary to pro-actively seek out and kill each and every confused faggot in the country?

I think its far more likely that you are simply saying things you don't believe (after all, despite your claims of being a White Nationalist, you are obviously a neo-"conservative," and neo-con filth all just [B][I]LOVE[/B][/I] faggots; half of them ARE fags, after all) in order to criticize one who has been (and will continue to be) especially vociferous in his criticism of you. If you think anyone here will be negatively influenced towards me by the laughable spectacle of you trying to channel a "homophobic" version of David Frum, even those who's position on this question may well be closer to an intelligent version of the one you claim to be espousing, rather than to the one I am sincerely discussing, you are living in a fantasy. The only reason I respond to your posts at all is because there really a lot of "lurkers" out there, i.e. people who read these forums as if they were a magazine of sorts, and who do not contribute anything themselves, and I would hate for any lurker seeking out a paleo-conservative or White Nationalist perspective to come across your ignorant ravings on this site and see them go unchallenged, and thus perhaps falsely conclude that your idiocy and sycophantic evil is welcome here. Otherwise, you are simply nothing, and I would have placed you on "ignore" a long time ago. If I find myself getting a little busier in my life, I will probably place you on "ignore" anyway, and let the "lurkers" sort out things for themselves....

Oh, and by the way, since you are a disgusting Bush lover, and since everyone knows the Bush administration is riddled with the very faggots (Jewish ones mainly, to add insult to injury, as it were) that are strewn throughout the ranks of the neo-"conservative" cabal that dominates it, how are we supposed to take seriously anything you say against the very fags who's neo-con causes you champion? What with the fact that cock-sucking pansies are infesting the White House under Bush (as they did under Klinton too, it should be noted in all fairness), and how Cheney pretty much runs the show when George "Its a lot of hard work" Bush isn't playing golf, drinking too many gin fizzes and going to bed before sunset, they really ought to call it the Dick Administration....If you want to kill the faggots, why did you vote to keep so many of them in the White House, Pentagon, Justice Department, etc?

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Torture is against GodÃ¢â¬â¢s lawÃ¢â¬Â¦ under God's law we would stone male and female queers.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, although the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament could easily be seen as tempering such enthusiasms ("Let he who hath never sinned cast the first stone," and all that). In any event, I would go so far as to say that God has some unwritten laws (although maybe Walter knows where they actually are written down; he's a lot more formally learned in such matters than I, but I won't do him the disservice of suggesting you ask him, as no one likes hearing from you), and one of them is that people shouldn't be so stupid that they are incapable of writing a simple sentence without contradicting themselves. As should be clear to all, stoning someone to death is, innately and by virtue of its very definition, a form of torturing someone to death. Since you couldn't reason out such an elementary self-evidency on your own, are you perhaps mentally retarded? If so, I'm sorry for being so mean to you all the time. If I ever run into you in public, I'll buy you an ice cream cone, and then you run all the way home to watch your favorite cartoon shows....

On second thought, I [B][I]AM*** to busy to continue wasting my life responding to your childish droolings. This is the last time you wil ever be addressed my me, because I am placing you on "ignore" as soon as I post this message. I recommend everyone else do the same.

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2004-11-21 15:34 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Centinel]Raimondo's only redeeming quality is his ability to scathingly write about Israel's hijacking of American foreign policy, a position that's earned him the wrath of Abe Foxman and some neocon pundits.[/QUOTE]

He has at least one other highly salient redeeming quality, in addition to his ability to "scathingly write about Israel's hijacking of American foreign policy," which is probably a talent many talented journalists and essayists can be said to share in. What Mr. Raimondo also has is the courage, patriotism and will to actually employ his talents, knowing full well he is placing a ceiling on the limits of his future career as a writer, which is why he's worthy of our respect.

Gabrielle

2004-12-18 00:09 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe] On second thought, I [B][I]AM*** to busy to continue wasting my life responding to your childish droolings. This is the last time you wil ever be addressed my me, because I am placing you on "ignore" as soon as I post this message. I recommend everyone else do the same.[/QUOTE]

You are such a whimpering whiner! :crybaby:

Bardamu

2004-12-18 01:00 | User Profile

I live in San Francisco and it's a plain fact that there are many, many decent fags. Generally speaking, they make good neighbors and/or tenants. In fact, around here it is a very rare heterosexual who professes hatred or even dislike of homosexuals, and this is not because they are afraid to, it is because they have been around enough of them to appreciate the large percentage of decent ones, and even extraordinarily good ones. Homosexuality is a genetic fact of life, although it's quite true: queers don't like fundies, so I guess there is no reason for me to expect fundies to like queers. By the way, I mean no offense by the word fundie, I just prefer the vernacular.

Franco

2004-12-18 04:08 | User Profile

Heyth! Cuth outh allth the gayth bashingth! :biggrin:

Walter Yannis

2004-12-18 06:45 | User Profile

Outlawing all acts of sodomy is not obviously absurd.

Most societies did exactly that, and some pretty damned successful ones at that.

So the burden of proving the "absuridity" of banning sodomy is on you.

Why are strict laws against sodomy wrong, in your opinion?

Walter