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Thread ID: 15677 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2004-11-17
2004-11-17 19:54 | User Profile
THE MOTIVATIONS OF POLITICAL LEFTISTS
"So what is going on? Again, what really IS Leftism/liberalism and WHY are people Leftist/liberal? What, if anything, do people have in common who describe themselves (and are described by others) as "Leftists", "socialists", "social democrats", "Communists" and (in North America) "liberals"? However unsatisfactory and apparently simplistic the Left/Right division of the political world may be, there is any amount of research showing it to be a powerful, ubiquitous and perhaps inescapable way of identifying both people and political parties (e.g. Budge et al., 1987; Ray, 1982; Bobbio, 1996) so we do need to answer such questions.
Whatever Rightists might want, however, wanting to change the existing system is the umbrella under which all Leftists meet. Even at the height of British socialism, for instance, British Leftists still wanted MORE socialism. That permanent and corrosive dissatisfaction with the society they live in is the one thing that clearly identifies all Leftists. That is the basic thing that they all have in common. In deciding where they go from there, however, they are extremely fractious and can even be murderous towards one-another (e.g. Stalin versus Trotsky). It is in describing his fellow revolutionaries (Kautsky and others) that Lenin himself spoke swingeingly of "the full depth of their stupidity, pedantry, baseness and betrayal of working-class interests" (Lenin, 1952). He could hardly have spoken more contemptuously of the Tsar. This divisiveness of the Left does not however stop them from generally having some identifiable broad policy themes in common. There was great hatred and antagonism between Russian and Chinese regimes in the 1960s, 70s and 80s, for instance, but they were nonetheless both Communist.
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Very interesting reading... your opinions please.
2004-11-21 03:00 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
To understanding the motivations of people is harder than understanding how and what they do. Marxism seks to rebuild society into a new order that has never been. One of it's problem has always marxism seeks to destroy morality and build a new moral order. Marxism always ends in a blood bath in which marxist kills marxist. It happen in Russia, Spain, and China. In the case of Spain marxist infighting caused their government to fall apart and gave Franco a chance to take power.
[QUOTE]Even at the height of British socialism, for instance, British Leftists still wanted MORE socialism. That permanent and corrosive dissatisfaction with the society they live in is the one thing that clearly identifies all Leftists. That is the basic thing that they all have in common. In deciding where they go from there, however, they are extremely fractious and can even be murderous towards one-another (e.g. Stalin versus Trotsky). [/QUOTE]
Now the article was from the Neocon Front Page Magazine but not everthing they put out was bad. I often think David Horowitz is trying to play good cop. By putting out anti-marxist anti-Black, anti-Mexican, anti-Arab, articles in order to make people think he is fighting for "Western Civilization."
Some related stuff:
The New Dark Age - The Frankfurt School and Political Correctness [url]http://www.hackcanada.com/blackcrawl/patriot/frankfurt_school.txt[/url]
"Revolutionary conservative" what's that? [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030206152232/www.suba.com/~rcarrier/revcon.html[/url]
"Anti-racism" [url]http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/apr2000/articles/jk_antiracism.html[/url]
The Frankfurt School (Wikipedia) [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15482[/url]
Political Correctness-The Frankfurt School Story(VIDEO) [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12924[/url]
2004-11-21 13:48 | User Profile
To analyze the motives of people involved in political parties/movements, divide them into categories. This is how I see it: One category is the instigators...they cast the shiny lures for the other category to swallow:
The followers. They have swallowed a shiny lure and are being led in directions they don't understand.
The left has operated on this principle more than the right. Marxism/socialism etc, offers the herd a Utopia. All they need to do is relinquish their rights and soveregnty and trust the leadership.
My dear Gabrielle, Please don't forget the Jews run the right (and Libertarianism) almost the same way.
While some ideologies/philosophies are better than others, they are handy to have just like good rope......but none are any good when they get tangled around your neck.
2004-11-21 16:19 | User Profile
You appear to be a smart woman but not very intelligent,,,,,I'd rather stay dumb and intelligent.
2004-11-22 18:55 | User Profile
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