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Thread ID: 15640 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2004-11-13
2004-11-13 03:46 | User Profile
Most protestent christians and post vatican 2 catholics have been joodiazed. All one has to do to prove this is look at how much attention and teaching they do of the Old Testament. Almost more old testament than the New Testament. Also read the some of the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Christian faith. Men such as St. Gregorious, St. Basil, and especially St. John the Chrysostom. These saints rid the heresies out of the church, and preserved the faith . Ask yourselves how many times have you heard of these men? how many times has your pastor or priest talked about them or used their writtings in his sermons???????? Go and read especially The Homilies ( speaches) of Saint John the Chrysostom. Read and see what he advises about Christians not to be joodeized. :saddam:
2004-11-18 17:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=spartakos]Most protestent christians and post vatican 2 catholics have been joodiazed. All one has to do to prove this is look at how much attention and teaching they do of the Old Testament. Almost more old testament than the New Testament. Also read the some of the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Christian faith. Men such as St. Gregorious, St. Basil, and especially St. John the Chrysostom. These saints rid the heresies out of the church, and preserved the faith . Ask yourselves how many times have you heard of these men? how many times has your pastor or priest talked about them or used their writtings in his sermons???????? Go and read especially The Homilies ( speaches) of Saint John the Chrysostom. Read and see what he advises about Christians not to be joodeized. :saddam:[/QUOTE] Actually, I disagree. The average Christian of today doesn't use enough OT teaching. Most people believe the Laws of the OT no longer exist since Christ died on the cross. Even Christ himself said he never came to destory the laws of the OT, only to fulfill.
Without teaching the OT, you have NO Bible! Every Law that Christ stood for came from the OT teachings. The OT teaches us Christians how to set up governments, how to bank, how to farm, how to teach our children, how to run a court room, all the way to having a healthy diet!
I myself obey all OT Laws, such as not eating pork and rabbit all the way to knowing that homsexuals have two choices in life, either to repent or they are worthy of death. The worst thing that has happen to American Churches is the idea that the OT no longer means anything. The New Age Christians of today are just that, NT Follwers. This is why so many Christians accept race-mixing, a no no that you can read about in Deut. 23:2. I could set here all day and name the ideas that mainstream Christians embrace which are a no, no in God's eyes.
Don't forget, our forefathers built America on OT Laws, not these New Age laws which are MAN-MADE.
2004-11-18 18:05 | User Profile
I must disagree, and agree with the original poster. The average American evangelical places far too much emphasis on the OT, and uses that as the basis for his belief that Jews are still God's chosen.
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]Actually, I disagree. The average Christian of today doesn't use enough OT teaching. Most people believe the Laws of the OT no longer exist since Christ died on the cross. Even Christ himself said he never came to destory the laws of the OT, only to fulfill.
That is correct, however, when something is fulfilled, it means it is no longer in effect. When an obligation has been fulfilled, then it is no longer in force. With the coming of Christ, the purpose of the OT laws was accomplished, meaning that the role of the OT laws has been ended.
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]I myself obey all OT Laws, such as not eating pork and rabbit all the way to knowing that homsexuals have two choices in life, either to repent or they are worthy of death.[/QUOTE] You keep kosher, despite the fact that the NT specifically says that Christians don't need to? No offense, but that sounds a little odd to me.
2004-11-18 19:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]You keep kosher, despite the fact that the NT specifically says that Christians don't need to? No offense, but that sounds a little odd to me.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
KK seems awful 'Rainaeey' to me.
2004-11-18 23:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Indeed.
KK seems awful 'Rainaeey' to me.[/QUOTE]Not to me. Sounds CI to me. CI's actually seem all over the board in a lot of what they teach and believe, but kosher laws are well within that spectrum.
When I hear something about polyamorism then I'll get my umbrella :lol:
2004-11-19 00:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Not to me. Sounds CI to me.[/QUOTE]
Nope. The pedigree is just too particularist and the views expressed so finely tuned towards a very specific extreme.
I'm 98% certain that this is Raina, the troll of a thousand faces.
2004-11-19 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] I'm 98% certain that this is Raina, the troll of a thousand faces.[/QUOTE]
MMM, my name is M* B*. golfball who post here knows who I am, since I am a fellow Knight. What do you do besides post here on this site?
2004-11-19 17:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kentucky Knight]What do you do besides post here on this site?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely nothing.
2004-11-19 18:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Nope. The pedigree is just too particularist and the views expressed so finely tuned towards a very specific extreme.
I'm 98% certain that this is Raina, the troll of a thousand faces.[/QUOTE]
Tex, I sympathize with your paranoia these days in view of Raina, but I think you are making a big mistake here. Obeying OT dietary laws (not "Kosher", which means blessed by a Rabbi) is a big part of some CI. See for instance[URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/printthread.php?t=103115]Dietary Laws (SF)[/URL] or
[url]http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an011016-11.html[/url].
Kentucky Knight, if you're a friend of golfball I'll vouch for you. Forgive Tex. He's been through a lot on this board lately with professional trolls, and may tend to overreact on the side of suspicion sometimes. Welcome to the board, and I do hope you're happy here.
2004-11-19 19:01 | User Profile
Is keeping OD dietary laws, etc. a Christian Identity thing? I assume that's what KK is.
2004-11-19 19:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Tex, I sympathize with your paranoia these days in view of Raina, but I think you are making a big mistake here. Obeying OT dietary laws (not "Kosher", which means blessed by a Rabbi) is a big part of some CI. See for instance[URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/printthread.php?t=103115]Dietary Laws (SF)[/URL] or
[url]http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an011016-11.html[/url].
I don't dispute that, Okie.
My suspicions get aroused when someone signs up with such a distinct and detailed persona and begins strongly posting finely tuned/over the top/extreme opinions that create a charicature. The style and trend is very striking and readily apparent. Think of rban the Hindu/Aryan supremacist, Hadasseh the grieving Jewish widow, Raina the Lesbian racialist, Huda Allah blah blah the female Palestinian freedom fighter, Leaf Dragon/Octopod the Christian Crusader, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.
I'm not paranoid, I just don't want anyone that doesn't have an eye for the troll to be fooled by it. That said, if golfball personally vouches for the guy then I'll retract my judgment of 'him'. But he better have met 'him' face to face and not casually on-line to completely convince me.
2004-11-19 19:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't dispute that, Okie.
My suspicions get aroused when someone signs up with such a distinct and detailed persona and begins strongly posting finely tuned/over the top/extreme opinions that create a charicature. The style and trend is very striking and readily apparent. Think of rban the Hindu/Aryan supremacist, Hadasseh the grieving Jewish widow, Raina the Lesbian racialist, Huda Allah blah blah the female Palestinian freedom fighter, Leaf Dragon/Octopod the Christian Crusader, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.
I'm not paranoid, I just don't want anyone that doesn't have an eye for the troll to be fooled by it.
That said, if golfball personally vouches for the guy then I'll retract my judgment of 'him'. But he better have met 'him' face to face and not casually on-line to completely convince me
Very good. You didn't even mention Triskelion aka Vibeke Oostergaard, the crusading councilman from the Faroese Islands, independently wealthy and successful businessman, come as savoir of Americans from the failures of paleoconseratism into the bright folkish nationalist future pioneered by altruistic European nationalists such as himself. :lol:
That said, I think trolls can sometimes in a way be useful too. They actually have to study the strengths and weaknesses of their position more, and come up with a airtight position, even if its false. Taking what they say with a grain of salt, you can learn a bit from them.
That said, I and I suspect you are a bit learned out here. I don't think we need to require real life claims, but I agree with you if someone asserts such, they really need to be accurate and verifiable. "Triskelion" sure taught us that.
2004-11-19 19:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Is keeping OD dietary laws, etc. a Christian Identity thing? I assume that's what KK is.[/QUOTE]It is to some, but really CI seems to me to be all over the board on a lot of what regular mainstream Christians would call basic doctrinal points. I wouldn't hold any particular CI to it, or even say it one of their central points.
2004-11-19 20:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Very good. You didn't even mention Triskelion aka Vibeke Oostergaard, the crusading councilman from the Faroese Islands, independently wealthy and successful businessman, come as savoir of Americans from the failures of paleoconseratism into the bright folkish nationalist future pioneered by altruistic European nationalists such as himself. :lol:[/QUOTE]
LOL, indeed. How could I have forgotten our good friend Trisk. Where's Il Ragno when we need him? :)
That said, I think trolls can sometimes in a way be useful too. They actually have to study the strengths and weaknesses of their position more, and come up with a airtight position, even if its false. Taking what they say with a grain of salt, you can learn a bit from them.
I agree. Our lady Gabrielle is a good case in point here. What you want to avoid having is what a good troll can do, and that is go right to a very fine, masked underlying point of contention between prominent members of a board in order to exacerbate differences and create dissension and ultimately division. On this board that might be an issue like observing OT jewish dietary laws or some fine theological point that separates Protestants from Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
When a character like KK comes on so strong out of the blue, I start smelling gefilte fish. But spotting the troll is not an exact science, more like an inborn artistic talent.