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Thread ID: 15619 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2004-11-11
2004-11-11 15:57 | User Profile
A poll:
Will Arafat's death help the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians?
1) Yes, Israel will now support a contiguous Palestinian state. 2) Yes, Israel will annex the occupied land and welcome the Palestinians as Israeli citizens. 3) Yes, Israel will return the occupied land to countries the land was taken from. 4) No, Israel still wants the land cleansed of Palestinians.
Why should I care? My own money, safety, and freedom is being spent by the US in support of Israel and its hostile policies.
2004-11-11 16:26 | User Profile
I think Yasser Arafat was a great hero, no matter his methods....
Anyway, HH, my predictions for the future of Palestine lean strongly with #4, than with #'s 1, 2 and 3. Maybe things could be different if Bush can lean on Sharon to be fair, but I find that unlikely. With the wanton killing of Muslims in Iraq, George Bush has no credibility in the Muslim world.
2004-11-11 17:20 | User Profile
I say #4, the Zionists will find new reasons to cancell the Palestinian people and continue to steal their land.
There will be soon a mayor bomb attack on the Israelis, the poor ones, which will renew the attack on the Palestinians.
As long as there is one jew in Palestinian territories there should be no peace, or let me put it this way, would you be happy if the chinese army were to take and live in part of the USA?,,,,,,,,Are you happy that the Mexicans illegals are taking over part of the western USA?
At least the Mexicans used to live in part of the USA and do have a right to try and take over but the Zionist never lived in Palestine and are natives of Central Asia and Northern Europe, what we have here is nothing more than an invasion of Palestine as is the new invasion of Iraq.
The same as the British did in the 1800's the USA is setting up colonies all over the world thanks to their WMD, we now have( either by invitation or hostile take over) troops in 176 country's.
2004-11-11 19:18 | User Profile
[COLOR=Blue] - "I think Yasser Arafat was a great hero, no matter his methods...."[/COLOR]
Michael A. Hoffman II didn't have a very high opinion of Arafat's leader capabilities:..
[B]"Arafat is pretty stupid (though many of the PLO people around him are not). Instead of visiting Jewish wax museums he should be building and promoting a Palestinian museum of the Israeli holocaust against Arabs.
But, the poor schmuck sought to gain "credibility" by making a pilgrimage to the U.S. Holocaust Museum/Synagogue to prove to the world how humane he is (as noted, this chap's I.Q. is not far above his shoe size)."[/B]
[url]http://www.revisionisthistory.org/whore9.html[/url]
Petr
2004-11-11 21:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]A poll:
Will Arafat's death help the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians? [/QUOTE] Listening to NPR last night, I think as is sometimes the case, they actually did a pretty good job of explaining the case.
Succinctly, their main point was the Israeli's have used Arafat as an excuse not to seriously attempt to make peace. Bush has gone along with this approach, adopted it for his own, and feels very comfortable with it.
Now the Israeli's are going to have to find a different excuse not to make peace. It shouldn't be any problem for them of course coming up with something, but Bush is shafted, because he's going to have to do a lot of work now coping with the shifting stances of the Israeli's that he's stuck with. Bush of course IMO is a lazy SOB who hates to think for himself, but now he's going to have to.
Ha Ha Jorge!!!
2004-11-12 07:13 | User Profile
I vote #4.
Succinctly, their main point was the Israeli's have used Arafat as an excuse not to seriously attempt to make peace. Bush has gone along with this approach, adopted it for his own, and feels very comfortable with it.
Now the Israeli's are going to have to find a different excuse not to make peace. This is precisely correct. Arafat was the Israelis' whipping boy and scapegoat. He almost certainly had nothing to do with any of the suicide attacks of the most recent Intifada, and the Israelis probably thought the same thing, but they needed a name and a face on which to place the blame for what nameless and faceless Palestinian militants were doing of their own accord. Even when Arafat was holed up in his compound and surrounded by Israeli tanks, the US and Israel were blaming him for "not doing enough to stop Palestinian violence." It was perfectly ridiculous and asinine, but now the Israelis have lost their main excuse not to negotiate, so they'll just have to find another.
2004-11-12 17:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I vote #4.
This is precisely correct. Arafat was the Israelis' whipping boy and scapegoat. He almost certainly had nothing to do with any of the suicide attacks of the most recent Intifada, and the Israelis probably thought the same thing, but they needed a name and a face on which to place the blame for what nameless and faceless Palestinian militants were doing of their own accord. Even when Arafat was holed up in his compound and surrounded by Israeli tanks, the US and Israel were blaming him for "not doing enough to stop Palestinian violence." It was perfectly ridiculous and asinine, but now the Israelis have lost their main excuse not to negotiate, so they'll just have to find another.[/QUOTE]The Israeli's claimed to have found some evidence for his support for the attacks when they invaded his compound. I think the whipping boy analogy still holds perfectly though. No Palestinian leader really could have been substantially more moderate than Arafat and still remained leader, as was noted by commmentators. And it is transparently evident that if the Israeli's can't won't support any conceivable Palestenian leader, that's the same as saying they won't support any conceivable Palestenian state.
Arafat was useful just because he had such a public image and had become such a reliable focus for negative western propaganda. I think a lot of governmental officials are going to realize very soon how much they miss Arafat.
2004-11-13 02:29 | User Profile
I vote #4. This stalemate will continue until Israel is either forced to give up the land or the world blinks and Israel is able to destroy the Palestinians. Bush has been talking about Palestinian statehood, to the dismay of Israel's biggest fans. Now that Arafat is dead, Bush has brought up statehood again. But, we all know that Bush isn't going to pressure Israel so the comments about statehood are worthless.
I think a smart Palestinian leader could force Israel, through world opinion, to give up the land.