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Thread ID: 15605 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2004-11-10
2004-11-10 17:01 | User Profile
what would we do as paleos?? There's been a lot of chatter on many different internet blogs (even innuendo in the mainstream press) that the Republican sweep of the White House, Senate and Congress represents White America's re-assertion as the controlling force of the United States of America. As I see it, as a racialist myself, this past election sort of drew a line in the sand between Whites and non-Whites and the different racial agendas of each.
We all know that the majority constituency of the Democrats are non-Whites, queers, feminists, abortionists and humanists: everything we as paleos despise. This crushing blow to the godless Democrats may free up some of the Republican supporters to make politically incorrect (but truthful) observations about race, especially the de-evolution of black people and the outright invasion of America by Hispanics and other Third Worlders. Whites in the Republican camp can also enforce their outright rejection and repulsion over gay 'marriage' by raising the rhetoric to new heights. I can forsee some sort of outright White Facist wing of the Republicans going mainstream and attracting many, many alienated White people. I'm just making observations here, not so much predictions.
Although the majority of Christian supporters of the Republican party are heretics (dispensationalists, Mormons, Pentecostals) those same heretics do support and practice values more consistent with traditional White Protestant or Catholic values that could do serious damage to Jewish controlled social programs and their Hollywood/Media apparatus. If we as paleos can help the deluded and confused Whites connect the dots between the secular godlessness of the Media/Hollywood with the Jews....could this be a WN's chance to open his mouth a little more freely in this current climate??
I'm still confused however. I hate the War in Iraq, Fox News, FreeRepublic, Government growth, War on "Terror", Neo Cons, The Federal Reserve, and many other things contrary to true Freedom but which the current Republican supporters still support and believe in. But if paleos and WN's are ever going to move up the ladder, should we be willing to temporarily ally with the GOP while the fire is hot and racial myths might soon start to be openly questioned??
Should we build our Paleo Trojan Horse and drive into the midst of the battle on the side of the Republicans???
Just looking for insight into this current phenomenon of a possible racial divide.
2004-11-10 19:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I'm still confused however. I hate the War in Iraq, Fox News, FreeRepublic, Government growth, War on "Terror", Neo Cons, The Federal Reserve, and many other things contrary to true Freedom but which the current Republican supporters still support and believe in. But if paleos and WN's are ever going to move up the ladder, should we be willing to temporarily ally with the GOP while the fire is hot and racial myths might soon start to be openly questioned??
Should we build our Paleo Trojan Horse and drive into the midst of the battle on the side of the Republicans???
Just looking for insight into this current phenomenon of a possible racial divide.[/QUOTE]This should help clear up some of the confusion.
[url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15607]Bush Revives Amnesty Proposal[/url].
Now briefly, I think there is an operative principle here, which perhaps might be good to instill in ourselves and others debating for and against working with the GOP. (Now that the Kerry supporters have sot of faded into the woodwork with his loss).
Borrow from an old communist strategm "only enter into alliances with other groups to destroy them". Specifically, the goal is always to, when with the group, split the group into one whose loyalties are completely with you, leaving it to break with the existing corrupt leaderership.
That presumes though you posititively know something for sure about your own identities, and have concrete organizational ties with trustworthy group representing same. Something paleo's themselves seem to lack somewhat as shown by our frequent fueds. If one lacks this though, insteading of controling the organization, the organization may come to control you.
2004-11-11 03:06 | User Profile
I still admit, i was cheering for the GOP on election day. I don't really subscribe to "worse is better", b/c we may wake up in 25 years and say CRAP! It really is worse, and that system we thought would crumble, has only teetered.
PHUCK!
I voted Peroutka, and won't vote Bush. But I did vote for an anti-immigrant GOP congressman (Kris Kobach, KS-3). Immigration is something we'll just have to do on the local level, with referendums. Congress won't pass any amnesty, b/c the GOP "lifetime employees" know it'd be curtains on their cushy jobs.
It's a ploy by Jorge to suck some more wetback ass. Ignore him.
2004-11-11 03:21 | User Profile
There is a lot of evidence that Kerry actually won, really. Yes, really. There are exit polls in many districts that were 75 % Democrat registered and voted 70 % for Bush. The Diebold machines that took the votes leave no paper evidence, and therefore the hijacking of them cannot be PROVEN. But it is very likely the John Kerry truly did win the election. Out of respect and Skull-and-Bones memberrship oath, Kerry did not challenge the results, even before over 250,000 provisional ballots and over 100,000 overseas ballots were not yet counted in Ohio. The Diebold machines are not to be overlooked. Exit polls have historically been accurate, and when a huge disparity occurs, usually cause a re-count, but because many districts employ the Diebold machines which are privately administered by Republican party contributors, there is nothing more to do legally. We, as Americans, have allowed this gross travesty to occur. [url]http://www.blackboxvoting.com[/url] [url]http://www.votescam.com[/url]
2004-11-11 16:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]There is a lot of evidence that Kerry actually won, really. Yes, really. There are exit polls in many districts that were 75 % Democrat registered and voted 70 % for Bush. The Diebold machines that took the votes leave no paper evidence, and therefore the hijacking of them cannot be PROVEN. But it is very likely the John Kerry truly did win the election. Out of respect and Skull-and-Bones memberrship oath, Kerry did not challenge the results, even before over 250,000 provisional ballots and over 100,000 overseas ballots were not yet counted in Ohio. The Diebold machines are not to be overlooked. Exit polls have historically been accurate, and when a huge disparity occurs, usually cause a re-count, but because many districts employ the Diebold machines which are privately administered by Republican party contributors, there is nothing more to do legally. We, as Americans, have allowed this gross travesty to occur. [url="http://www.blackboxvoting.com/"]http://www.blackboxvoting.com[/url] [url="http://www.votescam.com"]http://www.votescam.com[/url][/QUOTE] LOL
**** the Dems. Werent they the ones arguing about outdated machines and the need for advanced voting technologies? In a way, I kind of hope the GOP did steal the election circumventing these machines. It would be poetic.
2004-11-11 16:17 | User Profile
[I]Let me put it this way.... Is the fear in this woman's writings good for us paleos in the long run? What I'm getting at is should the inevitable Facism that's headed for the USA something that paleoconservatives would benefit from, since the apparent target (scapegoats; gays, godless, immigrants, liberals) of the Facists seem to be our so-called enemies? I sense some real changes are going to occur here in America soon and I'm just trying to figure out the better approach for survival.[/I]
[B]Fascism on the Rise in America [/B] Commentary by Amanda Osborne November 9, 2004
If one listened carefully on the cold and dreary autumn days of November 2nd and 3rd 2004, the death knell of democracy could be heard. Ironically enough, the death blow was struck by that most democratic of rights, the right to vote. Many of us exercised this right in a civil and democratic manner throughout the long day of November 2nd. As a result of that vote, we have, as a nation, voted away democracy and all it stood for.
The majority of our population voted for: lying as an acceptable political expediency; valuing oil over human life; nullifying the Constitutional separation of Church and State; an overextended military; empire building at the expense of other nations; torture; the abandonment of the Geneva Conventions which exist to protect soldiers; the destruction of the worldââ¬â¢s environment; increased riches for the richest in our land; cronyism; suppression of civil liberties; heavy taxes for the middle and lower classes; unemployment and lack of jobs; an ever increasing deficit that mortgages the futures of our children; a minimum wage that fails to cover the cost of living; inadequate health care; inadequate education; the catastrophic destruction of federally protected land; isolationism; and the contempt and anger (not to mention incredulity) of the rest of the world.
And we voted against: rational and carefully considered thought amongst our leadership.
A solid blow grievously wounded democracy in 2000, when the outcome of the presidential race was taken out of the hands of the voters and placed into the hands of a Supreme Court more interested in partisanship than the Constitution. This time, we have no excuses. We have done this to ourselves.
We donââ¬â¢t need Osama Bin Laden to bankrupt America, our administration is doing an excellent job of it themselves. And we have now voted to continue that trend into colossal debt. If the Democrats are the Big Spenders, the current brand of Republicans are the Bigger Spenders.
How many people know that the Patriot Act allows the government access to our medical records? To searches without probable cause? That no one has been convicted of terrorism in this country despite thousands of people being detained? That our court system has been compromised by an ideology that puts partisan thought and sometimes rigid fundamentalism ahead of the Constitution? That public accountability of the executive branch has been lost by executive order giving presidents the right to withhold their papers from the eyes of the public? That Saddam Hussein receives better health care than at least 45 million Americans? That any status the United States held in the world of science has been crippled by creeping fundamentalism that wonââ¬â¢t listen to what it doesnââ¬â¢t want to hear? That drugs are so highly priced due to powerful pharmaceutical companies and their close pecuniary relationship to the Republican party? It is that, and not any concern for safety, that renders drugs imported or re-imported from Canada illegal.
Fascism is on the ascendant in the USA, rising cloaked under the mantle of the Grand Old Party, the political party of Abraham Lincoln. He was a wartime president too, albeit a most reluctant one. The Republican Party has gone from the soaring oratory of the Emancipation Proclamation with its rousing call of freedom to the ominous words of the Patriot Act, traveling a tortured road toward suppression of freedoms weââ¬â¢d long held self-evident in this country. Is this what Democracy is? How have we allowed America to be reduced to this when it could be, and has been, so much more? The checks and balances this country has prided itself on have failed us. The scales have been unevenly tipped by too much power given to one group of people, something that world history has shown us time and again to be a dangerous thing.
Whatever happened to America? Where did we go? When did we change so irrevocably?
We have a war of aggression being conducted under the guise of a modern-day Crusade. Neither thing is the right thing to do. For all our vaunted sense of morality, surely neither thing can be considered morally responsible. And thousands upon thousands of people have died ââ¬â perhaps even over a hundred thousand. Worse still, there is no end in sight, meaning many more people will die. Is this a morally sound endeavor? Is this the right choice, the right thing to do? Is our country the kind of country that takes trumped up charges and specious argument and uses it as a springboard for attack on foreign soil? Thatââ¬â¢s what Hitlerââ¬â¢s Germany did to Poland in September of 1939 and thatââ¬â¢s what George W. Bushââ¬â¢s United States is doing to Iraq. We rewarded this by electing him president unequivocally this time around. Have we become something closer to Hitlerââ¬â¢s Germany than FDRââ¬â¢s United States?
Jerry Falwell appeared on CNN and spoke about the war in Iraq. He said in part, ââ¬ÅThe presidentââ¬â¢s doing the right thing. Heââ¬â¢s looking for [terrorists], heââ¬â¢s searching them out. Heââ¬â¢s killing them when he finds them. And thatââ¬â¢s the only cure for barbarians.ââ¬Â He also said with somewhat circular logic that ââ¬Åyouââ¬â¢ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And Iââ¬â¢m for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.ââ¬Â When reminded that the terrorists who brought down the twin towers did not come from Iraq, he said ââ¬ÅI donââ¬â¢t care where they came from.ââ¬Â Is this the definition of Christianity? Is it outmoded to view Christianity as something that shouldnââ¬â¢t be blinded by zealotry but instead something that opens our eyes to the humanity to be found in everyone the world over? And is there any reason why the USA should be exempt from international law? The United States is waging aggressive war against another country. Coincidentally, this was one of the indictable offenses the surviving upper echelon of National Socialism was charged with at the first Nuremberg trial. How is what they did any different from what we are doing now? Though certainly the lack of accountability of the upper echelon of the Bush administration appears safe enough, judging by the courts martial of low-level enlisted soldiers for ostensibly following orders at the Abu Ghraib prison.
ââ¬ÅWe're going to have to maybe use more than just conventional weapons on these people. You know, it's like trying to wipe out cockroaches with Raid. That's not strong enough. You know, you're not going to call the pest control guy and get rid of them.ââ¬Â Rush Limbaugh was quoted as saying this on his radio show, regarding the terrorist element in Iraq. Is this acceptable? Morally or in any other respect?
ââ¬Å[Rats] are destructive, a perfidious and subterranean element ââ¬Â¦Ã¢â¬Â This quote is a little older than the ones in the above paragraphs. It comes to us courtesy of a 1940 German propaganda film called Jud Süss. The rest of the sentence is ââ¬Åââ¬Â¦ so also is the Jews among mankind.ââ¬Â I hope weââ¬â¢d more or less all agree that this statement, at least, is morally reprehensible. But all three remarks share a perverse commonality. Barbarians. Cockroaches. Rats. By dehumanizing the enemy, we make it easier to kill him. Joseph Goebbels understood this and indoctrinated an entire generation of Germans into thinking that the Jewish race was ââ¬Åsubhumanââ¬Â and therefore they didnââ¬â¢t deserve to live out their lives like any ordinary human being. My fear is that in our shock and anger following 9/11, weââ¬â¢ve allowed ourselves to not just dehumanize others, but to dehumanize ourselves in the process. Is this what our forefathers spilled their blood for? Is this democracy?
There have been calls to unify America, to set aside the divisiveness that has so marked this country during the presidential campaign. But itââ¬â¢s not out of some misguided partisanship that I write these words. I do not call myself a Democrat or Republican. Party platforms and partisan ideology have never interested me. I consider myself an American, first and last. I only wish more people felt the same way.
We have failed the fathers of our country, the founders of democracy. The lights have gone out and weââ¬â¢re seeing our nationââ¬â¢s darkest hour. This isnââ¬â¢t something done to us, but something weââ¬â¢ve done to ourselves.
Congratulations America.
[I]Amanda Osborne is an artist and writer currently residing in the (mostly) sane state of New Hampshire, but Canada is looking better every day.[/I]
2004-11-11 20:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Let me put it this way.... Is the fear in this woman's writings good for us paleos in the long run? What I'm getting at is should the inevitable Facism that's headed for the USA something that paleoconservatives would benefit from, since the apparent target (scapegoats; gays, godless, immigrants, liberals) of the Facists seem to be our so-called enemies? I sense some real changes are going to occur here in America soon and I'm just trying to figure out the better approach for survival.
".......The majority of our population voted for: lying as an acceptable political expediency; valuing oil over human life; nullifying the Constitutional separation of Church and State; an overextended military; empire building at the expense of other nations; torture; the abandonment of the Geneva Conventions which exist to protect soldiers; the destruction of the worldââ¬â¢s environment; increased riches for the richest in our land; cronyism; suppression of civil liberties; heavy taxes for the middle and lower classes; unemployment and lack of jobs; an ever increasing deficit that mortgages the futures of our children; a minimum wage that fails to cover the cost of living; inadequate health care; inadequate education; the catastrophic destruction of federally protected land; isolationism; and the contempt and anger (not to mention incredulity) of the rest of the world. ...."
[/QUOTE]One thing I've learned is not to get try to decifer meaning from left-wing hysterics, which is what this article generally sounds like. Now the odd thing about left-wing hysterics is, as the Republicans and conservatism get taken over by the neo-cons, there is a lot of criticism of this country from the left that is going to sound like its ringing true. All the neocons have is never ending feel good platitudes. The only problem with the left is there solutions are no different - indeed a lot of the problems that are happening to this country is really just because the GOP is starting to coopt the methods of the left (re: the neocons).
Things, as a result, are going to go downhill soon. Be prepared for much rancor and indiscriminate blame on all sides.
Of course this goes with the general fruit of multiculturalism in our society as we adobt it. Its what Kevin MacDonald was talking about when he said we are in for a volatile future.
The key question I always ask myself when I read articles like this is - "how does the author stand in respect to multiculturalism?" Those will determine where he/she ultimately is headed. Do they think the answer is more multiculturalism/globalism or less? Almost all non-paleoconservative authors with a genuine clue have some prediliction toward multiculturalism. The only key is how much.
Its really a political debate which, like the general election, really doesn't have too much to do with us, especially in the long term, and which I think overall there isn't too much point at getting involved in. Its good to listen to it to see where they're going, but never think either side of the debate has anything good in mind for us.