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Thread ID: 15489 | Posts: 10 | Started: 2004-10-30
2004-10-30 13:03 | User Profile
Dear Ladies and Gents,
If you miss Victorian elegance and values and would like to live in a more conservative, civilized world where multiculturalism and egalitarianism are unthinkable, you may like to join our yahoo group called The New Victorians. There you will find a lively community of kindred spirits actively involved in teas and Victorian lifestyle, a nice collection of pictures and a wealth of links and information. If you find it interesting you are most welcome to join. The address of the group is:
[url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheNewVictorians"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheNewVictorians[/url]
I sincerely hope to see you there! With my best regards,
Kathy
2004-10-30 23:10 | User Profile
Victorianvalues2000,
Thanks for joining our Forum. Looks like a great idea. Is that the tsar and his family you a picture of on you page? I had been thinking about joining Yahoo.
[QUOTE]Welcome to the new Victorians! Please take the time to read this important introductory message.
Our community is different from other online groups of Victorian enthusiasts because we are not content with admiring the past. Our aim is to change in practice, to the best of our ability, contemporary world.
This is our dream:
Within the limits of what is possible and reasonable we would like to see a revival of Victorian fashion, buildings, design and etiquette. We would also like a world where: - dignified and modest behaviour is generally expected and valued, therefore improper body exposure is considered indecent; - every ethnicity proudly defends its own identity and culture, therefore forced immigration and integration don't occur and interracial unions are occasional; - vulgar and low-profile language are not encouraged; - vulgar and low-profile music and entertainment are not the common expression of culture, nor pop and sport stars regarded as vip; - technology is not pursued against human needs and convenience; - class systems and reasonable inequalities in wealth and status are accepted as part of human society. - femininity and chivalry are common values.
None of our aims is dictated by any claim of truth or superiority, but simply by our individual sentiment and preference.
Even though we do not support any specific political party, our views are evidently conservative. Regardless of any personal political choice, if you share our aims we are happy and honoured to welcome you to our group.
If you decide to join our group, we take for granted that you agree with our views stated above.
We thank you for your interest and hope to welcome you to our friendly and enthusiastic community!
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:cheers:
Some Links I like.
Victoriana.com 19th Century Web Sites [url]http://www.victoriana.com/library/website.html[/url]
The Victorian Websites [url]http://lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/%7Ematsuoka/Victorian.html[/url]
2005-03-09 03:11 | User Profile
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[QUOTE]Against ethnical and cultural blending. Why to save civilization we need to oppose global economy.
By Kathy Jones
We are not abasing ourselves to the level of some populist enchanter. We are not making frivolous distinctions between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants. We are not dividing them in "good" and "bad" ones. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are here discussing something much more serious than that: we want to save the ethnical and cultural diversity of all mankind. I would hate to see Japan become a multicultural society as much as I hate to see Britain or America invaded by non-white ethnicities. The global blending and destruction which is happening in today's world, regardless of the art, culture and traditions of all the great civilizations and ultimately in complete spite of the real happiness of the human being, is OUTRAGEOUS, and only a society which has lost any values and purposes, like the contemporary secular one in which we are to live, could ever make it happen. Any person who refuses to face this reality and dismisses the awareness thereof as "racism" is either ignorant, stupid or ill- willing, and should not be listened to.
But on the other hand, how could McDonald's sell his hamburgers in Indonesia, if Indonesian people preferred their traditional food? How could Benetton sell his clothes in China, if Chinese people stuck to their traditional garments? How could the multinational companies sell, recruit and move staff in all corners of the globe, if people loved their own countries, ethnicity and traditions? No wonder that the global magnates push for multiculturalism! To them any sense of patriotism, traditional beauty, belonging to a race and a community are nothing but annoying obstacles on the way to their dream: a world where everyone in every corner of the globe ~thinks, works and consumes~ in the same way! A world where every town eats at McDonald's, shops at Nike, borrows the same films at Blockbuster and listens to the same pop rubbish! What this, if not the dream of any multinational company? They push for a world with no citizens, but consumers! Whatever is in their way must be removed. Apparently, my dear Ladies and Gents, if we want to save ethnical- cultural diversity and the great civilizations of the world we have either to weaken the multinational companies or, if it may ever be possible, have them change their strategies. In any case, no patronage to the people who are turning civilized world into a global supermarket. No patronage at all. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]TheNewVictorians ÷ Join and help us bring civilization back
We are a group of discerning Ladies and Gentlemen tired of shoe-box architecture, lunar design, rugged fashion, pop culture, "political correctness", radical feminism, promiscuity, multiculturalism, communism, and all the unfortunate madness which during the last century has been replacing traditional aesthetics and values all over the world.
~ We promote a revival of Victorian/traditional style in architecture and design, and the gradual demolition of contemporary eye-sore buildings.
~ We want fashion to return to Victorian aesthetics and standards of elegance, femininity, dignity and modesty.
~ We consider classical music and dances to be "the" music.
~ We would like to see less cars, television, airplanes and industrial food, and technology to be pursued without becoming "de-humanizing".
~ We value a traditional kind of family as a stable union of a man and a woman.
~ We oppose leftist politics and "politically correct" madness.
~ We encourage every ethnicity to proudly value its own identity and culture, and to stop the racial and cultural blending which is destroying everyone's beauty and traditions.
We invite writers, architects, designers, artists, journalists, editors, politicians, teachers, actors, craftsmen, entrepreneurs, families and all like-minded people to join and help us build a more traditional, beautiful world where computers and advanced medicine live together with Victorian aesthetics and values, for an even more magnificent new Gilded Age.[/QUOTE]
2005-03-12 22:08 | User Profile
I like this a lot. One or two elements aren't totally my thing - I'd hate to live in a world that didn't include heavy metal - but most of this resonates with me. And even if it didn't I'd like it a lot because I heartily endorse the underlying premise, which is, each of us has the right to reject any aspect of modern culture that doesn't suit our fancy. If these folks reject heavy metal I say more power to them! I'm glad they have the guts to be their true selves. :thumbsup:
2005-03-24 02:10 | User Profile
The Victorians had many admirable qualities, but some of their ideas had a negative effect on the development of European culture. The partucular type of "chivalry" practiced by the Victorians encouraged the idea that women were morally superior to men. This was the fundamental error that later eventually led us into the disaster that is feminism. This bad idea not only caused feminsim, but chased men out of the churches and encouraged the growth of Freemasonry.
I also don't think much of imperialism. While Imperialism was not limited to the Victorian era, it assumed near cultic status in places like England at the time. I have no desire to rule over the duskier races, God bless em', but I prefer having other fish to fry.
2005-03-24 21:46 | User Profile
CornCod,
I am not sure I can agree with that. The notion of the faithful Penelope goes back long before the age of Victoria.
[QUOTE]The partucular type of "chivalry" practiced by the Victorians encouraged the idea that women were morally superior to men. This was the fundamental error that later eventually led us into the disaster that is feminism. This bad idea not only caused feminsim, but chased men out of the churches and encouraged the growth of Freemasonry.[/QUOTE]
I think Rudyard Kipling did a good job of warning of the dangers of Imperialism in the "White Man's burden"
[QUOTE]... Take up the White Man's burden, And reap his old reward-- The blame of those ye better The hate of those ye guard-- The cry of hosts ye humour ...
Comes now, to search your manhood Through all the thankless years, Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers. ...[/QUOTE]
2005-03-24 22:32 | User Profile
I hope we get some new people on board. We need culture change. On another thread you guys were worrying about the NS movement "damaging" our Cause. I daresay there isn't much there to damage in the first place, and all infighting is really fighting over tiny, tiny stakes.
I found what our big problem is; most of our people are too lazy. I know a few exceptions. I knew a family in New Hampshire that since moved to West Virginia that home schooled their 5 children, and these kids are well read, their musical talents are developed, the girls are equestrians, and they know homesteading skills. I know someone else who is homeschooling his son and raising a large garden.
But such people are too few and far between. For every one like the above two, I know a dozen aimless skinheads.
We need normal people who are energetic and fanatical about culture change among our own people. I hope this Victorian thing attracts such people. There have to be at least a few more such folks out there.
By the way, I'll probably keep my rhetoric moderate, and focus on things like doing gardening to beat the System's food prices, agrarianism, high culture, and raising honorable White children. Actually, I was into all this stuff before I went into WN. I didn't come into it from a skinhead background, but rather from a sort of "neo-Victorian" background.
Now I find myself returning to these roots. Heck, I'd love it if I could find a piano or cello player in my area, and I could break out my violin and we could play Bach and Vivaldi and Telemann. Between 1993 and 1999, my biggest ambition in life was to be a violinist.
Rob
2005-03-24 22:40 | User Profile
Kievsky,
Great Post. Well you could join this Yahoo group. [QUOTE]We need normal people who are energetic and fanatical about culture change among our own people. I hope this Victorian thing attracts such people. There have to be at least a few more such folks out there.
By the way, I'll probably keep my rhetoric moderate, and focus on things like doing gardening to beat the System's food prices, agrarianism, high culture, and raising honorable White children. Actually, I was into all this stuff before I went into WN. I didn't come into it from a skinhead background, but rather from a sort of "neo-Victorian" background.[/QUOTE]
2005-03-25 14:44 | User Profile
I like it.
Incidentally, this sounds a lot like the "Young Fogeys" in England 1980s-1990s: lots of tweed suits, right-wing reactionary views, pipe-smoking, Scotch-drinking, brogues, High Church affiliations, etc.
Good luck! :thumbsup:
2005-03-28 05:57 | User Profile
Stuka
Sounds like a fun group. But I think I would forego the pipe-smoking.
[QUOTE]I like it.Incidentally, this sounds a lot like the "Young Fogeys" in England 1980s-1990s: lots of tweed suits, right-wing reactionary views, pipe-smoking, Scotch-drinking, brogues, High Church affiliations, etc. Good luck![/QUOTE]