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Thread ID: 15330 | Posts: 8 | Started: 2004-10-16
2004-10-16 15:47 | User Profile
The biggest question in MY mind is whether these televangelists actually believe that this un-Christian Juden-worshipping idolatry is righteous behavior, or whether they have been simply bought and purchased with fame and mammon, pure and simple...
Tex, you live closer to these pro-Israel charlatans: do you think that they (I mean top-level operators, not their followers) are being sincere in their foolishness, or are they cynical deceivers?
[url]http://www.martinlindstedt.org/jf100604.html[/url]
[COLOR=DarkRed] [SIZE=4]Jim Floyd: John Hagee - Minister of Murder[/SIZE]
by Jim Floyd .
. . . . . It would seem inconceivable that fat face Hagee would pick this past week to have a fund raiser for an all Jew orphanage, but he did.
. . . . . While the bastard state of Israel carried-out their latest Blitzkrieg with two hundred tanks surrounding the death camp of Jabalya, Hagee yoked himself and his deluded, cultic, followers to Rabbi Grossman of Migdal Ohr and together they went about fleecing the flock; raising money for a totally racist enterprise, a Jew only orphanage.
. . . . . Migdal Ohr is Hebrew for 'Tower of Light.' A light to shine on Jew children only; for Palestinian babies they offer no light. The only light needed is just enough for their snipers to focus their scopes for a head shot. Whether, in a classroom or on a rooftop, these murdering friends of Hagee, were doing what they do best; blowing the brains out of innocent Palestinian children.
. . . . . Can you imagine the outcry if I were slaughtering Negro children in Birmingham, and at the same moment, raising money for an all White orphanage in my all White community.
. . . . . It got even more ludicrous as Hog Jaw Hagee attributed "righteousness" to this Christ-hating rebe. According to John Hagee, and the other guest Rabbi, Grossman is a member of a "righteous group that holds the universe together until the coming of the messiah."
. . . . . When this Kabbalistic freak, dressed in the garb of medieval Polish royalty, said that he was, ". . . . awaiting the coming of the messiah," John Hagee said, "Amen."
. . . . . Have you lost your mind, Hagee? You can not say 'amen' to the coming of this man's messiah. His coming messiah is a warrior king that will enforce the Noachide laws and decapitate you and your dumb followers for the idolatrous worship of Jesus Christ, and place all wealth and power in the hands of Jews to rule forever over the soulless Goyim.
. . . . . Of course, I called. No, this time, I did not cuss, as is my wont. I simply requested prayer for the families of murdered Palestinian children, and asked that they pray for forgiveness for themselves and their preacher's vile participation in these war crimes against humanity.
. . . . . But I do call and cuss. I call their donation line or prayer line and use the most contemptible, depraved, back-alley, base expletives known to human kind. Yes, they threaten me with a 'restraining order' and I welcome it. What a prize! Please, Sweet Jesus, give me a restraining order, issued by a Texas court, which will prohibit me from contact with these hijackers of Christendom. I'll frame it. I'll hang it on the wall. I'll put it on a bumper sticker. And I'll post it to the world.
I am a Hagee follower . . . .
. . . . . Actually, I am the closest follower that John Hagee has ever had. I was following when he and House majority leader, Tom Delay, (R. Tex.) had their yearly 'love-Israel-fest' where they openly declared that, "We must help Israel crush the Palestinians."
. . . . . I have listened to every sermon he has preached against fat and those which advocated self-discipline, self-control.
. . . . . I've even followed-up on Hagee's sex history;
[COLOR=Purple]The Liberty Flame reported in May 1994 that during the time when Hagee was serving the Charismatic congregation at Trinity Church (1976) in San Antonio, he divorced his wife, Martha, resigned and married a young woman in the congregation, Diana Castro. In a letter to the church, Hagee admitted immorality, which later became part of the court records in the custody battle. Martha later also remarried and started another family. Not surprisingly, there is a hiatus from 1976 to 1987 left out of Hagee's web site biography.[/COLOR]
. . . . . The seductive Diana was on this week's program; there she sat, not so sexy but completely submissive, as she nodded her chubby head at every word the rabbi uttered.
. . . . . Don't you realize, you invincibly stupid people, all 17,000 of you members of his so-called church, that he spoke in tongues, laid hands on you for healing, promised you Mexicans and blacks prosperity, taught your children to hate Palestinians and all the while he was screwing Diana?
. . . . . Evil, yes! But not as unforgivable as what he is doing now. His mission, simply stated, is to steal, kill and destroy.
. . . . . So, what we have here is a Radical, Texas, Cleric and his band of militant, stupefied, followers promoting despicable racism, and the daily killing of God's innocent children.
. . . . . Look at the attached pictures, people, do you see "righteousness?"
James Floyd
. . . . .. . . . . [COLOR=Navy] Exclusive: Don't throw stones! June 1, 2004 1:35 PM EST By Novi Pazar
IDF executes two school children Tal Sultan, Gaza
As hard as it is to believe -- IDF soldiers supposedly entered a classroom in the Rafah refugee camp and called out the names of Mahmoud Hammad and Madje Harare. The IDF told them they were under arrest for throwing stones during the recent Gaza offensive.
The account follows that children were given blindfolds and told to stand in the middle of the classroom. The soldiers told the 40 other students " This is what you will get if you throw stones "
It is futher said the IDF shot them in cold blood !!
Both boys are executed.
. . . . .
The two boys laid silently on the floor dying for ten minutes. The teacher thought they were going to shoot more kids -- she grabbed for their guns and was beaten with their rifle butts.
Third student fights for his life
Palestinian doctors try to save the critically wounded Mohammed Quari, 8, at Najar hospital in the Rafah refugee camp. Mohammed was hit when the bullet passed through one of the other boys.
This account of the incident came from Palestinian medical sources.[/COLOR][/COLOR]
2004-10-16 16:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]The biggest question in MY mind is whether these televangelists actually believe that this un-Christian Juden-worshipping idolatry is righteous behavior, or whether they have been simply bought and purchased with fame and mammon, pure and simple...
Tex, you live closer to these pro-Israel charlatans: do you think that they (I mean top-level operators, not their followers) are being sincere in their foolishness, or are they cynical deceivers?
Petr,
Since you're not here in America, perhaps you haven't had the joy of coming into contact with one of these radical, fundamentalist, pre-millennial dispensationalists. I have and let me tell you, they can be as thick-headed and foaming at the mouth radical as the most self-righteous Pharisee in Christ's day. There's literally no talking to them as for some reason, they are cult-like in their rabid pro-Isreal / "Jews are God's chosen" beliefs.
That's why I can only assume that men like Hagee sincerely believe the false doctrine they thunderously preach from the pulpit each Sunday. Of course it only helps seal it in when their doctrines result in the riches and laurels of jewish groups and Israeli partisans.
2004-10-16 21:07 | User Profile
Petr:
Off the subject, but one of the nicest churches I've ever been in was a Lutheran church in Helsinki that was made from a huge rock outcropping in the center of the city.
There's a big fireplace in it. I saw a lovely evening performance there. This must have been nearly 20 years ago.
Have you ever seen this church?
Walter
2004-10-16 21:36 | User Profile
[COLOR=Blue] - "Have you ever seen this church?"[/COLOR]
Could be. Was it besides a rubble-stone covered square that had Russian Czar Alexander II's statue in it?
Petr
2004-10-17 04:56 | User Profile
I see more of Hagee's son when I stumble upon the Trinity Broadcasting Channel. He is, perhaps, more offensive and stupid than his father.
This Israel/Jewish ass-kissing is pervasive in mainstream Evangelicalism. Do you ever listen to syndicated Christian talkshow host Janet Parshall? The bumper music on her show is Hebrew/Israeli dance songs.
2004-10-17 08:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Blue] - "Have you ever seen this church?"[/COLOR]
Could be. Was it besides a rubble-stone covered square that had Russian Czar Alexander II's statue in it?
Petr[/QUOTE] No, it was built in modern times. It was a "modern" sort of church, but it was one of those that I found very appealing.
There was apparently a huge outcropping of rock that covered most of a city block in Helsinki, and the architect basically hacked the church from that rock, building I think one of the walls from the leftovers. There's an open fireplace in the center. I saw a concert there of American boys from a Presbyterian school. Very white, in fact very Scottish. It was a bell choir, and one of the boys did just a spine tingling rendition of "Shall We Gather At The River?."
Oh, hey, look at this. I managed to google up a [URL=http://www.zanzig.com/travel/helsinki-photos/dcp1312.htm]picture.[/URL]
That's not exactly how I remember it, but it was long ago.
Here are some additional links:
[url]http://home.snu.edu/~bballweg.fs/rockchurch.htm[/url] [url]http://www.thesoutherncross.co.za/rensburg/Tempeliaukio.htm[/url] [url]http://www.planetware.ca/photos/SF/HLRKCH3.HTM[/url]
Here's a nice series of photos: [url]http://www.texasgypsy.com/Scan/3Church/[/url]
Walter
2004-10-17 09:54 | User Profile
Nope, I don't think I've been in that church (besides, I don't even live in Helsinki).
Petr
2004-10-25 15:02 | User Profile
[B] He is, perhaps, more offensive and stupid than his father. [/B]
With all due respect, I do not believe that to be possible. Whenever I see The Fat Bastard (Hagee), I want to reach for my gun.