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Thread ID: 15323 | Posts: 23 | Started: 2004-10-15
2004-10-15 04:28 | User Profile
(Note - thread contined from [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15305[/url])
[QUOTE=il ragno]The further the New OD bandwagon trundles along, the more indistinguishable from Free Republic it becomes. So we've come down to simplistic, let's-role maxims like 'Democrat bad, Republican good' after all these years. Worse: after thousands of (obviously wasted) pages of bandwidth in Neo-Con Watch underlining their noxious influence, the designation [I]neoconservative [/I], when preceded by [I]Christian[/I], is apparently now sacrosanct. No wonder Anti-Yuppie washed his hands of you, and Gabrielle moved in and made herself at home.
So when does the OD fundraiser for Israel kick off?[/QUOTE]
Good to see you joining in IR, but this is so far over the top I don't really know what to say in return.
One might be able to accuse OD at large of a number of things, but I am almost 100% certain that being pro-Israel enough to hold fundraisers is not one of them.
2004-10-15 07:24 | User Profile
You're right. I rose to the bait, and have only myself to blame for it.
This is a risk I run every time I get within 1000 yards of Okie. Nobody pushes my buttons quite like Fast Freddie. He is not only a habitual liar but one who uses his moderator privileges here like a personal mute button when called to account for his lies.
Allow me to remind you, TD, that after making hay with that Triskelion debacle a few months back, he panic-banned me from OD before I could point out that he was also using two identities here; then laughed it off, pretending it was no skin off his nose if everyone knew he was also "Frederick William I". It's all well and good to claim you never ever wanted me gone, but you've never once owned up to WHY I left, or reprimanded Okie for banning senior members for the unforgivable crime of exposing his hypocrisy to the rank-and-file, so you'll pardon me if I look at the two of you as [I]good cop, bad cop[/I].
I never intended to 'return' outside of the odd walk-on or cameo appearance, mostly to counter the Gabby/Petr line, but I was hoping not to get drawn into a resumption of hostilities with this ignomineous liar and clown. I see now that even [I]this[/I] modest goal is a fool's errand. No matter his intrinsic dishonesty and low character - the [I]cheap shot[/I] is the only kind he's comfortable taking - Okie will giggle and hide behind his protected status here like it was his mother's skirts. [I]You [/I] can put on a public display of remorse for the departed regulars if you choose to, but until you take a long, critical look at your trusted lieutenants, it's a sham. And the board reflects it. It seems like half the threads here are religious babble initiated by Petr, and the other half rah-rah neocon agitprop courtesy of Gabby. If Anti-Yuppie's walking away in disgust doesn't prompt you to wonder if [I]you [/I] aren't the one f'ing up, what will? Answer: nothing. Flatline.
You think the FR comparisons are hyperbole? You ought to take an unbiased look at your own board. When even [I]Oliver Cromwell [/I] starts bemoaning the tapioca nature of what passes for 'dissent' around here - the 'merely devotional', he called it - it's time to either rethink things, or just buy yourself a wheelchair and sign your posts TexRob.
2004-10-15 07:45 | User Profile
[COLOR=DarkRed] - "... this ignomineous liar and clown ..."[/COLOR]
[COLOR=DarkRed] - "No matter his intrinsic dishonesty and low character ..."[/COLOR]
After being called by Wintermute as a "dishonest" and "liar" every freaking time I came up with arguments that he couldn't answer, I'm a bit skeptical about these kind of charges.
Can you give us any examples of actual lies perpetrated by Okie?
Petr
2004-10-15 14:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]You're right. I rose to the bait, and have only myself to blame for it. This is a risk I run every time I get within 1000 yards of Okie. Nobody pushes my buttons quite like Fast Freddie. He is not only a habitual liar but one who uses his moderator privileges here like a personal mute button when called to account for his lies.
Obviously, we differ on our assessment of Okie. One thing I would say is that none of us are perfect and do make mistakes. I know I've made more than most and all of the administration here is done by folks in their free time. We aint gettin' paid like Jim Rob so I have a hard time wondering why some hold us to such an exacting standard. With regards to the guys I have helping me to moderate this board, they may not do everything perfect and certainly there have been actions they have took on rare occasion that I may not have fully agreed with, but these are guys that have stood by me and this site consistently and faithfully for years now. I trust them and their judgement as much as my own, sometimes even more so.
This board's software does have an ignore feature. Maybe that's the best solution here. I would like to bury the past episodes and get past it. You may not and that's fine. In the past few months I've come to see things here in a totally new light and much of what went on prior to that I just don't care about anymore. I guess I've reassessed my priorities a bit. This is just a freakin' bulletin board, after all. Don't get me wrong, I think there is value in publicly discussing the things we do, but let's not get too worked up over the overall importance of it in the grand scheme of life.
Allow me to remind you, TD, that after making hay with that Triskelion debacle a few months back, he panic-banned me from OD before I could point out that he was also using two identities here; then laughed it off, pretending it was no skin off his nose if everyone knew he was also "Frederick William I". It's all well and good to claim you never ever wanted me gone, but you've never once owned up to WHY I left, or reprimanded Okie for banning senior members for the unforgivable crime of exposing his hypocrisy to the rank-and-file, so you'll pardon me if I look at the two of you as [I]good cop, bad cop[/I].
I'm sorry you feel the way you do, IR. It's unfortunate things worked out like they did, but we can either let it continue to dictate our actions or we can forget about it and move on. I say do the latter. No amount of typing is going to change anyone's mind about any of that so what's the point? I don't see any. Like I said, if you have a problem with Okie then put him on ignore.
No matter his intrinsic dishonesty and low character - the [I]cheap shot[/I] is the only kind he's comfortable taking - Okie will giggle and hide behind his protected status here like it was his mother's skirts.
Put him on ignore already.
And the board reflects it. It seems like half the threads here are religious babble initiated by Petr, and the other half rah-rah neocon agitprop courtesy of Gabby. If Anti-Yuppie's walking away in disgust doesn't prompt you to wonder if [I]you [/I] aren't the one f'ing up, what will? Answer: nothing. Flatline.
I don't pretend to know what motivated AY to do what he did. I think a good bit of it was the troll that seems to be cyber-stalking him, but he never even tried to talk to me about anything that happened and give me the chance to explain myself. Instead like Fade, I think he started listening to and getting his ear bent by the same folks and as with Fade and his board, it eventually led to nothing but bad things.
Gabby is obviously a GOP shill but I think relatively harmless. If anything, the material she posts offers a target for us all to take shots at. Petr however, I hold in the highest regard.
You seem to really resent me for my beliefs/faith and how that may be expressed on the board, but with the recent events over at the Phora surely you can understand why I believe the standard I have set here is so necessary for the successful operation of a discussion board, especially one that discusses the subject matter that we do. It's beyond necessary and critically vital in my opinion. Outside of that, my beliefs are my own and my highest goal is to make them yours as well. I won't apologize for that or try to be something else. I couldn't do it.
You think the FR comparisons are hyperbole? You ought to take an unbiased look at your own board. When even [I]Oliver Cromwell [/I] starts bemoaning the tapioca nature of what passes for 'dissent' around here - the 'merely devotional', he called it - it's time to either rethink things, or just buy yourself a wheelchair and sign your posts TexRob.[/QUOTE]
I can't control anyone but myself, so I don't really worry how things shake out here. It is what it is and I have peace with that. I hope that you can find peace in it, too.
2004-10-15 16:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]You're right. I rose to the bait, and have only myself to blame for it.
This is a risk I run every time I get within 1000 yards of Okie. Nobody pushes my buttons quite like Fast Freddie. He is not only a habitual liar
You're starting to sound like Bjarni
but one who uses his moderator privileges here like a personal mute button when called to account for his lies.
You are really obsessed with this one incident aren't you? The only time, I ever even suspended for 2 days (not banned).
Allow me to remind you, TD, that after making hay with that Triskelion debacle a few months back,
Broken record.
he panic-banned me from OD before I could point out that he was also using two identities here;
Well there were a number of reasons I suspended you at the time, the main reason being that Tex was gone for the weekend, I was busy, and I had better things to do than to deal with your undisguised, naked, and vitriolic rage at this board, with which you openly stated you were going to use to disrupt the board, out of spite for the other arguments we were having.
Your technique of course was going to be imputing exotic significance to my second identity, when actually you of course were a much bigger user of multiple identities than I was. You made up some story about Zut Alors being your only other identity, and that openly used, when actually I recall in the past you had admitted to using several identities yourself, such as but not limited to Fliegende Hollander as I recall. I due to the nature of this wanted to check with Tex before I went public with this, due to accusations issues of private IP's being involved etc.
In any event your only purpose here, as it appears to be in life, is to pursue your little demonic crusades, personal vendetta's, and hatreds against anyone you catches your attention at the specific time, be it O'Reilly, some poster at Phora, (Miss Ogyny etc) or anyone else. I guess like the typical carcicature of a New Yorker/Mafiosi type, which you fit perfectly.
The fact that the Phoran's would have picked you as the rallying point to leave this board says pretty well about the growing psychosis eating at their collective psyche. Its little wonder that the Phora broke up too, after its supposedly great beginnings. Moderators everywhere like Fade the Butcher who always bemoan the inevitable decline of boards now recognize people like you as the primary culprit, who simply wish to use the internet as a catharthic oiga board for their inner demons, oblivious to anything else.
Much more than the reputed actions of a few provocatuers possibly of ADL origin, it is the naked and limitless egotism of their useful idiots like yourself I think that basically explain why the paleo's and others who use the internet have been able to do so little to dispute the ascendency of neoconservatism. A dedicated and obsessed inner disruptor can do as much damage as a thousand of Abe Foxman's paid agents, which is something the paid provocetuers themselves acknowledge. I don't know how long Tex will let you stay here, but I'm sure it will be a time of waste and decline for this board, ended only when you identify a group big enough who share your inner rages to disrupt this board and split off again.
2004-10-15 23:06 | User Profile
Moderators everywhere like Fade the Butcher who always bemoan the inevitable decline of boards now recognize people like you as the primary culprit, who simply wish to use the internet as a catharthic oiga board for their inner demons, oblivious to anything else.
Hmm. Perhaps I should clarify myself. There seems to a little confusion here. I have never had any problem with il ragno. In fact, we see eye to eye on most issues. The problem that we had over at The Phora was that too many people were using our website to fight World War 2 over again everyday. It was unreasonable people like Dr. Brandt and friedrich braun and the disruption they were causing who were the problem. They were turning The Phora into something it was not, the Fatherland. They have since relocated themselves over to [url=http://www.nordish.net/forum]The Nordish Portal[/url]. And sure enough, it is gradually being turned into The Nazi Portal.
As for AntiYuppie, he told me that he was taking some time off from the internet because Raina had sent emails to his coworkers. He said he was planning on returning but I haven't heard from him since. There is nothing that I myself could have done about that. I banned Raina and deleted all her accounts when she reregistered. He sent me several PMs about having his account deleted over here at OD. It was because Raina had started posting here again as Octopod. That really pissed him off. It was the final straw.
2004-10-15 23:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]Hmm. Perhaps I should clarify myself. There seems to a little confusion here. I have never had any problem with il ragno. In fact, we see eye to eye on most issues. The problem that we had over at The Phora was that too many people were using our website to fight World War 2 over again everyday. It was unreasonable people like Dr. Brandt and friedrich braun and the disruption they were causing who were the problem. They were turning The Phora into something it was not, the Fatherland. They have since relocated themselves over to [url=http://www.nordish.net/forum]The Nordish Portal[/url]. And sure enough, it is gradually being turned into The Nazi Portal. Everybody has their own little WWII in their past to fight over, and I don't entirely begrudge that on the internet. That's what free speech is for. Its just when they begin starting and waging these wars to the exclusion of everything else, including the present very real wars we are waging, that I get irritated.
I see a certain generic personality type there that proliferates on the internet, and have my own particular list of chief offenders. We all I think recognize the type, just as the interpretation and naming of the list is complicated, subjective, and different for everybody. I never claimed otherwise for you Fade. Except for this continued irritation growing from the Trisk affair, I probably would have had few bones to pick with IR, and would not have undertstood those who were irritated with them, just as without getting deeply into the WWII affair I cannot personally understand the irritation you have with Friedrich Braun, who (almost ;) ) always has struck me as a very cordial and reasonable poster, even if our opinions occasionally differ.
As for AntiYuppie, he told me that he was taking some time off from the internet because Raina had sent emails to his coworkers. He said he was planning on returning but I haven't heard from him since. There is nothing that I myself could have done about that. I banned Raina and deleted all her accounts when she reregistered. He sent me several PMs about having his account deleted over here at OD. It was because Raina had started posting here again as Octopod. That really pissed him off. It was the final straw.[/QUOTE]AY made a decision a while back which made it much easier for people to obtain personal information on him. It was one I personally advised him against. One reason is its a decision, once done, that is very difficult to undo. Its much easier to avoid doing this than to keep watch over clever trolls like Raina who keep coming back under multiple identities. I personally think Tex did a very good job keeping up with Raina, but when you become personally and possibly severely affected by the outcome, it can be very difficult to keep your objectivity.
I fear AY is gone for good, at least in his internet usefulness. They're going to be tracking him for quite a while I think, so if it's a problem now, it probably still will be, unless he finds a way to handle life as a public figure who essentialy posts on the internet under his real name. And AntiYuppies posting style is very unique, so its not like he can sneak back like Raina does.
We'll all miss him.
2004-10-16 09:15 | User Profile
AntiYuppie- R.I.P.
2004-10-16 20:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]AntiYuppie- R.I.P.[/QUOTE]I might add, although its only speculation, that a desire to reduce one's personal profile in cyberspace might also account for AY's seemingly puzzling decision to nuke all his posts here, which go against all his previous expressions of appeeciation for this board. We'd like to think of the internet as being a fundamentally positive venue, allowing one's friends access to all our resources. It in fact is a neutral resource, which allows access to enemies as easy as friends, provided ones enemies have a way to utilize it to your harm.
OD was by far the largest repository of AY's work. If there is an organized effort against him, which the efforts of Raina certainly seem to be indicative of, his archived works on OD certainly could be one of the tools used against him.Something that has crossed my mind along these lines would be the possibility of establishing a private/members only version of OD, which might be useful for certain purposes such as this. Just a thought, although I doubt we have anywhere near the resources or interest right now.
It's tough to admit sometimes that the activities of ones enemies are affecting ones activities in cyberspace. But I'd have to say if I was the recipient of anything remotely resembling the personal harassement AY has been rumored to receive, they emphatically would, far more than AY has let it throughout most of his stay. AY is a very brave and resolute, (some would even say stubborn) individual. For us it made him a subject of admiration, just as for other it seems to have made him a special target of harassement.
I think the example of AY should serve both as a lesson to us, in more than one way. It is one of personal admiration, but I think we must also consider it a warning sign, which we must try to interpret and deal with. :ph34r:
2004-10-16 20:41 | User Profile
Why is Raina after AntiYuppie? What is behind her/his/ their obcession to get private info on AY to write his coworkers? This is just strange. Too bad AY can't get some type of CyberDetective to find out who is behind these attacks on him and why.
2004-10-16 21:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Why is Raina after AntiYuppie? What is behind her/his/ their obcession to get private info on AY to write his coworkers? This is just strange. Too bad AY can't get some type of CyberDetective to find out who is behind these attacks on him and why.[/QUOTE]Phoran's theory is that she is an ADL operative, and in truth, the amount of knowlege she has accumulated and her level of sophistication does bespeak some sort of organized effort. Especially since threats to AY are a long time pattern which seem to have come from other sources. In other words, this is certainly no lone-wolf internet stalker.
I don't know if the "Raina" team is somehow linked with the "Veronica/Penacite/Daisy11" team at FR and LF, but it actually doesn't seem unlikely. The Skunk was similarly threatened by them at LF.
2004-10-16 23:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Phoran's theory is that she is an ADL operative, and in truth, the amount of knowlege she has accumulated and her level of sophistication does bespeak some sort of organized effort. Especially since threats to AY are a long time pattern which seem to have come from other sources. In other words, this is certainly no lone-wolf internet stalker.
I don't know if the "Raina" team is somehow linked with the "Veronica/Penacite/Daisy11" team at FR and LF, but it actually doesn't seem unlikely. The Skunk was similarly threatened by them at LF.[/QUOTE]
But why target AY? Why not TD or WY, or you, and some others who are major posters here? I did not follow all of Raina's posts but I do remember Octopod, whom I thought was a male, probaly a teenager, 18-20. Is ADL code for Anti-Defamation League and why would they be here? Why not go to Stormfront where there are bigger fish to fry?
2004-10-16 23:53 | User Profile
S Kemper,
The overall quality of the posts on this board about the A.D.L., Israel and the neocons are far superior and much better researched than the typical fair found on Stormfront. It is intelligent discussion they fear.
2004-10-16 23:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Can you give us any examples of actual lies perpetrated by Okie?
Petr[/QUOTE]
Well, here's the most recent.
[QUOTE]I might add, although its only speculation, that a desire to reduce one's personal profile in cyberspace might also account for AY's seemingly puzzling decision to nuke all his posts here, which go against all his previous expressions of appeeciation for this board[/QUOTE]
He knows [I]full well [/I] that AY asked to have all of his posts pulled as an expression of disgust at the direction Tex, Okie and Walter have imposed upon this board; and that this was weeks before the most egregious of the Raina episodes. This is an old, old Okie trick - spitballing scenarios he knows to be false in order to obscure the real issue. (If he's called on it, he can always offer a shrug and an unconvincing 'hey, I didn't know that'.)
I can't speak for AY beyond what he's publicly stated, and what he's privately indicated to me. But it's hardly a breach of confidentiality to divulge that he feels betrayed by the Council of Three, as do [B]all [/B] of the OD exiles. That most of the other rightist/racialist boards out there are just as disappointing or worse is likely the reason for his extended hiatus from cyberspace...but that hardly lets [B]this [/B] place off the hook.
The one crippling negative to AY withdrawing his contributions from OD - besides the uniform high quality of them, of course - is that, had they remained in place, they would offer damning testimony to how far OD has fallen in the months since the 'housecleaning' here. I have to believe AY's low gag-threshold precluded his allowing them to remain in place.
2004-10-17 04:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]He knows [I]full well [/I] that AY asked to have all of his posts pulled as an expression of disgust at the direction Tex, Okie and Walter have imposed upon this board; and that this was weeks before the most egregious of the Raina episodes.
Not really. His last correspondence to me was asking me to delete all his posts here because of Octopod, a Raina persona, being seemingly allowed to post here. IOW, because I tolerated and in fact, encouraged trolls at my board. It was quite obvious that he felt personally threatened by Raina, as well he should. He/she/it knows his name, where he works, etc. etc. In this day and age who knows what some nut job is capable of.
If he wouldn't have sent me a message that just blisteringly came right out and attacked me, accusing me of all sorts of evil, then he could have heard my explanation as to why I was 'feeding the troll' by allowing it to post. It was my new strategy to try and get it to out as many of its identities by playing to its ego (they liked to brag at how good they were). The results of that particular approach netted about 8 or so accounts they had here that I went on to delete.
But unfortunately, at that point AY didn't want to discuss anything, but just kept insisting that I nuke his account. I'm sure that the few disgruntled folks that quit posting here helped turn him away from OD, but I don't think he ever considered totally leaving here the way he did until the heat from Raina became so much that he couldn't take it anymore. So yes, in my opinion it was the troll that ultimately led him out the door in such a final and resolute manner. This was at the same time that Raina was all over the Phora in multiple identities and really just running wild all over our two boards. If you don't believe me how difficult a persistent troll can be to handle, then maybe you could go ask Fade. Unless you want to shut your board down then you have to think of alternative ways to deal with them.
Personally, I don't think the troll that harrangued AY was an ADL operation. I think it was someone he pissed off way back at Free Republic, probably someone affiliated with Zionist Conspirator. Those two have a history going way back a number of years. That's just my best guess.
The one crippling negative to AY withdrawing his contributions from OD - besides the uniform high quality of them, of course - is that, had they remained in place, they would offer damning testimony to how far OD has fallen in the months since the 'housecleaning' here. [/QUOTE]
For the record, there was never any housecleaning here. You had fireworks with Okie in the dead of night when I was away. I came back the next day to read your blistering email cursing and accusing me of every evil short of child molestation. I didn't ban you then and you're still not banned. How long are you going to harbour this thing? We were once civil and you even did me a nice turn with the tapes. I never did anything to you, IR. Even my guideline modification concerning the battles over Christianity had nothing to do with you. You hardly ever even posted on those threads.
Three members got upset enough to leave when that guideline went up: Avalanche, Neo, and judas wintermute/drowner. They then went on a mission contacting numerous members stating they were leaving, etc. etc. I think you took their cause onto yourself and now just can't shake the disease. I'm sorry about what all happened but its water under the bridge now. You know I like you and enjoy most of your commentary (I admit I don't miss the Linder crap), but either move on or move on. Life's too short guy and I know you know that.
2004-10-17 06:51 | User Profile
I had a conversation with Raina on Yahoo IM after she started registering hundreds of fake accounts at The Phora. That was all it took to get her to call off her campaign. She also indicated to me that she would stop harrassing AntiYuppie. As far as I know she hasn't been a problem since.
2004-10-18 22:38 | User Profile
AntiYuppie is back.
2004-10-20 02:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FadeTheButcher]I had a conversation with Raina on Yahoo IM after she started registering hundreds of fake accounts at The Phora. That was all it took to get her to call off her campaign. She also indicated to me that she would stop harrassing AntiYuppie. As far as I know she hasn't been a problem since.[/QUOTE] Congratulations Fade, and many thinks, for the personal involvement though I'm not familiar with IM. Through one simple message you have accomplished wat thousands of posts probably consuming many hundreds of hours of on-line time failed to do.
I think this shows one weakness of relying completely on the internet. Sometimes - many times - the personal touch is what's needed for real success. Life isn't a debating society.
2004-10-20 02:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Personally, I don't think the troll that harrangued AY was an ADL operation. I think it was someone he pissed off way back at Free Republic, probably someone affiliated with Zionist Conspirator. Those two have a history going way back a number of years. That's just my best guess. [/QUOTE]That would sort of be my best guess too. Raina personally sounded to me like just a yacker, who while obsessive, wasn't a professional launching a personal campaign against posters on these boards by herself. I'm not really familiar actually with what ADL/SPLC operatives are really like anyway personally regarding these kinds of boards. I'm sure they don't view us as any kind of real threat. But at the same time I know they do like to keep track of these sorts of things. As do other people. Jim Robinson among others.
That said, I'm sure these people often do like to talk among themselves. And we all strongly suspect that there is some professional monitoring activity going on. Witness "Veronica/Penacite" posting in 12 hour shifts, with ISP's in New York, Los Angeles, Paris, and Tel Aviv.
Did Veronica have anything to do with the activities of Raina? I don't know, but it really wouldn't be hard I suppose with anyone with a certain amount of free time on their hands to just do some basic legwork, gather some private/ personal information, and start spreading it around the internet tp harass people who they personally don't like.
2004-10-20 02:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]But why target AY? Why not TD or WY, or you, and some others who are major posters here? I did not follow all of Raina's posts but I do remember Octopod, whom I thought was a male, probaly a teenager, 18-20. Is ADL code for Anti-Defamation League and why would they be here? Why not go to Stormfront where there are bigger fish to fry?[/QUOTE]
I think AY has been targeted (just speculating here, of course) because he's unusually articulate, and to members of the far-right intelligentisia, a somewhat charismatic figure. The guy has the potential to emerge as a leader of sorts, in a way that many of us might like to have, but probably, in the final analysis, do not. Hence, he's a much more inviting target than some of us who, in the grander scheme of things, probably matter less (alas).
2004-10-20 04:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I think AY has been targeted (just speculating here, of course) because he's unusually articulate, and to members of the far-right intelligentisia, a somewhat charismatic figure. The guy has the potential to emerge as a leader of sorts, in a way that many of us might like to have, but probably, in the final analysis, do not. Hence, he's a much more inviting target than some of us who, in the grander scheme of things, probably matter less (alas).[/QUOTE]AntiYuppie is certainly very brilliant and articulate here. The reason for his high profile though I think have to do with his (and mine) days over at Free Republic, where he achieved an unusually high profile due to his principled arguments and stubborness.
The recent activities of Raina proves obviously that FR Kommissars have long memories, almost as long as their knives. Someone is keeping AY in the limelight, and I'd be flattering myself and this forum if I said it was us.
2004-10-20 05:53 | User Profile
AY was purged with Zoroaster and Ticonderoga just after Bush Jr. was sworn in in January 2000...though FReakers are vindictive they're far more obsessed with "Terrorists" than Paleo eggheads these days...
2004-10-20 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]AY was purged with Zoroaster and Ticonderoga just after Bush Jr. was sworn in in January 2000...though FReakers are vindictive they're far more obsessed with "Terrorists" than Paleo eggheads these days...[/QUOTE] These days, certainly. The Buchanites and the Buchanan/paleo wars are "put of site, out of mind". But don't forget how they got there - a truly remarkable display of inquisitorial zeal by the komissars, who don't forget, monitored the postings of Freepers, and I'm sure ex-Freepers of note, on other boards as well.
Among the kommissars, AY (posting as Gecko on FR) was somewhat of a star (at least in a negative sense) because of his dogmatic and impassioned opposition to the neo's at FR. You can bet he's not forgotten. And the activities of Veronica, moving to LF as Penacite, is solid proof that the monitoring effort to some extent moved to other boards as the aggravating posters were kicked off FR.