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Thread ID: 15282 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2004-10-12
2004-10-12 01:30 | User Profile
Turns out those old folks who "only" had an eighth grade education weren't as deprived as modern culture thinks. I know college graduates who couldn't pass this test...and I've already checked.snopes.com, [url]http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.htm[/url] They admit this is a real test and not an internet hoax but they argue that the information on this test is not relevant to the modern classroom. I would partially agree that some of these questions cover archaic terms about language rules but it also shows that those old-time country bumpikins were anything but dumb. -LL
[url]http://www.jaredstory.com/8thgradeeducation.html[/url]
Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
Remember when our grandparents, great-grandparents, and such stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out...
This is the eighth grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the Salina Journal.
8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)
Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
Orthography (Time, one hour)
Geography (Time, one hour)
2004-10-12 14:13 | User Profile
The Snopes URL that you provided indicates that this is a hoax. Maybe you should sign up for some remedial reading classes.
2004-10-12 16:54 | User Profile
The snopes site does not say specifically that it was a hoax. They label it as false because it does not prove that modern education is inferior to the old education as some who pass this around have claimed. I posted the snopes site to present a balanced view because I partially agree with snopes that some of the questions are archaic.
It is still an interesting test and I have two other sites claiming its real: [url]http://mwhodges.home.att.net/1895-test.htm[/url]
And the Kansas county where it originated: [url]http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/ottawa/exam.html[/url]
2004-10-12 18:05 | User Profile
The test isn't so hard, if you had just finished the school year where all those items were taught.
Consider this: Your great grandpa may have walked a couple of miles to school in the snow, been warmed only with a wood stove once at a school, been taught by a teacher who maybe had no education beyond high school. Had no electric lights, computers, or federal funding. Yet, was still better educated than most of today's students.
2004-10-12 21:11 | User Profile
The education system in the US is nothing but a joke, only thing that they are doing is to teach the kids how to be workers and nothing more.
Must of them can't even fill a job application with a high school diploma.
2004-10-12 21:55 | User Profile
HH - I think you're right; this test is not too hard, especially if you had been drilled in these subjects all year long. The thing that impressed me about this was the emphasis on civic pride and western heritage that shows through some of the questions.
For anyone else interested in the authenticity- If anyone takes time to read and mentally digest the snopes article, it should be clear that they are not questioning the authenticity of the test, they are only refuting the claim that this "proves" a decline in standards. I would generally agree this exam is not proof of anything, but I think it does show that one-room schoolhouses valued precise methods and put out some sharp kids.
Here is another good site that debunks internet rumors. It says this exam is authentic but doubts whether it was for eighth graders. Even so I think the emphasis on civic pride and so on make it interesting. [url]http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/1895exam.htm[/url] (yes, it lists this story as unproven but if you actually read the article it plainly says there is no reason to doubt the authenticity of the exam.)
2004-10-13 00:09 | User Profile
All these subjects and more were taught in the McGuffy readers. I had a set for my kids when we lived in the middle of nowhere. These tests are similiar to those.
2004-10-13 03:02 | User Profile
LA Refugee
Yes the McGuffy readers are great; I learned to read with them.
2004-10-24 20:18 | User Profile
I've seen this same test before, but with documentation saying it was a 12th grade high school graduation exam from Kansas in 1895.