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Are Psychedelic Mushrooms the Biblical "Manna"?

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toddbrendanfahey [OP]

2004-10-09 06:58 | User Profile

Are Psychedelic Mushrooms the Biblical "Manna"? :thumbsup:

by James Dure October 15, 2004

Exodus 16:14-24 indicates that MANNA was definitely a MUSHROOM. It was a small round thing in the morning dew, it bred larva, and would melt to mush if not dried.

Fly's eggs cause larvae/worms in mushrooms. Daniel 5:3-5 with Exodus 16:32 and Hebrews 9:4 indicates that the mushroom was a DRUG. Those who drank from the cup containing MANNA had visions within the hour. Psilocybin takes 30-40 minutes to induce visions.

Hebrews 9:4 makes it clear that MANNA was the most holy thing to Israelites, kept in A POT OF GOLD in the ARK OF THE COVENANT, in the MOST HOLY OF HOLYS. Psalm 78:24-25 calls MANNA FOOD OF ANGELS, just as MAYAN/INCA PRIESTS from Meso-America called it TEONANACATL FOOD OF THE GODS. Coca and Tobacco Leaves found in Pharaohs tombs suggest it was ancestors of Mayan/Inca Priests who brought MUSHROOMS to Egypt.

MANNA is an Egyptian word, not Hebrew or Aramaic, meaning: The BREAD OF GOD. This is what Moses called it in Exodus 16:15. BREAD OF GOD equals: FOOD OF GOD, equals: TEONANACATL.

John 2:6-9 indicates that Jesus made water into wine by boiling mushrooms (Mushroom-Tea), the waterpots were made of stone, not clay, (stone pots were used for cooking, clay pots used for storing water)...

[Fascinating, well-researched article here: [url]http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1976][/url]


Petr

2004-10-09 12:38 | User Profile

[COLOR=DarkRed] - "Daniel 5:3-5 with Exodus 16:32 and Hebrews 9:4 indicates that the mushroom was a DRUG. "[/COLOR]

These verses (especially Daniel) do not say anything about any mushrooms.

[COLOR=DarkRed] - " John 2:6-9 indicates that Jesus made water into wine by boiling mushrooms (Mushroom-Tea), the waterpots were made of stone, not clay, (stone pots were used for cooking, clay pots used for storing water)... "[/COLOR]

These verses say NOTHING about any mushrooms and this guy is an insignificant phony, just letting his imagination run wild and peddling lame revisionist tripe.

This article also continues: [COLOR=DarkRed] - "There is now good archeological evidence that Maya/Inca ancestors crossed the Atlantic, bringing with them advanced knowledge of STAR PRECESSION, PYRAMID ARCHITECTURE, and The MUSHROOM RITUAL to Egypt."[/COLOR]

Are any comments necessary?

[COLOR=Red] - "Fascinating, well-researched article ..."[/COLOR]

I must say that your evaluation skills don't particularly impress me.

Petr


Happy Hacker

2004-10-09 14:49 | User Profile

This is one of those things that is so stupid that it must be motivated by hostility to God.


Texas Dissident

2004-10-09 16:37 | User Profile

Fascinating! I never knew about any of this!


weisbrot

2004-10-10 02:43 | User Profile

[url]http://www.spikemagazine.com/0998todd.htm[/url]

TBF: I have a deeply-embedded fear of being 'straight.' I'll be frank about it. I have been enamored of chemicals since my childhood and it is surely the bane of my existence. I lost my wife over it just this past year. I love her and respect her enough to have finally told her, 'l can't promise I will change & a promise is what you want.' So, we divorced after 5 1/2 years of a rewarding and tumultuous marriage. She did not know about my LSD intake during the writing of Wisdom's Maw. I hid it from her - an LSD addicton that sometimes went for 40 days in a row - and in hiding my usage, psychologically, I almost destroyed myself. I am digging myself out of the wreckage that is lies as we speak.


Happy Hacker

2004-10-10 17:36 | User Profile

"LSD addiction" is an oxymoron.


toddbrendanfahey

2004-10-11 06:46 | User Profile

"Happy Hacker": Hostility to God? Hardly. Mebbe my particular brand of Faith doesn't coincide with your own, but to paint an entire post with a "broad brush" and call it "hostility to God" is pretty idiotic.

"Weisbrot": There's nothing to say to you, as you repost the same words from the same interview time and time again, w/o saying anything new.

Dunno why it'd be so implausible that Jesus grokked on magic mushrooms. They weren't "illegal" at the time (nor can a naturally-occurring fungi be rendered "illegal" by any government or potentate); he wrote of compelling visions, which square with "the visionary experience" of William Blake and Aldous Huxley--both psychedelic enthusiasts. That none of you were "there," alongside Jesus (nor was I), gives you 0.00 knowledge of what he may have gobbled on his journeys.

Aside from "Texas Dissident"'s response, this article got exactly the reception I expected for it to receive on OD. :yawn:


weisbrot

2004-10-11 10:13 | User Profile

[url]http://www.newworlddisorder.ca/issueone/interviews/faheyinterview.html[/url]

I've said, in Philadelphia's Carbon 14 'zine, that, "I'm either bored of the `sober life,' or else it scares the shit out of me. I don't think I've been straight for more than a week in 17 years."

My experimentation with psychedelics, which began with a baggie of mushrooms while as a junior in high school, escalated to taking a hit (or three) of LSD between my pinch'n'gum every day, for, mebbe, 40-days-in-a-row, for most of my late-20s and early-30s...

It was about that time that, while listening to John Coltrane's Giant Steps, with a headfull of Ketamine, laying on my bed, earjacks firmly implanted into the skull, and really grooving to Coltrane's genius, I was literally JERKED RIGHT OUT OF MY BED by a force. I found myself being dragged first through my bedroom, then into the livingroom, my legs and spine stiff and seizing to a feeling that I was not in control of mine own movements. I've been whacked before, on many chemicals, but nothing came close to this. Then I started to perform some ritualistic dance that included savage kicking motions and very orchestrated finger movements. It all seemed quite logical, for a few moments, and for a little while I "understood" why I was doing what I was doing, but my capacity to explain it now is no longer.

But after a few minutes, some part of my brain recognized that this was not the "Todd Brendan Fahey known unto Todd Brendan Fahey," and I began to experience The Fear. I had no control whatsoever over that which it was I was doing. I was like a marionette puppet. And it was apparent to me then (this has happened on at least four other occasions that I can remember; the weirdest thing was, I remember doing this same thing, or having this same thing done unto me while as a child) that an electromagnetic pulse were being utilized from space (or from a spook-van in the parking lot of my apartment, who knows) to lead me to jump out my livingroom window.

This sounds insane, it is insane, but it happened...

While still on the subject of Ketamine, a month earlier, while attending the Disinfo.com Convention (Robert Anton Wilson presiding) at the Hammerstein Ballroom, downtown Manhattan, I was privy to another, less-terrifying but equally bizarre, happening, this one involving a long mirror in my room at the Rev. Sun-Myung Moon/CIA-controlled (y'all can check this out if you want to) New Yorker Hotel, on 5th Street, in which the mirror into which I was viewing myself brush my hair, came alive, and I was able to alter my appearance, even to the point of seeing my hair grow dramatically, change the length of my chin, reshape my ears, and almost utterly transform my appearance, as I wished, as often as I wished, and, for as long as I was able to stand it, for as long as I wished...


toddbrendanfahey

2004-10-11 12:05 | User Profile

As I wrote, you're reposting old stuff. To what end?

I don't "allow" interviews or publish things that I'd ever shrink from. These writings and interviews are published 'cos I'm happy with them and/or was approached by fine minds-as-interviewers, and agreed to be grilled.

You, on the other hand, shrink behind some 'net "handle" and pop out whenever you see me post something to OD and elsewhere. How cowardly is that? (& what's YOUR real name, by the way?)

Were I to croak as I sit here typing, I'd die at 39, with four books written ([B][I]Wisdom's Maw [/I] [/B] having gained 55 5-star reviews, including in The [I]Village Voice[/I]) and the author of easily 100 published magazine articles (and sit-down interviews with Ken Kesey, Timothy Leary, Hunter S. Thompson, etc.), and with 9 Web sites bequeathed to political allies who'll carry on the tradition. Yeah, I've made my share of errors in life, but not many that I regret terminally.

Was nearly murdered in Chiang Rai, Thailand, only months ago, and am back in South Korea as a full Professor, teaching English to vice presidents and division managers and senior engineers/researchers for a Fortune 500 company. Can't do that with brain-damage or a drug-addled psyche.

So, f*ck off (or, grow a pair, or cornhole your daddy...) I don't care which. Your cyber-stalking is creepy.


weisbrot

2004-10-11 13:10 | User Profile

[url]http://www.spikemagazine.com/0998todd.htm[/url]

I was living in Santa Barbara, CA and had been accepted into the prestigious & ultra-expensive Professional Writing Program at USC for the Master's degree - this after having basically been run out of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism at Arizona State University for writing "too much like Hunter Thompson." [COLOR=Blue]It is important to note that, at that time. (Spring 1988), I had never read Hunter Thompson. Not a word. [/COLOR] I'm fairly sure I'd never even heard of him (I've spent many hours on this question and poured over all my old college folders. and there is no evidence at all of my ever encountering his work). I can pinpoint the exact moment that I recall discovering Thompson, and it was not until I bailed ASU in May of' '88 and moved back to Santa Barbara. (If you want to know the particulars, check out the article I wrote for a skin-mag back in '91, on my Web site.) This is an absolutely critical point if anyone is to fully appreciate my writing. I am not a "Hunter Thompson clone" (though one could do much worse).

[url]http://www.newworlddisorder.ca/issueone/interviews/faheyinterview.html[/url]

[COLOR=Blue]It all began one day in high school, with a bag of magic mushrooms[/COLOR]. Old friends from those days still tell me about "the time Todd Fahey took mushrooms for three-days straight," and came out a different chap. Psychedelics turned on a Satirical component of my being that I didn't know I had, previously. [COLOR=Blue]I became a connoisseur of Black Humor after those trips: a voracious reader of Hunter Thompson, [/COLOR] Burroughs, Swift, J.P. Donleavy (The Ginger Man), etc.; and also of the Greeks (Heraclitus, Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus), who are very much seeking after answers as to the composition of the Soul and the duties of man in his lifetime.


skemper

2004-10-11 14:02 | User Profile

Todd,

Moses had to lead about 3 million people out of Egypt and around the Sinai during the Exodus for 40 years until they crossed the Jordan. I arrive at 3 million people because Ex. 12:37 says that there were about 600,000 men of fighting age and if you consider most had wives and children, 3 million is not an unreasonable figure. That many people getting high on psychedelic mushrooms at once would cause lots of problems. Also, scripture says that manna was sweet to the taste. I don't know of any mushrooms that are naturally sweet to the taste. If mushrooms were used as manna and to turn water into wine the scriptures would say so. Manna was sent by God because the people were hungry, not because they wanted to get high.


toddbrendanfahey

2004-10-12 00:50 | User Profile

Weisbrot:

I wrote that I discovered Hunter Thompson after those trips. & this is true. Didn't state when, though.

In the case of HST, I discovered [I]Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas [/I] (the first book of his which I perused) many years after my initial high school 'shroom sessions. As I wrote in "Hunter S. Thompson: The Champion of Fun" ([url]http://www.fargonebooks.com/hunter2.html[/url]), it was on a golden Santa Barbara beach in 1988 that I first got turned on to Thompson's genius.

You'dda known that, were you were interested in doing yr homework, rather than picking & choosing, willy-nilly, from random excerpts of my work.

Am beginning to think you suffer some obsessive-compulsive disorder, for all the time you spend trying to pick apart my background and writings. That, or I should be flattered. ...naww...you're just a twisted f*ck. :nerd:


LlenLleawc

2004-10-12 01:00 | User Profile

Werner Keller's book, [I]The Bible as History[/I] claims biologists and geographers have found that something like manna still exists in Sinai. There is an insect that, just like bees, secretes a honey like crystaline substance onto the leaves of a certain tree and produces a wafer like food that is eaten by the nomads in this area. The food only lasts a day or two although the Bedouins have found ways to preserve it longer. I know Werner Keller's work is a little old but I haven't ever heard anything refuting this.

We could debate whether this was really the same manna the Hebrews ate. I don't have any problem believing God could have used something as ordinary as desert insect to feed the Hebrews. Anyways it seems a better starting point than psychedelic mushrooms.


weisbrot

2004-10-12 01:39 | User Profile

[IMG]http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/faheyby.jpg[/IMG]

...just a twisted f*ck. :nerd:

Uncanny resemblance. Is it coincidence?

OR IS IT THE KETAMINE????


toddbrendanfahey

2004-10-12 05:02 | User Profile

This is a better shot. Weird, am 7 years older in this photo (below), and I look 7 years younger. Must be all the drugs, ho ho...:

[IMG]http://www.sianews.com/Dscn0539.jpg[/IMG]