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Thread ID: 15259 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2004-10-08
2004-10-08 22:00 | User Profile
SPLC:"'Heritage' group leaders welcome back the KKK"
Neo-Confederates 'Heritage' group leaders welcome back the KKK
SCV mover-and-shaker Kirk Lyons at a 1990 Klan rally in Pulaski, Tenn.
In 1992, the nation's largest "heritage" group, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, seemed to be moving squarely into the mainstream when it passed a resolution condemning the Ku Klux Klan and "all others who promote hate."
But racial extremists have infiltrated the group and attempted to turn back the clock in recent years ââ¬â and now they're questioning the wisdom of turning away Klan members.
**"Mere Klan membership should not be sufficient to remove a member," white-supremacist attorney Kirk Lyons, a close associate of SCV Commander-in-Chief Ron Wilson, wrote members in a March e-mail. Rick Forlines, head of the Norfolk County Greys SCV camp, chimed in: "I'll take my allies wherever I can find them."
Paul Burr, an SCV member from Albemarle, N.C., added, "A Klan member has the RIGHT to join the SCV."**
With the 31,400-member group about to hold national elections at its biennial convention in July in Dalton, Ga., the increasing influence of extremists has been solidified in recent state-level elections.
In Alabama, longtime segregationist Leonard Wilson was elected to head the state's SCV division. In Virginia, a radical slate headed by Bragdon Bowling, a fierce admirer of John Wilkes Booth, took all the state-level positions. North Carolina's Jim Pierce, who passed out a grotesque anti-black cartoon prior to the 2002 national elections, became that state's SCV historian. And in Missouri, Gordon Baum, leader of the white-supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, now serves as Judge Advocate General.
The backward turn toward white supremacy has left some moderate members downright despondent. "I look back on the past decade of my life and wonder if I have not wasted some of my best years," general executive council member Allen Trapp wrote other SCV leaders in May.
"Considering the state of the SCV today, I do not believe that I have accomplished a damn thing."
**Meanwhile, another neo-Confederate outfit, the League of the South, has attempted to clean up its image by sending letters to law-enforcement officers throughout the South.
The letters claim that the League, listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, is a "respectable organization" devoted to "the preservation of historic local cultures." No mention is made of the League's rejection of interracial marriage or its belief that the South should be "Anglo-Celtic." **
[url]http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=482[/url]
2004-10-09 02:07 | User Profile
Why don't we hear the LOS, KKK, and SCV go on the offensive and expose this SPLC and the homosexual Morris Dees for what he is?
2004-10-09 03:29 | User Profile
skemper,
Also I might add they did not endorse the KKK, not said a person whould not lose his membership over it. One of the leaders of the CofCC said the same a few years back. It is good to see that the SCV has learned going PC is the road to destruction. League of the South is still called a "Hate Group" by the SPLC, even with the PC nonsense they have taken up. A few years back it was the SCV that was PC and LOS was un-PC.
See: Dennis Wheeler's Page [url]http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/[/url]
The Great Southern League Race Debate [url]http://www.mindspring.com/~dennisw/debates/sldebate[/url]
Some have gone on the offensive and to expose this SPLC.
It looks as if the deeswatch is gone.
[url]http://www.deeswatch.com[/url]
Deeswatch Page web.archive.org [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20010720150617/http://www.deeswatch.com/[/url]
deeswatch.com on the web.archive.org [url]http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.deeswatch.com[/url]
You can find a good bit of bad stuff about him on the Web. Google.com Web Searched: Morris Dees [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Morris+Dees&btnG=Google+Search[/url]
Some articles:
The Patriotist - The Dirt on Morris Dees [url]http://www.patriotist.com/dees.htm[/url]
The Church of Morris Dees(FR thread) [url]http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:8sxDj6mowTcJ:www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3e5cb925c4.htm+Morris+Dees&hl=en[/url]
Morris Dees: Fear-monger, profitteer and Hypocrite. [url]http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/dees_86.htm[/url]
Morris Dees -- Child Molester, Pervert, and Liar? [url]http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/dees1.htm[/url]
2004-10-09 17:32 | User Profile
Faust,
Do you think that the SCV and LOS are admitting KKK's because they realize that many potential members of their groups and supporters of Southern Heritage have simular views? Most PC people would not have an interest in either group anyway. Also they need to consider that most Confederate veterans were members of the KKK and other similar resistance groups after the war to take back their government and heritage.
2004-10-18 10:14 | User Profile
No mention is made of the League's rejection of interracial marriage or its belief that the South should be "Anglo-Celtic.
Now they just have me confused... is that a bad thing or a good thing?
Try this on...
No mention is made of Israel's rejection of interfaith marriage or its belief that the country should be Jewish.
2004-10-20 21:18 | User Profile
londo,
Great Post! :cheers:
2004-12-07 04:19 | User Profile
More stuff from the SPCL
SCV Standoff A vote fails to settle a long-running battle between 'moderates' and extremists in the South's leading heritage group
By Heidi Beirich
The civil war continues. The Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) heritage group's annual convention failed to settle the power struggle between extremists and "moderates" over the future direction of the organization.
The 1,000-plus delegates who gathered in Dalton, Ga., in late July to vote for the group's top leadership posts and on a series of other matters left neither faction the total victor, punting the battle over the future of the SCV to the group's summer 2005 Nashville convention.
The Dalton convention capped two years of contentious political struggle within the SCV. In 2002, radicals who in some cases were explicitly racist took over the top leadership posts in the group ââ¬â among them, the then-new commander in chief, Ron Wilson, a man who once sold anti-Semitic books from his home in South Carolina. Wilson did not run in the latest SCV elections, but many of his allies did.
There was little to celebrate for those hoping the SCV would forcefully denounce racism and political extremism in Dalton. Walt Hilderman, leader of the dissident Save the SCV faction, which advocates stripping white supremacists and neo-secessionists of their SCV membership, was removed from the convention hall by SCV security ââ¬â even though he was running for commander in chief. Delegates then passed a resolution calling for Hilderman's expulsion from the group.
Still, moderates, led by former commander in chief Pete Orlebeke and losing Arkansas candidate for commander J. Troy Massey, managed to win in tight votes all six leadership positions in the SCV's three geographic divisions, plus the national lieutenant commander post.
That means the moderates now have secured seven positions on the SCV's General Executive Council (GEC) ââ¬â a body made up of 13 elected or appointed officials, but swelled occasionally by up to 12 past commanders with ex officio voting powers. The past commanders are mostly moderates.
Moderates also successfully defeated amendments to the SCV constitution that were designed by white supremacist lawyer and SCV activist Kirk Lyons. The measures were aimed at strengthening Lyons' "reform," or extremist, faction.
But the extremists did not leave Dalton empty-handed.
Most importantly, they won the commander in chief post, electing former Texas division commander and national lieutenant commander Denne Sweeney by just 129 votes. Radicals also passed several key resolutions, including one awarding Lyons' Southern Legal Resources Center (SLRC) $20,000 for legal battles.
Another measure proclaimed all SCV members to be "Confederate Southern Americans," an "ethnic" category dreamed up by Lyons in an attempt to protect white southerners with laws designed to prevent racial discrimination.
Lyons' attempts to get courts to accept the category as legally valid have been rebuffed repeatedly, and the lawyer was actually fined by one Virginia court after refusing to drop the argument.
Whither the SCV? Sweeney's leadership is expected to resemble that of his predecessor, R.G. "Ronnie" Wilson. On his campaign Web site, Sweeney vows to continue the purge of Save the SCV members begun by Wilson, who suspended Hilderman and 300 other North Carolina SCV members for publicly calling for an end to racism within the SCV.
Every person who was suspended received a letter in June that demanded that they formally renounce their criticisms and "see the error of their ways."
Sweeney has known Lyons ââ¬â a man who was married by a leading neo-Nazi on the grounds of the Aryan Nations hate group ââ¬â for at least five years. As head of the Texas SCV, Sweeney initiated a lawsuit against the state and then-Gov. George W. Bush in 2000 that challenged the removal of two small bronze plaques honoring Confederate soldiers from the Texas Supreme Court building.
Sweeney and the SCV were initially represented by Lyons' SLRC, but Texas SCV officials later decided to dump Lyons in favor of another lawyer. Though the plaques have not been returned to the building, Sweeney did manage to get the Texas GOP to include a demand for their reinstatement as part of the party's platform.
Shortly after his election as SCV commander, Sweeney pledged the SCV's "total resources" to the fight.
During his tenure over the last two years as SCV lieutenant commander, Sweeney worked to pass amendments to the constitution that would have helped the radicals in their battle with moderates.
One amendment would have stripped past commanders ââ¬â the same leaders who passed antiracist resolutions in the early 1990s ââ¬â of their GEC voting rights. Another would have added officials appointed by the commander in chief, such as the chief of heritage defense, to the GEC. Still another would have allowed Wilson to run for a second term. All failed in Dalton.
These same amendments first came up during the SCV's 2003 convention, but were rejected. At that point, Sweeney and Wilson proposed that an extraordinary convention be held in February 2004 ââ¬â a hastily prepared gathering that would have drawn mostly Wilson allies. But that plan was voted down by local SCV units.
In his recent campaign literature, Sweeney also proposed the creation of a Web site meant to attack what are described as "Enemies of the South," including both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
At Dalton, delegates passed a resolution condemning "racial and political extremists" ââ¬â including the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton. They then passed another that "demanded" that the attorneys general of the United States and Alabama investigate the Southern Poverty Law Center, and warned "decent people" not to communicate or associate with the SPLC or its co-founder, Morris Dees.
The New Regime After the July Dalton election, Sweeney moved swiftly, appointing several hard-liners to key leadership positions. H. Rondel Rumberg, a member of two hate groups ââ¬â the Council of Conservative Citizens (see Communing with the Council) and the League of the South ââ¬â is the SCV's new national chaplain.
Paul Gramling Jr., a past Louisiana commander who has praised a novel that describes black violence against whites defending the Confederate battle flag (The Last Confederate Flag; see Fightin' Words), is the new chief of heritage defense. James "Jim" Dark, who is closely allied with Sweeney, is the new adjutant in chief.
Another hard-liner, Bragdon Bowling of Virginia, was named national press officer. In his first week, Bowling issued a series of press releases, including one charging that the NAACP had "lost its course as a true civil rights organization" and demanding that its tax-exempt status be revoked.
Sweeney faces stiff opposition, particularly from past national commanders, in his two-year term. After the convention, fellow radical James McManus said that Wilson, the outgoing commander, told him, "It's going to be a long next two years. You are going to see a lot of 9-to-11 votes going against Denne." Another radical, identifying himself in an E-mail as "Roger Ramjet," agreed that future votes will be contentious, but said that he expects the SCV to continue moving to the right.
"There is a hodgepodge group on the GEC, roughly 50% 'reform' and 50% 'granny' [the radicals' favored name for SCV moderates], or 'old school,'" he wrote. "Keep your eye ... on the measures which sail through largely unopposed. It is there that you'll find the ... [SCV's] true direction. Which will be to the right."
Former GEC member John Adams, ejected from his jobs as SCV webmaster and adjutant-in-chief last year after signing up an Intelligence Report writer for an array of pornographic Internet services, summed up the radical view of the Dalton elections in an August E-mail.
"Palatka [where Florida division elections were held earlier in the year] and Dalton solved nothing," he wrote. "If anything, they gave false hope to a dying breed of do-nothing grannies, who actually think they have a snowball's chance in Hell of turning back the clock to the 'good old days.'"
[url]http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=493[/url]
2004-12-21 03:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]More stuff from the SPCL
SCV Standoff A vote fails to settle a long-running battle between 'moderates' and extremists in the South's leading heritage group
By Heidi Beirich
The civil war continues. The Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) heritage group's annual convention failed to settle the power struggle between extremists and "moderates" over the future direction of the organization....................................................
Sweeney faces stiff opposition, particularly from past national commanders, in his two-year term. After the convention, fellow radical James McManus said that Wilson, the outgoing commander, told him, "It's going to be a long next two years. [B]You are going to see a lot of 9-to-11 votes going against Denne."[/B] Another radical, identifying himself in an E-mail as "Roger Ramjet," agreed that future votes will be contentious, but said that he expects the SCV to continue moving to the right.[/QUOTE]Reading the latest [I]Confederate Veteran[/I], Denne A. Sweeney sounds like he's going public with the feud within the SCV. His monthly column details the politics of the GEC and is entitled "Tammany Hall In Action".
Get ready for this thing to go up a notch.
2004-12-29 00:27 | User Profile
I lost ancestors on both sides of the 1861-5 unpleasantness.
As long as 90% of White southerners vote for deracinated, cynical scum like Baby Bush things won't improve for Traditionalists...