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2004-09-24 13:03 | User Profile
UK archives reveal Palestine plan
By Rick Fountain BBC, London
Secret wartime discussions about Palestine between Winston Churchill and the future Israeli President Chaim Weizmann led to an icy exchange with Anthony Eden, the British foreign secretary, according to official papers just released at the National Archives at Kew, London.
A top-secret Colonial Office file from 1943 shows that Mr Churchill favoured a plan to try to bribe King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, with ã20m and the leadership of a new Arab confederation, in exchange for the Saudi monarch's help in handing over Palestine to the Jews.
As Mr Eden pointed out to his boss, such a move would be the opposite of British official policy.
'Glacial'
The idea was put to Mr Churchill by Dr Weizmann, at that time head of the Jewish Agency, the body which acted for the Jewish community in Palestine in the years of the League of Nations mandate.
Mr Churchill was sympathetic to the Jewish cause and had long been a supporter of the 1917 Balfour Declaration which proposed a national home for the Jews.
But the usually emollient and diplomatic Mr Eden was angered when he heard from Washington that Dr Weizmann, talking to one of President Roosevelt's foreign policy advisers, Sumner Welles, had referred to the project as "the PM's plan".
Mr Eden wrote glacially to Mr Churchill: "I do not know how far Dr Weizmann has authority to speak in your name but I am a little worried about the danger of confusion arising in Washington.
"Our present Palestine policy has been accepted by Parliament.
"I know well your personal feeling on this but there has been no discussion suggesting that the US government should be approached as regards the possibility of modifying it.
Eden's anger
"I must also record my view that Ibn Saud would not be willing to receive Dr Weizmann to discuss the future of Palestine nor would he agree to recommend to the Arab world any scheme remotely resembling present Zionist aspirations."
Mr Eden pointed out that the 1939 London White Paper on Palestine was unequivocally against letting it become a Jewish state.
In his reply, a day or so later, Mr Churchill wrote: "Dr Weizmann has no authority to speak in my name. At the same time, I expressed these views to him when we met some time ago and you have often heard them from me yourself."
Mr Churchill acknowledged however that even if the King, then aged 67, was persuaded, he might not live long enough to carry it through.
"The great difficulty is the age of Ibn Saud," he wrote.
Perhaps aiming to soothe his foreign secretary's anger, Mr Churchill added: "I regard all discussion on these points as premature at present and only liable to cause dissension."
Story from BBC NEWS: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3681840.stm[/url]
Published: 2004/09/23 00:42:18 GMT
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2004-09-24 15:33 | User Profile
According to the Jews there was no Palestinians because there was never a country of Palestine,,,,,,,, the indians in the Amazonian jungle and the blacks in the Jungles of africa in the old days didn't needed a so called country, in the majority they used the land where they were at and killed anyone who came into their land and that was it.
The Jews claim that they made Palestine into a beautiful land, well, the Khazars Zionist started their so called nation in the most fertile land in Palestinia and even now days they steal and destroy the trees in the palestians land in order to grow their own product.
All that a Palestinian wants out of life is a wife, couple of kids, a home, some figs trees, water and a couple of donkeys,,,,,,,, but now thanks to the Zionists they also want 76 virgins.
What you take with a gun you will loose to a gun,,,,,,,,,
2004-09-25 01:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]What you take with a gun you will loose to a gun,,,,,,,,,[/QUOTE] Live by the sword, Die by the sword, Such is the karma of strong men.
2004-09-25 16:24 | User Profile
Eden had to endure cruel punishment during the Seconc World War. He had to listen to the vacuous John Foster Dulles. During World War I Eden at the age of 20 was the youngest Brigade Major in the British Army. [QUOTE]During World War II Mr. Dulles, after arriving in Britain in June of 1942, was irritated by the British refusal to meet with him to discuss plans for the post-war world. Even the high clergy of the Anglican Church could not find time. Their lack of interest was taken as a personal insult. Foreign Minister, [COLOR=Red]Anthony Eden[/COLOR], eventually did find time to meet, but in a report to the Federal Council of Churches, Mr. Dulles could only write that [COLOR=Red]Mr. Eden only listened[/COLOR]. In his memoirs Harold MacMillan took care to include a copy of a talk between Dulles and the Colonial Secretary in July 1942. After complimenting the British for their superlative work among backward people, Mr. Dulles had warned him that Americans were fundamentally hostile to imperialism. If there was to be cooperation between the United States and Britain in post-war world, it could not be done on the basis of sentiment. It could only be on the basis of the task to be done. Then Mr. Dulles affirmed that no idea had more appeal to the American people than the advancement of backward people. [COLOR=Red]In a crowning insult Sir Alexander Cadogan of the Foreign Office wrote of Mr. Dulles as the "woolliest type of useless pontificating American ... Heaven help us".[/COLOR] Later during the crisis in the Middle East Mr. Dulles repaid the British by telling the Senate that if he were in the area, he would not want a British or French soldier on either side of him. As a judge of character and brains Mr. Dulles referred to Molotov, the Foreign Minister of the Soviet Union, as the ablest foreign statesman he had ever met. Many others regarded Molotov as a prize dolt. Lenin once described Molotov as an "incurable dumbbell". [/QUOTE]Unfortunately Eden and his kind disappeared from the world governing councils to be replaced by Dulles and his moronic progeny.
2004-09-26 11:45 | User Profile
This article is one of many that makes it is easy to see why neocons love Churchill so much.
Molotov: a.k.a. "Stone Ass", for his ability not to agree with anything and his endearing personality.
[QUOTE]Then Mr. Dulles affirmed that no idea had more appeal to the American people than the advancement of backward people.[/QUOTE]
I love sanctimonious jackasses like Dulles who profess to speak for all Americans. There are quite a few of us who don't give a damn about the third world one way or the other, except to keep it and its backwardness out of the U.S.