← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Walter Yannis
Thread ID: 15096 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2004-09-23
2004-09-23 09:55 | User Profile
For those of you considering a legal career, consider some interesting facts I dug up:
California has a really, really tough bar exam. Nearly 65% of those sitting for the February 2004 California Bar [URL=http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney%20Resources/California%20Bar%20Journal/June2004&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/2004-06_TH_05_35-percent-pass.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top%20Headlines]FAILED[/URL]. The February exam is often a second attempt at the exam, taken by folks who failed the July exam. [URL=http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney%20Resources/California%20Bar%20Journal/December2003&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/12_TH_05_50-percent-bar-exam.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top%20Headlines]More than half FAILED the July exam[/URL].
Here's a guy who [URL=http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney%20Resources/California%20Bar%20Journal/February2004&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/2004-02_TH_03_47-times.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top%20Headlines]failed the CA Bar Exam 47 times [/URL] before he finally passed.
The California [URL=http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney%20Resources/California%20Bar%20Journal/June2004&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/2004-06_TH_01_Strong-job.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top%20Headlines]legal job market [/URL] seems to be improving. However, there's been a [URL=http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney%20Resources/California%20Bar%20Journal/October2003&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/10_TH_01_Surge-law-apps.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top%20Headlines]major increase in law school applications[/URL], so we're at the top of that cycle.
Lawyer salaries are quite high across the country, see this[URL=http://www.abbott-langer.com/lawsumm.html#Begin]this January 2004 salary survey[/URL]. California isn't terribly high in the ranks in this study:
[QUOTE]In aggregate, the highest median incomes reported for attorneys this year were in: Westchester County (NY) ($260,000); Topeka ($210,000); Detroit ($200,000); New York City ($194,500); Salt Lake City/Ogden ($190,000); Cleveland ($188,000); Dallas/Ft. Worth ($166,384); Houston ($163,750); and Philadelphia ($162,000); and outside the metropolitan areas studied in Connecticut ($191,000); New Jersey ($189,360); Kansas ($170,000); South Carolina ($161,373); Arizona ($158,125); and Colorado ($151,500).
The lowest median incomes were found in Providence ($65,693); El Paso ($70,947); New Orleans ($75,364); Boston ($92,500); Minneapolis/St. Paul ($92,820); and Portland (OR) ($98,499); and outside the metropolitan areas studied in Rhode Island ($65,693); and Montana ($69,530).[/QUOTE]
Here [URL=http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleFriendlyTAL.jsp?id=1090180366293]The American Lawyer's list of top national firms[/URL]. Full partners in firms like this often make over $1 million/year. Note that "diversity" is a big factor.
[QUOTE]Rank Firm Total Score RPL Score Pro Bono Score Associate Satisfaction Score Diversity Score 1 Debevoise & Plimpton, New York 1,109 179 197 180 177 2 Heller Ehrman, San Francisco 1,081 178 188 169 180 3 Munger, Tolles, Los Angeles 1,080 190 171 184 174 4 Cleary, Gottlieb, New York 1,039 180 192 109 186 5 Latham & Watkins, National 1,029 161 191 170 155 6 Paul, Weiss, New York 1,025 194 187 64 199 7 Davis Polk, New York 1,024 197 182 78 188 8 Howrey Simon, Washington, D.C. 1,022 167 190 144 164 9 Patterson, Belknap, New York 1,014 170 195 125 159 10 Arnold & Porter, Washington, D.C. 1,008 153 198 120 186 11 Simpson Thacher, New York 1,006 191 169 94 192 11 Wilmer Cutler, Washington, D.C. 1,006 167 200 158 114 13 Morrison & Foerster, San Francisco 997 136 194 142 195 14 Skadden, New York 995 185 184 87 170 15 Covington & Burling, Washington, D.C. 969 159 199 151 102 16 Sullivan & Cromwell, New York 964 198 186 84 112 17 Cravath, New York 959 195 152 68 197 18 Robins, Kaplan, Minneapolis 951 167 165 194 93 19 Jenner & Block, Chicago 929 139 196 162 97 20 Hughes Hubbard, New York 923 131 178 110 195 The total score was calculated by doubling the RPL and Pro Bono scores and adding those to the Associate Satisfaction and Diversity scores. [/QUOTE]
Enjoy!
Walter
2004-09-24 02:23 | User Profile
Lawyers are for the most part liberal scumbags who, instead of choosing a career that leads to innovation, increased standard of living, drug inventions for our citizens, education, and other noble pursuits like farming and manufaturing....choose to argue and add stress to people's lives thru bogus lawsuits and absurd atrocities on our Constitution.
I"m not a lawyer fan.
2004-09-24 04:59 | User Profile
Lol Jay,,,,,,, Jew are 2.6% of the US population, or so they say, but more than half of lawyers are Jews, many of them have Anglo names, instead of Jewish names, and that's how they infiltrate the general population.
2004-09-24 05:00 | User Profile
Lol Jay,,,,,,, Jew are 2.6% of the US population, or so they say, but more than half of lawyers are Jews, many of them have Anglo names instead of Jewish names and that's how they infiltrate the general population.
2004-09-24 13:08 | User Profile
I can understand the attraction to a career in law, but having worked in a few offices I think I'd rather drive a fuel tanker in the Sunni Triangle than work in one of these high-brow law offices. The worst part would be trying to be congenial and hiding the fact that I have contempt for everyone in the office (save for the hispanic cleaning staff).
2004-10-06 13:22 | User Profile
Here are a few more links.
New York's bar exam is hard and it looks like it [URL=http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1096473926009]just got harder[/URL].
Also, it appears that [URL=http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1095434483695]entry level hiring is now on the rise[/URL], at least in the North East.
Walter
2004-10-06 15:23 | User Profile
Remember Matthew Hale. A finished law school, passed the bar, but was denied a law licence not because of any crime, but because of his non-PC beliefs.
Whites need more lawyers to represent their interests. For anyone willing, the job pays pretty good. But, if it is known that your intent is to defend white interests, you will be denied a licence.
The lower courts turned Hale down. The Supreme Court refused the case. I figure the Supreme Court let the lower courts do the dirty work and then stood aside so that they could keep their hands clean of this blatant First Amendment violation.
2004-10-06 15:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Remember Matthew Hale. A finished law school, passed the bar, but was denied a law licence not because of any crime, but because of his non-PC beliefs.
Whites need more lawyers to represent their interests. For anyone willing, the job pays pretty good. But, if it is known that your intent is to defend white interests, you will be denied a licence.
The lower courts turned Hale down. The Supreme Court refused the case. I figure the Supreme Court let the lower courts do the dirty work and then stood aside so that they could keep their hands clean of this blatant First Amendment violation.[/QUOTE]
Definitely one should remain total operational silence when getting into a legal career.
I still do, even though it would be much more difficult to strip me of my bar card for my beliefs than it would be to deny me original entry to the bar.
Walter
2004-10-06 19:14 | User Profile
This particular "lawyer" charge me $64.00 for two phone call to my house and my line was busy,so,,,,,,,,,,, I paid him and didn't say anything and then took him to Small Claim Court,,,,,, the judge raise hell about it and I got my money back.
At $185.00 per hour it cost him about $700.00 to go to Small Claim Court.
PS: I made sure that my case was the last one on the dock, that way he would spend more time sitting there doing nothing and also I never wrote down the real reason for taking him to Court as I only wrote "Lawyer bill" and nothing more.