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2004-09-14 23:59 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/balkan.htm]The Coming Balkanization of America [/URL] by Edgar J. Steele
We must understand clearly and firmly that the dominant authorities...not only do nothing to conserve what most of us regard as our traditional way of life, but actually seek its destruction..." --- Sam Francis, Revolution from the Middle, (1997)
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning..." --- Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)
(This is an excerpt from Chapter 18, "New America," of Defensive Racism by Edgar J. Steele, due to be published in October 2004. Visit [url]www.DefensiveRacism.com[/url] for other excerpts, further details and, when available, an order blank)
I've heard it said that anybody with a globe and bottle of whiskey can be a geopolitician. Though I drink very little these days, I do own a globe. Let's test that thesis. My best take on how things might go in America when the dominoes start falling:
The battle lines will be drawn along what will be perceived to be defensible borders, coincident with natural impediments like rivers and mountain ranges. The lines will be drawn racially at first. A great deal depends upon whether America's metropolitan areas are left intact.
Aztlan will become a reality in those days and there is not a thing that anybody can do about it. In truth, there is little that could be done about it today, if the militant Mestizos occupying the future territory of Aztlan wished to take it now. Judging strictly by current population makeup and proximity to the Mexican border, Aztlan's border will stretch from the Pacific coastline across northern California , bisecting Nevada and Utah. The southwestern portion of Colorado will be included, along with much of Oklahoma and Western Texas. Arizona and New Mexico will go entirely, of course.
When reports of the carnage against non-Hispanic residents of Aztlan reach the rest of America with latino populations, the reprisal killings and violence will precipitate a headlong dash for the new border by all Hispanics not already in Aztlan.
Simultaneously, a similar scenario will be playing out in the deep South, where Blacks simply will up the already-simmering race war to a full boil. I expect that border to enclose the already-huge Black populations of eastern Virginia and eastern North Carolina . All of South Carolina will go, together with all but the far northern reaches of Georgia and Alabama. All of Mississippi and Louisiana will be included, together with eastern Texas, southeast Arkansas and southwest Tennessee . For lack of a better term, I have dubbed this new region, due to become a country unto itself, "New Africa."
I see a strong possibility, born of necessity for a gulf coast port, of New America dipping down through eastern Texas in a swath that encompasses both Dallas and Houston, thereby dividing Aztlan from New Africa.
Florida will become a special case, due to its large population of Cuban and Caribbean extraction. How it will shake out is anybody's guess, but it will end up being a White "no-go" zone, of that you can be sure.
Buffer zones of varying widths naturally will arise along the de facto borders of Aztlan, New Africa and what will become New America. Those will be the only relatively safe areas for those who find themselves welcome on neither side of the new borders, as with mixed-race families.
There will be outposts, strongholds if you will, of Blacks deep in what becomes White territory. Detroit comes to mind as an example. What comes of them at first is anybody's guess, but, eventually, those people will migrate to New Africa.
If America undergoes change as a result of war, it likely will have been a part of World War III, and many of America's cities will have been reduced to rubble. Regardless, intact cities will become battle zones with the suspension of food deliveries, particularly, and devolve to the control of street gangs. The populations will spread into the countryside, where refugee camps will be erected and where the street gangs will be met and destroyed as they emerge, both desperate and hungry, from the cities.
If America is not preemptively decapitated, it will have responded in kind and national borders all around the globe will shift. The Chinese will move into all of southeast Asia, Indochina and, possibly, Australia and New Zealand. China can be expected to swallow Japan whole and take most of Russia east of the Ural Mountain range.
Alaska possibly will be seized by the Chinese at first, given China's burgeoning demand for oil and the prospect of its salvation looming just over the rise, beneath the Northern Slopes. China possibly even could establish a beachhold in the far west of Canada and the northwest tip of America, including Seattle, a region already home to a huge Asian population. Should this happen, expect general reprisals against those of Asian descent throughout what remains of America. They will, of necessity, flee to the far Northwest.
If a general war has taken place, Canada's capitol will be laid waste, as well, with the rest of Canada likely throwing its lot in with de facto White America. Eastern Canada possibly will choose to go its own way.
South America and sub-Saharan Africa will sink into a morass of crime, revolution, genocide and intertribal warfare, once free of their Western overseers.
Israel will be turned into a giant, self-illuminated glass parking lot by the Arab states it has tormented for so long. Likely, it will take large portions of the Middle East with it as it goes down. A new, Islam-based Muslim empire will arise from the ashes of the Middle East, stretching from India in the east to Turkey in the west and from Kazakhstan in the north well into Northern Africa in the south. Internecine fighting will keep the Muslims occupied for centuries to come, just as has occurred for so many centuries in the past.
Eastern Europe will erupt into regional wars, what with the removal of American and other Western influence. It will shake out eventually, as will America , along racial lines.
Russia will become substantially smaller and be occupied with fortifying its borders, provided it is not laid waste as a part of a world at war. Russia's greatest immediate danger may well come from the nuclear arsenal of an Israel caught up in the throes of death, though Russia's long-term enemy will prove to be China .
India and Pakistan will devastate one another with their nuclear arsenals, just as they have threatened for so long.
The northern reaches of Europe - Norway, Sweden and Finland - stand a chance of coming through unscathed, as do the alpine portions of Europe.
Western European nations, which have become as racially mixed as America, will share America's fate, and for the same reasons.
As America begins the long walk back from its own troubles, I foresee a schism arising between the western and the eastern portions as ideological differences manifest. The big-government, control-freak nature of many in the eastern portion of the US, particularly the remaining Zionists, will prove intolerable to free-wheeling and independent-minded Westerners.
Depending upon how things progress, Jews could become the focus of a great deal of anger by people throughout the world, particularly in America, if they are seen as having been the source of the difficulties, particularly a war that escapes the Middle East, then engulfs the world.
While I do not foresee a breakout of hostilities between the two regions in America, I do see there being a break of the sort that should have occurred in lieu of the American Civil War of the 1860s. This dividing line could well end up being in the vicinity of the Mississippi River. There could be further splits as America continues to Balkanize, much as the former Soviet Union broke apart.
For lack of a better term, I have dubbed the far eastern portion of what will remain of America "New Israel." The size of New Israel will depend inversely upon the degree of hostility to Jews and any requirement by New America that Jews be excluded strictly along racial lines.
I do not foresee Americans actually expelling any who have attained American citizenship, nor do I advocate such expulsion. However, just as Blacks and Mestizos inevitably will concentrate themselves in those areas which they currently dominate, so will Jews concentrate into an area centering on what already has become New Tel Aviv: New York City.
Because of the violent White overreaction to the murder of Whites in Aztlan and New Africa, all Blacks and Mestizos will end up south of those borders and all Whites who don't head north will be killed. I do not foresee anything of that sort occurring with Jews, but they are likely to find themselves singularly unwelcome in what remains of America.
The region which is left, including portions of Canada, is what I think of as "New America." New America will be bounded on the west by the Pacific Ocean, to the north by the far reaches of Canada's Yukon, to the east by New Israel and to the south by Aztlan, New Africa and the Gulf of Mexico along the current Texan coastline.
New America likely will stretch right through the Great Lakes region, incidentally, and encompass much of northern New England, as well, giving it an Atlantic coastline. The people of Maine, New Hampshire and northern Vermont are, for example, much more akin to those in the western United States than those in the Boston - New York - Washington, DC nexus. Eastern Canada could feel compelled to join, as well, simply to ensure its self preservation in a hostile world.
Thus, New America becomes pretty much a White European homeland, with its borders imposed upon it by others, in the main. Only the presence of Jews may be problematic and, by far, may prove to be the single most difficult task confronting New America, even in the face of all the chaos, death and destruction caused by and on behalf of Zionists throughout the world. This moral dilemma will prove so difficult, in fact, that I believe it likely to cause a further split of the eastern region, with the smaller portion going to those who demand ethnic purity by exclusion of all Jews.
There are rumors of agents of the Israel Defense Force (IDF) buying up huge swaths of land in southern Argentina, where monstrous sheep and cattle ranches have been on the market in recent years at rock-bottom prices. This makes me think that Israel has a fall-back plan should it need to exit the Middle East altogether and in the event that America also becomes inhospitable. Thus, it is possible that we would see Jews migrating to South America in large numbers, but likely setting up a government that most American Jews would find intolerable.
While I cannot advocate forcing the outright expulsion of any American citizen save those granted their franchise by virtue of their parents illegally entering America for the purpose of having one or more children born into citizenship, certainly I can support the idea of drawing boundary lines and requiring citizens to choose one side or the other so that different political structures can be erected in different states.
New America. An idea whose time has come.
2004-09-15 00:23 | User Profile
Like Ed posted in another post and elsewhere that I read two years ago.
The Jews are buying LARGE parcel of lands all over the world, at this time they are still buying land in Patagonia, Argentina.
The buyers usually consist ot four man and one woman,,,, they never talk to anyone and pretend to be tourist till such a time that they find what they want to buy.
Some day if I can return to Cuba I can assure you that the Jews there will be walking on egg shells, or they will die.
What is going on in the USA will NEVER happen in Cuba if I can help it.
2004-09-15 03:33 | User Profile
Ah, what can one say about Mr Steele's assessments of what's to happen soon to America? I do sense a general collapse coming for sure, but I don't think it's gonna be a clean break. Anyway, come what may and God's will be done.
2004-09-15 05:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Ah, what can one say about Mr Steele's assessments of what's to happen soon to America? I do sense a general collapse coming for sure, but I don't think it's gonna be a clean break. Anyway, come what may and God's will be done.[/QUOTE]
I think that if white people ever get self aware and deeply pissed off, that nobody will be "imposing borders" on them.
If we ever do become self aware, we'll be the ones dictating the terms in North America and Europe.
New Africa? They'll be sent to Old Africa.
Aztlan? South of the Rio Grande with the lot of them.
He might be right about China taking chunks of Russia, but I don't think so. Russia is a major nuclear power and it just wouldn't be worth it. That said, I do think China will seek to ressurect the Empire of Kublai Khan, which encompassed all of Central Asia and of coure Mongolia. Those areas are so vast that China will be kept busy assimilating them as it reverts to its historical navel gazing. I don't think China will attack Vietnam - that just doesn't seem to work out very well for anybody! Same for Japan. The Chinese will settle for their historic "hegemon" status with those countries. They recognize Chinese preeminence, and basically cease having a foreign policy, pay a little tribute, and they'll be left alone.
I don't see Eastern Europe erupting into ethnic hate. The Europeans have an emerging identity as Europeans, and given a little time I think they'll manage their differences in that larger entity. The real emotion in Europe is driven by non-white immigration. There is some resistance to large influxes of Eastern Europeans into Western Europe, but I think that's transitory. America proved that all European Christians can easily assimilate into each other, and ultimately few care so long as their national identity is respected in terms of language and so forth. It's the truly foreign elements that cause the dangerous resentment, like the Jews and Gypsies, and of course the Muslims. They will have to be deported en masse.
Strong nationalist identity parties are rising in Europe - if the Crunch comes, then they'll come to the fore.
Which is why we need the Crunch!
Walter
2004-09-15 16:50 | User Profile
In general i tend to agree, but as for the deep south, i think he is too quick to write things off. Whites are much better armed. The wild card would be any UN or Fed gvt intervention. In short, the devil is in the details, but trouble is coming. Just a matter of when, not if.
2004-09-16 05:26 | User Profile
Please, it is embarrassing to read such optimistic forecasts re: the coming [inexorable] collapse of the American empire. It will go with a whimper, not a bang. If there is a bit of resistance from the minority white population down in the South they will be alot like the stubborn farmers of Zimbabwe or South Africa and will meet a similar violent demise. What is most insidious in this collapse is that as the decline becomes more apparent to the white Europeans, they become even more isolating and consumed with their own immediate benefit. As for the Jews, well, just like in Brazil they will be safely within their gated communities.
2004-09-16 10:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]Please, it is embarrassing to read such optimistic forecasts re: the coming [inexorable] collapse of the American empire. It will go with a whimper, not a bang. If there is a bit of resistance from the minority white population down in the South they will be alot like the stubborn farmers of Zimbabwe or South Africa and will meet a similar violent demise. What is most insidious in this collapse is that as the decline becomes more apparent to the white Europeans, they become even more isolating and consumed with their own immediate benefit. As for the Jews, well, just like in Brazil they will be safely within their gated communities.[/QUOTE]
Don't count us out quite yet, Jack.
I think there are some surprises out there on the distant horizon.
So much depends on this war. I'm hoping for the reinstitution of the draft, such that every American family will have a stake in paying the neo-Kahns' tab. And may the tab be ruinously high. An ignominious defeat in this war after thousands of casualties, a bankrupted Treasury and a dollar trading for 100 to the Euro might just be enough of a cattle prod to our collective arse that we'll remember who our Founders were.
Maybe. If not, then what the hell we gave it a try.
I'm staking the farm on Ygg's scenario, which I freely admit contains a significant element of wishful thinking. But hey, if it's all we got, and if defeat means the same slavery and loss either way, then why not go for it?
Walter
2004-09-16 11:12 | User Profile
You wrote that "a lot depends on this war",,,,,,,,well, to me a war in when two army's fight each other and not when the people on one country is fighting the invading army of an outside invader.
If you were to call this a "war" then you could also call what is happening in Palestine a war.
The Zionist of Sharon already stated that he will no longer follow the so called peace road,,,,,,,, so the open killing of the Palestinian people is now in affect, with the aproval of the US.
2004-09-16 13:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]You wrote that "a lot depends on this war",,,,,,,,well, to me a war in when two army's fight each other and not when the people on one country is fighting the invading army of an outside invader.
If you were to call this a "war" then you could also call what is happening in Palestine a war.
The Zionist of Sharon already stated that he will no longer follow the so called peace road,,,,,,,, so the open killing of the Palestinian people is now in affect, with the aproval of the US.[/QUOTE]
This is the War to Make the World Safe for Israel, at least that's what our Marxist overlords want it to be.
It's also the New Crusade Against Islam, but only a few people have figured that one out yet.
2004-09-16 13:33 | User Profile
Walter, most certainly, this war in the Middle East for Israel is a fight against Islam. It is a continuing fight by the Armies of NWO to completely crush any form of uppity nationalism in any country, save China. Moreover, the Zionist NWO really wants to diminish and ultimately wipe out religious fundamentalism of any sort, sorta like NWO has already done in most Western nations.
I can't see how the godless armies of Zion can defeat a people who openly claim to be fighting for God and submitting to their God's will, come what may. This is why Islam will not be defeated....because like it or not, the Muslims (in their lands) are fighting with TRUTH on their side.
If the West was truly Christian and not a laborer for Judea, we'd be helping the Arab nations build things not annhilating them.
As for the Collapse of America and the White man's fate, I think that our best hope is that the slowly building resistance to immigration and multiculturalism in Europe will pick up steam and develop into an ethnic purging of our ancestral lands. If that happens, we'll have a place to go, because for the United States, like E. Steele says in his writings above, the Balkanization of America is pretty much our destiny and I can't see it being nothing but ugly, ugly, ugly.
It's the Dawn of the Brazilian States of Amerikwa.
2004-09-16 16:37 | User Profile
You don't have to be a Muslim in order to fight to the end for your land,,,,
All you have to do is to look at Vietnam, farmers with only firearms overcame the strongest army in the world,,,,,
Like I keep saying "The secret weapon of a country is not their weapons of mass destruction but it's people".
"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark",,, Ponce
2004-09-16 18:25 | User Profile
xmetalhead,
[QUOTE]If the West was truly Christian and not a laborer for Judea, we'd be helping the Arab nations build things not annhilating them.[/QUOTE]
One need not be pro Islam or complicit in savagery to establish credentials as a good Christian. Certainly by merely neutrality, one would operate under the Hippocratic oath. Nevertheless, the behavior of dispensational Zionists, who claim themselves to be believing Christians, share the blame as blood drops from their hand.
It just goes to prove how systemic the problem of valid self interest has fallen. While the eventual is logical, the hair just grows more gray, waiting for the delayed. The race to drain the taxpayer intensifies - look at your recent property tax; while the outflow of funny money to fuel the expansion of greater Israel swells.
The question for those ââ¬Ëso calledââ¬â¢ Christians - what did your tolerance beget, when you worship wearing a skull cap? :caiphas:
SARTRE
2004-09-16 18:47 | User Profile
Sartre, Yes, I agree. Thanks.
2004-09-17 19:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Walter, most certainly, this war in the Middle East for Israel is a fight against Islam. It is a continuing fight by the Armies of NWO to completely crush any form of nationalism in any country[/QUOTE] They fear anything that opposes internationalism. They would like to standardize us all.
2004-09-20 14:46 | User Profile
I'm afraid I must take issue with Steele's vision of the shape of things to come, as I do with similar White nationalist apocalyptic wet dreams. There's really very little solid evidence of any catastrophic Big Crash in the foreseeable future, and even if the amerikan economy were to implode overnight, historical precedent shows us that we can't expect the masses to suddenly embrace White nationalism as a response. Consider the Crash of 1929 and the Depression that followed, which was the single most disastrous economic event in our history. The only radical political movements that gained any ground were leftist in nature, finally trickling upward to coalesce into widespread support for FDR's sustained orgasm of enforced collectivization. The few rightists (ranging in temperament from Father Coughlin to America First) were quickly and easily brushed aside, and are now reviled by mainstream historians, who are the only ones to remember them at all. Yes, the Klan was still in full swing, but it was coasting on the historical inertia of its glory years, and was already on the long slide downhill to irrelevance.
Steele's version of nuclear war is a bit inconsistent (Ottawa is leveled by an atomic blast, yet somehow NYC survives), and a bit hard to justify (why would our international enemies bother nuking us when the already-weakened amerika he describes could be so easily pushed aside by conventional power politics?). Though fanatic ideological states like North Korea can't be counted out, nuclear war simply isn't worth the mess to most of our adversaries. I must admit that, though the concept of Israel as a gamma-irradiated skating rink has a certain -- dare I say it? -- Old Testament symmetry, the odds against "traditional" (i.e., non-terrorist) atomic attacks on amerikan soil have been steadily rising since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. Barring the unforeseeable historical spike, nuclear war is as unlikely as sudden economic collapse to be a trigger to the widespread social upheaval to which many White nationalists look forward with yearning.
This is not to say that I believe amerika in its present form can long survive, only that its death will not be sudden and clean. As I see it, the economy will simply continue its steady, gradual decline, with no dramatically seismic black hole. Continued "Aztlan"-style Mexican incursion into the southwest will finally increase to the point at which the Media Lords will no longer be able to keep White resentment under control. At the same time, our native-born darkies' federally-emboldened arrogance and rapacity will rise to heights that will make today's atrocities seem in retrospect like a Kumbaya songfest. Already, White nationalism -- though still a tiny, noisy movement with little effective leadership and less money -- has grown far beyond what even the most optimistic among us would have thought possible in, say, 1980. Very, very slowly, the more independent-minded are getting the message; the snowball has begun to roll. And in the darkie-dominated (though not outnumbered) amerika that's coming, the long-simmering kettle of White resentment will reach its long-delayed boiling point.
I see a gradual but accelerating level of openly racial violence, slowly swelling into out-and-out (though unacknowledged by the governmedia) racial conflict. As the southwest becomes genuinely Mexican -- first [I]de facto[/I], then [I]de jure[/I] -- the savagery of the coloreds in the remaining parts of amerika will rise exponentially, aided and abetted by the Usual Suspects. The violence will grow beyond the ability of local police forces to suppress it, and some White amerikans will begin fighting back. As it becomes obvious that the central government can no longer effectively stop them, the level of retributory violence from Whites will grow, as will the confidence of those who wield it. The lid will finally be off as White resentment, stoked for decades by our masters in government and media finds its outlet at last. The Imperium dimly senses this coming, and is furiously racing to disarm Whites before it can become reality, not understanding -- as usual -- that it's already too late.
During this period and its immediate prologue, many Whites will be moving to northerly climes -- I agree with Steele's choice of northern New England and the Great Lakes region as the most likely target -- where they will at least be among others of their own kind as the level of violence rises. Once they are no longer free to act with impunity against the White majority, many of the darkies who are able to do so will flee to the southwesterly, Mexican-controlled areas. The ones who remain will be slowly decimated by the growing White resistance. It will not be a pleasant period for anyone.
The Oriental populations of the west coast, I think, are far more likely to become allies of the Whites than victims -- however much the more gung-ho White nationalists would like to believe otherwise.
As Yoda says, ââ¬ÅHard to see is the future ââ¬â always in motion.ââ¬Â But this, given the continuation of current trends, is my personal view on the way things will play out. No Great Economic Collapse, no overnight folding of the house-of-cards amerikan government while joyful White nationalists flood the streets carrying torches and screaming "White Power!," no nuclear war. Just a gradual crumbling, probably over several decades, in which much blood will flow as the seeds that our masters have sown for so long take root and blossom. Amerika isnââ¬â¢t going to end with either a bang or a whimper, but a long, drawn-out scream seems increasingly likely.
Lest anyone get the wrong idea: No, I'm [I][B]not[/I][/B] looking forward to [I]any[/I] of this. And, in fact, I still cherish a slowly-dwindling hope that it can be somehow avoided. But that's beginning to look more and more like wishful thinking, and I'm already making plans to change my address to a location where the winters are white and so are the neighbors. I advise any thinking Whites to do the same -- and to quietly stock up on all the ammunition and emergency supplies you can afford. When the police can no longer protect you, it'll be [I]your[/I] responsibility.
It's going to be a long, unpleasant night. And only the best and brightest among us are going to see the dawn.
2004-09-21 19:39 | User Profile
[quote=arkady]...with little effective leadership...
I'll say! I've seen cholera victims who had their sh*t together more than what passes for "leadership" in WN circles, which makes the growth of the idea all the more extraordinary. I suspect that the strides WN and similar philosophies have made are more due to the increasing numbers of Whites no longer able to ignore reality. It also makes you wonder how far along WN could be if the higher echelons of the movement were in any way competent.
2004-09-22 05:42 | User Profile
Arkady:
Great post.
If you believe Ygg's take on things, then the downturn we're facing is much, much larger than 1929.
This has to do with Elliot Wave Theory notions of a convergence of three (I think) downward waves, including one that is a sort of gargantuan "mega millenial" wave - the same one that destroyed the Roman Empire and launched the Crusades.
Yeah, I know, it sounds far fetched, and I remain sceptical, but there are a lot of people (including Ygg himself) who make their living using this Elliot Wave stuff and it's hard to argue with success.
Anyway, if that's true (a big if, to be sure) then we might just get the catastrophe.
Also, if you haven't done so please read Tainter's "Collapse of Complex Societies." I think that Tainter explains well the factors that make colapse sudden and catastrophic as Ygg foresees, or the "long, drawn out scream" that you foresee. I think that Tainter's analysis indicates a sudden and catastrophic collapse.
Hey, it happened several times in recent years, including Yugoslavia and the USSR. Both just fractured along ethnic lines overnight. One day those two countries were here, the next they weren't. It happened there, it can happen here.
Walter