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Thread ID: 14991 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2004-09-13
2004-09-13 10:13 | User Profile
" The Los Angeles Times checked with Killian's former commander, the retired Guard general whom a CBS executive had said would be the "trump card" in corroborating its charges. But it turns out CBS had only read Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges the purported memos on the phone, and did not trouble to show them to him. Hodges now says he was "misled" - he thought the memos were handwritten - and believes the machine-produced "documents" to be forgeries. (CBS accuses the officer of changing his story.)
The L.A. Times also checked out a handwriting analyst, Marcel Matley (of Vincent Foster suicide-note fame), who CBS had claimed vouched for the authenticity of four memos. It turns out he vouches for only one signature, and no scribbled initials, and has no opinion about the typography of any of the supposed memos.
The Dallas Morning News looked into the charge in one of the possible forgeries dated Aug. 18, 1973, that a commander of a Texas Air Guard squadron was trying to "sugar coat" Bush's service record. It found that the commander had retired from the Guard 18 months before that.
The Associated Press focused on the suspicion first voiced by a blogger on the Web site Freerepublic.com about modern "superscripts" that include a raised th after a number. CBS, on the defense, claimed that "some models" of typewriters of the 70's could do that trick, and some Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House included it.
"That superscript, however," countered The A.P., "is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos." It consulted the document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., and reported "she could testify in court that, beyond a reasonable doubt, her opinion was that the memos were written on a computer."
The Washington Post reported Dan Rather's response to questions about the documents' authenticity: "Until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill" and questioned the critics' "motivation."
After leading with that response, Post media reporter Howard Kurtz noted that the handwriting expert Matley said that CBS had asked him not to give interviews, and that an unidentified CBS staff member who had examined the documents saw potential problems with them: "There's a lot of sentiment that we should do an internal investigation."
Newsweek (which likes the word "discredited") has apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."
Read the whole story: [url]http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,317834,00.html[/url]
2004-09-13 11:04 | User Profile
More challenges about whether Bush documents are authentic
Lies,Lies, and more Lies by the main stream media against Bush. They want you to hate Bush and therefore to help put Kerry in the White House. Stop being the ksoher media's pawns!
" AUSTIN, Texas ââ¬â The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service record shows.
An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18, 1973.
That added to mounting questions about the authenticity of documents that seem to suggest Bush sought special treatment as a pilot, failed to carry out a superior's order to undergo a physical exam and was suspended from flying for failing to meet Air National Guard standards.
Staudt, who lives in New Braunfels, Texas, did not return calls seeking comment. His discharge paper was among documents obtained by The Morning News from official sources during 1999 research into Bush's Guard record.
A CBS staffer stood by the story, suggesting Staudt could have continued to exert influence over Guard officials. But a former high-ranking Guard official disputed that, saying retirement would have left Staudt powerless.
Authenticity of the memo and three others included in Wednesday's "60 Minutes" report came in for heavy criticism yesterday, prompting an unusual, on-air defense of the original work. Experts on typography said the memos appeared to have been computer-drafted on equipment not available at the time. "
[url]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationalpolitics/2002032742_bushguard11.html[/url]
2004-09-15 03:49 | User Profile
Not a problem. I respect my vote too much to vote for either one of these incompetents.
2004-09-15 20:45 | User Profile
"Kerrys Paid Just 12% in Federal Income Taxes in 2003 Massachusetts Senator paid skimpy tax bill despite calls for rich to "pay their share"
WASHINGTON, D.C. - John Kerry has repeatedly called for increasing taxes on the "wealthy" so the affluent "pay their fair share" for the "common good." Ironically, John and Theresa Heinz Kerry, who comprise one the richest families in the world, pay relatively little income tax.
Last year, John Kerry and his wife paid just 12% of their combined income in income taxes, despite their assertion that the rich should contribute increased amounts to government coffers. In contrast, President and Mrs. Bush, who had a substantially lower income than the Kerry's, paid over 28% in taxes.
"John Kerry wants other Americans to pay higher taxes while he and his wife manage to pay a rate lower than most of the middle class," said ATR President Grover Norquist. "Apparently, the Kerrys think everyone else should pay higher taxes but them."
In addition to finding loopholes and write-offs to decrease his taxes, John Kerry has declined to pay a small, voluntary tax in his home state. The Massachusetts state income tax code contains a provision allowing payers to contribute an extra .6% of their income to benefit the commonwealth. Kerry has consistently failed to pay the extra money, which would have amounted to $687 dollars last year.
"John Kerry thinks other hardworking Americans should pay more taxes while he and his billionaire wife pay as little as possible," continued Norquist. "The hypocrisy John Kerry shows on his own tax return is not indicative of the character and judgment America needs in our President."
[url]http://www.atr.org/pressreleases/2004/pr-kerrystaxes-9-7-04.htm[/url]
Anyone that can not see the difference between Bush and Kerry ...
2004-09-16 09:31 | User Profile
So the balance of the election hangs on whether or not an unknown entity tried to discredit Bush by using a new typewriter for forgery??? Hmm...looks like the same old game: SPY vs. SPY or:caiphas: vs. :caiphas:
2004-09-16 14:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Anyone that can not see the difference between Bush and Kerry ...[/QUOTE]
On this issue true enough. Unfortunately, they have far too many areas of agreement like immigration and the Middle East. There is far more to this than taxes.
2004-09-16 15:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]"Kerrys Paid Just 12% in Federal Income Taxes in 2003 Massachusetts Senator paid skimpy tax bill despite calls for rich to "pay their share"[/QUOTE]
That reminds me of Perot who had produced a poll saying that most people who responded wanted higher taxes to help pay off the national debt. The trouble with the poll is that none of the options allowed anyone to object to a tax increase. The other problem with the poll is that billionair Ross Perot was also paying only single-digit income tax rates.
This screw-the-middle-class is compounded eve more by the fact that these rich guys pay nearly nothing in payroll taxes while the rest of America is soaked with payroll taxes.
The difference between Kerry and Bush? Neither will do anything to get the government off the backs of the white middle-class. Any tax increases on the rich Kerry supports will be offset by new loopholes so his friends can keep their low tax rates.
2004-09-16 16:49 | User Profile
What is the "difference" between Bush and Kerry????? hummmmmm!!!!!!!!!.
Well, I don't know anything about politics but I do konw what I see and what I see Bush doing I DON'T LIKE, can it get any worse than that??????
Up till now there are only two things that I don't like about Kerry,,,,,one, he said that he will keep on supporting the Jews,,,,and two, he wants to disarm America.
AYYYYYY MAMA, maybe Kerry is worse,,,,, at least with weapons we will be able to defend ourselves from the Jews.
PS: By saying Jews I mean from those who will be pushed from behind by the Jews in order to harm the American people and they are doing in Iraq. We are better armed than the Palestinians.
2004-09-17 04:15 | User Profile
Happy Hacker,
Very true. [QUOTE]The difference between Kerry and Bush? Neither will do anything to get the government off the backs of the white middle-class. Any tax increases on the rich Kerry supports will be offset by new loopholes so his friends can keep their low tax rates. [/QUOTE]
2004-09-17 08:32 | User Profile
Proof that the Jews want Bush gone: They've tasked Gabrielle with defending him....
2004-09-17 23:49 | User Profile
Jews want Bush gone? Not according to this article (read carefully):
The most powerful Lobby in Washington, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, is holding their yearly conference, and a Jewish Telegraphic Agency report offers some insight into the level of corruption that it represents.
[B]Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) introduced Bush by calling him the greatest friend of Israel the world has ever had, and received a standing ovation.[/B]
The JTA reports: "Bush is something of a [B]messiah[/B] to those attending the conference in Washington. The very mention of his name or the sight of his image on video screens prompts thunderous rounds of applause and standing ovations."
JTA: "Don Shein disagrees with President Bush on the environment. He disagrees with Bush on stem-cell research. And he disagrees with Bush on abortion. [B]But he's voting for Bush anyway[/B]. For Shein, a financial adviser from Baltimore, the election is about only one thing: Israel."
Some AIPAC members and supporters informed the JTA that [B]Kerry did not properly enunciate his pro-Israel credentials in his recent speech to the Anti-Defamation League, and needs to do more to show that he would back Israel to the same extent that Bush has.[/B]
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2894[/url]
2004-09-19 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Happy Hacker,
Very true.[/QUOTE]
The white middle class supports this country through taxes. With the exporting of jobs, which were previously held by the middle class, who then will support the government. More and more our political leaders are becoming the pawns of just not domestic interests, but foreign interests as well. I believe the illegal alien question, and the war in Iraq have shown this to be true. On the one hand, we commit our forces to combat a non-belligerent and once friendly people, and on the other we refuse to commit our forces to protect our borders.
2004-09-19 19:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]That reminds me of Perot who had produced a poll saying that most people who responded wanted higher taxes to help pay off the national debt. The trouble with the poll is that none of the options allowed anyone to object to a tax increase. The other problem with the poll is that billionair Ross Perot was also paying only single-digit income tax rates.
This screw-the-middle-class is compounded eve more by the fact that these rich guys pay nearly nothing in payroll taxes while the rest of America is soaked with payroll taxes.
The difference between Kerry and Bush? Neither will do anything to get the government off the backs of the white middle-class. Any tax increases on the rich Kerry supports will be offset by new loopholes so his friends can keep their low tax rates.[/QUOTE] Years ago I worked for an accounting company who prepared taxes for some fairly well known people. I was in a position to view the returns, and let me tell you, there were people who were making a half-million a year paid little or no income tax. While others were paying middle class taxes with upper class incomes. All of this was within the law. The whole think disgusted me.