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2004-09-01 01:57 | User Profile
**[u]American Death Camps: The History of Abortion
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This portion of the Death Camps tour looks at the history of holocaust. By comparing Germany's Nazi holocaust and America's abortion holocaust you'll see there is practically no difference between the mindset of holocaust then and now. As with slavery in early America, killing Jews in Nazi Germany, or killing babies in America today -- just because something is legal does not make it right. So how do you get a country to allow humans to be treated worse than animals? You use euphemisms to convince people that these actions are justifiable, or even beneficial.
Abortion advocates and America's largest Death Camp operator, Planned Parenthood, have elevated the dehumanization of holocaust victims to an art form with their 'pro-choice' rhetoric. But those who side with the pro-choice crowd may be shocked by the racial slurs and elitist ideals of Planned Parenthood's celebrated founder, Margaret Sanger. As you'll see, her words and goals bear an eerie similarity to the words and ideas of the Nazis. Let's begin by looking at the famous Nazi Death Camp doctor who graduated from killing Jews to killing babies.
[u]The Angel of Death[/u]
Dr. Josef Mengele was the most active of the SS doctors at Auschwitz, the infamous Nazi concentration camp. Present at the arrival of all the transports, Mengele oversaw the selection and cremation of thousands of murder victims at Auschwitz. His name was known and feared throughout the camp. Several accounts of camp survivors depict Mengele as killing in a dispassionate, medical way "as though he were performing regular surgeryââ¬Â¦ without showing any emotion at all."
Mengele routinely conducted experiments on humans, the most famous of which were conducted on twins selected on the unloading platforms of Auschwitz. At the end of the experiments, Mengele simply injected chloroform directly into the hearts of many of these twins. After the war, Josef Mengele practiced medicine in Buenos Aires in the 1950's. He "had a reputation as a specialist in abortions," which were illegal at the time. Mengele was arrested after he killed a girl in his abortion clinic, but an Argentine judge released him. Mengele was never extradited and presumably died in Chile in 1979.
But Mengele wasn't the only one. Vilis Kruze was a former SS officer who after the war worked as an abortionist for Kaiser Permenente in Ohio and Hawaii. It seems you can take the doctor out of the killing camp, but you can't take the killing camp out of the doctor.
[u]"Safe and Legal"[/u]
Today, abortion is justified by claiming the killing of babies is "safe and legal." Dr. Michael Jackson, an abortionist and clinic owner said, "I just go by what the courts say. I only do what's legal." These were the same justifications used by doctors who participated in the massacre of millions at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B, the poison gas used to kill the Jews, was seen as helping to alleviate suffering and permit "humane killing".
At Nuremberg, numerous Nazi doctors and killers said they were innocent because they had broken no law. "The jurists in Berlin told us this was a legal matter," testified Walter Schmidt, "quite legal." According to an expert on Auschwitz, "The Nazis committed no crime at Auschwitz since no law or political order protected those who were condemned."
In fact, the legality itself helped to distance the killers from the killing - if it was legally ordered or at least permitted, then the killing was someone else's fault. At the trial held for nurses who injected infants and children with lethal substances, the heart of their defense of was that the killing was carried out in conformity of the existing laws. The defense claimed that "these people were only carrying out the laws of the land" and "the accused did not act wrongly because they were covered by law."
[u]Talking the Talk[/u]
The euphemisms used by Nazis and abortion advocates are eerily similar. Death camps were called "relocation centers" in Nazi Germany and Nazi Occupied Europe. Death camps are called "reproductive health centers" in modern America. The Jews were described as a "parasitic race" by Hitler, while the unwanted child is described "a mere parasite" by Planned Parenthood. The end result then was "termination" of the Jews and the end result now is "termination of pregnancy."
**[u]The Nazi Spin[/u]**
In the Nazi death camps the victims were labeled "useless eaters," "human ballast", "a mentally dead person," etc. Genetic counselors and physicians who referred for extermination were called, "protectors of the family." Those sentenced to die were "life unworthy of life." The killing was advocated for the "health of the people," being described as "purely a healing treatment" and a "healing work". The bodies of the murdered Auschwitz inmates were referred to as "garbage." Jews were repeatedly referred to as a "disease," for which extermination was the "cure" or "final solution."
German Physicians referred to the killing of handicapped children as a "surgical operation" and killing hyperactive children was a called a "cure." The first panel to decide which children would be executed and which were not was called the "Committee for the Scientific Registration of Serious Hereditary and Congenital Diseases." The first killing centers were called "Children's Specialty Institutions" and "Therapeutic Convalescent Institutions."
In the initial killing programs of Nazi Germany, mentally deficient children were killed only after acquiring parental consent. One Nazi doctor that killed children by gradual sedation and then over-dose said, "there was no killing strictly speakingââ¬Â¦ people felt this is not murder, it is a putting-to-sleep." Killing patients was referred to as giving "special treatment" - both in the case of mentally ill patients and later of the Jews as a whole. Zyklon-B, the poison used to kill mass numbers of Jews, was referred to as "medicine."
**[u]The Pro-choice Spin[/u]**
Note the commonality language between the Nazi positions and the claims of abortionists and today's "pro-choice" supporters. In Nazi Germany, the killing of Jews was not against the law, the killing centers were "medical centers" that the killers were "doctors" and the killing was done in the name of promoting "health." In pro-choice America, the killing of babies is not against the law, the killing is done at "medical clinics", the killers are "doctors" and abortion is called a women's "health" issue.
In America's death camps the victim is usually called a "fetus," but they have also been called "unseen infections," "a sexually transmitted disease" and "a cancerous growth". Abortion supporters have stated that abortion is the "preferred treatment" for "unwanted pregnancy: the number two sexually transmitted disease" and "an aborted baby is just garbage."
Abortion is commonly referred to as a mere "procedure" or "minor surgical operation" and abortionists are often called "service providers." Compare this to the Nazi death squads called "special service groups". The IRS lists Planned Parenthood and other abortion clinic operators as "charitable organizations" engaged in "promoting health." Compare this to the official name of the Nazi organization for implementing euthanasia, the "Charitable Foundation for Institutional Care."
**[u]Like-minded Lingo[/u]**
In 1943, Himmler referred to the killing of Jews as having "exterminated a germ," and abortion advocate Natalie Shainess justifies abortion by claiming that the unwanted pregnancy is merely "an alien germ."
Former Auschwitz physician Dr. Fritz Klein made the analogy between the massacre of Jews and "a good doctor" who "takes a scalpel and removes an appendix full of pus." He went on to say, "The Jews are the pus-filled appendix in the body of Europe." Similarly, abortion advocate Dr. Alan Guttmacher likened the destruction of the fetus to "operating on an appendix or removing a gangrenous bowel."
Under the Nazi regime, the term "special treatment" was used euphemistically for Jews and others to be exterminated. Today, the medical establishment (AMA, American Academy of Pediatrics, etc.) refers to abortion as the physicians duty "to provide care and treatment" for unwanted pregnancies.
Block 20 at Auschwitz, where "experiments" were "terminated" with a lethal injection of phenol to the heart, was known by both inmates and doctors as the "treatment room." The room in abortion clinics where the abortion is actually committed is commonly known as the "procedure room."
[u]The Hypocrite Oath[/u]
Although only twenty doctors were brought to trial at Nuremberg for experimenting on human guinea pigs, the holocaust allowed a limitless supply of human victims. Hundreds, if not thousands, of German doctors actively experimented on Jews and other prisoners in Nazi Germany. Methods of sterilization were experimented with from injections that caused infections of the ovaries, to x-ray burning of reproductive organs. Pre-cancerous growths of cervices were induced and studied.
In addition, the tissue and organs of victims were frequently harvested for further experimentation. The same, of course, is going on in America today. Abortion clinics supply the medical establishment a virtually endless supply of human tissue that would otherwise be unavailable. Pharmaceutical companies and research hospitals all pay top dollar for organs, limbs and tissue from aborted fetuses.
[u]Hitler Was Pro-choice[/u]
In 1933, when the Nazi's came to power, the law was changed to legalize abortion and make this a matter of decision for a medical review board. The development of Germany's abortion policy was left to the county's most vociferous abortion advocacy group, the Berlin Chamber of Physicians. This group, which advocated abortion on demand, determined that "The health of the mother - considered from all angles - is the decisive factor." Then, just as now, health of the mother criterion was loosely understood to mean any economic or psychological affect on the woman's total well being.
There were approximately 500,000 abortions annually in Germany under the Third Reich, a country of 60 to 70 million people. And, in Nazi Germany, racial stock was considered an aspect of the health of the mother. If she was from an "unhealthy" race, such as Polish, Czech or Jewish, then she was often forced to have an abortion against her will. However, race wasn't the only consideration. Hitler actively promoted the destruction of the crippled, poor and unemployed classes, as did Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood. Abortion led to forced sterilization, which led to "euthanasia," which led to Auschwitz.
[u]Meet Margaret Sanger Founder of Planned Parenthood[/u]
Margaret Sanger, the alcoholic and Demerol addict who spawned the International Planned Parenthood Federation, was a proponent of forced eugenics, segregation, abortion, birth control and sexual immorality. Here are some of her quotes.
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro populationââ¬Â¦" Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"Eugenics is ââ¬Â¦ the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' [is] the greatest present menace to civilizationââ¬Â¦ the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplyingââ¬Â¦ a dead weight of human wasteââ¬Â¦ an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"The procreation of [the diseased, the feeble-minded and paupers] should be stopped."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children..."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"[Mandatory] sterilization for [the insane and feeble-minded] is the answer."
**Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood**
"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization." Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby Code that states, "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a childââ¬Â¦ without a permit for parenthood".
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the Population Congress with the aim, "...to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization."
"As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our outrageous and our courageous leader, we will probably find a number of areas in which we may find more about Margaret Sanger than we thought we wanted to know..." Faye Wattleton, Past-president of Planned Parenthood ** [u]Death Camp Madness[/u]**
The railroad platform at Treblinka, where the Nazi holocaust victims were singled out for death, had flower beds that gave the area a "a neat and cheery look." Today, abortion clinics use plants and bold colors to create a "cheerful and anxiety-free environment."
An inmate orchestra provided tangos, jazz and waltzes as the victims were dispatched to the "shower rooms" of Auschwitz. Soothing music is piped into most waiting rooms and "procedure rooms" of abortion clinics.
According to an Auschwitz survivor, 17,280 corpses were disposed of "per twenty four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night." According to a former abortionist, "From eight in the morning until midnight, seven days a week, doctors working in ten operating rooms performed vacuum aspirations on an endless parade of pregnant wombs." (Vacuum aspiration is a type of abortion.)
An Auschwitz gassing technician stated that, "I had no feelings carrying out these things." One abortionist stated that, "I never had any psychological adverse reaction, except for an occasional feeling that one was destroying life."
[u]Birth Control Madness[/u]
Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League, which later became Planned Parenthood, published a magazine called Birth Control Review. Here are some quotes from their magazine. The ideas expressed by this group, along with the statements of Margaret Sanger cited above, promote a scheme that seeks to make race or class the determining factor in the use of birth control and abortion. Was Planned Parenthood's founder a racist who taught that some races or classes are superior, while other races or classes are inherently inferior, or was she just an elitist femi-nazi? The quotes here and above reveal the answer.
"Not only is it our task to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks; it is also to preserve the well-endowed stocks."
"ââ¬Â¦ in the interest of social progress or the permanence even of civilization, the intellectual classes should have more children."
"Our most pressing problem is to increase the birth rate from the superior and decrease that from the inferior."
"The Aryan stock today is the most given to birth control and it must see that it does not suffer internationally by the relative ignorance of inferior stocks."
"ââ¬Â¦ it would also lead to racial improvement to sterilize even those feeble-minded who do not necessarily fall in the hereditary group."
"Womanhood shakes off its bondage. It asserts its right to be free. In its freedom, its thoughts turn to the race. Like begets like. We gather perfect fruit from perfect trees. The race is but the amplification of its mother body - the multiplication of flesh habitations - beautified and perfected for souls akin to the mother soul."
[u]R U a Nazi? RU-468?[/u]
When the Nazis switched from machine-gunning their victims in large mass graves to marching their victims through gas chambers at Auschwitz, the gas that they employed was a chemical called Zyklon-B. Zyklon-B was developed by a small chemical company owned by IG Farben, a major supplier for Auschwitz and other death camps that funded many of the experiments undertaken by Mengele and other SS doctors. IG Farben profited handsomely because of the increased use of Zyklon-B. IG Farben's name became virtually synonymous with the holocaust and unethical medical experimentation. So, after the war, this company underwent a name change and it became Hoechst AG.
However, a Nazi by another name is still the same and, today, a subsidiary company of Hoechst AG is the developer and main producer of RU-486, the so-called 'abortion pill'. The ghost of IG Farben is still haunting us by allowing killers to again distance themselves from their deeds. But Hoechst AG is not the only chemical profiteer in the abortion industry.
Borrowing from the IG Farben playbook, Upjohn Pharmaceuticals stock prices doubled when it announced the development of a vaginal prostaglandin-suppository marketed specifically for abortion. (It is no longer on the market, because it turned out to be quite dangerous - not only for the babies it was designed to kill, but also for the women who used it.) Searle, the producer of Cytotec, also saw its stock values surge after its product began to be used as an abortifecient. Using chemicals to kill has become big business for pharmaceutical companies - both during the Nazi holocaust and during the abortion holocaust.
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2004-09-01 02:20 | User Profile
Do you know how valuable those experiment were to the Americans? the same as the Japanese experiments? ,,,,,,,,, if it was not for Dr. Mengele the US would still be in the stone age, he did a great service for the USA ( I know, I sound like an Idiot).
Did you know that Herr Hitler was killing those who were inperfect? and do you know where he got this idea from? ,,,,,,well, it was from a Jewish Dr. from NY.
Did you know that many Jews did die because they did not want to go to Palestine?,,,,,, the going price was of only $100.00 per Jew but because they were old or had no money trhey were allowed to die.
The Jews had a deal with Herr Hitler, the Jews gave him all their property and Herr Hiltler was sending the same ammount of machinery, seeds, furnitures and so on to Palestine.,,,,,,did you know that the Jewish flag at one time was flaying right next to the Nazy flag?
Did you know that the Jews declared an economical war against Germany in 1933? it was in the papers world wide.
If you would like some links about the Jews please let me know, the links comes also form the Semitic Jews.
2004-09-01 02:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Do you know how valuable those experiment were to the Americans? the same as the Japanese experiments? ,,,,,,,,, if it was not for Dr. Mengele the US would still be in the stone age, he did a great service for the USA ( I know, I sound like an Idiot). Yes, you do. Without Mengele the US would be in the stone-age? That's just sick and stupid.
Did you know that Herr Hitler was killing those who were inperfect? and do you know where he got this idea from? ,,,,,,well, it was from a Jewish Dr. from NY. Let's see some evidence.
2004-09-01 03:20 | User Profile
My job is not to teach you but only to show you the way,,,,,, I read many many many articles every day and I don't place all of them in my favorite place, however, I will try to find it for you.
I do have a lot of info about the Jews, if you would like to I could Email you a few of them,,,,,,,,,
2004-09-01 22:46 | User Profile
Hadassah,
The kosher practice of comparing Hitler with all of the supposed "wrongs" in society is old and cliched. Had you subsituted Ariel Sharon for the Fuhrer, it would've been more profound.
2004-09-01 22:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Hadassah,
The kosher practice of comparing Hitler with all of the supposed "wrongs" in society is old and cliched. When did I (or anyone else for that matter) compare Hitler with all the supposed "wrongs" in society? And why do you say "supposed"? Do you think abortion-on-demand, infanticide as a method of contraception, is just fine and dandy?
The parallels between the Holocaust and Abortion Industry are unmistakable. You'd need your head buried in the sand, goose-like, to not see these. Also, abortionists and nazis often share a similar pagan ethos that rejects Torah-based morality. Dr. Mengele had no trouble switching from nazi "doctor" to abortion "doctor", because no real switch was needed.
Had you subsituted Ariel Sharon for the Fuhrer, it would've been more profound.[/QUOTE] How so?
2004-09-01 23:12 | User Profile
If Herr Hitler had won the war we would have more peace now days and less wars,,,,,why? simple, he would have gotten rid of all Jews and as you know the Jews are behind 70% of all wars.
The German people were the most advanced people in the world, maybe it was because of the Jews that were working for Germany?,,,,,who knows.
The Germans had the jet place, UFO, antigravity equipment and soooooo much more.
The first thing that the Americans did when Germany lost the war was "Operation Paper Clip"...... this was the plan to bring into the US as many as those as they could that use to work in the new sciences, like Van Broun? the father of rocket ships?.
And of course all the Germans missiles, UFO and death rays were gone in no time at all.
The Russians and England also spirited away many of the same people.
If Germany had won the war we would be today in the 24 century, way ahead of our time.
2004-09-01 23:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]If Herr Hitler had won the war we would have more peace now days and less wars,,,,,why? simple, he would have gotten rid of all Jews and as you know the Jews are behind 70% of all wars. I'm beginning to think you are a troll out to discredit antisemitism.
2004-09-01 23:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]When did I (or anyone else for that matter) compare Hitler with all the supposed "wrongs" in society?[/QUOTE]
In practically any situation in the Western world that is generally considered a negative event, there is always going to be a reference to Hitler and the Nazis, be it subtle or blatant. This comes mostly from the press, which is dominated by either Jews or gentile lackeys.
[QUOTE]And why do you say "supposed"? Do you think abortion-on-demand, infanticide as a method of contraception, is just fine and dandy?[/QUOTE]
Not everyone thinks anything related to abortion is wrong.
[QUOTE]The parallels between the Holocaust and Abortion Industry are unmistakable.[/QUOTE]
You can also include the Palestinian Holocaust, or the German Holocaust by Allied troops at Dresden.
[QUOTE]Also, abortionists and nazis often share a similar pagan ethos that rejects Torah-based morality.[/QUOTE]
Ah, so mankind must adhere to Jewish law, I see.
2004-09-02 00:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]In practically any situation in the Western world that is generally considered a negative event, there is always going to be a reference to Hitler and the Nazis, be it subtle or blatant. This comes mostly from the press, which is dominated by either Jews or gentile lackeys. I haven't noticed as much. Perhaps you do simply because you are always looking for it. The vast majority of news articles, no matter how negative or sensationalistic, make no mention of Hitler or the Nazis.
Not everyone thinks anything related to abortion is wrong.You're proving my point. You can also include the Palestinian Holocaust, or the German Holocaust by Allied troops at Dresden. Why include imaginary events? The "Palestinian" population has been increasing over the past few decades. Not only that, but increasing far faster than the Jewish population in Israel or anywhere. The idea of a "Palestinian Holocaust" is absurd. As for the "German Holocaust" at Dresden, how does bombing a heavily-defended industrial/manufacturing center in time of war constitute a "Holocaust"? Ah, so mankind must adhere to Jewish law, I see.[/QUOTE] Those who reject it tend to degenerate to the level of beasts, until destroying themselves in an orgy of violence and debauchery. Witness the Third Reich.
2004-09-02 00:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]I'm beginning to think you are a troll out to discredit antisemitism.[/QUOTE]
I don't have to do it,,,,,,,read the news every day and you will see that your people are doing that on their own , you are your own worse enemy.
By the way, better a troll or even an SOB than a Jew.
2004-09-02 00:25 | User Profile
Jewish law:
People: Don't lie, cheat, or murder one another. Don't steal from each other.
Honor the Creator, your father and your mother.
Men: keep your penises out of each other's rectums.
Doesn't sound too unreasonable or difficult, no? But Nazis just can't handle it. That's why Nazis always end up losing.
The Third Reich was a disgusting mishmash of homosexuals, murderers, and abortionists, all of whom hated G-d and His People. Why should anyone be surprised that Dresden met the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah?
2004-09-02 01:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah] The "Palestinian" population has been increasing over the past few decades. Not only that, but increasing far faster than the Jewish population in Israel or anywhere. [/QUOTE]
The Jewish poulation increased during WWII and around the time of Hitler's reign. Now isn't that something, considering we're supposed to believe that six million Jews died during that war.
2004-09-02 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]The Jewish poulation [sic] increased during WWII and around the time of Hitler's reign.[/QUOTE] You think anyone is stupid enough to believe that lie?
Jewish population in Europe, before and after the Holocaust:
[url="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/anglo/angap03.htm"]http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/anglo/angap03.htm[/url]
Poland: 1939: 3,351,000 Jews 1946: 80,000 Jews (97.6% less than the original population).
Total of Europe:
1939: **9,946,200 Jews**
1946: **3,833,600 Jews** (native) + 391,000 refugees (**58% less** then the original
population)
2004-09-02 02:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]You think anyone is stupid enough to believe that lie?
Jewish population in Europe, before and after the Holocaust:
[url="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/anglo/angap03.htm"]http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/anglo/angap03.htm[/url]
Poland: 1939: 3,351,000 Jews 1946: 80,000 Jews (97.6% less than the original population).
Total of Europe:
1939: **9,946,200 Jews**
1946: **3,833,600 Jews** (native) + 391,000 refugees (**58% less** then the original
population)[/QUOTE]
Considering that information is coming from Yale University, my assessments are justified.
2004-09-02 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Considering that information is coming from Yale University, my assessments are justified.[/QUOTE] Garbage. The [size=-1] Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry was established in 1945. It, not Yale, produced these figures from hard numbers. Your response is typical of one whose mind (and soul) is closed to the truth. [/size]
2004-09-02 02:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]**[u]American Death Camps: The History of Abortion
[/u]*[u][img]http://www.lifedynamics.com/DeathCamps/Images/Mengele.gif[/img] [/u]* [u] [img]http://www.lifedynamics.com/DeathCamps/Images/sanger3.gif[/img] [/u]**[u] Introduction[/u]
This portion of the Death Camps tour looks at the history of holocaust. By comparing Germany's Nazi holocaust and America's abortion holocaust you'll see there is practically no difference between the mindset of holocaust then and now. As with slavery in early America, killing Jews in Nazi Germany, or killing babies in America today -- just because something is legal does not make it right. So how do you get a country to allow humans to be treated worse than animals? You use euphemisms to convince people that these actions are justifiable, or even beneficial.
Abortion advocates and America's largest Death Camp operator, Planned Parenthood, have elevated the dehumanization of holocaust victims to an art form with their 'pro-choice' rhetoric. But those who side with the pro-choice crowd may be shocked by the racial slurs and elitist ideals of Planned Parenthood's celebrated founder, Margaret Sanger. As you'll see, her words and goals bear an eerie similarity to the words and ideas of the Nazis. Let's begin by looking at the famous Nazi Death Camp doctor who graduated from killing Jews to killing babies. [/QUOTE]Actually Walter Yannis has made the same points as you Hassadah. One of the reasons I suppose a number of people on the forum thought he and others of us were religious fanatics.[quote=Walter Yannis]Margaret Sanger was of Irish extraction. Catholic too, I think. I think that her husband may have been Tribal, but I'm not sure of that.
She was an open Nazi sympathizer, and edited a journal that featured Nazi eugenicist ravings in the 1930's.
Sanger wanted to lock away or sterilize all people, including whites, who didn't meet her exacting standards for racial health. She wanted to create large camps for our fellow citizens who didn't meet her exacting expectations. She wanted to outlaw child birth absent a state license for everybody. Nazi notions, all. Planned Parenthood - the organization founded by Margaret Sanger herself - refuses to renounce Sanger's Nazi views, and thus remains a Nazi organization, at least by way of covert ideology.
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2004-09-02 02:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]Why should anyone be surprised that Dresden met the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah?[/QUOTE] Are you seriously comparing Dresden to Sodom and Gomorrah? Dresden was of no military importance, and its totally unnecessary firebombing killed more civilians than either of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. I think your visceral hatred of the Germans is clouding your judgement.
2004-09-02 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Actually Walter Yannis has made the same points as you Hassadah. One of the reasons I suppose a number of people on the forum thought he and others of us were religious fanatics.[/QUOTE] Yes, I've went through and read many of his posts. We seem to think alike, so I'm dumbfounded as to why he demanded that I pack up and leave America.
2004-09-02 03:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah]Also, abortionists and nazis often share a similar pagan ethos that rejects Torah-based morality.[/QUOTE] Actually, a double standard of treatment of others (depending on whether they are 'in-group' or 'out-group') is quite common in the Torah and especially in the Talmud.
2004-09-02 03:07 | User Profile
Hadassah forgot in her count all those Jews that changed their names in order to hide the fact that they were Jews,,,,, poopoo is poopoo even if you call it popcorn.
2004-09-02 03:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Are you seriously comparing Dresden to Sodom and Gomorrah? There are many parallels. The Nazi government was chock-full of Sodomites and pagans who despised G-d and His law. Hitler presided over a genocidal, abortionist, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian dictatorship. I don't dance with glee when I think about what happened to Dresden. In fact, it's quite a sobering thought.
Dresden was of no military importance, and its totally unnecessary firebombing killed more civilians than either of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. No military importance? I beg to differ. Modern militaries are reliant upon a complex industrial/logistical infrastructure. I'm sure you are aware that Dresden was replete with factories, supply depots, transport and comm grids, and other devices that enabled the Nazis to kill their enemies. The Allies weren't dropping tons of bombs out of mere spite. Generals and commanders don't typically throw away billions in armament for such trivial reasons. No, Dresden was bombed as part of a campaign to cripple the Nazis' ability to wage war. It's not as if the Nazis didn't play dirty. In fact, I'd consider the Holocaust to be considerably dirtier than anything the Allies were up to. I think your visceral hatred of the Germans is clouding your judgement.[/QUOTE] Why do you assume I hate Germans? If Jews were really so hateful and xenophobic, I daresay our intermarriage rates would not be so frightfully high. We could use more xenophobia, not less, if we want to survive as a people. Come to think of it, the same thing is true of White Protestants (and Catholics).
2004-09-02 03:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hadassah] No military importance? I beg to differ. Modern militaries are reliant upon a complex industrial infrastructure. I'm sure you are aware that Dresden was replete with factories, supply depots, transport and comm grids, and other devices that enabled the Nazis to kill their enemies. 'Dresden was widely considered a city of little war-related industrial or [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing"]strategic[/url] importance, though, after the fact, in his memoirs [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill"]Winston Churchill[/url] described it as a "centre of communications of Germany's Eastern Front." Dresden itself was most noted as a cultural centre, with noted architecture in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwinger"]Zwinger[/url] Palace, the Dresden State Opera House and its historic cathedral (the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche"]Frauenkirche[/url]) and other churches. It was also called "Elbflorenz", i.e. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence"]Florence[/url] of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe"]Elbe[/url], due to its stunning beauty. It has been claimed that the bombing was at the request of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union"]Soviet Union[/url], to attack a German armoured division in transit through the city. However, RAF briefing notes indicate that one of the motives was a demonstration of strength for the Soviets. The notes mention a desire to show "the Russians when they arrive, what Bomber Command can do."
At the time, the city was crammed full of refugees fleeing from the advancing [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army"]Red Army[/url].'
-- [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II[/url]
As I stated -- it was of no military importance.
[QUOTE=Hadassah]It's not as if the Nazis didn't play dirty. In fact, I'd consider the Holocaust to be considerably dirtier than anything the Allies were up to. I was wondering when this would come out. I knew it wouldn't be long. Anything done to the Germans is hunky-dory, because of The Holocaust (TM). You know, if you do some checking, you might see that a few million other people got killed during the 20th century, too.
2004-09-02 03:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill] As I stated -- it was of no military importance. How do you get "no military importance" out of "center of communications of Germany's Eastern Front"? Communications are crucial to organized warfare, all the moreso on such a grand scale.
Anything done to the Germans is hunky-dory, because of The Holocaust (TM). Did I say that? I don't like what happened at Dresden. I would not have supported our alliance with the USSR (beyond the temporary and tactical). I agree with General Patton, who advocated the destruction of the Soviet Union after we were finished with the Nazis. However, none of this changes the fact that the Nazis were evil, murderous, pagan Sodomites. You know, if you do some checking, you might see that a few million other people got killed during the 20th century, too.[/QUOTE] This I know. Where have I ever indicated otherwise?
2004-09-02 08:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Why do you assume I hate Germans? If Jews were really so hateful and xenophobic, I daresay our intermarriage rates would not be so frightfully high. We could use more xenophobia, not less, if we want to survive as a people. Come to think of it, the same thing is true of White Protestants (and Catholics).[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and very well said.
Clearly it's healthy for us to view outsiders with a wary suspicion. Just as clearly, such outsiders include especially Jews, given all the tragic history between Jews and gentiles.
But this begs the question as to why you have a problem with my xenophobia?
Please advise.
Walter
2004-09-02 13:59 | User Profile
Margaret Sanger was a sick proponent sexual immorality, but I do not think she could be called a proponent of eugenics and segregation. Yes one can left a good number of un-PC quotes from her, but you can do the same from many on the left, H.G. Wells also said many un-PC things on Race. She was a Woman of the marxist left.
She was a member or supporter of the Liberal Club, the anarchist-run Ferrer Center and Modern School, the Socialist Party, and the Industrial Workers of the World. Her circle of friends included Max Eastman, John Reed, Upton Sinclair, Mabel Dodge and Emma Goldman.
"Sanger separated from her husband, William, in 1914, and in keeping with her private views on sexual liberation, she began a series of affairs with several men, including Havelock Ellis and H.G. Wells. In 1922 she married oil magnate James Noah H. Slee, but did so on her own terms, insuring her financial and sexual independence. Slee, who died in 1943, became the main funder of the birth control movement."
Margaret Sanger [url]http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/AboutMS.htm[/url]
I agree with Robbie for the most part, but the wrongs are not "supposed." They are most real! "The kosher practice of comparing Hitler with all of the supposed "wrongs" in society is old and cliched."- Robbie
2004-09-03 06:11 | User Profile
We should also keep in mind that the abortion industry is dominated by Jewish quacks.
The joy Jews feel for the murder of gentile babies is deeply rooted in Jewish religion. The Kabbalistic (Pagan) Orthodox Jewish tradition teaches that Jewish souls are of the uncreated devine light, whereas gentile souls are wholly created and on par with the souls of animals.
Thus, culpably causing the loss of a Jewish fetus constitutes a criminal act, whereas the same loss of a gentile fetus leads only to civil penalties, if punishable at all.
It was this unspoken Jewish contempt for gentiles - their viewing us gentiles as the moral equivalent of cattle - that was a necessary (although not sufficient) cause in the now solidified American acceptance of the murder of innocent children through abortion.
Here's a quote from Lubovitcher Rebbe Schneerson's take on the animal quality of gentile souls set forth in Israel Shahak's book:
[QUOTE]Rebbe," Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, who headed the Chabad movement and wielded great influence among manv religious Jews in Israel as well as in the United States. Schneerson and his Lubovitch followers are Haredim; nevertheless, they involved themselves in Israel's political life and shared manv concepts with Gush Emunim and the NRP. The ideas of Rabbi Schneerson that appear below are taken from a book of his recorded messages to followers in Israel, titled Gatherings of Conversations and published in the Holy Land in 1965. During the subsequent three decades of his life until his death, Rabbi Schneerson remained consistent; he did not change any of the opinions. What Rabbi Scheerson taught either was or immediately became official, Lubovitch, Hassidic belief. Regarding the non-Jew the Lubovitcher Rebbe's views were clear even if a bit disorderly: "In such a manner the Halacha, stipulated by the Talmud, showed that a non-Jew should be punished by death if he kills an embryo, even if the embryo is non-Jewish, while the Jew should not be, even if the embryo is Jewish. As we [the talmudic sages] learn from Exodus 22:21, beginning with the words 'and if any mischief will follow.'" This quoted verse is a part of a passage beginning in verse 2 1, describing what should be done "if men strive and hurt a woman with child," thus damaging the embryo. Verse 22, whose beginning is quoted by the Lubovitcher Rebbe, says in full: "And if any mischief will follow, then you shall give soul for soul." (Some English translations use the wording "life for life" instead of "soul for soul.") The above stated difference in the punishment of a Jew and a non-Jew for the same crime is common in the Talmud and Halacha. The Lubovitcher Rebbe continued:
{quote} The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: "Let us differentiate." Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of "let us differentiate" between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world ... The Old Rabbi [a pseudonym for one of the holy Lubovitch rabbis] explained that the passage in Chapter 49 of Hatanya [the basic book of Chabad]: "And you have chosen us" [the Jews] means specifically that the Jewish body was chosen [by God], because a choice is thus made between outwardly similar things. The Jewish body "looks as if it were in substance similar to bodies of non-Jews," but the meaning ... is that the bodies only seem to be similar in material substance, outward look and superficial quality. The difference of the inner quality,
{p. 60} {quote continued} however, is so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species. This is the reason why the Talmud states that there is an halachic difference in attitude about the bodies of non-Jews [as opposed to the bodies of Jews] " "their bodies are in vain." . . . An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.
{quote continued} As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood. There is also a difference in bodies. The body of a Jewish embryo is on a higher level than is the body of a non-Jew. This is expressed in the phrase "let us differentiate" about the body of a non-Jew, which is a totally different kind. The same difference exists in regard to the soul: the soul of a Jewish embryo is different than the soul of a non-Jewish embryo. We therefore ask: Why should a non-Jew be punished if he kills even a non-Jewish embryo while a Jew should not be punished even if he kills a Jewish embryo? The answer can be understood by [considering] the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews." In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" [Genesis 1:1] means that [the heavens and the earth] were created for the sake of the Jews, who are called the "beginning." This means everything, all developments, all discoveries, the creation, including the "heavens and the earth - are vanity compared to the Jews. The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim." {end quote}
After some additional cabbalistic explanation the Lubovitcher Rebbe concluded:
{quote} Following from what has already been said, it can be understood why a non-Jew should be punished by death if he kills an embryo and why a Jew should not be punished by death. The difference between the embryo and a [baby that was] born is that the embryo is not a self-contained reality but rather is subsidiary; either it is subsidiary to its mother or to the reality created after birth when the [divine] purpose of its creation is then fulfilled. In its present state the purpose is still absent. A non-Jew's entire reality is only vanity. It is written, "And the strangers shall stand and feed your flocks" [Isaiah 61: 5]. The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews. Because of this a non-Jew [/QUOTE]
As my brother in Christ David Duke points out again and again, Jewish racial supremicism is the greatest problem we face today. It is precisely the seething contempt Jews feel for us - an irrational hatred butressed by at least 20 centuries of law and culture - that is destrying us.
Walter
2004-09-03 13:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] The joy Jews feel for the murder of gentile babies is deeply rooted in Jewish religion. The Kabbalistic (Pagan) Orthodox Jewish tradition teaches that Jewish souls are of the uncreated devine light, whereas gentile souls are wholly created and on par with the souls of animals.[/QUOTE] Walter, I could be mistaken, but I don't think it is necessary to go even as far afield as the Kabbalah for this teaching. I think it is in the Talmud, as well, which is much more mainstream.
2004-09-03 17:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Walter, I could be mistaken, but I don't think it is necessary to go even as far afield as the Kabbalah for this teaching. I think it is in the Talmud, as well, which is much more mainstream.[/QUOTE]
The Talmud teaches hatred for gentiles, but as far as I know the stuff about devine Jewish souls versus the animal souls of gentiles comes from the Kabbalah.
Walter
2004-09-04 20:04 | User Profile
Your Jewish holy book is one of the many reasons that Jews are despised the world over and eventually seen as a "cancer" by their host nations. Jews never assimilate to their host cultures and endeaver to change the host society morally, financially, and politically. Once the host nations start "figuring things out", they go bezerk. What I wonder is WHEN are Jews going to figure this out and stop this cycle of madness? As you can see below, the Jews are running out of places to go.
You can use the "Hitler Card" all you want. But what was the Jewish excuse for all these other times?
IS THE WHOLE WORLD WRONG???? (and is it "anti-semetic" to ask these questions?)
[size=4]Jewish Worldwide Expulsions ______[/size]
One could think of those seventy-nine expulsions as if someone was married and divorced seventy-nine times, which is more about something being wrong with the behavior of that one person, the jew, rather than the ones, the countries, that person married and divorced those many times.
If the Pagans hated the Jews, the Muslims hated the Jews, the Christians hated the Jews, the Greeks hated the Jews, the Romans hated the Jews, the English hated the Jews, the Spanish hated the Jews, the French hated the Jews, the Italians hated the Jews, the Russians hated the Jews, and the Nazis hated the Jews ... donââ¬â¢t you think maybe there's something wrong with the Jews ?
[size=4][u]Quotes From the Talmud[/u][/size]
Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."
Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
"The Jew question is really the most serious of our problems."--Henry Adams
"Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in."--Thomas Jefferson
"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory."--Patrick Buchanan