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Thread ID: 14851 | Posts: 42 | Started: 2004-08-28
2004-08-28 17:50 | User Profile
Hello everyone.
Normally I don't make public anything that goes on here 'behind the scenes' because I'm a fairly private person, but in this particular case I felt I owed it to the board community here.
It is with much regret and a heavy heart that I inform you that after a seven year on-line friendship dating back to our shared Buchanan Brigade days at the old Free Republic, founding member AntiYuppie contacted me and insisted that I terminate his account here and remove every one of his posts from our database.
Normally I wouldn't agree to that because it is my belief that once one makes a post here, in a way he or she gives up its 'ownership' to the community at large. To delete the posts of a senior member like AY will disrupt a tremendous amount of threads and such. Nevertheless, out of my respect for AntiYuppie and our long-time friendship, I agreed to do as he wished and purged him from the OD database. It was extremely upsetting, but life goes on and we must accept God's will in these kinds of things.
AY, I don't think I have, but if I ever did wrong by you then I sincerely apologize for having done so. I've always appreciated our on-line friendship and we've walked down the same road for many years. For that I am thankful and I truly wish you all the best in your new endeavours. Please know there is no bitterness or anger in my heart because of all this. For anyone looking to read or follow his current work, as far as I know he can be found at [url=http://www.thephora.org]The Phora[/url], his newest or latest cyber-home.
For those of you scratching your head wondering what all of this is about, most of it all stems from a board guideline revision I added some months ago, [u]completely of my own volition without any behind the scenes influence or persuasion from any member here[/u]. Specifically, the board guideline I am speaking of is the one that states something about how the basic stance of this board was one that supported Western Christendom and to refrain from posting incessant attacks on traditional, orthodox Christianity. I put that guideline in because it was my belief at the time that numerous members were only participating here to take pot shot after pot shot at the fundamental Christian beliefs of our membership and had no interest in discussing same and were ultimately only here to disrupt the entire board via their anti-Christian animosity.
Shortly after this guideline revision we had members like Avalanche and her husband, NeoNietzsche, begin culling our membership roster and contacting them one by one to spread rumors about myself, other members and this board as a whole, and asking them to leave our board and go to the phora ([url]www.thephora.org[/url]) and start participating there as I was some kind of religious nut, so on and so forth. I believe they did this because their principal motivation is one of extreme anti-Christianity and basic rabid atheism. Avalanche and NN were soon joined by wintermute, whose strong anti-Christian/pro-pagan-witchcraft beliefs led him to also begin working behind the scenes to undermine various members faith in the integrity of this board and myself. This was the original impetus behind the handful of our members who left our board and went to the phora and various other forae on the internet.
So now everyone knows what has taken place here. The rest of the dynamics are all pretty much he said/she said type stuff, although at this stage no one really talks and listens to each other anymore. Most of it is all water under the bridge at this point, which is regrettable. Let me state that my guideline regarding incessant attacks on Christianity was conceived by myself alone acting only in concert with my own conscience and God and no one else. I put it up never intending to ban anyone, which I don't think ever happened anyway, but only to keep some members from harping on attacking Christianity here at OD to the exclusion of any other topic and disrupting the board over religious beliefs day after day after day. I never intended it to keep someone from asking a certain question, expressing doubt about the Christian faith or to shut down any and all discussion regarding Christianity. I just wanted everyone to know that the board held a basic Christian tendency just like it does paleo-conservatism. That is all.
It is my hope that this board can continue to serve its intended audience and function as a positive for the board's community. I apologize to anyone I have offended by putting in the guideline written on above, but let me forthrightly state that the guideline will remain and OD's basic position is supportive of the traditional, orthodox Christianity as known throughout Western Civilization and expressed in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. One does not have to be a Christian to participate here and they should feel free to question and disagree with anything I or anyone else has stated on the subject. All I ask is that members do not keep posting article after article attacking basic Christian beliefs and never show any willingness to discuss the issue. That is all.
I greatly appreciate all the members here of good-will who have been supportive of OD throughout its tenure. It has always been and will continue to be my goal to provide a home base of sorts here in cyber-space where issues that concern traditional conservatives and those of us on 'the Right' can be presented and discussed in an intelligent manner and free of undue rancor and hostilities. It's been a bumpy ride, but we're still up and running so please keep the faith and don't sell out.
Thanks and regards,
TD
2004-08-28 19:45 | User Profile
Tex, I don't doubt that most of those who left have a good deal of respect for yourself. And, while the pagans did not appreciate your Christian plank, their reason for leaving was beyond that.
I really appreciate this board and with time it will recover from the loss of some good contributors.
2004-08-28 22:08 | User Profile
Even thou I don't have any kind of religion I would defend your right to have one, but only as long as you don't try to shove it down my throat ( which you havent done).
HOWEVER heheheheheheh, there is always a "however",,,,,,,, you should not ban anyone for being a "anti-Christian" as long as they don't curse you out or insult your religion in any way, after all , it is your board.
If you really believe in yourself and your religion then you should care less what they say about you.
2004-08-29 14:52 | User Profile
Like Ponce, I am not a believer either, although ( I know how weird this sounds ) I encourage the open and voluntary practice of religion. Anybody that leaves a discussion board simply because other members have expressed an abiding belief and faith in God is, at best, a drooling moron.
2004-08-30 04:20 | User Profile
Dear Tex, Oh. :sad: Did you really write this slander? [QUOTE]Shortly after this guideline revision we had members like Avalanche and her husband, NeoNietzsche, begin culling our membership roster and contacting them one by one to spread rumors about myself, other members and this board as a whole, and asking them to leave our board and go to the phora ([url]www.thephora.org[/url]) and start participating there as I was some kind of religious nut, so on and so forth.[/QUOTE] Shame on you for lying about me in public. I did no such thing! I have NEVER spoken ill of you. I did indeed contact my friends on OD and let them know that we had moved over to the Phora, because I did not wish to lose touch with people whose company I so enjoyed. I did not spread rumors about you nor ask anyone to leave the board. Do you not perceive a difference between saying: "we will be at this place and hope to see you there also"; and saying, "this place sucks; come away with us!"? I ONLY told people where we would be so they could find us in the future. And I told them where to find me -- and Neo and Wintermute and Il Ragno et al. ââ¬â because we had formed friendships on your board.
Neo did nothing but merely leave your board and commence posting on The Phora, so perhaps you should remove his name from your slander, at the least!
Avalanche
2004-08-30 06:44 | User Profile
I do find the infighting as of late sad. I do not see much good it has done anyone. I am very sadened that Antiyuppie has left this Forum.
I have made a few posts on The Phora, but have no plans to leave this forum. I do like the basic structure of Phora, but I don't like some stuff on Phora and find some of the members crude and tasteless.
2004-08-30 07:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Avalanche][quote=Texas Dissident] Shortly after this guideline revision we had members like Avalanche and her husband, NeoNietzsche, begin culling our membership roster and contacting them one by one to spread rumors about myself, other members and this board as a whole, and asking them to leave our board and go to the phora ([url]www.thephora.org[/url]) and start participating there as I was some kind of religious nut, so on and so forth.
Dear Tex, Oh. :sad: Did you really write this slander? Shame on you for lying about me in public. I did no such thing! I have NEVER spoken ill of you. I did indeed contact my friends on OD and let them know that we had moved over to the Phora, because I did not wish to lose touch with people whose company I so enjoyed. I did not spread rumors about you nor ask anyone to leave the board. Do you not perceive a difference between saying: "we will be at this place and hope to see you there also"; and saying, "this place sucks; come away with us!"? I ONLY told people where we would be so they could find us in the future. And I told them where to find me -- and Neo and Wintermute and Il Ragno et al. ââ¬â because we had formed friendships on your board.
Neo did nothing but merely leave your board and commence posting on The Phora, so perhaps you should remove his name from your slander, at the least!
Avalanche[/QUOTE]Really I don't see any reason to make a big deal out of this Av. If you look at what Tex said you did, and what you admit you did, there really is little difference. The only difference of opinion concerns the tone of your e-mails, what you were saying, or maybe what you thinking while you were writing them. And really that's no great concern of ours, or at least mine. I understand generally that this forum changed the rules somewhat and expressed some concern with some of the type of posts you and Neo made, and probably made you and Neo, and some others, feel less than fully welcome here. For that, especially in view of the fact that you might originally have come here thinking you had every reason to feel fully welcome here in view of your careful adherence to the guidelines and suport of many, if not all, of the goals political, social and even philosophical goals Tex, I and the other moderators, and the membership at large had, I do regret very much.
Everyone has their level of comfort with the discussion. Although we certainly disagreed on religion, the overall tone and tendency of your discussions did not make me feel uncomfortable, but they did Tex, and I think some others. Perhaps it was inevitable that eventually we would require two forums to accomodate all of us, although I still consider many of the developments that have created and nourished this split avoidable and regrettable.
I think it important and advisable at this point that we start to incalculate some renewed level of trust between our two camps and try to tone our rhetoric down. We all know who some of the big offenders are, and know some others who probably tend to press things when we ought to just let them rest. I'll admit I'm in the latter category at times, and would like to do my part.
I frankly am still not sure exactly how the suspicions between our two camps grew to where they are, but I think it is very important that these differences were carefully studied and consciously exacerbated by Raina, who we all know is at the minimum not just an ordinary troll, but one with with very suspicious origins. Everyone is still feeling a bit paranoid, and in lieu of these events it is very understandable. One of Raina's goal was to split this forum and exacerbate suspicions between Christian Nationalists and other Nationalists, and she appears to have succeeded quite admirably so far. I think we all have a duty as nationalists to try to repair the damage, and not unwittingly help Raina and her (ADL type?) company by needlessly stirring up trouble with one another.
2004-08-30 13:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Avalanche]I did indeed contact my friends on OD and let them know that we had moved over to the Phora, because I did not wish to lose touch with people whose company I so enjoyed. I did not spread rumors about you nor ask anyone to leave the board. [/QUOTE]
Avalanche, as I doubt you sent mail to Tex, his information is at least 2nd-hand and therefor he may not have known the tone of your private messages. And, I find it a bit difficult to accept that messages sent to a number of people asking them to go someplace else would be done in tones respectful of OD. At the very least, Tex has put a lot of effort into this forum and even if you didn't say anything bad, you'll have to excuse Tex for taking offense to your actions which undeniably served to undermine OD.
2004-08-30 14:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]I do find the infighting as of late sad. I do not see much good it has done anyone. I am very sadened that Antiyuppie has left this Forum.
I have made a few posts on The Phora, but have no plans to leave this forum. I do like the basic structure of Phora, but I don't like some stuff on Phora and find some of the members crude and tasteless.[/QUOTE]
I agree, Faust. I, too, have made some posts on the Phora and like the basic structure, but am turned off by some of the crude and tasteless members and their language, and not their beliefs.
2004-08-30 14:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Avalanche]Dear Tex, Oh. :sad: Did you really write this slander? [/QUOTE]
Avalanche,
I didn't write this post with the intention of rehashing what is already over and done. However, I needed to explain to the board community why AntiYuppie was no longer here and I stand by what I wrote in the original post.
But having said that, please don't worry too much about it. As I said, what's done is done and there's no sense dwelling on it. As far as I'm concerned, it's in the past and I assure you that I hold no bad feelings toward anyone for anything. There are much, much more important things to worry about in the greater scheme of life. OD is moving forward and you and the others are still free to particpate if you are so inclined.
I wish you, NN, wintermute and the rest of the departed gang all the best. May God bless you.
2004-08-30 16:23 | User Profile
Hi everybody.
I've been on the road mostly that past couple of weeks and thus my failure to reply to some of your posts.
I agree that it's all water under the bridge, but I would add that there was no reason in justice to purge AY's posts. He participated here of his own volition like the rest of us, and it all became part of the record. Many of the things he posted were of real value, and I can only assume that many, many important threads here will cease to make any sense with his contributions purged. AY is obviously a brilliant guy, and I also don't understand what ticked him off so badly about your simple posting guidelines, which really arise to little more than common courtesy.
But, it's your call, Tex. It's not one I would have made, that's all.
I would add that I believe in this forum, and I remain more than willing to support this effort with my time and hard earned cash.
Walter
2004-08-30 17:46 | User Profile
OD is definitely not the place it used to be, but sticking to principle is sticking to principle. I don't think anyone's under an obligation to pay for the privilege of watching a cherished belief of theirs belittled. Since I'm fairly neutral on the Christianity business myself, I guess I never got caught up in the debates. I tend to think that a society, be it white nationalist or otherwise, cannot last long without some reverence for the spiritual. But now I just sound like one of those idiots at a cocktail party, so I'll shut up.
2004-08-31 00:32 | User Profile
I know I'm not a major contributor here, but frankly I was pleased when it was announced that OD would further identify itself as Christian. And as a result I am much more willing to give the neo-confederate aspects a sympathetic ear. I had assumed that most of the people on OD would be sympathetic to Christianity since they were Eurocentric, and it is really not possible to prescind European culture from Christianity.
I didn't realize that AY was not Christian. Certainly some of the guys he looks up to are, e.g., Sobran, Buchanan, Sam Francis, et al. What makes me curious about the posters here hostile to Christianity, is how they can explain away, in naturalistic terms, the prominence of Jews in European Christian culture, and the ethnic similarlity yet radical distinction between Jews and Hebrew Christians (converts).
2004-08-31 00:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]I didn't realize that AY was not Christian. Certainly some of the guys he looks up to are, e.g., Sobran, Buchanan, Sam Francis, et al. AY gave a pretty good exlanation for himself in his posts here, which are now deleted, I assume irreversibly. As Walter said, I consider it unfortunate his posts and threads were deleted. A lot of other people put a lot of time into these threads too. But I guess we poor white trash confederates occasionally must let those northeastern snobs lay down the line when they say they don't want their name sullied by association with people like us.
What makes me curious about the posters here hostile to Christianity, is how they can explain away, in naturalistic terms, the prominence of Jews in European Christian culture, and the ethnic similarlity yet radical distinction between Jews and Hebrew Christians (converts).[/QUOTE] There are lots of threads here and on also all the WN forums, Stormfront, Phora, etc. I think you can find this subject discussed to your hearts content there if you want to. I'm happy to let it take a rest.
2004-08-31 01:57 | User Profile
I have notice that you guys are talking more and more about religion now days, are you expecting the end of the world and are getting ready to fight the Zionists? ,,,,,,,,,, if that's the case then good for you keep on praying and cleaning your guns, oterwise knock it off.
To me this is a political forum and not a Christian room and if this is to be a new prayer room then please let me know so that I can get the heck out of here........ I don't need for anyone to shove religion down my throat.
Religion is something that you keep in your heart and not in your mouth, no one can talk for God, when you are ready it will be like falling in love, it will come to you.
Remember what the Bible says,,,,,,"you shall pray in a closet",,,,, meaning that you will pray in private.
2004-08-31 02:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Religion is something that you keep in your heart and not in your mouth, no one can talk for God, when you are ready it will be like falling in love, it will come to you. That's what all spinsters say about love isn't it?
Of course regarding religion in public life, the idea that religion is purely "a private matter" is one of socialist/ADL origin, most notably pushed recently by Alan Dershowitz. Sounds like you've still got some of that island baggage.
Remember what the Bible says,,,,,,"you shall pray in a closet",,,,, meaning that you will pray in private.[/QUOTE] It also says "let your light shine". But see what you've started Ponce - now even you're doing it! :lol:
2004-08-31 03:09 | User Profile
Okie? what do you mean by "you still have some of that Island baggage"???.
Is that by any chance a personal insult?
Are you saying that because you are a "ADMISNISTRATOR" you think that you can get away with it?
You are acting now like the Jews with the Palestinians, you have the power and you are taking advantage of it.
Wha do you think that the rest of the people on this board are thinking when you insult another member?
I do believe that a personal insult of that type is against the rules of this board,,,,,,,,, don't do it again.
TD???????? please talk to this young trooper in private and do something about this,,,,, thank you.
2004-08-31 06:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Okie? what do you mean by "you still have some of that Island baggage"???.
Is that by any chance a personal insult?
Are you saying that because you are a "ADMISNISTRATOR" you think that you can get away with it?
You are acting now like the Jews with the Palestinians, you have the power and you are taking advantage of it. [/QUOTE]Sometimes a lot seems to you a personal insult Ponce. All I was referring to was that attitudes toward religion vary somewhat among cultures. The common Latin American feelings of and reasons for anti-clericism, which are borne out of the long history of strong political power used by the Catholic Church, and of course propagandized by leftists in power, have no real parallel in the U.S., (even when rather strong-willed anti-clerics like those at the Phora attempt to conjure them up) and I don't really understand them and your fears of discussing religion.
2004-08-31 08:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=drowner]I see no radical distinction. You should investigate the history of Spain and the Inquisition sometime. They almost destroyed their own nation trying to remove Jewish 'converts', who were, as usual, lying.
Baptism didn't make a gentile out of him . . .
[img]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/toad6a.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
From a historical standpoint, I think its important to draw a distinction between the largely insincere "marrano" pseudo-Christian converts of the last 500 years (most famously in Spain), and the often sincere Jewish Christian converts of Roman times. With that said, I wouldn't be inclined to trust a Jewish convert to Christianity, in the year 2004, any more than I would any other Jew. I'd probably be wrong something like 5-10% of the time, of course, but I'm willing to take that chance....
2004-08-31 13:43 | User Profile
The only part that I care to make a comment about your last post is "a lot seems a personal insult to you Ponce",,,,,,,,, The rest is garbage, this is the first time that I have made a complaint about a post writing to me ,,,,,,,, I used to go around and around with DarkStar but that was a clean fight.
I can tell the difference between a clean fight and someone trying to get under the wire as you are doing........ once again, stop doing that for I can also get nasty and your only choice as the semi-God of this board would be to kick me out,,,,,,, it would not look very good for you.
2004-08-31 20:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=drowner]Baptism didn't make a gentile out of him . . .[/QUOTE]
Which begs the question of how exactly one baptizes a cartoon caricature.
:nerd:
2004-09-01 01:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]AY gave a pretty good exlanation for himself in his posts here, which are now deleted, I assume irreversibly. As Walter said, I consider it unfortunate his posts and threads were deleted. A lot of other people put a lot of time into these threads too. But I guess we poor white trash confederates occasionally must let those northeastern snobs lay down the line when they say they don't want their name sullied by association with people like us. [/QUOTE]
Yes, I don't like the idea of someone's posts being deleted by their request. If it just affected that one person, that would be one thing. They posted, in the first place, without any agreement that their posts could ever be deleted.
2004-09-01 02:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I have notice that you guys are talking more and more about religion now days,
Religion is just the thing at the moment. I'd prefer if I didn't see any Roman Catholic posts. But, if I have something to say in response, I still will. And, if I've had my fill, I'll just skip those posts.
are you expecting the end of the world and are getting ready to fight the Zionists?
I have no expection of the world ending any time soon.
Religion is something that you keep in your heart and not in your mouth, no one can talk for God, when you are ready it will be like falling in love, it will come to you.
Remember what the Bible says,,,,,,"you shall pray in a closet",,,,, meaning that you will pray in private.[/QUOTE]
The godless Jewish leaders would often pray in public for the purpose of convincing people that they were godly. Jesus called them hypocrites.
Religion is like anything else, full of points to be discussed and debated. But, maybe to you it's often like two people arguing if an invisible unicorn is pink or blue.
Ponce, as a practical matter, do you not see a connection between the decline of whites and the decline of Christianity? Which white wome have more than two children, pagans or Christians? Far that alone, wouldn't you want to promote Christianity, conservative Christianity?
2004-09-01 03:11 | User Profile
You have to thank the Jews for killing Christianity and all the beautifull holydays that we used to have,,,,,,,, religion to me is more than going to church and praying, The American foundation is based on religion and that's the way it should stay "In God We Trust" is and should be for ever.
The Jews have killed Christmas as it used to be and the American people are so STUPID that they allowed those people to do it.
I don't blame the Jews for being Jews but I do blame the Americans for not being Americans.
2004-09-02 05:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]From a historical standpoint, I think its important to draw a distinction between the largely insincere "marrano" pseudo-Christian converts of the last 500 years (most famously in Spain), and the often sincere Jewish Christian converts of Roman times. With that said, I wouldn't be inclined to trust a Jewish convert to Christianity, in the year 2004, any more than I would any other Jew. I'd probably be wrong something like 5-10% of the time, of course, but I'm willing to take that chance....[/QUOTE] No, I would say that a present-day Hebrew conversion to Christianty is fool-proof evidence of a radical separation from Jewish identity. Have you read biographies of Jews who converted to Christianity? Most of them are bean-spilling eye-openers.
2004-09-02 08:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]No, I would say that a present-day Hebrew conversion to Christianty is fool-proof evidence of a radical separation from Jewish identity. Have you read biographies of Jews who converted to Christianity? Most of them are bean-spilling eye-openers.[/QUOTE]
Jack:
I haven't read such a thing.
Where could I find one?
Walter
2004-09-03 03:07 | User Profile
I for one am glad these people left OD. Good going J-Tex. After all, they asked for it. Religious debate is one thing, constant slandering without basis is another. I remember really getting into it with Wintermute. What Texas-D is trying to say is that there is honesty in repetition. Let these people go somewhere better suited for them. I don't want to see OD turn into a Yahoo Chat room mentality either .. let vitriol spill, but let it spill somewhere else. Better for OD to not have to get bogged down like that anymore.
2004-09-03 18:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=drowner]I see no radical distinction. You should investigate the history of Spain and the Inquisition sometime. They almost destroyed their own nation trying to remove Jewish 'converts', who were, as usual, lying.
Baptism didn't make a gentile out of him . . .[/QUOTE]
From Luther's [u]Large Catechism[/u]:
For even though a Jew should to-day come dishonestly and with evil purpose, and we should baptize him in all good faith, we must say that his baptism is nevertheless genuine. For here is the water together with the Word of God. even though he does not receive it as he should, just as those who unworthily go to the Sacrament receive the true Sacrament even though they do not believe...
Therefore they are presumptuous, clumsy minds that draw such inferences and conclusions as these: Where there is not the true faith, there also can be no true Baptism. Just as if I would infer: If I do not believe, then Christ is nothing; or thus: If I am not obedient, then father, mother, and government are nothing. Is that a correct conclusion, that whenever any one does not do what he ought, the thing in itself shall be nothing and of no value? My dear, just invert the argument and rather draw this inference: For this very reason Baptism is something and is right, because it has been wrongly received. For if it were not right and true in itself, it could not be misused nor sinned against. The saying is: Abusus non tollit, sed confirmat substantiam, Abuse does not destroy the essence but confirms it. For gold is not the less gold though a harlot wear it in sin and shame.
Therefore let it be decided that Baptism always remains true, retains its full essence, even though a single person should be baptized, and he, in addition, should not believe truly. For God's ordinance and Word cannot be made variable or be altered by men. But these people, the fanatics, are so blinded that they do not see the Word and command of God, and regard Baptism and the magistrates only as they regard water in the brook or in pots, or as any other man; and because they do not see faith nor obedience, they conclude that they are to be regarded as invalid. Here lurks a concealed seditious devil, who would like to tear the crown from the head of authority and then trample it under foot, and, in addition, pervert and bring to naught all the works and ordinances of God. Therefore we must be watchful and well armed, and not allow ourselves to be directed nor turned away from the Word, in order that we may not regard Baptism as a mere empty sign, as the fanatics dream....
2004-09-04 00:06 | User Profile
Do I trust Jews that "converts" to Cristianity? hummmmmmmmm to me that's like having an enemy in your camp,,,,,, remeber "by deception we shall rule".
2004-09-09 06:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE][B] Okiereddust:[/B] Really I don't see any reason to make a big deal out of this Av. [/QUOTE]No, of course YOU don't! You weren't so unfairly insulted and lied about! Here is what Tex wrote ââ¬â and posted in public: [QUOTE][B]TexDiss:[/B]Avalanche and her husband, NeoNietzsche, begin culling our membership roster and contacting them one by one to spread rumors about myself, other members and this board as a whole, and asking them to leave our board and go to the phora ([url]www.thephora.org[/url]) and start participating there as I was some kind of religious nut, so on and so forth.[/QUOTE] I NEVER spread rumors about Tex or anyone else! I NEVER called Tex (or anyone) a religious nut! I never asked anyone to leave OD ââ¬â I told them where WE would be. Y'all seem to think it's just fine for him to say these mean things about me (that would fall into which category: Christian kindness or Christian truth-telling?!) When you move away from your friends, do you tell them your new address, or do you just disappear?!
[QUOTE][B] Okiereddust:[/B] If you look at what Tex said you did, and what you admit you did, there really is little difference. [/QUOTE] Are you serious? There is little difference between telling someone where I've gone ââ¬â and "spread rumors about myself, other members and this board as a whole," "asking them to leave our board," and that he "was some kind of religious nut"?! There is a HUGE difference! Look over those two things and tell me WHO is spreading rumors about someone else?! It sure wasn't me!!
[QUOTE][B] Okiereddust:[/B] The only difference of opinion concerns the tone of your e-mails, what you were saying, or maybe what you thinking while you were writing them.[/QUOTE] Wait - are you ACTUALLY saying: The ONLY difference is in everything I said, how I said it and what I was thinking when I said it ââ¬â so I shouldn't be upset that Tex lied about me? What the heck is LEFT?! The kind of computer I used to post it?! What kind of man are you Okkie, that you don't see the difference?! Tex spreads a malicious rumor about ME ââ¬â and when I address it, you try to excuse it with such an idiotic attempt at "spreading the blame"?!
[QUOTE][B] Okiereddust:[/B] And really that's no great concern of ours, or at least mine.[/QUOTE] Gee Okkie, maybe that's why I wrote to TEXAS DISSIDENT and NOT TO YOU, ever consider that?! And if it's no concern of yours, why are you bothering to try to explain away Tex's lies? (And so badly, too!)
[QUOTE][B] Happy Hacker [/B] And, I find it a bit difficult to accept that messages sent to a number of people asking them to go someplace else would be done in tones respectful of OD. At the very least, Tex has put a lot of effort into this forum and even if you didn't say anything bad, you'll have to excuse Tex for taking offense to your actions which undeniably served to undermine OD. [/QUOTE] I LIKED OD, I LIKED TexDiss, I was SORRY to leave! Why would I slander a man I liked and respected (well, until he posted such lies about me!) ââ¬â and a man I had no particular fight with personally? I left because he threatened WinterMute, a FRIEND of mine with banning. I don't really care what you find difficult to believe ââ¬â perhaps you are incapable of taking a principled stand in defense of your friends, and leaving with grace. I am not!
And no, I do NOT "have to excuse Tex for taking offense" at my actions ââ¬â which did NOTHING to undermine his list! I posted what was essentially a forwarding address to my friends when I moved. How can that POSSIBLY undermine a list?!
And finally: [QUOTE][B] Tex: [/B] I didn't write this post with the intention of rehashing what is already over and done. However, I needed to explain to the board community why AntiYuppie was no longer here and I stand by what I wrote in the original post.[/QUOTE] And explaining AntiYuppie's departure involved lying about me why? Oh Tex, I REALLY thought better of you. You are affirming here that your lies about me are intentional and you mean them to stand. Shame on you again.
[QUOTE][B] Tex: [/B] But having said that, please don't worry too much about it. As I said, what's done is done and there's no sense dwelling on it. As far as I'm concerned, it's in the past and I assure you that I hold no bad feelings toward anyone for anything. [/QUOTE] Wait ââ¬â you lie about me (on a public forum), affirm the lies (on a public forum), and then tell me not to worry about it?! And: as far as you're concerned, your lying about me is in the past ââ¬â {sarcasm} oh well, THAT makes it all better! {/sarcasm} No I don't think it does Jason ââ¬â you SEEMED an honorable Christian man, you and I never had any particular disagreements, but this just doesnââ¬â¢t stand scrutiny.
I'm really, really disappointed in you, Tex. Avalanche
2004-09-09 15:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Avalanche]And explaining AntiYuppie's departure involved lying about me why? Oh Tex, I REALLY thought better of you. [/QUOTE]
Do you really think Tex thought to himself "I want to say something untrue about Avalanche"? Just accept this as a case of misimpressions. It doesn't make anyone any happier to be throwing darts at each other, even if in "self defense."
If you lived close to me, I'd invite you and your family over to join my family in a nice barbecue and then you'd see there are no ill intentions.
2004-09-09 16:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]If you lived close to me, I'd invite you and your family over to join my family in a nice barbecue and then you'd see there are no ill intentions.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately right now Hacker, talk about joining in a "nice barbeque reminds me of the ambiguity in an invitation from a group of cannibals to "come over for dinner". :lol: I haven't seen anything on the menu in any of Phoran's discussions for quite a while other than us.
2004-09-09 21:42 | User Profile
OK, enough is enough. I know better than to expect The Council of Three here (Tex, Okie and Walter) to own up to their atrocious judgment, ie, ‘we screwed up and then some’, but this entire thread is like reading the collected works of Elie Wiesel minus the Pulitzers. I've got a few things to say regarding the mountain of self-serving mendacity I’ve climbed to get to page 3 of this mess.
Firstly, forums like this get started in part because intelligent people grew mighty impatient at hearing certain ‘truths’ endlessly repeated in the culture at large without repudiation. One of which is that Jews have been regularly expelled from gentile nations 80-odd times over the prior millenium and yet every expulsion speaks to the evil anti-Semitism of whites and not the aggressive parasitism of Jews.
Yet we are supposed to believe that the many recent OD exiles [I]all [/I] left because they went bad, or they chose to follow a purely personal whim to depart, or they were witches who feared gazing upon the image of the One True Cross….it is [I]never [/I] because the Council of Three went McNamara on the rank-and-file and bombed this place back to the Stone Age.
I want you to think about this: Anti-Yuppie handed in his notice and asked for his originals back. [B][I]Anti-Yuppie! [/I] [/B] Maybe the only guy in cyberspace who is universally liked and respected by all of the otherwise-perpetually-squabbling elements of the paleo/WN multiverse. The creator and soul and beating heart of not just Neo-Con Watch but of the larger dawning public awareness of just what a ‘neo’ is and what they truly stand for! The [I]Ted Williams of Original Dissent [/I] just walked away from you in disgust and frustration….but, no, no, it’s him...[I]got [/I] to be him. Because it could [I]never [/I] be The Council of Three. They talk to God!
Oh, and “it is my belief that once one makes a post here, in a way he or she gives up its 'ownership' to the community at large”? Tell it to Wintermute.
The Phora? Yeah, it’s been problematic, and there were a lot of trolls and teenagers there (until recently, at least) but of late it’s taken a few small steps in the right direction. Certainly we don’t lack for OD members, current and prior, but nobody is shanghai’ing anybody out of here.
What OD [U][B]once was[/B][/U] derived wholly from the chemistry of a truly first-rate bullpen of contributors – I once called us the '27 Yankees of the Far Right - and the unfettered, freewheeling discussions (and heated debates) that took place between them. What OD [U][B]is now[/B][/U] is a direct result of managerial policy. Yes, I know, Tex, it’s your baby to throttle in the crib if you so wish, but the fact of the matter is [I]you fixed what was never broken to begin with[/I] on the counsel of Pope Oliver Cromwell and Groundskeeper Okie. You [I]like [/I] Gabrielle and Pennsylvania Dutch serving as ideological standard-bearers for the New OD? Too bad. [U]You broke it, you bought it[/U]. And the Alexas will reflect this.
And if I have a regret…and this is one I share with all my fellow exiles, AY foremost among them..…it’s that I’m acutely aware that you can’t simply wave a magic wand and reassemble such a group or recapture that sort of chemistry. Once it's gone, for whatever reasons, it's gone...and you begin to appreciate, after the fact, that it was ever there in the first place. I figured Tex would at least be smart enough to realize that, but then I guess it doesn’t take much to get three Christian Nationalists drunk enough to burn down the mission and drive away the parishioners. The smarter ones, at least.
Kirk out.
2004-09-09 21:59 | User Profile
Whatever you say, IR.
Obviously you are free to have your own interpretation of things and even prominently post it here. I've given up trying to correct it or convince you otherwise. Maybe you and AY were conferencing on the matter because he suffered from this same obstinate refusal to acknowledge basic facts, especially concerning any "Council of Three" and "bombings" back to the "Stone Age".
AY left and I posted what I felt needed to be stated in the way of an explanation as to why. That's pretty much it.
2004-09-09 23:21 | User Profile
Down with the council of three,,,,,,,Viva la revolucion,,,,,,Ponce for president.
Heyyyyyy!!!!!!!! you know those crazy Cubans, always like to jump in, hehehheheheheheh.
I really don't know what is going on, I never read anything over 100 words long , but is time to kiss and make up.
But remember,,,,,NO BUSH= NO ISRAEL= NO WARS,,,,,,,
Upsssssssss forgot about Kerry :( sorry guys.
2004-09-10 00:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]OK, enough is enough. I know better than to expect The Council of Three here (Tex, Okie and Walter) to own up to their atrocious judgment, ie, ââ¬Ëwe screwed up and then someââ¬â¢, but this entire thread is like reading the collected works of Elie Wiesel minus the Pulitzers. I've got a few things to say regarding the mountain of self-serving mendacity Iââ¬â¢ve climbed to get to page 3 of this mess.
Why exactly are you here IR? I'll ask you the same question you asked me, its equally applicable
Why exactly are you here, Okiefred? Since it's not as if I'm free to address you likewise over at the forum you presently moderate, I find your presence here insulting.
Are you monitoring those of us you've driven off the very forum we helped build? But why? You keep insisting, over and over, that we're insignificant and divisive to the Holy Cause of ....well, whatever the hell it is you espouse...trading in our Hitler pennants for GO PAT GO leftovers from '96, I suppose.
Or is it just that you're curious what a forum with more than five active members looks like?
Immaterial: my feeling is that people who bar the door of their clubhouses to others shouldn't barge in here every few days to use the men's room.
[url=http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2695&page=2&pp=10]The Christianisation of Original Dissent II[/url]
I have no idea how you can post now anyway, since I thought you were banned, which was really the sole plausible reason for the original exodus in the first place, other than you guys had come to dislike paleoconservatives more than neocons. I never kept track well of who at the Phora was there instead of here just because they didn't like us and who was there because they were banned here - so much for my barring the door of the clubhouse. But since you're here, I can only assume that being the unofficial kommissar of the Phora, alongside your revered high priest Yuppie (the most popular man in WN? LOL. That tells you more about how much you personalities in the effete snobbish branch of the WN universe like each other than anything) but I'll presume maybe your getting bored now that Miss O'Gony or Raina's latest incantations isn't there anymore for you to fight with.
Kirk Out Your favorite jew Raggy?
2004-09-10 03:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE][B]Originally Posted by Avalanche:[/B] And explaining AntiYuppie's departure involved lying about me why? Oh Tex, I REALLY thought better of you.
[B]Happy Hacker: [/B] Do you really think Tex thought to himself "I want to say something untrue about Avalanche"? Just accept this as a case of misimpressions. It doesn't make anyone any happier to be throwing darts at each other, even if in "self defense." [/QUOTE] I have no idea what Tex thought to himself before he lied about me (nor do you). There cannot POSSIBLY be any misimpression in "I stand by what I wrote in the original post." That is Tex saying quite clearly -- he lied about me and he intends to STAND BY THAT LIE! How do you work that around in your mind to be a misimpression?!
Is it not "normal Christian belief" that if you unintentionally (which, of course, Tex denies it was) harm someone, you apologize?! He refuses to apologize and 'stands by' what he wrote in the original. So clearly, it was neither a "misimpression" on my part, nor an "honest" mistake on Tex's part.
You just can't cover that over, Hacker!
Avalanche
2004-09-10 06:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE]What OD once was derived wholly from the chemistry of a truly first-rate bullpen of contributors ââ¬â I once called us the '27 Yankees of the Far Right - and the unfettered, freewheeling discussions (and heated debates) that took place between them. What OD is now is a direct result of managerial policy. Yes, I know, Tex, itââ¬â¢s your baby to throttle in the crib if you so wish, but the fact of the matter is you fixed what was never broken to begin with on the counsel of Pope Oliver Cromwell and Groundskeeper Okie. You like Gabrielle and Pennsylvania Dutch serving as ideological standard-bearers for the New OD? Too bad. You broke it, you bought it. And the Alexas will reflect this.[/QUOTE]
Ragman, dude, old buddy of mine. It's truly good to hear from you again.
Here's how I see it, Tex please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think that you're making too much of Tex's posting rules, which really amount to little more than eschewing vulgar and sustained Christian bashing.
Tex is a Christian, and OD is a Christian forum. This forum has a [B]tendency[/B], like all forums ultimately must lest they spiral into chaos. All that is required is that posters respect the core Christian tendency of OD - and that merely by avoiding active and sustained anti-Christian agitation.
And I don't think that's too much to ask. The Internet is a big place, and you can jaw over Linder and his bilious "kike on a stick" ravings on myriad other fora. Just not here, at least not on a regular basis (Tex has been generous in allowing for numerous lapses in that regard).
I recommend to you, if you haven't already read it "No Offense" (it's on Ygg's classics list). We all change our rhetoric all the time to fit in with our surroundings. Heck, I adjust my rhetoric to fit the audience all the time (especially being a lawyer and all).
And there's nothing wrong with that, Ragman. Such isn't a limitation on free speech. It is rather simply respecting the right of others to free association.
Avoid that one thing for the sake of decorum here on this privately owned forum. If that's too much to ask, then your free speech would come at the expense of Tex's (and my) free association (and in Tex's case, property rights), and that just wouldn't be right.
I hope you'll see your way to agreeing to Tex's simple and generous ground rules and return to OD. It sure was great having you here. But if not, then I wish you once again all the best wherever your travels may take you.
Warmest regards,
Walter Yannis, S.J.
2004-09-11 01:40 | User Profile
skemper,
Some of the member don't seem much like the people of moral quality. I don't need to know about their sexcapades. I admit the ones I dislike are a small number.
[QUOTE]"I agree, Faust. I, too, have made some posts on the Phora and like the basic structure, but am turned off by some of the crude and tasteless members and their language, and not their beliefs."
"I think with the Phora is that pro-European does not mean necessarily mean pro-white or conservative, in fact, one can say most of Europe is neither. There was one woman who answered one of my threads who proudly proclaimed herself bisexual... Also, TBF is posting over there and complaining how TD and Okkie have been letting WEistbot and me "run roughshod over his threads". I have not been posting to his threads for awhile now. I just can't take him seriously." [/QUOTE]
I still don't understand what started this fight in the first place?
2004-09-15 18:54 | User Profile
I mainly lurk around these parts, but geez, I feel compelled to write.
Is there a bigger bunch of ****ing crybabies anywhere else on the net. With the constant bickering, one upsman-ship, have to get the last word in, etc., is it any wonder why nothing ever changes.
Some of you folks are too busy acting like nancies instead of concentrating on what really matters.
My suggestion, all those who left or didnt feel welcomed here or feel slandered by TexDis, just take a hike and let it rest. If you want to bitch about it some more, take it to another board or to email.
With all the jew paranoia around here...I am surprised that jews havent been blamed for this latest rift. Good god, we are our own worst enemies.
2004-10-06 17:57 | User Profile
Since this thread was original about Anti Yuppie's departure and has drifted way off course, then I might as well sneak in a question. What happened to Valley Forge? I haven't seen him post in awhile.
2004-10-06 18:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Solid]Since this thread was original about Anti Yuppie's departure and has drifted way off course, then I might as well sneak in a question. What happened to Valley Forge? I haven't seen him post in awhile.[/QUOTE]
It's a free for all, Solid. :)
No idea about VF.
But let me say that I had to temporarily suspend new registrations as it seems our resident "Raina" troll was kick-starting a new campaign here at OD. I thought it had moved on to the Phora, but I guess we weren't so lucky. Ultimately we cannot stop a troll unless we make everyone submit to a body cavity search upon posting, which I neither have the inclination or time to do. But I wish this troll would get it through its thick head that acting like or revealing personal info about any past or present member here is not going to be tolerated and will be extinguished with extreme prejudice. Please quit wasting mine and the board's time with such foolishness and grow up.