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Thread ID: 14511 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2004-07-11
2004-07-11 21:25 | User Profile
I would join a group such as the national allaince, but I am afraid. I am afraid of what my family would think, afraid of losing my job, afraid of being put on a government list, and maybe even thrown in jail on trumped up charges. But if I knew that such a group had foreign backing and financing it might be enough to convince me to join.
2004-07-11 21:30 | User Profile
Don't do it. Neo-Nazism is a dead end.
If you want to donate, give to AmRen, Vdare, or Kevin MacDonald (maybe buy some of his books?). If you want to contribute more directly, start a website and promote it widely.
My two cents, anyways....
2004-07-11 21:47 | User Profile
Concerns about the impact to family and employment are valid--there are plenty of examples of government as well as ADL/SPLC harassment of individual activists.
Given your concerns, perhaps it is more appropriate for you to not formally associate with any organization, but simply act on your own--produce and distribute your own flyers, and so on.
It is possible to use the Internet to research ways to enhance your personal security--perhaps you could have a "fake" ID card manufactured with a nom de guerre on it, and you can rent a mail drop box like the kind they have at "Mailboxes Etc."--this minimizes the likelihood of anyone acquiring your true name or address.
You can still benefit from the National Alliance's knowledge base by purchasing from their vast National Vanguard Books catalog. The Institute for Historical Review's Noontide Press also has a vast catalog with lots of hard to find books the Establishment doesn't want you to read. Links to those are available through Google.
2004-07-12 06:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE] I would join a group such as the national allaince, but I am afraid. I am afraid of what my family would think, afraid of losing my job, afraid of being put on a government list, and maybe even thrown in jail on trumped up charges.[/QUOTE] Your caution is well-founded. The National Alliance has a bad track-record of supporting its members when they fall prey to legal trouble. One case in point is Chester Doles, whom the National Alliance refused to help after this father of 11 was arrested on gun charges. Facing up to 60 years in prison, the NA turned its back on Doles. If not for the help of VNN and Marc Moran, Doles' wife and family would be out in the cold now.
And speaking of Marc Moran...he joined the National Alliance, but when someone exposed this upper middle-class NA member and supporter, the NA leadership again turned their backs on one of their own, letting Moran be turn to pieces in the public media.
Avoid the National Alliance. Their main focus is pumping cash into their coffers via their Neo-Nazi Resistance Records outfit.
2004-07-12 15:17 | User Profile
There are plenty of good conservative organizations you can join that do not explicitly promote white interests and thus do not come with such risks.
2004-07-16 07:20 | User Profile
This site isn't just white motivated. Perhaps you were not grammerd in the earlier grades. A mind doesn't have a color but does have heredity. Which mind are you? I hope the more intelligent which would reflect this site
2004-07-16 09:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=darkstar]Don't do it. Neo-Nazism is a dead end.
If you want to donate, give to AmRen, Vdare, or Kevin MacDonald (maybe buy some of his books?). If you want to contribute more directly, start a website and promote it widely.
My two cents, anyways....[/QUOTE]
Good idea, but how about starting with making a small donation to OD?
I did, and it felt real good.
Let's build OD into the premier paleocon place on the web.
Walter
2004-07-24 18:12 | User Profile
Note: I am not trying to put anyone down.
That being understood, allow me to state that no movement can be successful without many who are no longer afraid of the politically correct gestapo here in America. We have to be willing to take some risks. No, I am not asking anyone to risk their jobs or public standing. Instead, I am asking that others at least take the small step of getting to know and meet other like-minded people in their areas.
One month ago, we in Michigan organized a summer picnic with like-minded individuals. The picnic was not affiliated with any group. There was no reason for anyone to fear attending. The end result was seeing a few who before felt isolated now having the feeling of finding others who were proud white Americans.
If you do not want to join any group, that is fine. What will help you to get over the media generated fear of white nationalists is to meet with some of us. A good start is to meet at a resturant for an informal dinner.
2004-07-24 20:15 | User Profile
I guess the olde Boone & Crockett Society is still around, and, I'm sure anyone could form one. Some take-off on the Sons and Daughters of the American Revolution might be fun too.
There are all sorts of venues...just takes a little imagination and a little work.
2004-07-26 23:01 | User Profile
Council of Conservative Citizens is one idea. They are respectable but will say "white."
I think the National Alliance is probably not as bad as its detractors say, and probably not as great as it proclaims. But it does fail what I call the Six Degrees of Swastika Separation test. That is, it can plausibly be linked to Nazi symbols. That's a bummer for someone trying to "maintain political viability," as Bill Clinton put it when he weighed the Vietnam situation. The fear of job loss is real --- see the sporting goods store guy, and so on. MM's tale was a crusher. God, what a pisser. A smart, amiable guy who sees what's going on, but had only NA as his option... would he have been better off in a more "respectable" group? Who knows. In many areas, though, NA is the only thing going. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss NA outright. Go to a few meetings. If someone asks for a name, put down a fake one. See what the deal is. Maybe you'll meet members you can meet up with in other venues. Maybe you and a person you met at an NA meeting can show up to a "diversity" talk somewhere in town and stand up to question them. Stuff like that.
Problem with AmRen is that it's not a group. It's a publication. Same with a lot of other safe stuff. Not enough options for us. That's bad. We need to work on that.
2004-07-27 15:51 | User Profile
I would say do not join the national allaince it is group with many problems.
The Council of Conservative Citizens seems to be the best thing going right now.
Davey Crockett an Pennsylvania_Dutch ideas look very good as well.