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2004-07-06 05:37 | User Profile
[url]http://www.nationalist.org/docs/ideology/satanism.html[/url]
Marcum versus Mobus
Impetus for life surmounts preoccupation with death
Hendrick Mobus describes himself as a "Child of Satan." A long-haired, often bearded, type, he also claims to favor "the white race." And, through his band, Absurd, he promotes what is becoming known as "White Satanism." He is now jailed in Germany and his associate, Varg Vikernes, is in prison in Sweden for setting fire to a string of churches. Josh Marcum, on the other hand, has pulled himself out of Satanism, entirely. He openly repudiates the "black metal" of Mobus he once was caught up in and, now, listens to the strains of Red, White and Blue, which promotes George Washington, we well as the white race. Josh has, also, cut his hair and now calls himself a Nationalist. And, he's trying to warn others.
Some are saying, however, that it's all right to stir up a little deviltry. So what if it annoys people? But others are suggesting that Nationalists pick up on Josh's lead by openly putting Satanism down. An album-cover of the "black-metal" band Graveland is entitled "In the Glare of Burning Churches," depicting a church burning down and summoning "whites" to follow suit. The cover of James Kellyââ¬â¢s Boots of Pride, however, pictures Washington and calls for being "true and free." Satanist symbolism preoccupies itself with death and dying, whereas Nationalism aims to focus on life, activism and winning actual victories.
Who is behind the intrusion of Satanism? Historian David Irving has reported that Lyle Stuart, the New-York communist bookseller, is financing much of the Mobus genre. Nationalists, on the other hand, are pointing as many as they can away from Satanism. The Nationalist Movement is not wooing anyone toward any particular religious denomination, but is creating a positive atmosphere, the way Josh has done, in which the masses of people will want to take part.
Background
When Final Conflict, a British Nationalist magazine, published its report over the Internet in 1996 lamenting, Satanism and its Allies - The Nationalist Movement under Attack, most were incredulous but very few alarmed. Some even pointed to devils as team-mascots and raunchy lyrics as a kind of rebelliousness that served only to shake things up or attract attention. Some said, "Don't go negative" or simply, "Just ignore them." However, the Report stated:
This is going to raise a lot of eyebrows in The Nationalist Movement. Some people may be totally unaware about the Satanists and their attempts to infiltrate Nationalism. Others may have had an inkling at some time or another. What becomes clear is that, despite apparent differences of political ideology and tactics, these people belong to quite a limited circle. However, they have become experts at being "all things to all men" and as such have entered The Nationalist Movement at different levels and in different ways. Especially worrying for Final Conflict readers is the Satanist involvement in music. Whilst we may be aware of "Black Metal" with its "shock, horror, Satanist" tactics, there is also a genre known as "Industrial Music," which people from the "Church of Satan" and others are behind. Satanist groups from around the world are co-operating (as one would expect) and at least three "Nationalist" organizations in England are implicated. Indeed, as we go to press, one has just had an interview published in The Nexus, a typical pseudo-babble Satanist journal, from New Zealand.
After the turn of the century, however, determined efforts to infiltrate Nationalism have increased, prompting Nationalists to swing into action in opposition. Shadowy financing, anti-social activities, a string of arson and people being jailed have raised the ire of not only youth, such as Josh Marcum, but a broad spectrum of patriots seeking to win the public to their cause. Nationalists are seeking to counter Satanism not only through condemnation, but by providing positive images and triumphant methods, which will bring about not only reform but resurrection.
2004-07-06 05:40 | User Profile
[url]http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2001/mobus.html[/url]
Black-metal, Satanist murderer deported
Ties to Oklahoma-City-bombing mastermind doomed asylum-seeker
BERLIN - A convicted murderer, anarchist and Satanist, who had sought refuge with the mastermind of the Oklahoma-City bombing, has been deported from the United States back to Germany. Hendrick Mobus, 25, a long-haired, bearded "metal" music enthusiast, had originally sought asylum as a "political dissident," but was turned down by a federal court because of his association with William Pierce, author of Turner Diaries, the bombing blueprint used by executed terrorist Tim McVeigh. The court found that Pierce, who had advertised that he was seeking $100,000.00 dollars to support Mobus, was an instigator of violence. The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia had previously denied Pierce tax-exemption on the grounds that he provoked violence.
Pierce, an atheist, had been successfully sued by pro-minority lawyer Morris Dees over a fraudulent land deal with Russian-immigrant Ben Klassen. Klassen, who had been slapped with a $1-million judgment when his associate was found guilty of murder, committed suicide when authorities closed in on his North-Carolina atheist cult. Wendell Gardner, who conducts the Nationalist Warrior Training Camp for Skinheads in Mississippi, said that Klassen had once offered to deed his property to The Nationalist Movement, but that Nationalists had turned him down. "We did not want Klassen's atheism or the judgment against him for terrorism connected to Nationalist Skinheads in any way," Gardner said. The Knight-Ridder newspaper chain, in a feature about Nationalist Skinheads, described the training camp as the only lawful such facility in the country.
Gardner said that Nationalists were glad to see Mobus get the boot. "I wish all illegal aliens would be kicked out, the same way," he stressed. Mobus had described himself as a "Child-of-Satan." Mobus had been originally mentored by George Burdi, a Bulgarian living in Canada, who had produced music featuring a hippy-looking brand of Skinheads, whose mailing list was acquired by Pierce after Burdi started a mulatto group promoting diversity and homosexuality. Mobus had been convicted of a killing in Germany and was on probation at the time he fled to the United States. Pierce had stated that he wanted to make Mobus into a "Skinhead" star, however the plan drew instant opposition from Skinheads, themselves.
"Satan-worship, beatniks and hippy appearance play no part in Skinhead activism," said Shawn Colson, an Arizona Skinhead. All The Way newspaper, which promotes Skinhead views and music, stated in its February, 2001 edition that it supported the Mobus deportation. It asserted that Mobus was "mocking religion and debasing Skinheads." Jim Kelly, who organized one of the first patriotic Skinhead bands, insisted that lyrics and images had to be 100% pro-American and patriotic. Kelly had quoted the late Ian Stuart, the legendary English Skinhead bandleader, who sang: "You ride through the streets with your head held up high. For your flag and your country, you're willing to die." Skinhead Corkey Bowman, a leading anti-communist broadcaster, had said that beatnik-types are "phoneys" and had warned "true Skinheads" against them.
In its Internet report entitled State of the Skinheads, Crosstar had termed Mobus, "a long-haired, Abbie Hoffman look-alike. The complete opposite of what Skinheads had begun and were fighting to carry on." The report described Mobus -- who received a mandatory haircut in prison -- as "slight, bearded and raunchy, fancying 'black metal' atheism, with looks and rhythm that would make any Sixties' peacenik groove and salivate." Mobus was apprehended staying at Pierce's estate in West Virginia, under heavy FBI surveillance. A number of Pierce's associates have been arrested for murder, bombing and terrorism in recent years. Several have killed themselves. Pierce, a vocal supporter of Tim McVeigh, had propagated what he termed his Free Hendrick Mobus campaign. He had advertised that he intended to "free" Mobus, with the help of various other outspoken proponents of McVeigh. Colson described McVeigh as an "anarchist, terrorist and communist" and said that "neither McVeigh nor Mobus nor the devil are proper role models for Americans, Skinheads or Nationalists, who fight for an America which is free, pure and clean."
2004-07-07 00:05 | User Profile
"Satan-worship, beatniks and hippy appearance play no part in Skinhead activism," said Shawn Colson, an Arizona Skinhead.
Good to hear some WN's aren't just besnozzed by this, "we're all fighting for white interests" line.
I wonder BTW if this Shawn Colson as any relationship to our own (formally at least) Franco. Maybe he could set "Unc" back in line. :lol:
2004-07-07 00:54 | User Profile
According to the SPLC, one of David Duke's right hand men is a former "Satanist" musician.
[img]http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/I/ir111_breedinglimo_200x143.jpg[/img]
Like many on the racist right, Bruce Breeding ââ¬â who more commonly goes by his alias, Vincent Breeding, and sometimes calls himself Vincent Edwards ââ¬â emerged from the hard-edged fringes of the "black metal" music scene.
From 1992 to 1995, Breeding was a studio guitarist for the black metal band Acheron, which, according to a review on deathmetal.com, embodied "the very essence of Satanism." For part of this period, Breeding worked at a Tampa-area strip club and, in 1994, he joined the neo-Nazi National Alliance* and helped to build its Tampa unit into one of most active in the country.
[URL=http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=209#3]Link[/URL]
2004-07-07 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]According to the *SPLC, one of David Duke's right hand men is a former* "Satanist" musician.
[img]http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/I/ir111_breedinglimo_200x143.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]The two operative terms are in bold. Nope, I messed up. the operative terms are "SPLC" and "former."
2004-07-07 01:53 | User Profile
Apart from what the SPLC says, I know for fact this Breeding character is close to Duke.
I've personally seen Breeding at a Duke event that was held in my area before Duke went to prison.
Breeding was part of Duke's entourage.
And at the EURO conference Duke also appeared to be close to the NA leadership -- yes, the same people who harbored this Mobus person.
[QUOTE=GaConfed]The two operative terms are in bold. **[/QUOTE]
2004-07-07 04:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Apart from what the SPLC says, I know for fact this Breeding character is close to Duke.
I've personally seen Breeding at a Duke event that was held in my area before Duke went to prison.
Breeding was part of Duke's entourage.
At the EURO conference Duke also appeared to be close to the NA leadership -- yes, the same people who harbored this Mobus person.[/QUOTE]I really don't follow Duke at all, but I'd read that Duke was going through at least what seemed an "anti-Christian" phase. This sort of jives with that. Along with what seems to have been an unnatural eclipse of Duke's public fortunes, even taking into account the gov't harassment.
Anyway, Barrett's refusal to work with or even link to other WN organizations sure seems a lot less difficult to understand when one gets to know about these other WN organizations.
2004-07-07 04:32 | User Profile
True, but the question is: how much of this stuff stems from AP activity?
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Anyway, Barrett's refusal to work with or even link to other WN organizations sure seems a lot less difficult to understand when one gets to know about these other WN organizations.[/QUOTE]
2004-07-07 04:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Good to hear some WN's aren't just besnozzed by this, "we're all fighting for white interests" line.
I wonder BTW if this Shawn Colson as any relationship to our own (formally at least) Franco. Maybe he could set "Unc" back in line. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Shawn Colson is totally legit, if Barrett and them mentioned him.
Barrett runs only verified info that has been tested carefully.
He does not mention folks that are questionable.
2004-07-07 04:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]According to the SPLC, one of David Duke's right hand men is a former "Satanist" musician.
[img]http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/I/ir111_breedinglimo_200x143.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I have listened to Acheron, which is the Tampa Bay satanist band that Breeding played with.
It was back in my hardcore metal days.
2004-07-07 04:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Apart from what the SPLC says, I know for fact this Breeding character is close to Duke.
I've personally seen Breeding at a Duke event that was held in my area before Duke went to prison.
Breeding was part of Duke's entourage.
And at the EURO conference Duke also appeared to be close to the NA leadership -- yes, the same people who harbored this Mobus person.[/QUOTE]
Breeding recently had to quit EURO right?
He was exposed as setting up sex encounters between black athletes and white women, and for running a porn site.
Breeding strikes me as an interloper sent over from the left to co-opt the rightists.
2004-07-07 17:21 | User Profile
I wouldn't know about that; I really don't pay enough attention to WN off the Internet to follow those kinds of details.
[QUOTE=Damian1977]Breeding recently had to quit EURO right?
He was exposed as setting up sex encounters between black athletes and white women, and for running a porn site.
Breeding strikes me as an interloper sent over from the left to co-opt the rightists.[/QUOTE]
2004-07-08 04:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]I wouldn't know about that; I really don't pay enough attention to WN off the Internet to follow those kinds of details.[/QUOTE]
I am a white nationalist online, since I cannot be one out in the real world due to the multi-culti sewer I live in.