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Thread ID: 14391 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2004-07-01
2004-07-01 19:58 | User Profile
I'm surprised some sharp, enterprising Jewish lawyer isn't making this case:
Under the principle of American law "innocent until proven guilty":
Given: Saddam Hussein has denied the charges brought against him in Allawi's kangaroo court...
...[B]No charges made previously [/B] -- about his nuclear capacity, weapons of mass destruction, links with bin Laden and al Queda terrorism -- [B]HAVE PROVEN TRUE, THOUGH ASSUMED AS THE BASIS FOR WAR[/B]. ThIs casts a deep, dark shadow over the accusers, Iraq's self-appointed, self-annointed "liberators", stirring up hatred for him, personally, to get by with an oil/Israel grab: grab of his land for the sake of both.
He is entitled to retain title and dignity accorded a head of state that has been cut off from the body of the Iraqi people, and to act toward them as he would father-murdering sons, insolent curs.
He invaded Kuwait, he said, partly to put an end to Kuwaiti's using Iraqi women as $10 whores, calling them "dogs". The judge said "None of that. This is a court of law." Saddam Hussein said, and I quote, "Why would you behave in amanner we might call hasty later on?" (in refusing to sign any document stating he "understood" the charges, which would tacitly legitimize the proceedings.
Like him or not, this shows someone not only together, knowing who and what he is, with full awareness of the circumstances, but also unbroken, asserting his dignities and authority, and kicking Kuwaiti butt out the door.
In short, a man. Not a "monster", except as monsters go who rule. Maybe Hitler was such a man (allowing that both likely had been severely traumatized in formative years). The point is, the last shred of the [B]evil terror veil, as a sustainable group-fantasy[/B] projectl has been broken.
The outstanding remaining charge against this man whose image has been polluted, grotesque-eried, defiled (by displaying the bodies of his sons and generals) and despoiled for propaganda purposes (by staging the famous statue pull-down) -- all by people and factions who hated him and had something to gain for themselves by beheading Iraq -- ....is that "he poisoned his own people". Surely the worse thing a leader could do, fantasy wise, given that they serve the psychological function of group "container", specifically, the poisonous placenta that threatens the oxygen-diminished, helpless fetus stuck in the birth canal. (= how all Americans are obliged to feel, now, courtesy of Bush & Blair's anal romp over Baghdad) And that is why it was used repeatedly to justify atatcking Saddam Hussein. "He poisoned his own people (children)" translates, by identification of "us" as children of Bush, with "the people of Iraq", to: if "we" (led by Bush) can get Saddam Husseing off of "them" (=our displaced suffering unborn siblings), "we" can get Bush off of America. That is the dream-thought driving demand for "regime change". In "liberating them", we are liberating ourselves, at the unconscious level. The connecting link is the pre-conscious idea of "riddance" as expunging, torturing, killing the phantom poisonous placenta (aka now "the expanded al Queda netwark under al Zarqawi"), acting out the demands of rebirth (forgiveness of sin) through blood sacrifice.
When th facts come out that the Kurds allegedly poisoned onhis orders in No. Iraq were not "his people", ethnically; the poison may have come from Iran, as they were in the midst of war, so it was a battlefield incident in any case; the actual substances might have been made in the USA, 'nuff said. (alsewhere for the rest) So there goes every other rational reason for war except hate, and that is Saddam Hussein's defense. You (the people, he can say),, and Bush (the leader of you people) have to hate me, and kill me, because that is the only way you can justify your lying, inferior existence.
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By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD, Iraq - A defiant Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) rejected accusations of war crimes and genocide in court Thursday, telling a judge in his first public appearance since his capture that the real "criminal" was President Bush (news - web sites).
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Saddam was handcuffed when brought to the court but the shackles were removed for the 30-minute arraignment at Camp Victory, one of his former palaces on the outskirts of Baghdad. "I am Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq (news - web sites)," Saddam said unprompted, sitting down in a chair facing the judge on the other side of a wooden railing. When asked his name, he repeated it in full: "Saddam Hussein al-Majid, president of Iraq." The appearance, broadcast on Arab satellite television stations, gave Iraqis their first look at the former dictator since his capture by the U.S. military seven months ago. They saw a Saddam whose mood ranged from nervousness and exasperation to contempt and defiance ââ¬â even flashes of anger. At times, he seemed to lecture the young judge. Unaccompanied by a lawyer, Saddam refused to sign a list of charges against him unless he had legal counsel, and he questioned the court's jurisdiction. "Please allow me not to sign until the lawyers are present. ... Anyhow, when you take a procedure to bring me here again, present me with all these papers with the presence of lawyers. Why would you behave in a manner that we might call hasty later on?" he said. Saddam also accused the White House of orchestrating the hearing. "You know that this is all a theater by Bush, the criminal, to help him with his campaign," he said. The 67-year-old Saddam appeared most agitated when the subject came to the invasion of Kuwait ââ¬â one of the broad charges against him. "The armed forces went to Kuwait," Saddam said. "Is it possible to raise accusations against an official figure and this figure be treated apart from the official guarantees stipulated by the constitution and the law? Where is this law upon which you are conducting investigations? "How could Saddam be tried over Kuwait that said it will reduce Iraqi women to 10-dinar prostitutes?" Saddam asked, referring to himself in the third person. "He defended Iraq's honor and revived its historical rights over those dogs." At this point, the judge admonished him and said he would not tolerate such language in the courtroom. The seven broad charges against Saddam are the killing of religious figures in 1974; gassing of Kurds in Halabja in 1988; killing the Kurdish Barzani clan in 1983; killing members of political parties in the last 30 years; the 1986-88 "Anfal" campaign of displacing Kurds; the suppression of the 1991 uprisings by Kurds and Shiites; and the 1990 invasion of Kuwait.
2004-07-03 03:13 | User Profile
If it takes a ruthless dictator to straighten things out in Iraq....(Don Imus's suggestion a month or two ago -- ask him if he will take it back)...
What will it take here?
That could be one of the questions addressed by the Pentagon's selected audio/images of Saddam Hussein. [B]*WARNING!: THIS IS MIND-BLOWING STUFF. NY TIMES REPORTER JOHN BURNS BURNS BUSH?[/B]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/variety/20040701/va_ne_al/sounds_of_silence_3[/url]
Sounds of silence
Wed Jun 30,10:07 PM ET
Pamela McClintock, STAFF
NEW YORK -- U.S. news networks agreed to let the American military censor out certain images of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s court hearing Thursday in Baghdad, one in a bizarre series of events surrounding coverage of the session.
American and Iraqi officials did not want any footage shown of Iraqi guards or court personnel, and they asked broadcast and cable news nets to honor this request.
But the situation took an unexpected turn even before the hearing began, when U.S. officials ordered CNN and Al-Jazeera, the pool camera crews, to disconnect their audio equipment. Officials said it was the wish of the Iraqi judge.
Following the hearing, the CNN footage was taken to the convention center, where a CBS News employee transmitted the footage after it was viewed and okayed by two military censors.
As the silent footage of Hussein began to air on U.S. networks around 8:30 a.m. ET, CBS News anchor Dan Rather explained that the tapes had been "taken to another location, edited, and what you're seeing is in effect a censored version" of what happened in court earlier today.
"And whether you will hear what happened in court is yet to be determined. We know that Saddam Hussein challenged the whole legitimacy of the court," Rather said.
TV journalists were frustrated by the fact that there was no audio -- at least initially. It turned out that some of the footage had ambient sound, albeit in Arabic.
It's also possible that some of the footage was supplied by Dept. of Defense cameras, which were allowed to record sound. Throughout the day, several news nets said it wasn't always clear which footage was from what source, and that it could have been DOD footage, meaning the Pentagon (news - web sites) was directly controlling what was being heard.
The two U.S. military officials watching over the CNN footage being transmission ordered that some of the ambient sound be muted. However, other portions of CNN tapes with audio may have been allowed to go through.
News nets receiving the transmissions were alerted to the fact that authorities had ordered that there be no audio, and it was up to each individual net to decide whether to air that part of the video that had sound.
Soundbite search
Some news editors spent hours scouring the portion of the tape with audio for harsh words leveled at President Bush (news - web sites) by Saddam, but could not find the quote reported by New York Times reporter John Burns, who was the pool print reporter in the courtroom and accompanied by a translator. Burns reported that Saddam said, "Everyone knows that this is a theatrical comedy by Bush, the criminal, in an attempt to win the election."
The only other Western journalists in the courtroom were ABC News anchor Peter Jennings and CNN's Christiane Amanpour.
The Pentagon could not be reached for comment as to why it didn't want any audio, or why it allowed some of the sound.
Besides CNN and the New York Times, an Al-Jazeera camera crew was allowed in the courtroom, as was a print reporter for Arab newspapers.
In planning for media coverage, U.S. officials used the phrase "perp walk" to describe Saddam's arrival at the hearing.
Except for NBC, all the U.S. broadcast news divisions and cable news nets broke into normal programming to air the footage of Saddam. NBC News' "Today" did not air the footage, a decision it later reversed for the West Coast feed. Instead, the East Coast edition of "Today" stuck to an interview with Robert Redford and, later, a shot of co-host Katie Couric playing badminton on Rockefeller Plaza.
"It was a mistake," a spokeswoman for "Today" said.
The NBC affiliate in Boston temporarily dropped the network feed to air the courtroom footage.
The East Coast edition of "Today" did carry several live reports from Baghdad correspondent Richard Engel on the courtroom events. The network didn't advise viewers to turn to sister cable news net MSNBC for continuing coverage, as it sometimes does during a breaking news story.
2004-07-03 03:24 | User Profile
The mark of a true leader is not how he acts when he is in power, for he knows that he has the power, but when he is alone and isolated and without a friend.
Saddam has shown me that, good or bad, he is indeed a leader,,,,,, the way that he acted in court was irreproachable and dignified.
I was going to say that when Bush and Sharon turn comes up I would hoped that they would act the same way, but I know that they wont, Bush will swivel into a worn and Sharon will disappear like magic.
Like I said at one time,,,,, the time table for a dictator to kill is as follows, phase one,,war,,phase two,,,,,clean up,,,,and phase three,,,,control. Saddam was already on phase three and only keeping control of the situation, but now thanks to the US Iraq is once more at phase one.
I wish the US would leave Iraq but they can't, not now, if they were to leave the killing would be in the million and without a light at the end of the tunnel.
KERRY WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA.
The reason for this is that Bush is now a liability to the Jews, and as you know the Jews decides who the next president will be,,,,,and Kerry already stated that he will continue to support the Zionist State of Israel.
2004-07-03 04:04 | User Profile
TexasAnarch
An interesting post.
However your reference to Hitler cannot stand.
Hitler did not produce sons that raped and murdered and abused their position.
It is also a matter of record that Saddam was a student of Stalin.
Remove your Hitler inference - it is not appropriate.
Mentzer
2004-07-03 17:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]
Like I said at one time,,,,, the time table for a dictator to kill is as follows, phase one,,war,,phase two,,,,,clean up,,,,and phase three,,,,control. Saddam was already on phase three and only keeping control of the situation, but now thanks to the US Iraq is once more at phase one.
I wish the US would leave Iraq but they can't, not now, if they were to leave the killing would be in the million and without a light at the end of the tunnel. (1)
KERRY WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA. (2)
The reason for this is that Bush is now a liability to the Jews, and as you know the Jews decides who the next president will be,,,,,and Kerry already stated that he will continue to support the Zionist State of Israel.(3)[/QUOTE]
I'm adding these up: a. [B]Saddam Strikes[/B] If, as the Yahoo report said, the Pentagon actually staged S.H.'s courtroom appearance, that means (IMHO) it was done IN ORDER TO BOOST HIS IMAGE, AND MAKE BUSH LOOK BAD -- UNABLE TO 'FINISH THE JOB', which is the way it has largely come off.
b. [B]Nadar Spikes[/B] Another current events OD thread has Ralph dishing out unprecendented strong anti-Israel talk, specifically "US is Israel's puppet". That is another way of saying ZOG. [B]But that, too, would be calculated[/B] . It is one of the key tricks of Jewish sign-use to get the worst thing being said about them out there, from a safely descreditable source, THEN DROPPED. Just left there, as a standing admonition -- turned by the label of "anti-Semitism: [B]against the accuser[/B] . Then, anyone saying similar things later will be outside the system, "raging nut cases", etc., and the catergorically intolerant response to Israel's categorically intolerant maniipuilation of US foreign policy will have been contained, this (s)electrion year. We get Kerrty dumped into (whatever is left of) The White House (after the two previous inhabitants) the way Clinton, then this Bush were dumped into our lives. I'm not so sure I think they can puill ijt off "one more time, for the Gipper." There's this gigantic storm approaching ... from the south and west, and out of all the north,...
(c) [B]Foxman Bites[/B] Sure enough, as someone on the board predicted, Abe Foxman immediately chimes in with
"...one may disagree with America's Middle East approach, but to assert that U.S. policy in such a complex and volatile region is the product of wholesale manipulation by a foreign government fails to take into account important U.S. interests that are involved. Moreover, the image of the Jewish State as a "puppeteer," controlling the powerful U.S. Congress feeds into many age-old stereotypes which have no place in legitimate public discourse."
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Pedant that I am, I would make the point that he is doing, with his words (specifically, "manipulate") what he is denying Israeli Jews do ("How is it possible for us to be so deceptive?" -- it leaves you momentarily aghast). Thus, confirming the basis of the age-old stereotype of pernurious, cold, avaricious, super-tricky, sneaky, devious, depraved, unredeemable; precisely as the Archetypal Old Jew of alchemy was depicted (with the "black Shulamite soul"; cf. C. Jung's Mysterium Conjunctionis). This isn't just stereotyping. It's reason to really hate the bastards, like franco said.
Foxman's formulae-ized sign-use illustrates what I call the "double-reverse negative". He hopes to negate any positive, healthy anti-Semitic reaction by reversing the charge of "puppetteer", applied to Israel in re "American foreign policy in the Middle East" [B]AS IF HE, JEW, KNEW WHAT THE HELL THAT WAS AND IS TO BE[/B] (reversal 2 - he doesn't, unless permitted by the people of America). This is just a formal point, useful to generalize from.
[B]Add 'em up: Saddam strikes - Nadar spikes - Foxman Bites.[/B] An all out [B]BIG SEQUE[/B] is underway.
I have one further confirmation from the local press. The NAACP announced an $18Million suit (lawfirm of Ronald Benjamin) against a local school district for racial harassment. I don't think I need to say anything.
[url]http://www.pressconnects.com/[/url] Racism suit filed against JC schools 'Racially hostile environment' leads families to seek $18M JOHNSON CITY -- Johnson City school employees created a "racially hostile environment" by failing to address racism and failing to encourage academic success in black students, three parents charged in an $18 million lawsuit filed against the district Friday. .....
2004-07-03 17:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]TexasAnarch
An interesting post.
Remove your Hitler inference - it is not appropriate.
Mentzer[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
I actually hesitated originally, vaguely sensing the difference you note. However, if the thread posted elsewhere on Hitler's initiation into the occult, during his Vienna period, are true, it would likely have involved anal rape, a la Crowley's cult (ideas of "evil" and mastery-control over puppetts imported from ancient Persia via French debaucherie) . That would account for the mental castration and his obvious sexual climaxing in the faces of German throngs transfixed by him in the great speech acts. The Stalin-Saddam sort of (what is nowadays called; and is) abuse of boys by totally overpowering fathers they grow up under (in side or outside their own heads) is a different, more primitive thing. But Hitler was, after all, west European civilization culture; if he had been born true Ayran, maybe he would have been just like Saddam Hussein. That's what neocons kept saying. Now, they seem to have brought both back, in spirit.