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Thread ID: 14368 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2004-06-29
2004-06-29 20:16 | User Profile
[I]Does the US have to tell the whole world what to do and what it can't do?? Does the US expect the entire world to do what it says?? Are the other nations allowed to disagree with US dictating the way it should be?? Not only is Turkey poor, but "poor-ous" borders would mean if you get into Turkey and get a passport, you can work or live anywhere in Europe. These invaders would obviously be Muslims. Just what Europe needs! [/I]
Bush Defies Chirac, Says Turkey Merits EU Place
Jun 29, 6:50 AM (ET)
ISTANBUL (Reuters) - President Bush said on Tuesday that Turkey belongs in the European Union and that Europe is "not the exclusive club of a single religion" in what amounted to a rejection of French President Jacques Chirac.
In remarks prepared for delivery at a Istanbul university, Bush refused to back down in the face of Chirac's criticism on Monday that Bush had no business urging the EU to set a date for Turkey to start entry talks into the union.
"America believes that as a European power, Turkey belongs in the European Union," Bush said.
Bush is to use the speech to try to mend relations between Muslims and Americans left tattered relations by the Iraq war.
"We must strengthen the ties and trust and good will between ourselves and the peoples of the Middle East," he said.
Bush held up Turkey as an example of a Muslim democracy and said its entry to the EU would be "a crucial advance in relations between the Muslim world and the West, because you are part of both."
"Including Turkey in the EU would prove that Europe is not the exclusive club of a single religion, and it would expose the 'clash of civilizations' as a passing myth of history," Bush said.
Chirac said on Monday that Bush should not comment on Turkey's EU entry hopes as EU affairs were none of his business.
"If President Bush really said that the way I read it, well, not only did he go too far but he went into a domain which is not his own," Chirac told reporters at the summit.
"It is like me trying to tell the United States how it should manage its relations with Mexico," he added.
Turkey is keen to use the NATO to showcase its credentials as a westward-looking democracy before December, when EU leaders decide if it has met the political criteria to be put on the formal road to EU membership.
Countries such as Germany, Italy and Britain strongly back Ankara's bid, but Chirac's government has expressed wariness about kicking off a formal process to admit the relatively poor country of 70 million people.
[url]http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/412043[/url]
2004-06-29 20:30 | User Profile
Bush cares little if his policies decimate the white race. Thus it is no surprise that he should put goals such as 'international unity' above the maintence of barriers to white biological and cultural decline.
2004-06-29 22:37 | User Profile
Turkey is the EU's suicide pill. It will open the door wide for Arab muslims to flood the EU, as if they're not doing it already.
Europe is "not the exclusive club of a single religion"
This betrays not only a hatred of the white race, not only a hatred of western culture, but a hatred of Christianity itself. We are long past the point where a Christian can be excused for voting for Bush. To Bush, Islam is just a Christian denomination. And, to Bush, Judaism is the religion of the master race. Ultimatly, this is just another boost for paganism (secularism) Europe.
2004-06-29 23:03 | User Profile
Indeed.
I suspect that somewhere deep inside of Bush there is a Christian who realizes that he is betraying his faith by giving into Zionist fanatacism and equating the Christian and Islamic message (e.g., emphasizing that 'Islam is a religion of peace.') A normal person responds to such doubts by being humble in his actions. A meglomaniac--i.e., almost every 20th Century President of 'the most powerful nation on earth--responds by universalizing his doubted beliefs, confusing dissenting voices abroad with the dissent in his own heart.
2004-06-30 08:32 | User Profile
Its actually a good thing Dumbya is pushing Turkish admission into the EU. He's such a widely hated figure in Europe, from the west Irish coast to the Urals, that any controversial proposal he backs is probably less likely to come to fruition by simple virtue of bearing the Bush Stamp of Approval. The few European political leaders that like Bush, such as Italy's Silvio Berlusconi, are actually the ones most strongly opposed to Turkish admission to the EU. It ain't gonna happen, unless the Jews get some new, much more firm grip on the levers of European power. If anything, I suspect their European power is waning, rather than waxing (although recent developments in the OSCE make that picture somewhat muddled).
2004-06-30 16:45 | User Profile
unless the Jews get some new, much more firm grip on the levers of European power. If anything, I suspect their European power is waning, rather than waxing (although recent developments in the OSCE make that picture somewhat muddled).
This is what I'd like to find more discussion of, the degree that Europe is under the thumb of international finance and its American enforcer and therefore unable to separate from Jewish American policy. Every time I see a ray of sunshine over there I remember that Europeans are in other ways even more subjugated than any other whites, possibly excepting Canadians.
Hitler knew international financial control for the monster it was, and I worry that it is underestimated by us. Then again, I may overestimate it.
Somebody, please offer your thoughts about this.
2004-06-30 18:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ruffin]This is what I'd like to find more discussion of, the degree that Europe is under the thumb of international finance and its American enforcer and therefore unable to separate from Jewish American policy. Every time I see a ray of sunshine over there I remember that Europeans are in other ways even more subjugated than any other whites, possibly excepting Canadians.
Hitler knew international financial control for the monster it was, and I worry that it is underestimated by us. Then again, I may overestimate it.
Somebody, please offer your thoughts about this.[/QUOTE]
Ruffin, I'm no expert, especially in European financial policy, but my perception of Europeans (having visited Europe numerous times) is that they are way more likely to be free thinkers and engaging conversationalists than Americans, despite the grievous European laws against free thought and speech. Go figure.
In the 'land of the free' for example, discussing [I]any conspiracy[/I], jewish or otherwise, with regular Americans in person or on the internet, can invoke some wicked backlash and/or shrill and angry responses against you. That Americans are thoroughly brainwashed against free thought is an understatement. Talking about racial differences in the USA is downright dangerous.
I've found, through my travel experiences and conversations with different Europeans (actually, both here and abroad), that you can broach this same subject and get intelligent conversation and/or even cordial agreement (or disagreement) about such issues, like race, immigration, jews, American imperialism, international affairs, politics, etc.
Anyway, it's just my perception.
Getting back to Turkey's bid for EU membership. It's ironic that Bush's core supporters, Jewish neocons, Christian Zionuts, and NASCAR dads LOATHE Muslims and Islam with a passion. Jerry Falwell is allowed to go on national jewish television and slander Muhammed, the greatest prophet in Islam! (imagine he slandered Moses or Abraham and defiled Judaism?!).
Other Bush sycophants like Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Ted Nugent, Dennis Miller, Joe Farah, Laura Ingrham and many others, have cheerfully, forcefully and viciously called for nothing less than genocide of Muslims/Arabs in order to "win the war on terrorism". Yet, their Supreme Leader George Bush demands that Muslims and Islam is desirable for Western countries.
I don't quite get it.
2004-06-30 21:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Ruffin, I'm no expert, especially in European financial policy, but my perception of Europeans (having visited Europe numerous times) is that they are way more likely to be free thinkers and engaging conversationalists than Americans, despite the grievous European laws against free thought and speech. Go figure.
In the 'land of the free' for example, discussing [I]any conspiracy[/I], jewish or otherwise, with regular Americans in person or on the internet, can invoke some wicked backlash and/or shrill and angry responses against you. That Americans are thoroughly brainwashed against free thought is an understatement. Talking about racial differences in the USA is downright dangerous.
I've found, through my travel experiences and conversations with different Europeans (actually, both here and abroad), that you can broach this same subject and get intelligent conversation and/or even cordial agreement (or disagreement) about such issues, like race, immigration, jews, American imperialism, international affairs, politics, etc.
Anyway, it's just my perception.[/QUOTE]
I believe this to be the case also. For years now I've gotten the impression that the western Euro governments are struggling to keep the lid on over there, and my guess is that the primary instrument of oppression is the dependence on the international financial network that was forced on them in 1945 and which the EU is surely a device employed to maintain and increase its grip. I'm sure they have their share of sycophants and lemmings among the general populations and of course in charge of the governing structures, but signs like this, Chirac opposing Turkey's EU membership and official opposition to American wars and tempered restrictions on immigration, among others, tells me that the French and German and other governments in varying degrees are having to throw their people bones with more and more meat on them. When Bush tells Chirac to accept Turkey into the [I]European Union[/I] one has to ask where he gets the authority to do this. The thing that points me to financial blackmail is the snowball that is finance. In DeGaulle's day American leaders might've huffed and puffed but short of another military invasion they'd have had to live with occasional signs of semi non-alignment. Look at "Bush's poodle" in Britain for another excellent example of complete subserviance. Unlike the public impression of the relationship between Churchill and Roosevelt, Brits know their PM is a servant to a foreign massa.
I simply MUST find some expert analysis of the importance of this financial web in keeping Europe stifled, assuming it is. If it is, and if an implosion is coming at all, then I expect radical change in Europe a good while before definite signs of financial failure even become apparent in the US. This, based on knowledge of how the game is played and on what's around the corner, by European leaders. For the good of Europe I hope such a thing occurs while the US is very bogged down in the middle east. Unfortunately, I could be valuing the financial aspect too highly, which would cause me to drastically misread the situation. I have to correct this uncertainty before I decide which European language to learn!
2004-06-30 21:27 | User Profile
It looks like the honeymoon between Turkey and the state of Israel is over, Turkey WILL NOT give the state of Israel any water and a multi million arms deal was also canceled,,,,,,, Turkey is kind of pissed off about the situation in Palestine and what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinian people,,,,,, And now that Turkey will be part of the EU they want to start with clean hands,,,,,,,
As you know Bush is involving NATO in the training of the Iraqi army and I wonder where this training will be, on the Moon?
If NATO goes into Iraq they also will be target of opportunity and Bush knows this, the troops from NATO will have to defend themselves by shooting back and that's exactly how Bush wants to get NATO involved in Iraq.
The Israeli army also wants to get involved by "training" the Iraqi army,,,,, I would love to see that happen,,,,,, I don't think that no Jewish soldier would return home alive,,,,,, and if that doesn't happen then I would be extremely disappointed of the Arabs.
2004-07-01 06:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]And now that Turkey will be part of the EU they want to start with clean hands[/QUOTE]
Turkey is NOT going to be part of the European Union. No way. Bush is dreaming if he thinks they are. France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, the Netherlands, and certainly Greece and Cyprus, i.e. pretty much EVERYONE in the EU, is against such a terrible idea (as are any and all Balkan nations, whether inside the EU or as prospective members). The Greeks might even withdraw from the EU and do an anschluss with Cyprus in protest. Ain't gonna happen.
2004-07-01 13:00 | User Profile
AY and Ruffin, thanks for further elaborating on my posts. The US Gov. knows it's losing it's influence over Europe and are desperately trying to save face. All the while, two big powers Russia and China sit back and laugh at us.
The Jews are also desperate. Let's just say for arguments sake, that Jewish influence in Europe is less than it is in America. That being said, the AmeriJewish media needs to portray Europeans as villians, or weaklings, or pacifists and this type of brainwashing is working on many Americans in order to bring ordinary Americans in line solely with Israeli interests. Europeans, I perceive, are not ignorant of history. The Jews know this and are now clamoring for further laws against "anti-semitism" at the same time turning Whites against Whites. When I hear American Whites defiling their racial brethren in Europe, it makes my blood boil something awful. I'm not a European sycophant, but I just think Europe is the front line for White resistance and survival. America, it seems, is just too far gone and diluted to try it.
Bush's double standard, in reference to wanting Turkey in the EU, while at the same time killing Muslims and creating terrorists in the Middle East, is now blatantly obvious to Europeans and they're making moves to counter American hegemony. We'll see what happens.
2004-07-02 04:57 | User Profile
Kill Him.
The World cannot afford garbage.
Kill Them. Simply, Kill them. Kill Them . Do you hear me ? I said KILL THEM.
Saddam Hussein, ikf given to a trulyt Iraqi coourt, would be set free and acknowleged as the hero he is.
Saddam Husssein was a great leader. He was not a scumbag dictator.
God Damn False Israel and its feeder False Americca. I hope tthis land suffers mass nucleaar strikes. I know that onlt millions dying willl awaken anything. Brriing the bombs. AMerica and Israel are EVIL. Blood should be given back. The day 200,000 AMericans Die will be the day maybe America feels any sense of humanity at alll.. we need a wake up call. I hate AMerica. As Americans we have to understand WHY we are hated by all the earth. If not, then we welcome all hate to be visited upon us, and we deserve it.
The only way out of this madness is a new free state. We must MOVE into a designated iSLAND and declare it as an independant nation founded on all the principles of the Declarration of Independence and Consstitiution, and form our own country. THen we ccan defend it. The immoraal and idiot world only respects one thingg. that thing is ability to kill. AAbility ttto kill is the only way they have control over us.
The ability to kill.
Tthats all they have.
2004-07-02 07:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I just think Europe is the front line for White resistance and survival. America, it seems, is just too far gone and diluted to try it.[/QUOTE]
I've often tended to agree, in theory, with those who say Whites shoud emigrate to the Pacific Northwest, the Great Plains, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and other such places where nonWhites are thankfully few in number. Perhaps, however, we need to consider emigrating to Europe....
2004-07-02 07:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Kill Him.
The World cannot afford garbage.
Kill Them. Simply, Kill them. Kill Them . Do you hear me ? I said KILL THEM.
Saddam Hussein, ikf given to a trulyt Iraqi coourt, would be set free and acknowleged as the hero he is.
Saddam Husssein was a great leader. He was not a scumbag dictator.
God Damn False Israel and its feeder False Americca. I hope tthis land suffers mass nucleaar strikes. I know that onlt millions dying willl awaken anything. Brriing the bombs. AMerica and Israel are EVIL. Blood should be given back. The day 200,000 AMericans Die will be the day maybe America feels any sense of humanity at alll.. we need a wake up call. I hate AMerica. As Americans we have to understand WHY we are hated by all the earth. If not, then we welcome all hate to be visited upon us, and we deserve it.
The only way out of this madness is a new free state. We must MOVE into a designated iSLAND and declare it as an independant nation founded on all the principles of the Declarration of Independence and Consstitiution, and form our own country. THen we ccan defend it. The immoraal and idiot world only respects one thingg. that thing is ability to kill. AAbility ttto kill is the only way they have control over us.
The ability to kill.
Tthats all they have.[/QUOTE]
Is there something wrong with your keyboard?
2004-07-02 14:47 | User Profile
If Saddam had gone to trial nine months ago he would had received the death penalty.
Six months ago? Life in prison
Three months ago? 20 years in prison.
Today? ten years in prison.
Six months from now? he would be free
One year form now? Once again he would be the president of Iraq.
That is to say, if it is a fair trial by the people and not by those being controlled by the US.
The longer that the American army stays in Iraq the more the Iraqi people are going to want the good old days.
Don't you wish for the good old days in the USA?.,,,,,,,,,,,,,
2004-07-02 15:47 | User Profile
...they aren't that serious. In fact Europes economy is nowadays at more stable basement than Americas. Europe has still large manufacturing economy, and it is not as debted as America. Yet things are worsening here too. Out-sourcing is todays mantra, and I think that wouldn't cease before the capitalist bastard are hanged to the nearest lamppost.
No I'm not marxist, but after all centralised big corporate capitalism is mortal enemy of free markets.
If Turkey is ever included to EU it'll be prelude to end of EU, but I won't be sad of it. EU is sick socialdemocrat project, which preserves to die without honor. To say it simple EU is like Soviet Union with corporate capitalist economy. Every single detail is included in its directives and it has massive undemocratic bureaucracy.
EU would have been great blessing to continent ravaged by wars, but I think it has turned to great disaster, and mostly we could thank for that those socialdemoratic bastard politicians why all are enemies of Europe, white race, and western civilisation. I sincerely hope that they will someday get their traitors payment. Here in Finland there was an wartime poster which said simply "Petturin palkka on kuolema!" which meant: "Traitors payment is death!", it has picture of man standing against wall, blindfolded.
2004-07-03 04:13 | User Profile
Yes, Metalhead, there really was something wrong with my keyboard. I have a new one. Sorry about the digit repetition. On to the matter. I look on my recent posts and obviously I am spilling in anger.. but I am not angry with the American People, just the Government. Sadaam said the same thing amny times. As a true scholar of history, I know that my rants surface without documentation and references, in a way I assume a certain level of understanding about the world and its complexities. I just now thought that you can infer some understanding by this comparison.
1) Upon receiving office, Franklin Roosevelt ( FDR ) immediately granted full recognition of Communist Russia. One of his most famous quotes is that " in politics, nothing happens by accident ". In the 1930s, while the last vestiges of the British Empire ( with absolute disdain by Lawrence of Arabia ) were cutting out the map that still stands, our so-called country, the USA, formally made as ally and supported a Jewish movement called Bolshevism. Ideologogies aside, over 20 million Russian farmers were MURDERED under this regime in its forst ten years. Yet the USA Government fed them money and support. Concerning Iraq, Iraq was simply a region drawn up to appease one of Lawrence of Arabia's friends, namely 1921 Faisal Becomes Iraqi King -(8/23/21)The British received the mandate for Iraq. An insurrection resulted,which lasted six months, until the British were able to put it down, in December 1920. In June 1921, Emir Faisal, formerly the King of Syria, arrived in Iraq. Faisal was soon proclaimed King of Iraq. He remained on the Iraqi throne until 1933. If one considers many obvious facts, it is evident that Sadaam Hussein was the American darling in the 1970s and 1980s, being looked upon as progressive, putting women in Iraqi government, giving many freedoms including no taxation and gun rights, free water, free gas, etc. Only when Sadaam with his Pan-Arabic outlook posed a " ideological threat " to Israel did all the problems happen. Then the UN sanctioned Iraq and shut it out. Over 3 million babies died. When the Kuwaitis ( Kuwait is not a country. It is a group of sheiks who sell their oil to the West for vast profit ) drilled into Iraqi land, draining Iraqi oil and the leaders made statements such as " Iraqi women will all be 10 dinar prostitutes " .. well as any proud leader would do, especially considering the un-historical basis of the region and the mass influence of Jews in Kuwait, Saddam led a charge into that small land , and was even given the " green light " by April Gillespie, the US ambassador. Have I said enough ? comments ...