← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · xmetalhead
Thread ID: 14277 | Posts: 29 | Started: 2004-06-21
2004-06-21 16:48 | User Profile
[I]Toss out the 4th and 5th Amendments for good, says SCOTU. What's left? The 1st Amendment is next to go. Hold on folks, we're going to [B][SIZE=2]Hell[/SIZE][/B].[/I]
[SIZE=4][B]Cops can demand ID, high court rules[/B][/SIZE] The Associated Press
[SIZE=3]Updated: 10:47 a.m. ET June 21, 2004WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Monday that people do not have a constitutional right to refuse to tell police their names.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]The 5-4 decision frees the government to arrest and punish people who wonââ¬â¢t cooperate by revealing their identity.[/SIZE]
The rest of the story:[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5262068/[/url]
2004-06-21 19:42 | User Profile
The next step will be that you can get arrested for giving a cop a dirty look.
Do you know what is a sign of "freedom"?,,,,, the less laws that there are and the more privacy that you have.
The way things are now we are nothing but slaves to the state, this must make the Jews veryyyyyyy happy.
2004-06-23 04:03 | User Profile
I know that a lotta cops dont act this way. I was pulled over 3 weeks ago. The cop didn't ask me for ID or anything. Anyway. I thought I got barrred from here..
2004-06-23 04:10 | User Profile
The alarmists are saying its a violation of 4th Amendment Rights. But to tell you the truth, I could care less about the scum bags and drug dealers they pull over. I fully stand by the right of a cop to inspect them. Dont try that Patriot shit on me, it wont fly. Respect is what I was taught to show, When a police offiicer, Statie or City pulls me over, I treat that man with respect. " Hi Officer, hows it going tonight " .. not " You have no right to pull me over I invoke my Constitutional Rights " .. what a joke. Common Sense Respect. Respect for the Officer and his ability and consciousness. When you show a cop respect, he respects you. When you don't, then you're just asking for a problem for no reason. btw if I had a body in my trunk, I bet I would get off and you would not.
2004-06-23 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]The alarmists are saying its a violation of 4th Amendment Rights. But to tell you the truth, I could care less about the scum bags and drug dealers they pull over. I fully stand by the right of a cop to inspect them. Dont try that Patriot shit on me, it wont fly. Respect is what I was taught to show, When a police offiicer, Statie or City pulls me over, I treat that man with respect. " Hi Officer, hows it going tonight " .. not " You have no right to pull me over I invoke my Constitutional Rights " .. what a joke. Common Sense Respect. Respect for the Officer and his ability and consciousness. When you show a cop respect, he respects you. When you don't, then you're just asking for a problem for no reason. btw if I had a body in my trunk, I bet I would get off and you would not.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you.
I thought police officers usually ask you for your ID anyway.
I don't see this ruling as a very big deal but I guess I rally to the "give them an inch and they try to take a mile" train of thought.
2004-06-23 18:51 | User Profile
The first step always leads either to freedom or slavery, which way do you think we are going now?
First they made it illegal to run away from a cop (even if he is a crazy cop) then they came out with the "no warrant" search ruling and now you have to talk even if you dont want to do so.
2004-06-23 19:27 | User Profile
My feeling from reading the original story, was that the Police State can ask for "your papers" JUST TO ASK. Sooner rather than later, the Police State can demand "your papers" just because they felt like it and, also, you just look funny. All in the name of "homeland security" of course, ahem, of course Kommandant. My papers.
2004-06-23 21:55 | User Profile
Well, "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me," let them figure that one out.
How can they arrest you for not wanting to incriminate yourself? I mean, you did give them an answer, no? even if it was not the answer that they wanted to hear.
2004-06-23 23:08 | User Profile
Of course, if you're in a vehicle you must identify yourself, but on the street? With no plausible crime they could charge you with? Oh yeah, sure it's fine if its only used on drug dealers, scumbags, other people unworthy of rights... Just wait until paleos are being IDed on flimsy pretexts outside of conferences during some bogus hate speech investigation! You'll find the government is putting you in the same category as those you wouldn't afford rights. It could happen sooner than you think. Just use your imagination - think of a future with nonwhite cops harrassing white minorities- maybe you should think of a day when cops aren't your friend, and when US cops are like something out of Tijuana rather than Mayberry.
The answer to crime is a tight knit, conservative society, it isn't some new power for the police.
Skippy
2004-06-24 01:56 | User Profile
There's larger issues to worry about. Cops are just regular guys and I see no difference in their behavior between now and 25 years ago. The officer still uses his individual judgement in every case. Just because it's " law " doesn't mean that Joe Cop is a soldier of the New World Order. We have much more to worry about concerning the Feds than the local police.
2004-06-24 21:02 | User Profile
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2004-06-24 22:21 | User Profile
I wonder what would happen if you were to give your aka instead of your name, after all the cops do have a record of you using an aka.
Remember also that is not illegal to give, or use, an aka as long as it is not intended to break the law.
I should know, I have used aka's before with no problems.
2004-06-24 22:27 | User Profile
And of course Whites will bear the brunt of this police state.
2004-06-25 00:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I wonder what would happen if you were to give your aka instead of your name, after all the cops do have a record of you using an aka.[/QUOTE]
The Nevada law in this case only requires that you identify yourself to police if they suspect you were involved in a crime.
Thus, as far as I can tell, you still cannot be randomly pulled off the street and asked your name nor are you required to give your name if you are merely a witness. And, I don't see what's wrong with giving a nickname as long as you're not doing it with intent to break the law.
2004-06-26 08:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]And of course Whites will bear the brunt of this police state.[/QUOTE]
Of course.
Non-whites ravage and pillage our once great land and any sign of protest by us is considered "hate" or "racism".
These new powers being sought by our government are not meant to keep those third-worlders in check, but to do something with "us".
"Us" being those who disagree with this forced "multiculturalism" and "diversity" which is constantly forced down our throats like it is the gospel itself.
"Us" meaning those white folks with some testicular fortitude left.
2004-06-26 21:29 | User Profile
Paul Craig Roberts' latest book (1) on prosecutorial tyranny is a good, short read. He and co-author Lawrence Stratton make it easy for the average apolitical reader to see what is wrong with giving police and courts too much power, and that it IS already a problem in America.
Another very recent book (2) that highlights the horror faced especially by political dissidents is the one Yorie Kahl wrote from the gulag in Leavenworth, KS. He shows as exhibits inter- gov't memos and correspondence, which expose the collusion between bureaucrats, police agents, and courts.
1 -- The Tryanny of GOOD Intentions, How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats are trampling the Constitution in the name of Justice. Forum, 2000. ISBN 0-7615-2553-X
2 -- A Writ of Habeas Corpus, Documenting the Cause of the Federal Assault on Gordon Kahl at Medina, ND. 2003, Trafford.
ISBN 1-4120-0921-9 [url="http://www.gordonkahl.com/"]www.gordonkahl.com[/url]
2004-06-26 22:53 | User Profile
Did you know that cops on the beat are now beginning to carry something that looks like a Palm Pilot that is connected to a main frame?
All that the have to do is to write you name or your license plate number or whatever and in seconds they will know all about you.
Is like the time that I saw a cop in the car next to me punching in license plates numbers like a mad man, it looks like the car in front of me was a hit because he went crazy trying to get me to move out of the way, because it was a very heavy traffic day it so happen I had car trouble, went out and lifted the hood, this gave the car in front of me time to disappear.
By the way, the guy that got beat up in LA? according to the cops the guy had a gun, it was a pair of pliers.
2005-08-15 12:34 | User Profile
[url=http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/12/Pasco/Hudson_man_cited_for_.shtml][B]Hudson man cited for size of profane sign[/B][/url]
[QUOTE]A [B]43-year-old man was cited Tuesday for painting a sign that reads "Die you miserable bitch" [I][U]on a house he owns[/U][/I][/B], Pasco County sheriff's deputies said.
A neighbor dying of cancer, 73-year-old Carol Hastrich, is believed by her family to be the subject of the message, deputies said.
The words were spray-painted in black on the side of the house facing Hastrich's front yard.
But it was not the meaning of the message that led to Derick Cooper's citation. Deputies told Hastrich's family [B]the message did not violate any laws[/B], her daughter Dea Albertson said Wednesday.
Instead, [B]Cooper was cited for an illegal sign because the wording exceeded the permitted size for a sign in a residential area[/B], Pasco Code Enforcement Officer Patrick Phillips said.
Cooper was [B]also cited for illegal dumping on the property and for a general storage violation related to old tires and other debris on the property[/B], Phillips said.
Cooper [B]received a final citation for operating a commercial business on the residential property[/B].
Albertson told a Times reporter Wednesday that she and her mother, as well as other neighbors, had complained to officials about the waste on Cooper's property for years.
The sign, Albertson said, is retribution for their complaints.
Since he received the code violation citations on Tuesday, Phillips said, Cooper has cooperated with an order to remove the sign and clean up his property.
The black lettering on the side of the house wasn't legible Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
The laws are so numerous now that there is no escape .... or is there?
[url=http://www.readingeagle.com/berksblogs/archivedstories/1413813.asp][B]Judge finds beer claim hard to swallow[/B][/url]
[QUOTE]...Judge Jeffrey K. Sprecher dismissed charges against a 44-year old Kutztown man accused of buying beer for his 17-year-old neighbor. ... Eshelman (defense attorney) said the law requires prosecutors to prove the beer contained at least 5 percent alcohol.
ââ¬ÅNo testimony or evidence on records proved that Miller Genuine Draft contained 5 percent alcohol,ââ¬Â Eshelman said.[/QUOTE]
2005-08-15 12:42 | User Profile
How do we manage our borders without identifying people?
2005-08-15 13:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker][img]http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040623/lester.gif[/img][/QUOTE] This cartoon is the best exposition of the problem. Unless the cop already has probable cause to make an arrest anyway, it is no business of his who I am and what I am doing. More victimless crimes for the police to harass people with. Sure as hell beats foot patrols in downtown areas. Those places are dangerous!
2005-08-15 13:15 | User Profile
A 43-year-old man was cited Tuesday for painting a sign that reads "Die you miserable bitch" on a house he owns, Pasco County sheriff's deputies said.
A neighbor dying of cancer, 73-year-old Carol Hastrich, is believed by her family to be the subject of the message, deputies said. That's incredibly sick. What the hell is wrong with that guy? I don't believe the sign should be illegal, but Jesus, that is unbelievably cruel. :mad:
2005-08-15 13:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]That's incredibly sick. What the hell is wrong with that guy? I don't believe the sign should be illegal, but Jesus, that is unbelievably cruel. :mad:[/QUOTE] Maybe she really is a bitch. I've run across some mean old bitchy ladies in my time.
2005-08-15 13:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Cracker of the Whip]Maybe she really is a bitch. I've run across some mean old bitchy ladies in my time.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, I have too -- believe me! LOL. But still, I couldn't wish cancer on anybody. There are many people I'd love to kill or see dead, but I don't like to see people suffer for prolonged periods.
2005-08-15 13:42 | User Profile
You just know that The American Police Force is just angrily twitching, sweat pouring down their brow, salivating mouths all while pounding a billy club in their empty palms.....just praying to get the word to crack some war protesters' heads down in Crawford, TX especially some lady named Cindy.
This is an old thread, but the Police State is here. Even though you don't see them, they're just waiting for you to step outside their drawn lines......
2005-08-15 16:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]You just know that The American Police Force is just angrily twitching, sweat pouring down their brow, salivating mouths all while pounding a billy club in their empty palms.....just praying to get the word to crack some war protesters' heads down in Crawford, TX especially some lady named Cindy.
This is an old thread, but the Police State is here. Even though you don't see them, they're just waiting for you to step outside their drawn lines......[/QUOTE] Control of the police is one aspect of what politics is all about. If someone doesn't get that they shouldn't be posting on a political bulletin board. :flex:
Over the years I have helped few cops advance, and a cop or two stabalize their careers which were under duress. That's how you make friends, regardless of if you are "in", or, if you are "out".
Then there is the cop or two, that you help to leave the police, and, the government payroll...:rolleyes:
This is the essence of politics...
2005-08-19 02:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]How do we manage our borders without identifying people?[/QUOTE] Need some of these stationed along the border.
[img]http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp-PicOfTheDay.jpg[/img]
2005-08-19 02:29 | User Profile
6killer,
I think there are some of those already down there. What we need are Cossacks.
2005-08-19 07:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Cracker of the Whip][url=http://www.readingeagle.com/berksblogs/archivedstories/1413813.asp][B]Judge finds beer claim hard to swallow[/B][/url][/QUOTE]
In a parallel universe, President Buchanan had already appointed this guy to the Supreme Court....
2005-08-19 23:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]6killer,
I think there are some of those already down there. What we need are Cossacks.[/QUOTE] Birdman changed the picture on me. The one yesterday was of a huge snake, probably a reticulated python, that was caught in an electric fence, after feasting on two kangaroos at some zoo in Australia. But today's pic is representative of the US Border Patrol. :biggrin: