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Thread ID: 14272 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2004-06-20
2004-06-20 21:41 | User Profile
Those of you who are from the US may not feel this is wholly relevant (though I suspect it will become so as time passes!)...
I've put together a broad essay on what is going on with the EU from my own (British) perspective.
I would be interested in any comments (there's a feedback form).
[url="http://www.freedom-central.net/euandbritain.html"]http://www.freedom-central.net/euandbritain.html[/url]
Dubhdara.
2004-06-20 23:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=dubhdara]I've put together a broad essay on what is going on with the EU from my own (British) perspective.[/QUOTE]
How do the French say it? You're ****ed.
The US Constitution is designed to grant very limited powers to the federal government, yet look at our run-away government. The EU Constitution will be designed to grant very limited powers to the people. If people hated slavery, the EU people are going to be some of the most miserable people on Earth in a few years. But, people don't hate slavery, as long as it's somewhat comfortable. In a 100 years when the slavery is no longer comfertoable, you can have a bloody civil war to destroy the evil EU government. If your grandchildren win, they'll be free.
There is absolutely no benefit for the people for the nations Europe to join a super-nation. You're trading your freedom for nothing. The leaders are hoping to get more power for themselves; that's their motivation.
There's a great deal of good in ironing out relationships with your neighbors. No doubt this is the bait being used to sucker the people of the EU.
2004-07-03 11:12 | User Profile
...it is very uneasy document to understand, written in very bureaucratic-type language. But when its meanings opened to me, I was shocked. For example, criticizing EU was made illegal, freedom of expression doesn't include EU-criticism, or nationalist thoughts. And so on.
In fact it remembers to me very much the 1934(?) "Great Stalinistic Constitution) of Soviet Union, which in paper quaranted many freedoms, but which made them meaningless by numerous exceptions.
But I hope that numerous national referendums prevent approvall of EU Constitution. If not there is no hope for Europe.
2004-07-03 13:56 | User Profile
Suomi - that's Finland right?
Had a friend from Finland - some place called something like lhamaniemi.
It's great you've read the draft Constitution - all 300 pages plus. It's also concerning that it speaks of a "humanist" tradition and not a religious or Christian one.
I agree it is much the same as Communism.
Dubhdara.
2004-07-03 17:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=dubhdara]Suomi - that's Finland right?[/QUOTE] Yes it is Finlands name in our own language.
Had a friend from Finland - some place called something like lhamaniemi.
[QUOTE=dubhdara] It's great you've read the draft Constitution - all 300 pages plus. It's also concerning that it speaks of a "humanist" tradition and not a religious or Christian one.
I agree it is much the same as Communism.
Dubhdara.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is quite big document, and even it's Finnish translation is written in difficult and bureaucratic way.
There has been some arguments over mentioning christianity in it, but I don't know if it is already decided. But that is not most worrysome part of it. I'm mostly worried of principles concerning division of powers. There aren't any real check and balances, executive branch has nearly all power. And democracy is buried so deep in it that there isn't really anything of it.
Mostly I hate Finnish government by it stance on national referendum considering constitution. They insist that referendum is not needed, while this piece of sh*t destroys our own constitution. I think that they wouldn't even use 2/3 or imminent 4/5 majority needed to change constitution at fast way.(if change of constitution gets 2/3 majority it goes in effect after new elections if new parliament accepts it with same majority, 4/5 majority can get it in effect instantly but it is still needed to get through with 2/3 majority from new parliament to remain in effect.) Why they won't keep national referendum for it? Because it would not pass it. People will vote [B]wrongly[/B]! I personally think that they are all traitors deserving to be shot.
2004-07-03 20:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=dubhdara]Those of you who are from the US may not feel this is wholly relevant (though I suspect it will become so as time passes!)...
I've put together a broad essay on what is going on with the EU from my own (British) perspective.
I would be interested in any comments (there's a feedback form).
[url="http://www.freedom-central.net/euandbritain.html"]http://www.freedom-central.net/euandbritain.html[/url]
Dubhdara.[/QUOTE]Well conservatives, even mainstream conservatives, have been noting the ominous developments of the EEU for some time now, its atheism, latent totalitarianism, and anti-nationalism. Really Canada isn't much different.
This is one place where conservatism seems quite on track, and radical white nationalism, with its own atheism and at least latent totalitarianism and supranationalism, curiously out of touch.
Its a very real threat of PC neo-totalitarianism, and really I think it compells us to contain our little bickerings and myraid differences of opinion and work with anyone who takes a principled stand against it.
2004-07-03 20:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Well conservatives, even mainstream conservatives, have been noting the ominous developments of the EEU for some time now, its atheism, latent totalitarianism, and anti-nationalism. Really Canada isn't much different.
This is one place where conservatism seems quite on track, and radical white nationalism, with its own atheism and at least latent totalitarianism and supranationalism, curiously out of touch.
Its a very real threat of PC neo-totalitarianism, and really I think it compells us to contain our little bickerings and myraid differences of opinion and work with anyone who takes a principled stand against it.[/QUOTE]
Regarding "radical white nationalists" on the EU issue, I've never noticed in my readings across various "camps" any sort of pro-EU sentiment. I'm not sure why there would be any pro-EU sentiment, either, since it is the EU that seeks to oppose nationalist movements (such as Haider's in Austria). Also, I'm not sure what constitutes the "supranationalism" of white nationalism. The only concept I've seen expressed that approaches that mode of thought is the idea that "white nations should never again go to war with each other." Not a bad principle, there. Of course, America last violated it when it attacked Serbia.
2004-07-03 21:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=PaleoconAvatar]Regarding "radical white nationalists" on the EU issue, I've never noticed in my readings across various "camps" any sort of pro-EU sentiment.
Perhaps. Actually you would superficially not notice any positive feelings toward any present day political program - the typical pure negativism of nihlism - nothing constructive, purely destructive (although that does sound a little bit like the neocons "creative destruction".
That said, they do seem to share a good number of the same enemies as the EEU, such as historic Christianity, democracy and rule of law, and Christian morality (though Fade did drop his "Sexuality" subforum over at the Phora.
Also, I'm not sure what constitutes the "supranationalism" of white nationalism. The only concept I've seen expressed that approaches that mode of thought is the idea that "white nations should never again go to war with each other." Not a bad principle, there. Of course, America last violated it when it attacked Serbia.[/QUOTE] Well NS was a supranational movement especially in practice such as its policy toward Poland and the non-German parts of Bohemia and Morovia, for one. And this principle seems to have been mimicked by Yockey with his concet of Imperium.
2004-07-03 23:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Perhaps. Actually you would superficially not notice any positive feelings toward any present day political program - the typical pure negativism of nihlism - nothing constructive, purely destructive (although that does sound a little bit like the neocons "creative destruction".
That said, they do seem to share a good number of the same enemies as the EEU, such as historic Christianity, democracy and rule of law, and Christian morality (though Fade did drop his "Sexuality" subforum over at the Phora.
I can imagine why people who are concerned about the survival of the white race would have no positive feelings toward the status quo. The status quo has us set on a course to submergence in a few decades.
As for the catalog of enemies you list above, you listed Christianity twice. That's cheating. Kidding aside, the only comment I'd make about that list is the word "democracy." I take it that the list above is a list of things you support, so I have to ask a clarifying question: by democracy, do you mean total universal suffrage, even for women and non-whites (who've proven that they will vote in ways that undermine white interests)? Jefferson observed that we and they [the Blacks] can't live under the same government.
Well NS was a supranational movement especially in practice such as its policy toward Poland and the non-German parts of Bohemia and Morovia, for one. And this principle seems to have been mimicked by Yockey with his concet of Imperium.[/QUOTE]
There are supranational elements to the NS regime 1933-45, such as the Waffen SS that drew volunteers from all over Europe. And your point regarding Poland and the other Slavic regions is well-taken. However, I've gotten the sense that even those people today who call themselves "National Socialists" do not endorse the subjugation of Slavs and such. In 1933-45 NS was a clearly Germanocentric movement, while these days those calling themselves that are more Eurocentric, meaning that they have a respect for the integrity of say, French and British culture and do not see it as something in competition with things German. However, I doubt most people today calling themselves NS would advocate a "supergovernment" that would run Britain, France, etc. I only see them saying that Britain should remain white, etc.
2004-07-10 10:21 | User Profile
Suomi (and others if interested),
John Bingley rather well sums up the British position regarding the outright conflict between our own Constitution and the EU. It's a pity out Government have no more regard for the Constitution than they do of the law of treason...
[url="http://www.sportsmansassociation.org.uk/eu_constitution_is_incompatible%20with%20ours.htm"]http://www.sportsmansassociation.org.uk/eu_constitution_is_incompatible%20with%20ours.htm[/url]
Learn a neat bit of history too, if you're interested in the Sceptr'd Isle!
Dubhdara (UK).
2004-07-13 19:31 | User Profile
What can citizen do when his own government and parliament ignores state's own Constitution? For example, old Constitution of Finland which was still in effect when they decided joining in to the Euro system states directly that "Finland republics money unit is Markka." "Suomen tasavallan rahayksikkö on Markka" Euro decision was direct violation of Constitution, but it was not decided in way needed to change constitution, but like normal law.
Also EU membership was and is violation of constitution, new constitution states that "Suomessa valtiovalta kuuluu kansalle, jota edustaa eduskunta", "in Finland power of state belongs to people, which is represented by parliament" , and old states that "Ylin päätösvalta kuuluu eduskunnalle" "Highest decisionmaking power belongs to parliament"
Power of EU commissariat is not compatible whit Finlands constitution. But those traitors in political establishment don't care about it. I hope that sometime they will all be shot or hanged to nearest lamppost. We have here saying "Saunan takana on aina tilaa vielä yhdelle" "There is always room for another one at behind of sauna", that saying comes from Finlands Civil war when victorious whites executed reds in sand pits and even in against wall of some rural sauna-buildings.