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Thread ID: 14254 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2004-06-18
2004-06-18 19:01 | User Profile
The neo-con Bushists have brought this type of thing on with their demented Armageddon vision of perpetual war for NWO and/or Jesus' Return. We can all jump on the bandwagon of 'hate-the-Ayrabs' more than ever since this latest episode will surely ratchet up the sheeple's Fox induced hatred of ANYONE who's not American or Israeli.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5196406/[/url]
I heard today that Russian President Putin just said something about 'Saddam was planning attacks against the US right after 9/11'.....why did Russia oppose the Iraq War then?
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5238640/[/url]
Anyway, I urge you all to watch the docu-film "The Fog Of War" featuring former US Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.......after watching this film, you'll say about the current Middle East wars, 'this has all been said and done before!' Cheney and Bush are repeating the same exact rhetoric that Lyndon Johnson used in the early part of Vietnam. 'Fighting tyranny' and 'defending freedom' is old hat. Americans are in deep, deep sh*t folks. If Bush and Cheney follow previous American war campaigns, the death and destruction we see now will become 1000x worse in a short time.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/[/url]
2004-06-18 21:09 | User Profile
I wonder if this will be the excuse to go into Saudi Arabia in order to protect the country from "terrorists",,,,,,,
Only problem is that with the Americans in Saudi Arabia there will be more terrorists in place.
2004-06-18 21:22 | User Profile
Good post...
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]
I heard today that Russian President Putin just said something about 'Saddam was planning attacks against the US right after 9/11'.....why did Russia oppose the Iraq War then?[/QUOTE]
One thing the liberals won't admit is that Clinton drove a wedge between us and the Russians over Yugoslavia. Russian hard-liners thought that NATO expansion was a western ploy to undermine Russia's influence. Clinton's reckless use of NATO in Kosovo reinforced this in the Kremlin and Duma.
I don't mean to defend Bush here but I do think he's only the tip of the iceberg as regards isolating our allies and turning Europeans against us. I was in Europe in 1999 to 2001 and I saw large anti-US demonstrations in Germany and France. Greeks were throwing rocks at US troops and spitting at them as they landed and it was conveniently ignored by the US press who loved their darling Clinton.
Don't get me wrong, Bush screwed up with Germany , France and others but the Russian tension goes further back; If we could use Nato to intervene in Kosovo, we might also use it to demonize and attack Russia over Chechnya. Putin could not afford to support the US given the fact that we scared the Russian populace by attacking their traditional allies. Look what happened to Tony Blair for supporting us, and you will understand why Putin didn't. It not only would have pissed off voters, but Iraq was in debt to Russia and it would have pissed off some powerful Putin supporters.
[url]http://agitprop.org.au/stopnato/20000625zunwareluk.htm[/url]
2004-06-19 03:28 | User Profile
It is my understanding that Paul Johnson was an engineer in Saudi Arabia. This country is not occupied nor is it at war. They invite people to work in their country and welcome their skills.
He was murdered in ritualistic and barbaric fashion - like some unthinking animal by muslim cowards. I have little time for religious maniacs and no time for muslims. But I can state that this murder was evil.
When you have the opportunity to face those muslims - you may then comment with authenticity.
For they are determined and violent. But they can be dealt with. For they fear our anger and they run from our aggression. But they feed off Christian weakness.
Clarity of thought is required - understand your enemy.
Do not misplace the blame and worship the killers. That would be an error.
Mentzer
2004-06-19 05:06 | User Profile
Llen, What's behind Putin's comments? Are the Russians testing the US in any way? Maybe they want the US to keep on what they're doing in Iraq and the Middle East, like getting deeper into the weeds with even more conviction. Kinda like Putin's comrades back in the day, in Afghanistan. What happened to the Soviet Union after their tumble in the poppy fields of Asia?
Mentzer, Johnson's death is a sad, terrible tradegy, no doubt. However, from what I learned in the press, Johnson had been in Saudi Arabia several times equaling years. But, he's just abducted now and just executed. Why? What has happened, Mentzer, is that the whole Middle East region is unravelling and becoming more destabilized right before our eyes, just like numerous folks all 'round the internet and real world life predicted. Now I'm not sayin' 'I told you so' but, there it is. While working in countries in the Mid East was probably never all that risk free, I sure can't remember two beheadings happening to Americans within a month, do you? God created all the nations of the earth, to stay where they were first placed by the Almighty. That's how God works. When man tries on the God suit, his actions fail the world, deforming it, turning evil into good. I think that's why Mr Johnson died the way he did. C'est dommage.
2004-06-19 05:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I heard today that Russian President Putin just said something about 'Saddam was planning attacks against the US right after 9/11'.....why did Russia oppose the Iraq War then?[/QUOTE]
No doubt that is more more reliable intelligence supplied to Russia by Chalabi.
Bush was using WMDs as the legal justification for attacking Iraq. Unreliable intelligence about Saddam planning terrorist attacks is not relevant to WMDs, thus Russia would not support a resolution for war based on the claim that Saddam is hiding WMDs.
2004-06-19 07:47 | User Profile
Has anyone noticed that Johnson was married to a Thai woman (she was interviewed)?
This is what you get for "going native" ...
Petr
2004-06-19 08:11 | User Profile
Xmetal,
Check this out. I wondered about Putin's comments as well.
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Iraq war was unjustified, Putin says Russian President Vladimir Putin says the US-led war in Iraq was unjustified because it was not authorised by the United Nations Security Council.
"The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law," Mr Putin said in an annual live televised question-and-answer session.
"Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognised as fair or justified.
"I am being as restrained as I can be when I choose these words," he said.
The comments came only hours before Mr Putin was due to meet in Moscow with US envoy James Baker, who is trying to convince the international community to write off Iraq's crushing $US120 billion debt.
Mr Putin, who opposed the war in Iraq, described the United States as a partner, but said the Iraqi campaign should not be lumped in with the broader international war on terrorism.
"We are do not want the United States to lose their war on terrorism - we are US partners in the fight against terrorism," Mr Putin said.
"But as for Iraq, this is a separate matter. There were no international terrorists under Hussein. This is a separate problem," he said.
He also suggested that the United States may be suffering from over-confidence on the international sphere, warning that "empires" had fallen before from feeling too strong and using their military might indiscriminately.
"I must say that in all times, great countries, empires, always suffered a series of problems that complicated their situation - this was a feeling of invulnerability, a feeling of grandeur, and a feeling that it never sins," Mr Putin said.
"This always hurt countries that tried to call themselves empires. I very much hope that this does not happen to our American partners."
Moscow has been furious with Washington in recent days for barring countries that opposed the Iraqi war in participating in the lucrative first phase of reconstruction projects in the war-torn country.
Russia warned the United States on Tuesday that it was "unacceptable" to make such a decision.
-- AFP
[url=http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200312/s1013128.htm]http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200312/s1013128.htm[/url]
Published on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 in the Washington Post
Putin Warns U.S. Against Expanding War to Iraq
MOSCOW -- President Vladimir Putin cautioned the United States against attacking Iraq once the war in Afghanistan draws to close, saying in an interview published today that he expects to be consulted before the U.S. anti-terrorism campaign is expanded to other nations. Although Bush administration officials have openly discussed the possibility that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein may be the next target in the war on terrorism, Putin said he has seen no evidence that Iraq finances terrorists. He also said in the interview, with London's Financial Times newspaper, he does not believe that previous U.S. strikes have destroyed any sites where Iraq might be producing nuclear or biological weapons.
Putin's remarks underscored the new diplomatic risks the Bush administration faces as it contemplates the next phase of its campaign against terrorism. Germany and Egypt also have warned that a U.S. strike against Iraq would be viewed far less favorably than the action in Afghanistan.
Although the Bush administration appears divided on how to proceed, its rhetoric against Iraq is escalating. In late November, President Bush warned that if Iraq does not allow U.N. inspectors to survey possible sites of weapons production, Hussein will "find out" the consequences.
Putin took note of the international concern over Iraq, saying the Kremlin had failed to persuade Hussein to allow the inspectors back in after a three-year absence. But he reiterated Russia's position that economic sanctions should be lifted if Iraq cooperates with inspections.
Putin said he is reconciled to the Bush administration's decision to withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, although he asserted he could not understand it. Without a treaty to bind the major nuclear powers, he said, Russians fear the arms race might extend to space as the United States seeks the broadest possible missile defense.
He voiced hope for a new treaty to codify current pledges by Russia and the United States to cut their strategic nuclear stockpiles. Russia has proposed a new level of between 1,500 and 2,200 warheads, while the United States has suggested a level of 1,700 to 2,200 warheads. Even if the Bush administration rejects a new treaty, Putin said, Russia will not necessarily lose faith in the relationship.
"It will depend on the way we develop our relations across the board," he said. "If relations between Russia and the West, Russia and NATO, and Russia and the U.S. continue to develop in the spirit of partnership and even of alliance, then no harm will be done."
Calling Bush "a reliable partner" who has not misled him, he said, "I would very much like to have our current level of mutual confidence with the U.S. maintained."
On other issues, Putin said the state has to create the "right conditions" for media organizations, because they cannot survive without outside investment. He was apparently referring to TV-6, Russia's last major independent television station, which is now on the verge of closing. A Moscow court recently ordered the station shut down because of its debts. The station's directors say the action is politically motivated.
é 2001 The Washington Post Company
[url=http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1218-03.htm]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1218-03.htm[/url]
And this as well coming from "liberals and Democrats", the Washington Post support for the war notwithstanding.
In an indirect way the Bush Administration is partly responsible for this poor man's fate. Some of the reports I've seen have stated that a lot of Arabs didn't wish to inform because they were mad about the abuses. Whether one agrees with them doesn't matter for life is cheap in that part of the world. It appears that it wasn't "a few bad apples" that did that crap in Abu Ghraib but more like a rotten bushel. I am of the opinion that this treatment was ordered by Stephen Cambrone, Undersecretary for Intelligence.
2004-06-19 11:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]It is my understanding that Paul Johnson was an engineer in Saudi Arabia. This country is not occupied nor is it at war. They invite people to work in their country and welcome their skills.
He was murdered in ritualistic and barbaric fashion - like some unthinking animal by muslim cowards. I have little time for religious maniacs and no time for muslims. But I can state that this murder was evil.
When you have the opportunity to face those muslims - you may then comment with authenticity.
For they are determined and violent. But they can be dealt with. For they fear our anger and they run from our aggression. But they feed off Christian weakness.
Clarity of thought is required - understand your enemy.
Do not misplace the blame and worship the killers. That would be an error.
Mentzer[/QUOTE] I almost completely agree with that.
2004-06-19 13:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Has anyone noticed that Johnson was married to a Thai woman (she was interviewed)?
Petr[/QUOTE] I dont think this made one iota of difference to the towelheads before they screeched their Islamic vile and chopped his neck off.
2004-06-19 18:41 | User Profile
That's how far they've taken it.
That lopped-off head feeling, down there, reappears as Clinton forgiveness. HEY! He's just a Big Bubba, after all, with a Mr. Johnson of his own.
They had Paul Johnson's son, Paul, pleading for his father's life before Friday, saying he doesn't deserve Muslim revenge.
Father's day castration?! "Not for the life of me!". They are implanting dream-thoughts.
The reaction-formation mechanism (Freud: Oedipal complex) plays off the grotesque beheading of Mr. Johnson -- "No! No!" -- in order to Boost Bush (as if even the thought of opposing Him would be sinful, like what Islamic militants did to "Paul" (Mr. Johnson)). And, to paper over the contradiction between the 9/11 Commission failure to find links claimed by the White House of linkage between Iraq and Al Quaida to justify war.
The beheading of Nick Berg similarly appeared coincidentally with the Congressional inquiry into the Abu Ghraib abuses, also papering over -- reversing -- the impact of the Taguba report (also smothered by Stephen Cambone's inserted presence as a witness).
In both cases, justification for punishment of Americans for wrongdoing -- lying, killing, degrading to utter inhumanity -- is reversed to blame for heinous acts committed by them (radical Islamic militants, linked to the Iraq resitance and Yaser Arafat, no doubt). Just in time. Now don't that beat all.
I analyze this as a double two-beat formula of group manipulation through signs used in communication. It is the YHWH formula: "Y" and "W" standing for the prededent 'consonant' tones; "H", for the recurrent 'vowel' note, enriched the second time by the progression from Y to W. These would corrrespond to the two phases of extreme Propaganda trouble the War people found themselves in. The unmentionable act (Gen. 9.23,23) that goes directly to Isaac's revenge on Father Abraham's upraised sword against him -- castrating the father, before he castrates you (the son) -- is what is brought back, by the "H" in both cases, progressing from "Jewish boy" as victim (Berg), to American Father; melded together under the heading "slaughered in barbaric, cowardly inhuman manner by radical Islamic militants."
The formula can slide back and forth, along the time-line, picking up Daniel Pearl as a precedent "H" note already resonating. Then, when the next confrontation of their non-being rolls around, as it surely must, for those whose mentality is now indelibly exposed for what it is for all to see for all time, in vivid pictures, the YHWH matrix can be slid forward one more notch toward abomination.
"...and in the room the people go, speaking of Michaelangelo.." ...
2004-06-19 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]What's behind Putin's comments? Are the Russians testing the US in any way? Maybe they want the US to keep on what they're doing in Iraq and the Middle East, like getting deeper into the weeds with even more conviction. Kinda like Putin's comrades back in the day, in Afghanistan. What happened to the Soviet Union after their tumble in the poppy fields of Asia? [/QUOTE]
I'm no expert on Russia, but I've been interested in Russian politics and history since about ten years ago when I was dating a Russian girl. All I can say is there is a lot more than meets the eye. The Russians have been dealing with terrorist attacks much more frequently than we have and are probably glad to see us doing some of the work for them. At the very least the quagmire of Iraq will make America more sympathetic to what Russia is dealing with in Chechnya. Nevertheless Putin is too smart to make his troops subordinate to our current administration.
As I said Russians overwhelmingly opposed Nato in serbia and still distrust the US. So it would have been political suicide for Putin to join us. Here's a link claiming polls showed up to 98% of Russians were in opposition(first paragraph): [url]http://www.csis.org/pacfor/cc/992Qus_rus.html[/url]
Also there have been reports that Russia has infiltrated the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. I believe the Bush administration has vaguely realized the fact that it's vision of a grassroots Afghani democracy was a blundering pipe-dream. It will allow the Russian influence to grow in the region and so Putin has to appear to support the US in order to take advantage of the opportunity. My unqualified guess is that for better or worse, Putin is saying this now to remain on Neocons good side while Russia makes a power grab in the mideast. Here are some interesting links on how Russia is expanding its control of Afghanistan: [url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blunder.html[/url] [url]http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1202-05.htm[/url]
2004-06-19 19:41 | User Profile
Don't want to get your hand burn? don't put it in the fire,,,,,,,,,,
Before we became "friend" to the Zionists of the state of Israel just about everybody was our friends, now things have changed and the so called friends we can count with one hand.
Can you really blame anyone? The Americans are not wanted anywhere and yet they impose their presence by force. The only ones that are really suffering are the families of those who being killed in the name of "freedom".
If I were Bush, Blair and other world leaders I would invite the so called "terrorist" to a conference and find out exactly what they want in exchange for peace. They want the Americans out of their land? no problem, they want the Zionists out of Palestine? no problem.
The only problems that cannot be resolved are those which you don't want resolved.
2004-06-23 22:31 | User Profile
When I saw the vedio the so said Al Qaida leader who caught American hostage Johnson made a post to hold the rifle, it gave me such an message. If he didn't want Authority to easy to identify him later, he was deliberately want you to see part of his body. He deliberately wore a short sleeve shirt so you could see his whole arm to the hand that he is a white. This is point to the doubt of Nick Berg question: How could an Arabic terrorist being white skin. Now it solves your doubt, "white real terrorist" is common.
My instant reflection: it's another case to cover up the flaw of Berg's case.
Really, today I saw the second beheading case that the victim was in orange prisoner's suit. It was used to cover up the second question in Berg's case: Berg in orange prisoner's suit that he was filmed in US jail. It wants you to know, terrorist could make hostage to wear orange prisoner's suit.
Obviously, this is a case developed to cover up the flaw of Berg's case. It wants you believe, 1. Beheading is common way used by Arabic terrorist. 2. Terrorist could be white skin. (mainly to cover up the flaw of Berg's case. 3. Terrorist could made hostage to wear prisoner's suit. (mainly to cover up the flaw of Berg's case)
Do you think this is the operation of Al Qaida who acted so uniquely with same method, same way everywhere as they want? Remember they are under hunt, surveillance of intelligence, police and army of each country. Furthermore, under the hunt, surveillance of the strongest force of intelligence of the world: CIA, FBI, MOSSAD. Where are CIA, FBI, MOSSAD in Mid-east? Doing nothing but let Americans beheaded? Better think in this way. They are the power who have the ability to act in this way. To attack, kidnap, create a fake case, to film it, to spread it in media to flame indignation. Try to justify this war on behalf of Bush. And you know who has that motive. If they could start an unjust war and made you believe there was an imminant and present danger to you, If they could make you believe Saddam had advanced WMD: nuclear, bio-chemical weapon while in fact we only see the resistence can only using rifle and bomb. Think over who is the real terrorist. Think with your brain.
2004-06-27 00:06 | User Profile
The muslim terrorists that murdered Paul Johnson employ the tactic of using orange suits on their victims to make a bloody statement. It is a statement of intent.
It is real. Paul Johnson was not a Jew. He was an American - so be it. Some may glorify in it. And if some consider his manner of death acceptable - again so be it.
The middle-east, and those that populate it, is not the center of the earth. It is given that distinction by Jews and Christians. I cannot relate to its so-called importance. In other words Israel would not exist without the support of the American Jewish lobby and the Billions extorted from Germany over 50 years.
It is a false Eden. It means nothing to a European or American.
It also means that those muslims that currently are allowed to live within the European lands and America, and celebrate the heinous murder of a European or American, will be returned to their land of origin - without argument and without litigation.
Regards.
2004-06-27 00:21 | User Profile
Great post, Mentzer. Says it all. Even the "oil" we rely on doesn't have to come from the Middle East. Look at the huge deposits around the rest of the world ... including here in the US. But ... the factories and plants, the refineries are in place, and we know who wants the entire region ...
Oh, I'm just going over the top I'm sure. Pure science fiction, eh?
Any of the muslims in the US or Europe "celebrating" deserve a bit more than deportation, in my view.
2004-06-27 02:10 | User Profile
For some reason, possibly because of the jew media, our politicians seem to think that the moslems and the moslem world are going to stop killing the invaders of their world in cruel and unusal ways because it will result in bad press for the moslem world.
We raised the ante by using jew torture methods on the moslems. Now the moslems are going to show us a thing or two about torture and unusal punishment!
Meanwhile all the boo hoo hoo by the jew media, and the shabbos goy pundits really will not mean anything to the moslems. Our politicians should understand this about the bloody mess we are in in the moslem world.
2004-06-27 02:26 | User Profile
And perhaps our politicians should understand, clearly, that muslims are not welcome unto our lands. Correct?
They should remain in their own place of origin and not migrate. Yes?
They must remain firmly rooted to the land they profess to love and die for. And they are welcome to it. They have no 'right' or 'rights' to the land of my people.
Time to pack their carpets - if they are clever.
Regards.
2004-06-27 02:34 | User Profile
If it wasn't for the jews pushing to have our American immigration laws changed...none of these other pagans would be here in the USA. Dr. Kevin MacDonald, and other reputable scholars have documented the jew efforts to open our borders to non-Europeans/pagans.
At this minute the jews want more non-European pagans in the USA...:caiphas:
2004-06-27 02:52 | User Profile
I agree.
But in Europe it is sanctimonious Christian leaders that actively encourage and urge others to accept muslim migrants and their numerous relatives unto European lands.
Those Church leaders then wonder, in all their stupidity, why people no longer attend their services. They offer nothing but ignorant and effete support to those that hate us.
Churches are being converted into bars and nightclubs - due to Christian weakness and ignorance. While mosques are being errected that attract more insidious immigrants of no worth.
My regard
2004-06-27 13:15 | User Profile
In England the jews like Straw are still pushing for more "asian" immigration...
In the rest of Europe it's mostly the jew commie leftoid types, and, those greedy for cheap non-European labor who are pushing immigration.
Dr. MacDonald recently wrote it might be something the jews can't help...:caiphas: