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Thread ID: 14029 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2004-06-02
2004-06-02 21:55 | User Profile
Sure he is.
We watched Hannity do the slither with Zinni and Clancy, and big Tom's act was nothing short of weird. Probably he was contemplating with horror the thought of all those disappearing millions from NFL-addicted former fans who used to think "Red October" was fine art.
Still, it's interesting to see his claim that he was ready to cram his pasty mitt into Perle's Fagin-face. The thought of Clancy- or anyone- giving Perle his long-deserved asswhoopin' is inspiring, though not inspiring enough to make me sit through the ten millionth showing of Clancy's hyperpatriot propaganda.
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/25/1085461759852.html[/url]
Tom Clancy new book criticises Iraq war May 26, 2004
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A celebrated author with many admirers in the military has criticised the US-led invasion of Iraq, citing it as proof that "good men make mistakes".
Tom Clancy also said he almost "came to blows" with a leading war supporter, former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle.
The hawkish master of such million-selling thrillers as Patriot Games and The Hunt for Red October has added his own name to critics of the Iraq war, and not only through his own comments.
His latest book, Battle Ready, is a collaboration with another war critic, retired Marine General Anthony Zinni.
Battle Ready looks at Zinni's long military career, dating back to the Vietnam War, and includes harsh remarks by Zinni about the current conflict.
In an interview today with The Associated Press, Clancy and Zinni sat side by side in a hotel conference room in Manhattan, mutual admirers who said they agreed on most issues, despite "one or two" spirited "discussions" during the book's planning.
Advertisement Advertisement Zinni has openly attacked the war, but Clancy reluctantly acknowledged his own concerns. He declined repeatedly to comment on the war, before saying that it lacked a "casus belli," or suitable provocation.
"It troubles me greatly to say that, because I've met President (George W) Bush," Clancy said. "He's a good guy. ... I think he's well-grounded, both morally and philosophically. But good men make mistakes."
Battle Ready was published in the United States today with a first printing of 438,700. It is the fourth in Clancy's "Commanders" series, in which military leaders reflect on their careers and discuss military strategy.
"In the movies, military leaders are all drunken Nazis," said Clancy, who has worked on books about retired General Chuck Horner, who led US Central Command Air Forces during the Gulf War, and retired General Carl Stiner, whose missions included the capture of Panama leader Manuel Noriega.
"In fact, these are very bright people who regard the soldiers and Marines under them as their own kids. I thought the people needed to know about that. These are good guys, and smart guys."
Zinni served as commander in chief of the US Central Command from 1997 to 2000 and as a special Middle East envoy from 2001-2003.
But even as an envoy, Zinni spoke out against invading Iraq, regarding it as disastrous for Middle East peace and a distraction from the war against terrorism. Today, he said getting rid of Saddam Hussein was not worth the price.
"He's a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go," Zinni said.
"But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded - some of them terribly - $US200 billion ($286.8 billion) of our treasury and counting, and our reputation and our image in the world, particularly in that region, shattered."
In discussing the Iraq war, both Clancy and Zinni singled out the Department of Defence for criticism.
Clancy recalled a prewar encounter in Washington during which he "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser at the time and a longtime advocate of the invasion.
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2004-06-02 23:26 | User Profile
Tom Clancy, who is a member of Mensa, got into a heated on line debate with John "birdman" Bryant (who is also a mamber) concerning Jewish conspiracy, then Clancy backed out. Clancy has allowed Jews to use his name to sell books and he claimed to have lots of Jewish friends. He may have awakened, but I doubt it. If so, he would be a powerful ally. If he wrote a book about it.......can you imagine the impact?
2004-06-02 23:47 | User Profile
Clancy a budding Paleocon? Nah, no chance there. Loves money too much.
I saw him on O'Reilly one time about putting troops on the border and Tom just shrugged and said there wasn't anything we could do about it. It was that time I decided never to buy another damn thing he wrote, though, I admit I have the Zinni book reserved for me at the library.
2004-06-03 08:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Tom Clancy, who is a member of Mensa, got into a heated on line debate with John "birdman" Bryant (who is also a mamber) concerning Jewish conspiracy, then Clancy backed out. Clancy has allowed Jews to use his name to sell books and he claimed to have lots of Jewish friends. He may have awakened, but I doubt it. If so, he would be a powerful ally. If he wrote a book about it.......can you imagine the impact?[/QUOTE]
In his '98 or '99 novel, "Rainbox 6," (the last one I read, having read all the others, I'm somewhat chagrined to admit), Clancy went out of his way to specifically side with the government in the cases of the Branch Davidian Massacre and the Ruby Ridge murders. That doesn't sound like a man who's seen the light (although that was a few years ago). In any event, maybe this demented war is starting to push him in that direction....
2004-06-03 20:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Tom Clancy, who is a member of Mensa, got into a heated on line debate with John "bird[[COLOR=Red]brain[/COLOR]]" Bryant (who is also a mamber) concerning Jewish conspiracy, then Clancy backed out. Clancy has allowed Jews to use his name to sell books and he claimed to have lots of Jewish friends. He may have awakened, but I doubt it. If so, he would be a powerful ally. If he wrote a book about it.......can you imagine the impact?[/QUOTE]Birdbrain Bryant has had so much pigeon droppings on his head that his brain has deteriorated. He has tried to deny my logic of Jews ducking American wars. Like [COLOR=Yellow]Yellow Polichinello [/COLOR] he will proclaim his bravery and moral courage. Yet in the clutch he will wet his pants. This idiot should be confined to a padded room. Perhaps with Tom Clancy.
2004-06-03 22:10 | User Profile
Con-servatives=support what ever evil is control, which=$ Yes, I agree white working patriots need to stay away from Republican Con's.