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Thread ID: 13968 | Posts: 27 | Started: 2004-05-30
2004-05-30 11:34 | User Profile
Why not attack the "marxists"?
I know many of you like to go on and on about the "jew."
But to attack the "marxist," you in order to attack the "marxists" you will also have to attack you know who. If you turn people to attack the "marxist" they will get what they have coming. And would it be a bit more PC, and cause less trouble, just a thought. Put some stuff from Sobran, MacDonald and Buchanan and other to help build the case on the Neocons and "marxist".
On a related note they tried to use the Afros to destroy America, they could not do it, so the get the Mexican, they seen to be having better luck, sadly.
2004-05-30 21:36 | User Profile
Why not attack the "marxists"?
I know many of you like to go on and on about the "jew."
But to attack the "marxist," you in order to attack the "marxists" you will also have to attack you know who.
Well, I don't think that gets to the root of the problem. Not all Jews are Marxists, and not all Marxists are Jewish.
Don't forget that the problem is much deeper than Marxism. Banking/finance, media domination, foreign policy, etc. With the Jew, 'Left-wing' or 'Right-wing' means nothing, especially now that the neoconservatives have appeared in the political world.
2004-05-30 23:00 | User Profile
I still haven't figured out a way to make the Jewish question sound palatable to unitiated ears. Once you know what's going on, of course, all the criticism of Jews sounds perfectly reasonable. But to people who spend most their time focusing on keeping food on the table in the context of a society that has been submerged for 60 years in Judaic propaganda, all this talk about Jews sounds nutty. Very nutty.
And yet it must be done.
The strategy that I've come to favor for newbies is something fairly close to what Sam Francis does. Don't talk about Jews. Talk about Israelis. Talk about AIPAC. Talk about the Likud party. Talk about the neocons, but always find a way to mention that Wolfowitz, Perle, Krauthammer, Kristol come from a Jewish background (and in these discussions, you want to use the phrase "Jewish background," not the more concise "Jew.") Once you do this long enough, smart people -- the ones we actually care about -- will begin to catch on. At that point, you still don't want to start making broad generalizations about "Jews." The next step is to introduce the concept of Jewish Supremacism. I don't think Dr. Francis has taken this step yet. Eventually people will realize that the main problem we face as a people, as David Duke says, is Jewish Supremacist power and influence. And because Jewish supremacist power rests in large part on the financial contributions of rank and file Jews, people will eventually realize that the problem is the Jews themselves. All Jews.
2004-05-31 03:49 | User Profile
Valley Forge,
True. I will also add the Marxist, Neocon, Capitalist, Globlist, and such like are all basicly the same thing.
2004-05-31 16:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]I still haven't figured out a way to make the Jewish question sound palatable to unitiated ears. Once you know what's going on, of course, all the criticism of Jews sounds perfectly reasonable. But to people who spend most their time focusing on keeping food on the table in the context of a society that has been submerged for 60 years in Judaic propaganda, all this talk about Jews sounds nutty. Very nutty.
And yet it must be done.
The strategy that I've come to favor for newbies is something fairly close to what Sam Francis does. Don't talk about Jews. Talk about Israelis. Talk about AIPAC. Talk about the Likud party. Talk about the neocons, but always find a way to mention that Wolfowitz, Perle, Krauthammer, Kristol come from a Jewish background (and in these discussions, you want to use the phrase "Jewish background," not the more concise "Jew.") Once you do this long enough, smart people -- the ones we actually care about -- will begin to catch on. At that point, you still don't want to start making broad generalizations about "Jews." The next step is to introduce the concept of Jewish Supremacism. I don't think Dr. Francis has taken this step yet. Eventually people will realize that the main problem we face as a people, as David Duke says, is Jewish Supremacist power and influence. And because Jewish supremacist power rests in large part on the financial contributions of rank and file Jews, people will eventually realize that the problem is the Jews themselves. All Jews.[/QUOTE]I agree completely with the approach you mention. When communicating our concerns to a "green" audience, it is better to point the finger at Israel and its lobby than to call the Jew by name. I am convinced of this largely on account of personal experience. Although I've been somewhat racially aware since a very young age (on account of negative experiences with Negroids), I personally was brought into the "anti-Semitic" fold after two issues were brought to my attention on Internet discussion boards: (1) the USS Liberty massacre, and (2) the persecution of the Palestinian refugees. The following USS Liberty website in particular is priceless, as it is run by veterans and is filled with both emotional appeal and solid fact:
[url]http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/[/url]
2004-05-31 18:11 | User Profile
Interesting incriminating comments from some here. Something like, "Marxists really aren't as big a problem as those filthy jew bastards, but we can say that to fool others". What kind of picture does THAT paint? Again, it's the ol' "they're all closet anti-semites" stereotype. I'm getting real suspicious of some members around here...they always taint the image of who this forum is said to represent. They make it sound like all of these white conservatives are out there lying and misrepresenting the truth.
AY is right, as he usually is. There are no secret or sneaky tactics. You just have to speak in terms that keeps the disucssion on the facts. That depends on who the listener is...it's not about lying or tricking anyone. Identify the problem and it's cause in factual, nonpersonal terms that the listener can understand.
2004-06-01 00:21 | User Profile
Well AOR, now that you mention it...
Marxists don't have any real power in this society; Jews do.
So your comment is more appropriate than you intended.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Interesting incriminating comments from some here. Something like, "Marxists really aren't as big a problem as those filthy jew bastards[/QUOTE]
2004-06-01 06:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]Marxists don't have any real power in this society...[/QUOTE]
Not at all true, VF. It's a matter of labels, but there is no doubt that this once great Christian Republic was undercut and ruined by marxists, whether economic, political or cultural. Please note that I am not excusing the former and placing sole blame on the latter. Germs are germs and will always be with us. A good physician seeks to heal the whole patient and not just treat a symptom. As anyone with any health problem knows, whenever medicine is prescribed for a particular symptom, it will almost always eventually lead to another problem manifesting itself elsewhere. On and on, a vicious cycle turning...
As always, the best defense against illness is a healthy immune system.
2004-06-01 06:32 | User Profile
It's a matter of labels, but there is no doubt that this once great Christian Republic was undercut and ruined by marxists, whether economic, political or cultural.
[sarcasm] Wanna guess who flooded into this country starting about 1880? And wanna guess what they brought with them besides their big noses and black curly hair? Riiiight. The Judenvarmint -- with pockets full o' cash and diamonds and Marxism between their big ears. In fact, the first communist newspaper in America was printed in.....anyone?......anyone?........Yiddish.
But pay no attention to the little Jew behind the controls, folks. 'Cause race means very little. All that matters is "left-wing" vs. "right-wing." Right? Riiight? No? Oy... [end of sarcasm]
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2004-06-01 06:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco][sarcasm]But pay no attention to the little Jew behind the controls, folks. 'Cause race means very little. All that matters is "left-wing" vs. "right-wing." Right? Riiight? No? Oy... [end of sarcasm][/QUOTE]
You're a prisoner to your worship of the jew as a demigod, Franco.
I'd say "think about it", but I know you won't.
2004-06-01 08:07 | User Profile
Texas Dissident,
Yes, Marxists whether economic, political or cultural are the problem.
[QUOTE] Not at all true, VF. It's a matter of labels, but there is no doubt that this once great Christian Republic was undercut and ruined by marxists, whether economic, political or cultural. Please note that I am not excusing the former and placing sole blame on the latter. Germs are germs and will always be with us. A good physician seeks to heal the whole patient and not just treat a symptom. As anyone with any health problem knows, whenever medicine is prescribed for a particular symptom, it will almost always eventually lead to another problem manifesting itself elsewhere. On and on, a vicious cycle turning...
As always, the best defense against illness is a healthy immune system. 06-01-04 00:21 [/QUOTE]
As I said before Marxists All: [QUOTE]Valley Forge,
True. I will also add the Marxist, Neocon, Capitalist, Globlist, and such like are all basicly the same thing. [/QUOTE]
2004-06-01 10:39 | User Profile
Come on, VF, you can tell us. How much does the ADL compensate you for posting this stuff, FUD.
2004-06-01 12:00 | User Profile
It is still very interesting to me that some of these "hate jew" posts could not be more divisive if Sean Hannity himself wrote them to make certain people look bad. It's starting to become obvious. All the buzzwords and this irrational focus on a single group. Then , trying to tie all of that into Buchanan or Duke, just too obvious, or whatever opposition to the current government has. And, the occasional praise of Hitler and National Socialism, followed by something like "proud to be a paleocon and traditional conservative." Yep, just a bit too consistent.
There certainly is a problem with Israel's influence on US government...but the guys I'm talking about aren't after feasible solutions, they are just steadily spewing out how they hate this and get pissed at that. If they are of white euro ancestry, they are an embarrassment, like the uncle nobody wants to talk about. That attitude might work in prison or some extreme environment, but not when trying to effect peaceful political change.
2004-06-01 12:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]It is still very interesting to me that some of these "hate jew" posts could not be more divisive if Sean Hannity himself wrote them to make certain people look bad. It's starting to become obvious. All the buzzwords and this irrational focus on a single group. Then , trying to tie all of that into Buchanan or Duke, just too obvious, or whatever opposition to the current government has. And, the occasional praise of Hitler and National Socialism, followed by something like "proud to be a paleocon and traditional conservative." Yep, just a bit too consistent.
There certainly is a problem with Israel's influence on US government...but the guys I'm talking about aren't after feasible solutions, they are just steadily spewing out how they hate this and get pissed at that. If they are of white euro ancestry, they are an embarrassment, like the uncle nobody wants to talk about. That attitude might work in prison or some extreme environment, but not when trying to effect peaceful political change.[/QUOTE]
Please be specific. Also please, separately, give your own vision for a political program, minus what it isn't.
2004-06-01 21:30 | User Profile
Absolutely, I don't disagree. When I responded to Faust, I was thinking in terms of tradtional economic Marxists.
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Not at all true, VF. It's a matter of labels, but there is no doubt that this once great Christian Republic was undercut and ruined by marxists, whether economic, political or cultural. Please note that I am not excusing the former and placing sole blame on the latter. Germs are germs and will always be with us. A good physician seeks to heal the whole patient and not just treat a symptom. As anyone with any health problem knows, whenever medicine is prescribed for a particular symptom, it will almost always eventually lead to another problem manifesting itself elsewhere. On and on, a vicious cycle turning...
As always, the best defense against illness is a healthy immune system.[/QUOTE]
2004-06-01 21:36 | User Profile
AOR,
What forum do you think you're posting on? Many people here will take being called a Nazi as a compliment.
We're free thinkers on Original Dissent that don't buy into pc b*llshit.
It looks to me like Free Republic might be more your speed. No Nazis and "Jew haters" over there -- and what the hell is a "Jew hater" anyway?
My experience has been that a "Jew hater" is anyone Jews hate.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]It is still very interesting to me that some of these "hate jew" posts could not be more divisive if Sean Hannity himself wrote them to make certain people look bad. It's starting to become obvious. All the buzzwords and this irrational focus on a single group. Then , trying to tie all of that into Buchanan or Duke, just too obvious, or whatever opposition to the current government has. And, the occasional praise of Hitler and National Socialism, followed by something like "proud to be a paleocon and traditional conservative." Yep, just a bit too consistent.
There certainly is a problem with Israel's influence on US government...but the guys I'm talking about aren't after feasible solutions, they are just steadily spewing out how they hate this and get pissed at that. If they are of white euro ancestry, they are an embarrassment, like the uncle nobody wants to talk about. That attitude might work in prison or some extreme environment, but not when trying to effect peaceful political change.[/QUOTE]
2004-06-02 00:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]AOR,
What forum do you think you're posting on? Many people here will take being called a Nazi as a compliment.
We're free thinkers on Original Dissent that don't buy into pc b*llshit.
It looks to me like Free Republic might be more your speed. No Nazis and "Jew haters" over there -- and what the hell is a "Jew hater" anyway?
My experience has been that a "Jew hater" is anyone Jews hate.[/QUOTE] I don't believe it was "jew hater", but you never did get much right. I was clearly visualizing how any opposition would read you. The point was that your posts display incomplete thought and blind anger. I suppose a lot of it is age. But, the whole suggestion I tried to make was that if your going to be involved in adult politics, you have got to stop acting like an angry kid. If you actually read my posts, it's already there. Just trying to help, but I guess I knew everything at 13 too.
2004-06-02 01:08 | User Profile
Like I said, if you're concerned about having a respectable image in the eyes of the opposition, Free Republic is probably more your speed than Original Dissent.
And guess what: if you think the opposition will read you, a traditional old right conservative, any differently than they will read me, you're deluded.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]I don't believe it was "jew hater", but you never did get much right. I was clearly visualizing how any opposition would read you. The point was that your posts display incomplete thought and blind anger. I suppose a lot of it is age. But, the whole suggestion I tried to make was that if your going to be involved in adult politics, you have got to stop acting like an angry kid. If you actually read my posts, it's already there. Just trying to help, but I guess I knew everything at 13 too.[/QUOTE]
2004-06-02 01:55 | User Profile
Boy, Mad Russian's got his work cut out for him tonight.
2004-06-02 02:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Valley Forge,
True. I will also add the Marxist, Neocon, Capitalist, Globlist, and such like are all basicly the same thing.[/QUOTE]Revilo Oliver, when with the JBS, once said "when we talk about the communist conspiracy, everyone will know what we mean".
Obviously this isn't good enough for the Franco/Linder "name the jew" purists of course. In fact nothing short of talking of the day of the rope is really good enough.
Just fanaticism and stupidity and ? Or conscious AP work? No one but them knows for sure.
2004-06-02 04:40 | User Profile
Revilo Oliver, when with the JBS, once said "when we talk about the communist conspiracy, everyone will know what we mean".
Obviously this isn't good enough for the Franco/Linder "name the jew" purists of course.
Okie, tell ya what: go up to somebody at random in a shopping mall and ask them, "who invented and spread communism?" In fact, ask 10 people. Eight of them will say, "uhhhhhh......liberals?" Bwa-ha-ha-ha... [I once asked a bunch of people at a party that very same question, so I know from experience].
Isn't it time to Name The Jew, Okie?
2004-06-02 04:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Okie, tell ya what: go up to somebody at random in a shopping mall and ask them, "who invented and spread communism?" In fact, ask 10 people. Eight of them will say, "uhhhhhh......liberals?" Bwa-ha-ha-ha... [I once asked a bunch of people at a party that very same question, so I know from experience].
Isn't it time to Name The Jew, Okie? -------[/QUOTE]Actually most people at a lot of party's don't really know what communism is anyway, or care much. And you yourself say that there isn't any difference between left and right anyway. So what difference does it make to say jews created communism? It just makes you sound like a schitzo, paranoid about both jews and communists.
I think you're own fuehrer Adolf said you must tailored the message to the audience. Your message is obviously tailored to the bottom 10% of the population in IQ. And I've just shown it won't work. So its a transparently useless message as you've stated, designed only to destroy the credibility and reputation of the bearer. (as with most Linderism)
The only people it would really work with is Africans (nig****) in your parlance. Maybe you should start working with Farakkan.
2004-06-02 06:34 | User Profile
[B]The big question now is what happens as blow-back from the collapse of the Chalabi neocon wing? That will be a test not of economic theory, primarily, but of religions. What the Jew - aka Israel's supporters, whatever their ilk - has brought onto himself, first, then onto us, [I]by[/I] his Jewishness, is the result of what, in Christian terms, is sin. In Old Testament terms, the teaching that the wages of sin is death is understood bodily -- and largely ignored, since Genesis showed God wasn't really interested in killing Adam and Eve for doing it. You sin, you die. And that did help commitment keeping, no doubt. In New Testament terms, the teaching concerns the destiny of the soul, for eternity. It has added the idea that through Christ it is possible to escape those wages. That has always been the teaching.
Plus, from time immemorial, ancient-to-classical, it goes with the saying: As Above, So Below. If the heart and head do not sin, neither will the organs. If the lower dominates the higher position attained by 'struggle with instinct', a lower moral mentality results. (cf. "Bill Zebub TV"; "the One- eyed" one).
The direct, immediate, and involuntary result of assault on the higher by the lower is: hatred, revulsion, violence. No fooling. Carl Jung called it "loss of soul" reaction. Part of the dynamics of human nature. It's like expectorating, retching, blowing it out you're arse, etc. .... It's a condition that has even got its own name, "Judeophobia" (matched by "Christophobia", as found in Foxman, Chessler).
It is the traits of Jewishness, such as pre-emptive attacks based on lies, that has corrupted American mentality, communicating. They use the third personal pronoun "we" to refer to themselves as dual citizes, linked to Israel. Israel, through its leaders, has arrogated unto itself the right to target and kill state enemies - SHeik Yassin, Hamas leader, murdered in his wheelchair. It has roped America into complicity with that policy. In Iraq, Fallujah was ignited by news of Yassin's assassination March 23/4, the day Nick Berg was detained in Mosul. US forces, responding to the body mutilations, not considering they were revenge for Yassin, committed atrocity, genocide-type slaughter.
Now the use of Berg as AP PR has already begun. The incredible coincidence that Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" had done an interview with this unfortunate kid, but cut it out, is being hailed by neocon types as showing Moore's anti-semitism. One really has to see these things to believe them.
But, bottom line, as they say, the point is refusal to converse in Jewish terrms, where Above Truth has been replaced by Below Falsehood.
Sort of like: not being spiritually conned by neos.
[/B]
2004-06-02 11:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Valley Forge]
And guess what: if you think the opposition will read you, a traditional old right conservative, any differently than they will read me, you're deluded.[/QUOTE] Traditional old right conservatives no different than you? Well, you and yours certainly work very hard to create that impression, don't you. That's what I've said all along is your main mission, for whatever reason. Finally got you to make one clear statement of fact.
2004-06-02 17:18 | User Profile
AOR, I hope I've never given the impression that I sincerely believe my views are consistent with or equivalent to traditional old right conservatism.
Because paleoconservatism has been such a complete failure for sixty years, I'm an ex-paleocon, not a palecon.
Racial Nationalist is how I would self-identify today.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Traditional old right conservatives no different than you? Well, you and yours certainly work very hard to create that impression, don't you. That's what I've said all along is your main mission, for whatever reason. Finally got you to make one clear statement of fact.[/QUOTE]
2004-06-02 17:22 | User Profile
Oliver may be right about that, but today we need to use different code words than "communist" depending on the context.
Likudnik, Israeli, Zionist, AIPAC member, Jewish critics and filmmakers, neocons, Hollywood producers, international bankers, etc.
Repeat those often enough, and people will get the right idea -- that America has a serious Jew problem.
You do agree that America has a Jew problem, right?
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Revilo Oliver, when with the JBS, once said "when we talk about the communist conspiracy, everyone will know what we mean".
Obviously this isn't good enough for the Franco/Linder "name the jew" purists of course. In fact nothing short of talking of the day of the rope is really good enough.
Just fanaticism and stupidity and ? Or conscious AP work? No one but them knows for sure.[/QUOTE]
2004-06-24 22:42 | User Profile
Valley Forge,
I think what is Revilo Oliver said is still true today, but one needs to add the Marxist, Neocon, Capitalist, Globlist, and such like are all basicly the same thing. Their plans for the world are the same but for small details. Globlist might be the best term, but I like marxist too.
[QUOTE]Revilo Oliver, when with the JBS, once said "when we talk about the communist conspiracy, everyone will know what we mean". [/QUOTE]