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Thread ID: 13942 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2004-05-28
2004-05-28 23:27 | User Profile
Anyone have any links?
2004-05-28 23:36 | User Profile
What do you even mean? What 'white racialist dogmas' do you reject?
As far as I can tell, paleocons who don't like 'white racialism' are simply paleocons who like to pretend that post-50's racial-demographics trends don't exist.
2004-05-28 23:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Anyone have any links?[/QUOTE]
Youre a pussy.
2004-05-29 00:01 | User Profile
I think you are the only "paleocon" on OD with such intolerance for "white racialism". Walter must be talking about people like you being hurt because of their idealism in the upcoming civil unrest.
2004-05-29 01:30 | User Profile
I see all of the intellectual giants are racing into line for this one. I admire TD and have no gripe with him...I think he knows that. If he didn't before, he does now. I do disagree with members misrepresenting "paleoconservatism" as "white racialism" or white supremacy, because it isn't. And, white racialism or nationalism isn't white supremacy. Get your damn terms right. The ADL uses those same definitions, mixing it all together!! Which brings me to question who some of you people truly represent. You put on your nazi mask and start pissing on the furniture, making nazis look bad.
It's unfortunate that those who say they believe in NA/CI/nazi, or whatever group think crowd choses to monopolize OD forums under some idea that they are converting someone or having some sort of power over someone, are really just misguided little minds who have little real life experience about anything.
Most of those guys aren't even supporting themselves...students, and are preaching to 25-45 year olds about the trials of life and cultural identity. What some of you "white racialist" folks don't like to admit...it's the messengers(ie. who Black has been known to call "cultists")that have far more manure stink on them than any actual philosophy.
It's not cultural identity being rejected, but the know-nothing mental midgets who think they have a clue what they are talking about. I heard an NA guy talking in Richmond, and he actually made some sense(thought I don't agree with much of NA). I've known people who knew real nazis and liked them, admired them and the way they conducted themselves in war. I;ve posted elsewhere that the vets I know say they'd rather have shot the Italians and Philipinos than the Germans and Japs.
If I were NA and saw what some of you were posting on the net, I'd hunt you down and sue the crap out of you for the negative reputation you inflict on the group. Stop drinking all that spiked kool-aid and go outside once in a while. There're birds and everything out there.
This thread is no rejection of the claimed intent of OD, but the little knotheads intentionally misreprenting their little minority views as belonging to paleocons at large. It's not just paleocons, that sort hides under the guise of any accepted group they can find, since few buy into that stupid crap they try to sell as "white racialism". Those posts are almost always stupid and immature confrontational garbage. It's either ADL trolls or misguided, unmotivated morons who can't get enough in their own group and have to hijack someone else's membership.
2004-05-29 02:20 | User Profile
You say that those who 'choose to monopolize' OD forums are 'NA/CI/nazi' and are 'students,' apparently under the age of 25, who don't support themselves.
I see little evidence that OD is monopolized by 'NA/CI/nazi' types. In fact, I don't know that I have seen a single CI post here.
As to whether many posters are under-25 student who don't support themselve... how exactly would one even get this kind of evidence? What do you purport to be--an FBI agent? You just know it when you see it? Sure, right, very credible. (For what it's worth--very little--my impression has always been that the Americans who defend Nazi ideology on this board tend to be massive history buffs of the sort that would be unlikely to be under-25 students.)
You seem to badly confuse 'white racialism' with neo-Nazism and Christian Identity. Maybe you need to re-think your entire right-wing vocabularly.
Probably it would also help if you did a better job of simply ignoring posts that involves a lot of over-the-top, emotive defense of the Nazis.
Assuming you buy the basics of 'it is a good thing for the white race to keep on existing in the future,' and 'the white race is currently facing massive threats to its future existence,' you are probably a white racialist. Try to look for some middle ground between what you call 'paleoconservatism' and what you call 'white racialism.' What you will find there will be one major variety of actual white racialism.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]...those who say they believe in NA/CI/nazi, or whatever group think crowd choses to monopolize OD forums.... Most of those guys aren't even supporting themselves...students, and are preaching to 25-45 year olds about the trials of life and cultural identity. What some of you "white racialist" folks don't like to admit...[/QUOTE]
2004-05-29 02:38 | User Profile
I nominate AOR for the most entertaining OD member, now that we no longer have rban amongs us :thumbsup:
Give up and embrace the inner nazi :hitler:
2004-05-29 03:28 | User Profile
Oh, yes, yes, yes, I just hate those gosh darn racial dogmatists! Haters, they're. Hate, itz. "Bigotry," says the town rabbi, Ira Bergwitzfeldnikbloomrosengold. Let's all just vote in November an' everthang gonna be just swell, yesiree....yep, yep, yep, them connedswervatives in Washington will fix our social problems with jus' a few nifty laws crafted and drafted by people named Goldsilverdiamondrosenwitzstein or Feldgoldsilverbergbloombaumnik. Those rumors that all those politicians care about is getting re-elected are just that: waaaaaaay-silly rumors....yuuup, I'm glad those connedswervatives in Washington are looking after our interests....affer all, what is 'race,' anyhoo, 'cept skin color.....right?.....right?......no?....
2004-05-29 04:30 | User Profile
I rarely make comments like this to fellow OD members, but in this case, an exception is necessary.
You're deluded.
Stuck in the past.
People like you will be overrun by the mud flow.
But keep reading Russel Kirk.
Yeah, that's a thinker that will get our side somewhere.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]I see all of the intellectual giants are racing into line for this one. I admire TD and have no gripe with him...I think he knows that. If he didn't before, he does now. I do disagree with members misrepresenting "paleoconservatism" as "white racialism" or white supremacy, because it isn't. And, white racialism or nationalism isn't white supremacy. Get your damn terms right. The ADL uses those same definitions, mixing it all together!! Which brings me to question who some of you people truly represent. You put on your nazi mask and start pissing on the furniture, making nazis look bad.
It's unfortunate that those who say they believe in NA/CI/nazi, or whatever group think crowd choses to monopolize OD forums under some idea that they are converting someone or having some sort of power over someone, are really just misguided little minds who have little real life experience about anything.
Most of those guys aren't even supporting themselves...students, and are preaching to 25-45 year olds about the trials of life and cultural identity. What some of you "white racialist" folks don't like to admit...it's the messengers(ie. who Black has been known to call "cultists")that have far more manure stink on them than any actual philosophy.
It's not cultural identity being rejected, but the know-nothing mental midgets who think they have a clue what they are talking about. I heard an NA guy talking in Richmond, and he actually made some sense(thought I don't agree with much of NA). I've known people who knew real nazis and liked them, admired them and the way they conducted themselves in war. I;ve posted elsewhere that the vets I know say they'd rather have shot the Italians and Philipinos than the Germans and Japs.
If I were NA and saw what some of you were posting on the net, I'd hunt you down and sue the crap out of you for the negative reputation you inflict on the group. Stop drinking all that spiked kool-aid and go outside once in a while. There're birds and everything out there.
This thread is no rejection of the claimed intent of OD, but the little knotheads intentionally misreprenting their little minority views as belonging to paleocons at large. It's not just paleocons, that sort hides under the guise of any accepted group they can find, since few buy into that stupid crap they try to sell as "white racialism". Those posts are almost always stupid and immature confrontational garbage. It's either ADL trolls or misguided, unmotivated morons who can't get enough in their own group and have to hijack someone else's membership.[/QUOTE]
2004-05-29 04:46 | User Profile
"No pushing, now. The reading comprehension class is down the hall, first door on the left. No, your other left."
"The reality class on how a movement can't grow if most of the target audience is alienated by negativism, immaturity, or implied thuggery, second door on the right. No, your other right."
2004-05-29 04:55 | User Profile
Sounds like AOR puts a political "philosophy" -- in this case, Kahnservative -- above his Race. Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I know the type: "I don't care about the color of someone's skin, all I care about is their values! I'd rather my son or daughter marry a Conservative African-American, Hispanic-American, or Asian-American, than a damn liberal White-American." Why, he's just a fweeper who doesn't particularly care for Dubya (but will vote for him anyway).
2004-05-29 05:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]Sounds like AOR puts a political "philosophy" -- in this case, Kahnservative -- above his Race. Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I know the type: "I don't care about the color of someone's skin, all I care about is their values! I'd rather my son or daughter marry a Conservative African-American, Hispanic-American, or Asian-American, than a damn liberal White-American." Why, he's just a fweeper who doesn't particularly care for Dubya (but will vote for him anyway).[/QUOTE] LOL. Note directions for reading comprehension classes, above. That's not what I said at all, but we are getting a nice list going here.
That's it for this thread, for me. Thank you for your participation. Please, at least try to get your terms straight when you post, paleocon is not nazi. WN is not nazi. White racialist is not nazi. Paleocon is not white supremist and neither is WN or white racialist. National Socialism is not palecon, but it is nazi. Neonazi is different than nazis of WWII. This info is from actual WWII combat vets witness to German courtesy on the battle field.
One note of youth. I know some guys leave home at 16 or younger and are hardcore survivors. I do not refer to these guys when addressing know-nothing gang.
If I am the one wrong on the defintions, set it straight for me.
2004-05-29 05:11 | User Profile
I am not a "paleocon", or a "liberal," or a "democrat", or a "republican" or whatever meaningless label you care to name. I'm a White man, first and foremost. My Race and Culture come before all else. If you are also a White man, then I see you as my racial brother, and I wish you well.
2004-05-29 05:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]I am not a "paleocon", or a "liberal," or a "democrat", or a "republican" or whatever meaningless label you care to name. I'm a White man, first and foremost. My Race and Culture come before all else. If you are also a White man, then I see you as my racial brother, and I wish you well.[/QUOTE] Same here on the wishing you and similar mindsets well and having a cultural bond nobody can change. I say work together where agreed and accept the differences. But, ther e are some here who refuse to deal with anyone who isn't lockstep into their mindset...and I think that's bad for whites, especially us hated white males.
I see my race as a given, not something I have to constantly emphasize. More than happy to be blue-eyed Scots-Irish with a whole lot of CSA in the family cemetaries. But, I had a hard time with what I still think are some ADL/neocon trolls trying to roll all white folks into a single group and slap a big negative and false stigma on them all.
2004-05-29 05:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]But, I had a hard time with what I still think are some ADL/neocon trolls trying to roll all white folks into a single group and slap a big negative and false stigma on them all.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think so too, but I have a feeling you're seeing it in places it ain't and missing it where it is. Please don't take this personally but for someone who admits to "just getting" the role of EC in American politics, you seem to have your mind made up about the unimportance of race, a subject you admit to avoiding.
2004-05-29 06:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Anyone have any links?[/QUOTE]
I used to think like you.
But I realized that we lost to the liberals when we conservatives caved in on the race issue. We were brow beaten into agreeing with the popular lie that there are no racial differences between human groups sufficient make their sharing a polity problematic, much less catastrophic.
In so doing we lost the moral high ground, and we've been getting picked off ever since.
Conservatism is all about "conserving" something, after all, but we forgot the simple truth that we were "conserving" the traditions of a particular people in a particular place: Christian white men who spoke English united by a tradition Common Law and living on the North American continent.
In caving in on the racial equality issue we "conservatives" threw our entire heritage on the trash heap without realizing it.
That happened around 1973 with the fall of Nixon, I'd say. Since then it's just been a liberal mopping up operation, as our cultural institutions, severed from their sustaining roots in our European, Christian and English-speaking American tradition, fell one after the other until there is now literally nothing left but an empty husk of ingrained procedures.
If we want to win, we "conservatives" have to get honest about what we're conserving, and lose all the nice universalist talk of our enemies.
Walter
2004-05-29 09:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]That's it for this thread, for me. Thank you for your participation. Please, at least try to get your terms straight when you post, paleocon is not nazi. WN is not nazi. White racialist is not nazi. Paleocon is not white supremist and neither is WN or white racialist. National Socialism is not palecon, but it is nazi. Neonazi is different than nazis of WWII. This info is from actual WWII combat vets witness to German courtesy on the battle field.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for speaking your mind, AOR. I wouldn't worry too much about it. They being quite oblivious to reality, the more rope one gives to these handful of keyboard warriors the quicker they hang themselves with it and the ideology they purport to represent. In short, they are their own worst enemy, evidenced by the fact that they are seemingly clueless of this dynamic.
2004-05-29 09:59 | User Profile
Have fun in your Negroid-Mestizo-Asiatic-[FONT=Arial Narrow]white [/FONT] world.
2004-05-29 12:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ruffin]Yeah, I think so too, but I have a feeling you're seeing it in places it ain't and missing it where it is. Please don't take this personally but for someone who admits to "just getting" the role of EC in American politics, you seem to have your mind made up about the unimportance of race, a subject you admit to avoiding.[/QUOTE] Not at all. The "not getting" was how pervasive it was, that it was affecting people's job and salaries via widespread discrimination. I think many have not realized how systemic the problem is. It goes far belong political influence. Please read carefully. I never said I didn't realize EC had so much political influence. I wasn't aware that the movement was so firmly entrenched in my own workplace...it's like a secret society.
2004-05-29 12:45 | User Profile
Thanks, TD. I'm glad you seem to understand where I'm coming from on this, and how out of context it has all become. These posts are great, because many clearly have ignored my posts, or just want to complain, justified or not. It just concerns me how it may well turn off some kid coming to find out about about defending himself against the system, and getting all misled about what means what.
You're right I won't sweat it, but if you don't mind, I'll keep reminding these guys from time to time that they may well be the problem they are trying to solve.
2004-05-29 13:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Not at all. The "not getting" was how pervasive it was, that it was affecting people's job and salaries via widespread discrimination. I think many have not realized how systemic the problem is. It goes far belong political influence. Please read carefully. I never said I didn't realize EC had so much political influence. I wasn't aware that the movement was so firmly entrenched in my own workplace...it's like a secret society.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I misunderstood that part. Your employer asks about his employees' politics? Hmm, for all of their nonsense, I didn't think they were that nosy, or that willing to violate the law. At least when Jews do it questions aren't as necessary, as they can usually tell a Gentile from one of their own.
2004-05-29 21:19 | User Profile
I do disagree with members misrepresenting "paleoconservatism" as "white racialism" or white supremacy, because it isn't.
Most paleocons devote at least some time to racial issues because they know that without Whites, there is no West. But granted, they don't mention race all of the time.
Tell me, AOR: can there be a West [Western culture] without Whites? If so, how? If that West is flooded with non-Whites, will the West still be "the West?" Given the obvious answers to those questions, should race not become an immediate focus for any "rightist" person? [After all, a person can change his religion or adopt a religion at any time. But he cannot change his race. Ditto communism: a communist can quit communism whenever he wants, but his race stays the same all through his life. Race is the non-variable re: each human].
2004-05-29 21:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]I see all of the intellectual giants are racing into line for this one. I admire TD and have no gripe with him...I think he knows that. If he didn't before, he does now. I do disagree with members misrepresenting "paleoconservatism" as "white racialism" or white supremacy, because it isn't. And, white racialism or nationalism isn't white supremacy. Get your damn terms right. The ADL uses those same definitions, mixing it all together!! Which brings me to question who some of you people truly represent. You put on your nazi mask and start pissing on the furniture, making nazis look bad........
Well from a conservative point of view you are sort of right. Spengler argued that racialism was the lowest form of conservatism.
At the same time, you have to be real. PC reins in schools, workplaces, churches, and the media everywhere, our constitutional and even basic civil liberties are rapidly eroding under the pressure of big government and identity politics, our country is steadily deteriorating economically, and the supposed mainstream "conservative" oposition spends all its time teling us everything is wonderful.
These are tough times, and in tough times its hard to be too fastidious about conceptual/theoritical/political fine points. It may seem a little crude, but a lot of people who seriously critique the political system and our country look at the racial politics in play in our country today, blame it, and go the other direction.
It offends conservatives who retain an "effete snobbery" streak, most of em who run off, back to horrid PC boards like Free Republic. Like you sound you're planning to do. They by doing so leave this board with the remnants. They may seem like an unruly lot, but when we can't dismiss people's legitimate complaints, we feel a duty to extend them some slack.
2004-05-29 22:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=All Old Right]I see all of the intellectual giants are racing into line for this one. I admire TD and have no gripe with him...I think he knows that. If he didn't before, he does now. I do disagree with members misrepresenting "paleoconservatism" as "white racialism" or white supremacy, because it isn't. And, white racialism or nationalism isn't white supremacy. Get your damn terms right. The ADL uses those same definitions, mixing it all together!! Which brings me to question who some of you people truly represent. You put on your nazi mask and start pissing on the furniture, making nazis look bad........
Well from a conservative point of view you are sort of right. Spengler argued that racialism was the lowest form of conservatism.
At the same time, you have to be real. PC reins in schools, workplaces, churches, and the media everywhere, our constitutional and even basic civil liberties are rapidly eroding under the pressure of big government and identity politics, our country is steadily deteriorating economically, and the supposed mainstream "conservative" oposition spends all its time teling us everything is wonderful.
These are tough times, and in tough times its hard to be too fastidious about conceptual/theoritical/political fine points. It may seem a little crude, but a lot of people who seriously critique the political system and our country look at the racial politics in play in our country today, blame it, and go the other direction.
It offends conservatives who retain an "effete snobbery" streak, most of em who run off, back to horrid PC boards like Free Republic. Like you sound you're planning to do. They by doing so leave this board with the remnants. They may seem like an unruly lot, but when we can't dismiss people's legitimate complaints, we feel a duty to extend them some slack.
2004-05-29 22:19 | User Profile
You start a thread with an obviously trollish title called "Looking for paleocon forum [SIZE=4]without all the "white racialist" dogma force feeding[/SIZE]", and expect to be taken seriously?
Of course, AOR, you're just misunderstood. By me and everyone else here, apparently.
No doubt your theory that we're all being force fed "White racialist dogma" is correct.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Thanks for straightening out the confusion. Where would we be without your intellect?
[QUOTE=All Old Right]Thanks, TD. I'm glad you seem to understand where I'm coming from on this, and how out of context it has all become. These posts are great, because many clearly have ignored my posts, or just want to complain, justified or not. It just concerns me how it may well turn off some kid coming to find out about about defending himself against the system, and getting all misled about what means what.
You're right I won't sweat it, but if you don't mind, I'll keep reminding these guys from time to time that they may well be the problem they are trying to solve.[/QUOTE]
2004-05-29 22:23 | User Profile
AOR, your posts lack specificity.
This is a good example.
[QUOTE=All Old Right]ther e are some here who refuse to deal with anyone who isn't lockstep into their mindset...[/QUOTE]
Such as?