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Thread ID: 13926 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2004-05-27
2004-05-27 21:18 | User Profile
More photos from America's greatest Disgrace: Abu Ghraib.
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Since when did sexual perverts gain charge of American POW policy? This seems to be a hallmark of any ZOG: widespread sexual perversion.
2004-05-28 02:51 | User Profile
Oh, I find a lot more things more disgraceful than the Abu Ghraib ordeal. Many, many things - for starters, what goes on in our own prisons...
2004-05-28 20:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]While the miscegenatrix Jessica Lynch made for a good poster girl for Freepers and Feminists alike, an even better choice for a "GI Jane" movie would be the white trash bitch Lynddie England (seen in the photos tormenting naked Iraqi prisoners). How much would you like to bet that sadistic piece of trailer trash is considered a heroine by Jim Rabinssohn's cyber-kibbutzniks?[/QUOTE] Actually from what Ive heard, the more insane elements of the "Mainstream" right in the US have already started saying that Fredericks (or whatever that pervert's name is) deserves a medal. Michael Savage (the bearded odious Jew from the West Coast) has been making such noises since the scandal broke out.
This really is the nadir of western society. Cant imagine anything like this ever becoming a "fashion" except probably in the worst excesses of the late Roman empire.
2004-05-28 21:49 | User Profile
Peter,
If Our Troops Need an Apologist, I'll Be It
May 6, 2004
Bill Gertz -- who is perhaps the most connected journalist to the Pentagon and to the American foreign policy establishment in all of Washington -- writes for the Washington Times, has an interesting piece today. "Nearly all 8,080 prisoners being held by U.S. authorities in Iraq are considered security threats: insurgents linked to attacks on coalition forces, terrorists and former officials of Saddam Hussein's regime suspected of having useful intelligence...
"'The goal is to gain intelligence,' said a coalition spokesman in Iraq. 'Under the rules of the Geneva Convention, those in detention can be exploited for intelligence.' ... The approximately 7,800 security detainees make up about 95 percent of the prison population, and are the category of prisoners photographed nude and being abused at (Baghdad's Abu Ghraib) prison, where about 4,000 prisoners are being held, U.S. officials said. The U.S. Army has a small number of Iraqi criminals in custody, a couple hundred arrested for breaking local laws.
"Up to 7,000 criminals, who until March were kept with security detainees, already have been turned over to the new Iraqi government ministry. 'Security detainees are those who are considered an imperative threat to security,'" said the coalition spokesman on condition he not be identified by name. "These are people who have been identified through means such as intelligence and reconnaissance as being a threat [italics added] to coalition forces or Iraqis, or people living and working in Iraq legally."
You know, these pictures are bad and there's no question about it. But they're not in context because nobody knows all the details behind this. We don't really know who these people are. The impression is being left that they're just innocent Iraqis that can't help us at all and that our "torturers" in there just having fun and games with them. Now, I speculated yesterday, "These are people that tried to kill Americans." You know, the terrorist population from the world over has sent representatives to Iraq. Who knows who's in these prisons? That's part of finding out, and if you're going to detain them and if you've got them there under these kinds of suspicions, yeah, well, find out who they are. [Pause] Well, here goes. I'm just going to tell.
We have become -- and this is no mystery and this is not even a complaint; this is just an observation. We have become a society totally conditioned to not believing it or not even being affected by things unless there are pictures. Do you remember when we first went to Somalia? George H. W. Bush sent some food with troops over there. You know why we did that? I mean, the Somalis had been suffering at the hands of warlords for, gosh, decades. These are a combination at the time communists. Haile-Selassie in Ethiopia, that was a communist inspired famine against his own people. The Somali war leaders had connections to Al-Qaeda as we now know, and yet we had heard of all the starving and the suffering. We didn't care anything about it. It just didn't have the same impact, was in the New York Times every day, people remember reading about it, but when the New York Times published a single photo of a young Somali child with flies buzzing about his head, that was it.
Everybody said (crying), "We've got to do something! Look at that! It's horrible! Do something!" So Bush said, "Okay, going to do something." So we sent some food over there, and used the military to distribute the food -- and then all hell broke loose because it wasn't what we thought. It was an Al-Qaeda operation, a base camp, and here's comes the U.S. military, and what are we trying to do? We're trying to take the food away from the warlord, in this case Mohammed Farrah Aideed, who was using it as all of these type people do to control their populations, and all of a sudden we're over there and we find ourselves in the midst of a military mission when the American people are demanding a humanitarian mission, and we know what happened; led to Black Hawk Down and all that because we weren't prepared to go for military. We were using armed forces to distribute food. Yip yip yip yip yahoo.
So one picture caused this. These arrests of these guards were in March. News accounts of this story began to be published in January. Nobody cared! It had no impact on anybody, not very many people. This actually is old news but the pictures make it now and present and, "Oh, it's just horrible! Why, we've got to do something about this!" All right. Since that is the case, and I understand people's emotions on this as well as anybody, but let's add something to this just for a little context. I think this is going to bother some of you, so you may not want to listen to this. This is not obscene. It is, maybe, shocking because it's going to conjure images in your mind, which is what I intend to do. Because I'm trying to make a point here, and I can't show you pictures. The kind I want to show you, they don't exist. This is my point. So I'm going to try to paint them for you so that you can visualize them.
I'll give you five. Really, if you're going to be -- if this issue has already got you bothered, and you're somebody that think that I'm not appropriately outraged enough, then this isn't going to help you. You might want to go listen somewhere else. Because what I struggle to do here, what I'm reminded of: We are in a war, folks. This is not just fun and games, and it's not just normal, everyday crime and police actions that occur in this country. If this were police brutality, it would be one thing, but we're in the midst of a war and these people are all being fired up. We have people dying over in that country. The kind of people in those jails are the ones doing the killing, and I just think that maybe, along with the outrage that I'm not going to try to talk anybody out of, might make a little effort to understand that a picture doesn't tell the whole story.
No series of pictures can ever tell the whole story because there's a context that's absent, and when these pictures have been used as the latest political weapon against George W. Bush, then you have a little context to understand why these things keep popping up and why they won't go away. But before these pictures came out, the emotion that those of you have aimed at these pictures didn't exist, did it? You would read about this and feel very little emotion. See the pictures and all of a sudden outrage takes over. All right, let's talk about some other pictures we haven't seen. Ready? If you're not ready for this I'll give you five seconds, you can go listen somewhere else, come back in a couple of minutes. Five, four, three, two, one.
It's a matter of policy: United States government will not allow pictures of dead Americans. So you haven't seen what has been done to Americans in Iraq. You haven't seen what the people who jumped off the top of the World Trade Center looked like when they hit the ground because that's all they could do to avoid a fiery death, with jets coming at 'em and fire from underneath overtaking them. We haven't seen any of the pictures of anything done to Americans. We haven't seen what was done to Pat Tillman. We don't know. We can only imagine. We haven't seen what's been done to American sailors on the USS Cole. We haven't seen what happened to the Americans in the Khobar Towers. We haven't seen pictures of what's happened to Americans in any of these other terrorist attacks. We haven't seen it.
It is my contention, and I'm not suggesting -- no, no, don't misunderstand. I'm not suggesting we should. It's not the point. I'm only trying to get you to think outside the box on this stuff, and not fall prey to the conventional wisdom, not fall prey to this mass, lemming-type motion that takes running over the cliff and outrage and anger. I want you to try to imagine something and keep in mind what these pictures are. These are pictures of humiliation of people. These are pictures of intimidation of people. They're not pictures of violence. They're not pictures of death.
They are not pictures of horror. I want you to try to imagine what some Americans who have died at the hands of these kinds of people look like. I want you to try to imagine those pictures, and having those pictures in your mind, then look at what they're showing us out of this prison, and try to imagine if you would have any... I'm not going to bother to describe pictures. That's not the point. I'm not trying to be gory. I'll let you do that yourself. I'll guarantee you, though, you haven't seen. It's nothing like what movies or TV shows you, but that's something to me that is sorely missing in all this that would help the context. Now, don't misunderstand. I am not suggesting that if you were able to have seen some pictures of Americans who have been killed or tortured, genuinely tortured -- don't think it's not happening by these people -- to saying that you would tolerate this out of a sense of revenge. "Oh, yeah..."
I am saying you would be able to have a different perspective about this and maybe be a little more understanding that this is not downtown Mayberry where this is happening, and it's not Barney Fife getting involved here with Otis the Drunk over there in the jail cell. This is war. It has been declared on us, and the more we hamstring the people who have volunteered to save us, protect us, the more we encumber them and make them doubt their actions and make them doubt themselves, the more risky the situation is, not only for them but for us as well. [Repeating Gertz:] "Nearly all 8,080 prisoners being held by U.S. authorities in Iraq are considered security threats: insurgents linked to attacks on coalition forces, and terrorists and former officials of Saddam Hussein's regime suspected of having useful intelligence, military officials say."
RUSH: Hello, Joe, glad you called. Nice to have you with us.
CALLER: Thank you, Rush. Good to be listening to you. I've got a comment here to make on the way these soldiers have been treating the Iraqi prisoners. It sounds to me like you're sort of trying to compare their treatment of the Iraqi prisoners with the treatment of the Iraqis with some Americans, which I don't think is necessarily the case. Obviously some of these atrocities committed on American soldiers are probably unimaginable, but I think we have to conduct ourselves to a higher standard. We're supposed to be the beacon of how we're supposed to treat prisoners there or combatants, rather than being the... I'm not being articulate here. Forgive me. I just think it's absolutely disgusting and terribly counterproductive what these U.S. soldiers have done. It's damaging to our, to the strategery of our campaign there to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people and to see our best and brightest and bravest people acting like this, I think is absolutely disgraceful.
RUSH: Well, I'm not ready to admit yet. You could be right, but I am not ready to admit yet that what we're doing to these people is harming us with the Iraqi population at large. My guess is the Iraqi population at large, having lived under this kind of regime for 30 years, it may be happy to see this happening to some of the people who were doing it to them. You know, we just don't know yet. We don't, we're not -- and I understand what you're saying. "We have a higher standard, and we can't descend in battle to the depths of the enemy" and this sort of thing, and that's (the point). I don't think we have.
CALLER: Well, I sort of disagree, because the unfortunate part of human nature is that good news is a lot more compelling to many people. Rather, let me correct myself: Bad news is more compelling than good news, and it just looks to me like we have lobbed a softball over the middle of the plate to let the opinion leaders -- or some of the opinion leaders in Iraq or some of these other Arab states -- to seize upon the notion that U.S. is this evil juggernaut that's come in to destroy the cultures of the Middle East or whatever other kind of propaganda they want to disseminate, and I just think it's --
RUSH: I don't think that's the case. I don't. Look, we were hated by the people who launched the attacks on Americans for 15 years long before we did anything like this. Let me tell you something. We are hated long before this happened. We are hated for the way we live and the way we believe.
CALLER: I understand that. I agree with that, but I just don't --
RUSH: Okay. All I'm asking for is a little perspective and context in this. You know, this is why I read the section out of this book. This isn't "torture." This isn't close to real torture.
CALLER: I'm not saying it is. It certainly is not. The American public has definitely been spared images of what's been happening to the Americans; but, you know, two wrongs don't make a right. Like President Bush said [speaking about preventing terrorist attacks, not soldier's conduct], "We have to be right a hundred percent of the time," and we simply can't afford this kind of imagery, even if it's one isolated case because that's unfortunately what's going to make the headlines. I'm just disgusted that these soldiers have engaged in this sort of thing and taking pictures of it while they're smiling. What were they thinking? What were they thinking?
RUSH: That's what I asked yesterday. There's a little stupidity here that's gone on. I still maintain we don't know the whole story yet, and if you want to consider me an apologist for these soldiers, go ahead. You know, I am not going to hide behind the fact, and I'm not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change my attitude about how much respect I have for these people and for what they do and what they go through. If they need an apologist, I'm going to be their apologist. If they need some support, they're going to get it from me. I am not going to join the chorus of people who aren't even thinking, who are just reacting with emotions, that are being fed by people trying to generate those emotions. I'm going to resist it because there's something about this still that doesn't wash with me.
But even if this is legitimate, I do not think that this is representative of my country. But if this is what it takes to beat these people (bangs table) then by God that's what it takes -- and that's what it comes down to, to me (bangs table). This is not an ordinary day in the United States of America. These people don't have that freedom yet. They don't have that opportunity, the Americans over there. They're being shot at; they're being gunned down; they're being blown up when they're walking old people across the street. They're being run down by renegades in cars when they're not shooting or provoking anybody. There's a real problem here, I think, and I've addressed this in a number of different ways. I'm not sure even yet that enough Americans just know, have a firm understanding of what is at stake here.
This has been going on for 15 years. It's only now that we have finally decided to step up to the plate, try to do something about it. This pales in comparison to what happens in previous world wars -- World War I, World War II. I'm going to say this again, folks: John Kerry has admitted to doing far worse than this and was made a "hero" in this country after doing it. John Kerry can come back from Vietnam -- and I've got the tape here to play for you -- and he can talk about blowing up villages and murdering innocent people, and he can talk about blaming other soldiers for it, and he came back and he was a hero for it. Now, he came back, he was made a hero for it because he condemned it, but he didn't condemn it when he was doing it.
He didn't condemn other people for doing it when he supposedly saw it. This has got to be kept in perspective. There has to be some understanding of what's going on. There is some brilliant strategery that's taken place here. It's well known we can't fight terrorists all over the world. Guess where we're fighting them? We're fighting them in Iraq. They're coming from all over the world to get in on this action. The people over there know it, and they know what they face. Eight thousand of these people in jail, and they're all insurgents, and they all have intelligence? (sigh) I'm not going to abandon the people in uniform here, en masse, simply because we've got an example or two or three of some that might have gone overboard on an occasional or now, but when have you not? When have any of you not done anything that had it been on film or tape, would not have embarrassed the hell out of you? When? Name me one time.
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2004-05-29 06:43 | User Profile
While the miscegenatrix Jessica Lynch made for a good poster girl for Freepers and Feminists alike, an even better choice for a "GI Jane" movie would be the white trash bitch Lynddie England (seen in the photos tormenting naked Iraqi prisoners). How much would you like to bet that sadistic piece of trailer trash is considered a heroine by Jim Rabinssohn's cyber-kibbutzniks?
"White trash?" "Trailer Trash?" :oh:
Hmm ... the Jews, college-edumakated non-Whites (let's be honest -- a college education really means nothing anymore), and elitist, de-racinated, White liberals would be proud. Actually, many Fweepers have denounced the abuse at Abu Ghraib for sabotaging their pwecious war effort.
I blame Wolfiwitz, Perle, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the two AAAs (Affirmative Action Apes) Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice for the War on Iraq, and for anything and everything that occurs there. The blood is on their hands.
Besides, I'm much more concerned about the torture of American White men sent to prison for "hate crimes."
2004-05-29 06:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kurt]I blame Wolfiwitz, Perle, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the two AAAs (Affirmative Action Apes) Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice for the War on Iraq, and for anything and everything that occurs there. The blood is on their hands.[/QUOTE] What about the legions of evangelical "Christians" who have been screaming for war from the very beginning?
2004-05-29 07:05 | User Profile
What about the legions of evangelical "Christians" who have been screaming for war from the very beginning?
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2004-05-29 18:45 | User Profile
A very high ratio of females at FR too, I'd bet.
2004-05-31 11:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Jewish Bolsheviks recruited the dregs of (gentile) Russian society to do their dirty work - the criminal classes, the unemployed, and the unemployable made up the cannon fodder who exterminated the indepedent farmers, as well as the middle and upper classes of Russian society. Today, the heirs to Judaeo-Bolshevism (the neocons) recruit the dregs of white American society to do the footwork, be it by bellowing "Nook them Ayrabs" at Free Republic or torturing Iraqi civilians in Abu Gahraib.
It may come as news to you, but some whites really are trash. Perusing the posts at Free Republic should convince you of that (believe it or not, not every idiot over there is a Jew in disguise).[/QUOTE] One of the most effective means of brainwashing the white trash is TV. In the last four decades, we have had a systematic TV campaign that Goebbels would be in awe of. Sit for 10 minutes watching Oprah Winfrey (yuck!) and youll see where this is going.